Why are AI-enabled attacks, economic crises, supply chain shocks and disinformation rising above more conventional threats in public concern?

Why do many Australians want more transparency and information from trusted agencies, while also feeling overwhelmed by the information environment?

Why do so few Australians think the country is fully prepared for major threats, and what does that preparedness gap mean for government and industry?

In this episode, Rory Medcalf, Tom Rogers and Tim Wilford join Sally Bulkeley to discuss the findings of NSC’s Community Consultations Report – Australia's first comprehensive research report, examining Australian attitudes to national security, and perceptions of risk and resilience.

Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of the ANU National Security College. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia. 

Tom Rogers is the former Australian Electoral Commissioner and a Distinguished Advisor at NSC.

Tim Wilford is Director, Community Consultations at NSC.

Sally Bulkeley is Deputy Head of College at NSC.

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Show notes

·     NSC academic programs – find out more 

·     Community Consultations Findings Report

·     Engagement Report

·     First Nations Report

·     The security gap Australia can’t afford to ignore

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Can Iran’s protesters realistically leverage the current crisis for meaningful political change, or has the aerial campaign by US and Israel undermined their momentum?

How can Australia and other US allies balance alliance commitments with national interests in this conflict?

In this episode, Beth Sanner and Dr Rodger Shanahan join Justin Burke to discuss the drivers of the Iran war, and examine the broader implications for regional and global security.

Beth Sanner is a Distinguished Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). She is the former US Deputy Director of National Intelligence, a 35-year intelligence veteran, and now the Director of Geopolitics and Strategy for International Capital Strategies.

Dr Rodger Shanahan is a former Army officer with a PhD in Arab and Islamic studies. He has previously held appointments at NSC and the Lowy Institute, with operational and diplomatic experience in the Middle East.

Justin Burke is Senior Policy Advisor at NSC.

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·     NSC academic programs – find out more

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What is the current state of the Transatlantic Alliance?

What are the implications of cross-theatre linkages for the idea that Europe and the Indo-Pacific are separate security arenas?

With rising tensions in the Middle East, what factors will most strongly influence whether tensions between the US and Iran escalate into a broader regional conflict?

Are there any potentially optimistic geopolitical signals that deserve amplification?

In this episode, Justin Burke speaks with Euan Graham and Gorana Grgić to discuss the through lines on the surprising geopolitical events that ushered in 2026, imagining a world without the US at its center.

Dr Gorana Grgić is Head of the Global Security team at the ETH Zurich’s Center for Security Studies and holds senior affiliations in Australia and the US. Her research interests include US and EU foreign policy and NATO.

Dr Euan Graham is an Expert Associate at the ANU National Security College. He has extensive experience as a commentator, policy analyst and former practitioner specializing in Indo-Pacific security.

Justin Burke is a Senior Policy Advisor at the ANU National Security College.

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·     NSC academic programs – find out more

·     The Case for a Pacific Defense Pact: America Needs a New Asian Alliance to Counter China

·     Asia After America | Foreign Affairs

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How can new forms of border governance, such as the use of AI and advanced data analytics, be introduced without undermining public trust?

What should the border look like for industry, travellers, the pubic, international partners and those interested in conducting trade with Australia? 

In this episode, Mike Outram joins Sally Bulkeley to discuss the need for Australia to reconceptualise its borders as strategic assets, the threats posed by transnational crime, and the economic benefits of modern border management.

Sally Bulkeley is Deputy Head of the ANU National Security College (NSC).

Mike Outram APM is a Distinguished Advisor at NSC. He was Commissioner of the Australian Border Force from 2018 to 2024. He has served as a law enforcement officer for over 30 years.

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Show notes 

• Securing our Future conference – Register now
• NSC academic programs – find out more 
• Beyond the checkpoint: managing Australia’s border as a strategic economic and national security asset
• ACIC CEO ‘opens the books’ on serious and organised crime | National Security College 

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What are the linkages between state actors and transnational and serious organised crime in Australia?

What is the role of ACIC and other intelligence organisations in combating transnational crime? How does ACIC work with international partners?

In this episode, Heather Cook joins Rory Medcalf to discuss the evolving landscape of transnational crime and its implications for national security in Australia.

Heather Cook is Chief Executive Officer of the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission and Director of the Australian Institute of Criminology. She is a career intelligence professional with more than 33 years' experience.

Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of the ANU National Security College. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia.

Show notes:

• NSC academic programs – find out more
• ACIC CEO ‘opens the books’ on serious and organised crime | National Security College
• Beyond the checkpoint: managing Australia’s border as a strategic economic and national security asset by Mike Outram
• Impact of organised crime on Australia laid bare in new report - ABC listen

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What is the strategic logic behind Australia’s expanding network of Pacific partnerships and treaties?

What are the details of the reforms to defence acquisition and how will this impact the future of Australia’s defence industry?

In this episode, Pat Conroy joins Rory Medcalf to discuss Australia’s strategic outlook, defence reform, regional engagement and the future of defence acquisition.

The Hon Pat Conroy MP is the Minister for Defence Industry, Minister for Pacific Island Affairs, and the Federal Member for Shortland.

Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of the ANU National Security College. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia. 

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Show Notes

·     NSC academic programs – find out more

·     Press Conference, Parliament House | Defence Ministers

·     Government unveils Department of Defence overhaul amid delays and cost blowouts - ABC News

·     Papua New Guinea – Australia Mutual Defence Treaty

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How do intergenerational dynamics and differing interactions with technology, social media and AI impact security and resilience?

What are the security issues that young Australians care about and how do these differ from the concerns of older Australians?

In this episode Sally Bulkeley is joined by Afeeya Akhand and Victoria Cooper to discuss intergenerational security and the differing perspectives across age demographics in Australia.

Afeeya Akhand is an Emerging Associate with the ANU National Security College (NSC). Her research focuses on South Korean foreign policy, Indo-Pacific security, inclusion and social cohesion.

Victoria Cooper is a Senior Analyst at the Development Intelligence Lab and focused on foreign policy and the interaction of socio-political trends, development and security. She is also an Emerging Associate with NSC.

Sally Bulkeley is Deputy Head of College at NSC.

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• NSC academic programs – find out more 
• Dinner Table Politics | Victoria Cooper | Substack
• Recent stabbings highlight danger of online misinformation | Afeeya Akhand | The Strategist

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Does the appointment of a naval officer as the Chief of the Defence Force signal a shift in focus to the maritime domain? 

What does a career in the Australian Defence Force mean in the 21st century? 

In this episode, Admiral David Johnston joins Rory Medcalf to discuss the insights he has gained through his career in the Royal Australian Navy, and how he sees the future of Australia’s defence. 

Admiral David Johnston AC RAN was appointed Chief of the Defence Force on 10 July 2024. He has extensive experience across a range of leadership, maritime and joint operations, training and capability management appointments in Australia and overseas. 

Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of NSC. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia. 

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• NSC academic programs – find out more 
• CDF Speaking at the ASPI 2025 Defence Conference: National preparedness and national support for defence 
• CDF Podcast on Australia’s defence strategy in the indo-pacific  

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How does AGO contribute to the broader remit of Australian statecraft, the work done by other NIC agencies, and the Five Eyes partnership? 

What makes innovation in the geospatial intelligence space key to building resilience? 

In this episode Kathryn McMullan joins Sally Bulkeley to discuss the importance of geospatial intelligence, how it contributes to statecraft, and how the AGO works with other partners to enhance national security and resilience. 

Kathryn McMullan is the Director of AGO. 

Sally Bulkeley is Deputy Head of the ANU National Security College. 

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AGO | National Intelligence Community 

Five Eyes wide shut: now is the wrong time to pause in shaping Australia’s intelligence agencies

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Why is it important to preserve public trust and participation in the electoral process and what are some of the challenges to this? 

Apart from voting, what are some other ways that Australians can engage in the democratic process? 

What challenges do big tech companies, mis- and disinformation, and AI present in this digital age? 

In this episode Tom Rogers joins Tim Wilford to discuss the importance of democratic resilience in Australia, the role of civic engagement, and the challenges posed by misinformation in the digital age. 

Tom Rogers AO is a former Australian Electoral Commissioner and a Distinguished Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). He is a member of the Advisory Committee for NSC’s Community Consultation initiative. 

Tim Wilford is Director of NSC’s Community Consultation Initiative. 

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Show Notes 

• NSC academic programs – find out more  
• NSC’s Community Consultations initiative 
• Judith Brett's book: From Secret Ballot to Democracy Sausage 

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How are partnerships between China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea reshaping the global balance of power? 

How do Australia and other US partners contribute to strengthening deterrence and industrial resilience? 

What are the key supply chain vulnerabilities we might face in a protracted conflict, and how can Australia and its partners mitigate them? 

In this episode, Seth Jones joins David Andrews to discuss the importance of alliances, defence industry coordination, and readiness to build deterrence across multiple theatres. 

Dr Seth G Jones is Senior Vice President and Director of the International Security Program at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington DC. 

David Andrews is Senior Manager, Policy and Engagement at the ANU National Security College. 

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• NSC academic programs – find out more 
• Seth’s book – The American Edge: The Military Tech Nexus and the Sources of Great Power Dominance 
• THAAD – The Terminal High Altitude Area Defense System 

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What is the Finnish model of ‘Comprehensive Security’, and how does it work in practice? 

How does Finland communicate openly with the public about national security risks without fuelling alarm or polarisation? 

What lessons can Australia learn from Finland's societal-led approach to preparedness? 

In this episode, Pasi Rajala joins Rory Medcalf to discuss the evolving geopolitical landscape, the importance of international cooperation among democracies, and Finland's unique approach to security and resilience. 

Pasi Rajala is the State Secretary to Finland's Minister for Foreign Affairs and Minister of Defence.  

Professor Rory Medcalf AM FAIIA is Head of the ANU National Security College. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia. 

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Show notes 

• NSC academic programs – find out more  
• North star: why Australia should look to Finland on resilience and preparedness 

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How is the counterterrorism response evolving in response to today’s rapidly shifting global landscape?  

How has Trump’s ‘America-First’ policy impacted the US’ relationship with the Five Eyes partners in the counterterrorism space?  

What can we do at a societal and community level to counter violent extremism? 

In this episode, Nick Rasmussen joins Sharryn Parker to discuss the evolving landscape of terrorism and counterterrorism, focusing on the complexities introduced by technology, the shifting priorities in national security, and the importance of community resilience. 

Nick Rasmussen is Senior Advisor for National Security and Leadership Programs at the McCain Institute. He is also a Distinguished Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

Sharryn Parker is Senior Policy Advisor at NSC, on secondment from the Department of Defence. 

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Show notes 

• NSC academic programs – find out more 

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Is Indonesia slowly moving from being ‘non-aligned’ to being ‘multi-aligned’? 

How have recent US foreign and domestic policies affected its relationship with Indonesia? 

How can Australia and Indonesia strengthen their relationship and enhance cooperation in the Indo-Pacific? 

In this episode, Natalie Sambhi and Yohanes Sulaiman join David Andrews to explore Indonesia's evolving role as a strategic actor in the Indo-Pacific and its relationship with major players in the region.

Dr Natalie Sambhi is Founder and Executive Director, Verve Research. She is also a Senior Policy Fellow with the Asia Society Australia. 

Dr Yohanes Sulaiman is an Associate Professor of International Relations at Universitas Jenderal Achmad Yani in Indonesia. He is also the Executive Editor of the Journal of Global Strategic Studies. 

David Andrews is Senior Manager, Policy & Engagement at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

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Show notes 

• NSC academic programs – find out more 

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What is ‘strategic substitution,’ and how has China used it to craft its unique approach to deterrence?

How does the ‘Golden Dome’ proposed by the US fit into today’s debates on missile defence and counter-space capabilities?

Does Australia need to do more to close the capability gap in relation to China’s recent modernisation?

In this episode, Fiona Cunningham and Aaron Bateman join David Andrews to explore the evolution of strategic deterrence from the Cold War to contemporary times, with a focus on nuclear weapons, space capabilities and alternative approaches.

Dr Aaron Bateman is Assistant Professor of History and International Affairs at George Washington University.

Dr Fiona Cunningham is Assistant Professor of Political Science at the University of Pennsylvania. She is also an Expert Associate at the ANU National Security College (NSC).

David Andrews is Senior Manager, Policy & Engagement at NSC.

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·        NSC academic programs – find out more

·        Under the Nuclear Shadow: China’s Information-Age Weapons in International Security by Fiona Cunningham

·        Weapons in Space: Technology, Politics, and the Rise and Fall of the Strategic Defense Initiative by Aaron Bateman

·        Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth Statement on Golden Dome for America

·        THAAD – The Terminal High Altitude Area Defense System

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How is this relationship playing out in relation to competing spheres of influence in Central Asia?

What are the key points of friction in the China-Russia partnership?

In this episode, Dilnoza Ubaydullaeva and Graham Meehan join Sally Bulkeley to delve into the complex dynamics of the China-Russia relationship, exploring the alignment and divergence of their strategic interests.

Dr Dilnoza Ubaydullaeva is a Lecturer at the ANU National Security College (NSC).

Graham Meehan is a former diplomat, including having served overseas as the Australian Ambassador to Russia and Deputy Head of Mission in Beijing.

Sally Bulkeley is Deputy Head of College at NSC, on secondment from the Department of Defence. 

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Show notes 

• NSC academic programs – find out more 

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From China's perspective, how does its relationship with Australia fit into its current worldview? And how has US policy under Trump impacted that relationship? 

What does the future hold for the Australia-China relationship, given China’s increasingly assertive foreign and strategic policies? 

In this episode, Rowan Callick and Will Glasgow join Susan Dietz to unpack PM Anthony Albanese’s recent visit to China and the complexities of navigating the Australia–China relationship.

Rowan Callick OBE is an Expert Associate at the ANU National Security College (NSC). He is an experienced journalist with extensive China and other Indo-Pacific expertise. 

Will Glasgow is The Australian’s North Asia Correspondent, now based in Beijing. He has lived and reported from Beijing and Taipei since 2020. 

Susan Dietz is Senior Executive Advisor, China at NSC. 

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• NSC academic programs – study with us 

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Why is ASEAN a key player in preventive diplomacy in the Indo-Pacific region?

What challenges are faced in trying to prevent conflict in the region? And what role does Australia play?

In this episode, Bec Strating, Huong Le Thu and Collin Koh join Rory Medcalf to delve into the complexities of conflict prevention in the Indo-Pacific region, emphasising the role of ASEAN, Australia and other partners.

Rebecca (Bec) Strating FAIIA is the Director of La Trobe Asia and Professor of International Relations at La Trobe University. She is also an Expert Associate at the ANU National Security College (NSC).

Dr Huong Le Thu is Deputy Director of Asia at the International Crisis Group – a conflict prevention organisation. She is also an Expert Associate at NSC.

Dr Collin Koh is Senior Fellow at the Institute of Defence and Strategic Studies and an Expert Associate at NSC.

Professor Rory Medcalf AM FAIIA is Head of NSC. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia.

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Show notes

·      NSC academic programs – study with us

·      Preventing conflict in our region: options for Australian statecraft

·      ASEAN Community Vision 2045

·      COLREGS

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Is this just a temporary wave of tension in the bilateral relationship, or might it signal a broader, long-term shift? 

Are the current AUKUS debates in Australia cutting through in the US? 

In this episode, John Blaxland joins David Andrews to discuss Australia’s relationship with the US, and why he believes we’re well placed to withstand the instabilities of Trump’s second term in office. 

John Blaxland is Director of the North America Liaison Office and Professor of International Security and Intelligence Studies at The Australian National University. 

David Andrews is Senior Manager, Policy & Engagement at the ANU National Security College

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Show notes 

• Nuclear Matters podcast 
• The Secret Cold War: The Official History of ASIO, 1975-1989 by John Blaxland and Rhys Crawley 
• Australia’s American Alliance edited by Peter J Dean, Stephan Frühling & Brendan Taylor 
• More from the National Security Podcast on this topic: Security in transition: Trump’s America, alliances, and global stability 

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How was the Indo-Pacific concept born, and how has it evolved? 

What are the biggest threats facing Australia right now? 

In this episode, Rory Medcalf joins David Andrews to look back on the past decade in which he has served as Head of the ANU National Security College (NSC). They discuss the evolution of global threats over this period and how NSC has shifted its work to respond. 

Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of NSC. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia.  

David Andrews is Senior Manager, Policy & Engagement at NSC 

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Show notes 

• Nuclear Matters podcast 
• ANU National Security College initiatives 
• NSC Community Consultations 
• Contest for the Indo-Pacific: Why China Won’t Map the Future 
• Senator the Hon Marise Payne, then Minister for Foreign Affairs, and Senator the Hon Penny Wong, then Shadow Minister for Foreign Affairs launch Contest for the Indo-Pacific 
• Professor Medcalf’s first speech at NSC, March 2015 
• Speech: Mapping our Indo-Pacific future, June 2018 
• Speech: Making sense of national security, December 2022 
• Speech: Australian resilience and preparedness in the new world disorder, May 2025 

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How is Trump reshaping the US's leadership in nuclear non-proliferation?

Could shifting international security dynamics encourage countries like South Korea or Japan to pursue nuclear weapons programs?

In this episode, Michael Cohen and Maria Rost Rublee join David Andrews to discuss how recent strikes on Iran have brought nuclear non-proliferation back to the forefront of international policy debates.

Michael Cohen is Associate Professor and Academic Director at the ANU National Security College (NSC)

Maria Rost Rublee is Professor of International Relations at the University of Melbourne and an Executive Committee member of Women in Nuclear-Australia

David Andrews is Senior Manager, Policy & Engagement at NSC

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• Nuclear Matters podcast
• Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT)
• Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons (TPNW)
• International Atomic Energy Agency
• Nuclear Suppliers Group

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How can Australia adapt to deal with these challenges? What lessons can we learn from incidents around the world?

What does the future look like if we don't adapt to this changing environment?

In this episode, Jodie Wrigley, Anthony Bradstreet, and Allison Curtis join David Andrews to discuss the evolving challenges posed by mis- and disinformation in crisis response scenarios.

Jodie Wrigley is Partner and Head of Social Change at SenateSHJ.

Anthony Bradstreet is the Chief Customer Officer at Safe365 Global.

Allison Curtis is the Deputy Executive Director of the Strong Cities Network.

David Andrews is Senior Manager, Policy & Engagement at the ANU National Security College. 

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Show notes 

• Nuclear Matters podcast
• Community Consultations

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What were the motivations behind the recent US and Israeli attacks on Iran? Was it preventive or pre-emptive action?

Is regime change in Iran a realistic objective by Israel/US?

Could Australia be asked to support future US military or strategic actions in the region?

In this episode, Jessie Moritz and Ian Parmeter join David Andrews in discussion about the unfolding conflicts in the Middle East and their consequences for the future of regional and global security. 

Dr Jessie Moritz is a Senior Lecturer at the ANU Centre for Arabic and Islamic Studies.

Ian Parmeter is a research scholar and PhD candidate at the ANU Centre for Arab and Islamic Studies.

David Andrews is the Senior Manager, Policy & Engagement at the ANU National Security College.  

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Show notes 

• NSC academic programs – find out more   
• Ian Parmeter: The US has entered the Israel-Iran war. Here are 3 scenarios for what might happen next
• Ian Parmeter: Netanyahu has two war aims: destroying Iran’s nuclear program and regime change. Are either achievable?
• Jessie Moritz: A shaky ceasefire; where now for Iran's leadership? And Stan Grant's new life on country
• Jessie Moritz: Australia's Iran fallout warning despite uneasy truce
• Abraham Accords
• USAID
• UNRWA – United Nations Relief Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East
• JCPOA – Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action

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How can New Zealand and Australia strengthen their alliance to face shared security challenges, amidst US uncertainty and strategic competition with China?  

How have recent Chinese activities in the Tasman Sea and the wider Pacific been viewed in New Zealand compared to Australia? What impact are these activities having on New Zealanders’ perceptions of China?  

In this episode, David Capie and Nicholas Khoo join David Andrews to unpack New Zealand’s shifting foreign and defence policy, its approach to China, AUKUS, and its relationship with Australia. 

Professor David Capie is Director of the Centre for Strategic Studies and Professor of International Relations at Victoria University of Wellington. 

Dr Nicholas Khoo is an Associate Professor of International Politics at the University of Otago. 

David Andrews is Senior Manager, Policy & Engagement at the ANU National Security College. 

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Show notes 

• NSC academic programs – find out more 
• NZ 2025 Defence Capability Plan 
• New Zealand's National Security Strategy 
• FPDA – Five Power Defence Arrangements 
• CPTPP – The Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership 

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How is Canada adapting its defence capabilities to meet the demands of a rapidly changing geopolitical and technological landscape? 

What lessons has Canada drawn from the war in Ukraine, and how are these shaping the future of its armed forces and military operations? 

In this episode, General Jennie Carignan joins Sally Bulkeley to discuss Canada’s evolving defence posture amid a shifting strategic landscape, with a focus on interoperability with partners like Australia, its Indo-Pacific commitments, and lessons drawn from the war in Ukraine. 

General M.A. Jennie Carignan, CMM, MSC, MSM, CD is Canada’s Chief of the Defence Staff.  

Sally Bulkeley is Deputy Head of College at the ANU National Security College, on secondment from the Department of Defence. 

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Show notes 

• NSC academic programs – find out more 
• Canada boosts defence spending to 2 per cent of GDP amid growing threats 
• Australia's JORN defence radar is being bought by Canada, the decision is part of a wider shift 
• North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) 

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How can AI governance in developing nations be supported as part of regional aid and security agendas?

What challenges does Australia face in regulating AI without a national bill of rights or federal human rights charter?

Should governments mandate the inclusion of human oversight in all AI-powered decisions?

In this episode, Sarah Vallee and Maria O’Sullivan join David Andrews to talk about how AI is impacting national security, with a focus on AI governance models and mass-surveillance.

Maria O’Sullivan is an Associate Professor at Deakin Law School. She's a member of the Deakin Cyber Research and Innovation Centre.

Sarah Vallee is a specialist in AI Policy and Governance. She's a Fellow at the UTS Human Technology Institute, sponsored by the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

David Andrews is Senior Manager, Policy & Engagement at the ANU National Security College. 

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Show notes  

• NSC academic programs – find out more  
• Article 8: respect for your private and family life

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Can Australia strike a sustainable balance between its alliance with the United States and its complex relationship with China? Is the future of the AUKUS agreement secure? 

What more can the government do to strengthen Australia’s national security through improved preparedness and resilience? 

In this episode, David Andrews, Will Leben and Bec Strating join Sally Bulkeley to discuss the outcomes of the 2025 Australian Federal Election, what’s in store of the re-elected Albanese Government and the implications for our national security agenda. 

William Leben is Senior Analyst at The Development Lab and an Expert Associate at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

Professor Bec Strating is the Director of La Trobe Asia and a Professor of International Relations at La Trobe University. She is also an Expert Associate at NSC. 

David Andrews is Senior Manager, Policy & Engagement at NSC. 

Sally Bulkeley is Deputy Head of College at NSC, on secondment from the Department of Defence. 

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Show notes

• NSC academic programs – find out more 
• Pulse Check x Australia's Agenda 
• Restoring America’s maritime dominance 
• Asia Rising podcast 

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How is the European defence industry responding to the war in Ukraine and rising geopolitical uncertainty? 

Are the Euro-Atlantic and Indo-Pacific theatres now fully integrated in an era of global strategic competition?

In this episode, Thorsten Benner and Bruno Tertrais join Rory Medcalf to explore the evolving landscape of European security in the context of global challenges, particularly the impact of the Trump administration, the China-Russia dynamic, and the potential responses of countries like France and Germany.

Thorsten Benner is Co-founder and Director of the Global Public Policy Institute (GPPi) in Berlin.

Bruno Tertrais is Deputy Director of the Fondation pour la recherche stratégique (FRS), a leading French think-tank on international security issues.

Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of the ANU National Security College. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia. 

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Show notes 

·      NSC academic programs – find out more

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Can domestic violence act as a ‘comorbidity’ for extremism and radicalisation? 

Should the Australian Government consider following the lead of other countries and classifying misogyny as a form of extremism? 

In this episode, Elise Stephenson and Pascale Taplin join Danielle Ireland-Piper to discuss the complex relationship between extremism, gender and national security.

Dr Elise Stephenson is the Deputy Director of the Global Institute for Women’s Leadership at ANU and Fellow at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

Pascal Taplin is an anthropologist and PhD candidate at NSC. 

Associate Professor Danielle-Ireland Piper is Academic Director at NSC. 

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Show notes  

• NSC academic programs – find out more 
• Misogyny to be treated as extremism by UK government 
• From home to horror: the association between domestic violence and terrorism 
• See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill – book 
• See What You Made Me Do – miniseries, documentary 
• National Security Law in Australia – chapter 8 Gender and National Security by Susan Harris Rimmer & Elise Stephenson 

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How does Taiwan balance its status as a global tech giant with its regional security vulnerabilities?

In what ways are Australia’s interests intertwined with the security and resilience of Taiwan? 

In this episode, Ketty Chen and Mark Harrison join Susan Dietz to discuss Taiwan's national security challenges, focusing on the influence of China, the complexities of Taiwan's domestic politics, and the implications of its role in the global tech supply chain.

Dr Ketty Chen is Advisor for the National Bureau of Asian Research and an Expert Associate at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

Dr Mark Harrison is Senior Lecturer in Chinese Studies in the School of Social Sciences at the University of Tasmania and an Expert Associate at NSC. 

Susan Dietz is Senior Executive Advisor, China at NSC. 

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Show notes 

• NSC academic programs – find out more.  
• Revolutionary Taiwan: Making Nationhood in a Changing World Order 
• President Lai introduced 17 major strategies to respond to five major national security and united front threats faced by Taiwan 
• Disinformation in Taiwan – report 

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How might China seek to take advantage of recent actions by the Trump Administration that have destabilised the international order?

How should Australia respond to shifting US-China dynamics in the Indo-Pacific?

In this episode, Chris Buckley joins Susan Dietz to discuss the evolving relationship between China and the US, including the implications for economic and bilateral ties, and the wider geopolitical dynamics at play in the Indo-Pacific region.

Chris Buckley is the chief China correspondent for The New York Times. He reports on China and Taiwan from Taipei, and focuses on politics, social change, and security and military issues.

Susan Dietz is Senior Executive Advisor, China at the ANU National Security College.

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Show notes 

·      NSC academic programs – find out more.

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How can Australia build an intelligence workforce with a diverse range of skills, interests and backgrounds, and reflective of our society?  

How should Australia balance its intelligence independence with alliance integration? 

In this episode Chris Taylor and Miah Hammond-Errey join Rory Medcalf to delve into the 2024 Independent Intelligence Review, discussing the role of intelligence in an uncertain world, the relationship between intelligence and policy, and the impact of technology on intelligence. 

Chris Taylor is Head of the Statecraft & Intelligence Program at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute. 

Dr Miah Hammond-Errey is the founding CEO of Strat Futures Pty Limited and host of the Technology & Security podcast. 

Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of the ANU National Security College. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia. 

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Show notes 

• NSC academic programs – find out more.  
• Technology & Security podcast 
• 2024 Independent Intelligence Review 
• Adapting Australian intelligence to the information age 

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Why is international development essential to Australia’s diplomacy and security outlook? 

Do the recent Trump tariffs and withdrawal of aid demand a more active role for Australia and other middle powers? 

In this episode Melissa Conley Tyler and Mira Sulistiyanto join David Andrews to unpack the current state of foreign aid and international development, with a focus on cuts to USAID, its implications, and Australia’s role as aid partner for the region. 

Melissa Conley Tyler FAIIA is Executive Director of the Asia-Pacific Development, Diplomacy & Defence Dialogue. 

Mira Sulistiyanto is an international development expert currently working at the Development Intelligence Lab as Senior Analyst. 

David Andrews is Senior Manager, Policy & Engagement at the ANU National Security College (NSC).  

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Show notes 

• NSC academic programs – find out more.  
• Development disruption: What does it mean for Australia? 
• RAMSI 
• Australia stands firm behind its foreign aid in the budget, but the future remains precarious 
• Pulse Check x US Aid Disruptions 
• In brief: 2025 Australian Federal Budget 
• Balancing Act: 25 years of Australian international budgets 

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How will the Trump tariffs impact Australian and global food security? 

How can Australian research help bolster food security in other regions?  

In this episode, Alison Bentley and Dirk van der Kley join David Andrews to share insights into the current state of food security, contemporary threats, and the need for research and innovation to ensure sustainable food systems. 

Dr Alison Bentley is Deputy Director, Agriculture and Food at the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO). 

Dr Dirk van der Kley is a Research Fellow at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

David Andrews is Senior Manager, Policy & Engagement at NSC.  

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Show notes  

• NSC academic programs – find out more  
• The world is producing more food, but it is a mixed bag in terms of improving diets | Tom Campbell and Dirk van der Kley 
• Future (bio)made in Australia? | Dirk van der Kley, Dan Santos, Dan Pavlich 
• Genes and geopolitics 

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Does this fit into a bigger pattern of Chinese maritime coercion, or was it a standalone incident?

What are the strategic implications for Australia of China's growing blue water naval capabilities? How should Australia respond?

In this episode Jennifer Parker and Douglas Guilfoyle join David Andrews to discuss China's recent naval operations off Australia, their legality, and the strategic lessons for Australia.

Jennifer Parker is an Expert Associate with the ANU National Security College (NSC).

Professor Douglas Guilfoyle is an expert in maritime security, the international law of the sea, and international and transnational criminal law at the University of New South Wales (Canberra).

David Andrews is Senior Manager, Policy & Engagement at NSC. 

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Show notes 

• NSC academic programs – find out more 
• If we panic about these Chinese ships, Xi wins the propaganda war
• At what point do we say ‘enough’ to Trump?

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What are the prospects for genuine peace after Putin's invasion of Ukraine? 

With the US’ shifting priorities, how does Europe’s response to Russian aggression inform Australia’s own security outlook?  

In this episode, Peter Tesch and Mikhail Zygar join Rory Medcalf for a discussion on the evolving role and influence of Russia in the global order, the impending challenges of the war in Ukraine, and the role that the US and Europe will play in this equation. 

Mikhail Zygar is a leading journalist, writer, commentator, filmmaker and expert on Russian affairs. He was also the founding editor-in-chief of Russian news channel TV Rain. 

Peter Tesch is a Distinguished Advisor with the ANU National Security College (NSC) and a leading Australian diplomat and policy official.  

Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of NSC. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia. 

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Show notes 

• NSC academic programs – find out more 
• Beth Sanner podcast: Security in transition: Trump’s America, alliances, and global stability 
• North star: why Australia should look to Finland on resilience and preparedness 
• War and Punishment: Putin, Zelensky, and the Path to Russia's Invasion of Ukraine 

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To what extent is the US still a force for global stability?

Could the new direction in US foreign policy under Donald Trump succeed in pulling Russia away from its partnership with China?

In this episode, Beth Sanner joins Rory Medcalf to explore the Trump administration's approach to global issues – particularly in Europe and the Indo-Pacific, the evolving dynamics of US alliances, and the broader threat environment.

Beth Sanner is a Distinguished Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). She is a former US Deputy Director of National Intelligence for Mission Integration and was Director of the President's Daily Brief during Donald Trump’s first stint as President. 

Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of NSC. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia.

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Show notes

·      NSC academic programs – find out more

·      Australia confronts the new world disorder

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What legal safeguards exist to balance civil liberties and national security?

Why do the principles of citizenship matter in Australia’s legal system and national security decisions?

In this episode, Rebecca Ananian-Welsh and Sangeetha Pillai join Danielle Ireland-Piper to explore the separation of powers in national security law in Australia, the role of courts, and the challenges surrounding citizenship laws.

Associate Professor Rebecca Ananian-Welsh is a constitutional law scholar and Editor of the University of Queensland Law Journal at the TC Beirne School of Law, The University of Queensland.

Dr Sangeetha Pillai is a constitutional lawyer and writer, and an expert on Australian citizenship, migration and refugee law.

Associate Professor Danielle-Ireland Piper is Academic Director at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

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Show notes

·     NSC academic programs – find out more

·     Reassessing national security law for modern threats

·     Why national security law is “more than the sum of its parts”

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How will Arctic security be impacted by rising great power competition?

How have US neighbours and allies responded?

In this episode, Iselin Németh Winther and Heather Exner-Pirot join David Andrews to explore the evolving significance of Arctic security, the uncertainties for Greenland under Donald Trump, and the potential impact of Arctic power dynamics on global governance.

Iselin Németh Winther is a researcher at the Fridtjof Nansen Institute in Oslo. She specialises in the geopolitics and security dynamics of the Arctic.

Dr Heather Exner-Pirot is a Senior Fellow and Director of Energy, Natural Resources and Environment at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute in Ottawa and Managing Editor of The Arctic Yearbook.

David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

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Show notes

·      NSC academic programs – find out more

·      We Went to Greenland to Ask About a Trump Takeover

·      Why Donald Trump wants Greenland

·      The long struggle for Greenland

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How effective has BRICS been at pursuing its objectives? 

Does BRICS membership provide newer states with greater strategic influence through engagement with major economies like China, India, and Russia? 

In this episode, Flavia Zimmermann and Fitriani join David Andrews to explore the evolving role of BRICS, its effectiveness, and its potential influence on global governance and power dynamics. 

Dr Flavia Bellieni Zimmermann is a Lecturer in Public Policy in the school of Social and Political Sciences at the University of Melbourne and an international political analyst. 

Dr Fitriani is a senior analyst with the Australian Strategic Policy Institute's Cyber, Technology and Security program, specialising in hybrid threats in the Indo-Pacific, as well as foreign policy and non-traditional security issues. 

David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

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Show notes 

• NSC academic programs – find out more 
• Joining BRICS, Indonesia sticks with multi-alignment strategy
•  BRICS 2025 
• 2025 UNFCCC COP 30 

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How do perceptions of Africa influence Australia’s approach to bilateral and regional partnerships, and what opportunities might we be overlooking?

How do African nations view China? And how does China shape the dynamics of African geopolitics? 

In this episode, Babatunde Obamamoye, Matthew Neuhaus and Lisa Filipetto join David Andrews and Melissa Permezel to discuss opportunities and barriers to Africa–Australia relations and the role of perception in engagement.

Dr Babatunde Obamamoye is a sessional lecturer in the Department of International Relations at the Australian National University (ANU).  

Matthew Neuhaus is an Honorary Professor at the ANU College of Law.  

Lisa Filipetto AM is a former United Nations Assistant Secretary General, leading the UN Peace Operations Support Mission in Somalia from 2018 to 2023.  

David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

Dr Melissa Permezel is an Advisor at NSC’s Futures Hub and the convenor of NSC’s Africa Working Group.  

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Show notes  

• NSC academic programs – find out more 
• Matthew Neuhaus: Australia needs to take Africa seriously – really, this time 
• Ibrahim Index of African Governance  

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How does storytelling bridge gaps in historical narratives and deepen our understanding of contemporary conflicts?

How can fiction help project future scenarios and explore potential outcomes?

In this episode, Misha Zelinsky and Mick Ryan join David Andrews to explore the intersection of fiction and national security – sharing personal experiences on how storytelling can shape public perceptions, and inspire action in the realm.

Misha Zelinsky is an Expert Associate with the ANU National Security College. He is a leading authority on the rise of global authoritarianism, a Fulbright Scholar, economist, lawyer, and author.

Major General (Retd) Mick Ryan AM is a Senior Fellow for Military Studies in the Lowy Institute’s International Security Program. He spent 35 years in the Australian Army and had the honour of commanding soldiers at multiple levels.

David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at NSC. 

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Show notes:  

• NSC academic programs – find out more
• The Sun Will Rise by Misha Zelinsky
• White Sun War: The Campaign for Taiwan by Mick Ryan
• Zero Day (Taiwanese TV show) 

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How can media literacy help inoculate citizens against mis- and disinformation?  

Why are critical thinking and media skills essential in a thriving democracy? 

And how can best-practice examples from around the globe and leading domestic research help shape the recently announced National Media Literacy Strategy? 

In this episode, Tanya Notley and Sora Park join Tim Wilford to discuss Australian media habits, media literacy, and how people can better equip themselves to identify mis/disinformation. 

Professor Sora Park is a Professor of Communication and a Professorial Research Fellow at the University of Canberra's News and Media Research Centre. 

Associate Professor Tanya Notley is an Associate Professor at Western Sydney University's Institute for Culture and Society. 

Tim Wilford is Senior Manager, Policy and Engagement at the ANU National Security College. 

TRANSCRIPT 

Show notes:  

• NSC academic programs
• Digital news report: Australia 
• Adult media literacy in 2024
• News and young Australians
• Towards a national media literacy strategy
• Online misinformation in Australia
• News media assistance program 
• Media literacy and education in Finland 
• The full list of materials on media literacy can be found here.

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How is the government modernising the Australian Defence Force to address evolving challenges?   

What is Australia doing to ensure it remains the partner of choice in the Pacific? And how does the NRL deal with PNG impact security in the region?   

In this episode, Pat Conroy joins Rory Medcalf to discuss his strategic worldview, Australia’s ties with the Pacific and the Albanese Government’s continued push to invest more in the Australian Defence Force.

The Hon Pat Conroy MP is the Minister for Defence Industry and Capability Delivery and the Minister for International Development and the Pacific. 

Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of the ANU National Security College (NSC). His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia. 

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Show notes:   

• NSC academic programs – find out more    
• Address to the National Press Club by the Hon Pat Conroy MP 
• Defence Strategic Review 2023 
• Address to the Hunter Defence Conference Gala Dinner by the Hon Pat Conroy MP 

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How has Australia’s defence investment evolved over the years, and is the nation equipped to address today’s pressing challenges?

What steps can Australia take to strengthen social cohesion while navigating political compromise and disruptive forces?

In this episode, Andrew Hastie joins Rory Medcalf to discuss his formative influences, strategic worldviews, and Australia’s defence challenges. 

The Hon Andrew Hastie MP is the Shadow Minister for Defence, Shadow Minister for Defence Industry, and Shadow Minister for Defence Personnel. 

Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of the ANU National Security College (NSC). His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia. 

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Show notes:  

• NSC academic programs – find out more 
• The Hon Andrew Hastie MP’s speech at Securing our Future 
• What are the most underappreciated threats to Australia’s security? 

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How might the election of Donald Trump impact US foreign and security policies?  

How can Australia best engage with a new Trump administration on critical issues like AUKUS, defence strategy, and tariffs? 

In this episode, Charles Edel joins Bianca Birdsall to discuss the election of Donald Trump to the US presidency, his proposed cabinet and staff nominees, and the security and foreign policy implications of a new administration for Australia and its region.   

Dr Charles Edel is a Senior Advisor and inaugural Australia Chair at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies.   

Bianca Birdsall is a Senior Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

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Show notes:  

• Listener survey: The National Security Podcast 
• NSC academic programs – find out more 
• Inflation Reduction Act | U.S. Department of the Treasury 

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How do partnerships assist intel collection in an increasingly complex world?  

What are the foundations of trust in a leader?  

This episode is a panel discussion, hosted by Meg Tapia at the 2024 Women in National Security LIVE, features Kerri Hartland, Heather Smith, and Heather Cook. They explore leadership in a complex strategic environment, being a 'first,' and the importance of relationships in national security. 

Kerri Hartland is the Director-General of the Australian Secret Intelligence Service. 

Dr Heather Smith PSM FAIIA is the National President of the Australian Institute of International Affairs. 

Heather Cook is the Chief Executive Officer of the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission. 

Meg Tapia is an Expert Associate at the ANU National Security College.  

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Show notes  

• NSC academic programs – find out more 
• 2024 Independent Intelligence Review overview 
• Australian Institute of International Affairs  
• Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission 
• Australian Secret Intelligence Service  

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How does national security policymaking differ from other areas of public policy?

And how might the decline of major parties in Australia impact the national security policymaking process?

In this episode, George Brandis – Australia's former Attorney-General and High Commissioner to the United kingdom – joins David Andrews to discuss the politics of national security policymaking.  

Professor The Honourable George Brandis KC is a Professor in the Practice of National Security in a joint appoint to the ANU National Security College (NSC) and the ANU College of Law.  

David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at NSC. 

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Show notes:  

• Listener survey: The National Security Podcast 
• NSC academic programs – find out more 

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How is the Army adapting for wars of the future?

Why is it important to build trust between the Army and Australian society?

In this episode, Simon Stuart joins Rory Medcalf discuss the changing nature of warfare, and how the Australian Army is positioned to succeed in facing future challenges.

Lieutenant General Simon Stuart AO DSC is Chief of the Australian Army.

Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of the ANU National Security College (NSC). His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia.

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Show notes

·        Listener survey: The Nation Security Podcast 

·        NSC academic programs – find out more  

·        Defence Strategic Review 2023

·        National Defence Strategy 2024

·        A2/AD systems

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What ethical issues are at play when we discuss lethal autonomous weapons? Can weapons be programmed to follow the laws of armed conflict?

How does public literacy influence perceptions of weapons systems?

In this episode, Zena Assaad and Lauren Sanders join Danielle Ireland-Piper to discuss weapons regulation, and how artificial intelligence and autonomous systems changes the arms landscape.

Dr Zena Assaad is a Senior Research Fellow with the School of Engineering at the Australian National University (ANU).

Dr Lauren Sanders is a Senior Research Fellow with the TC Beirne School of Law at the University of Queensland, in the Law and Future of War Project.

Dr Danielle-Ireland Piper is Academic Director and Associate Professor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

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Show notes

• Listener survey: The Nation Security Podcast 
• NSC academic programs – find out more 
• UN Report on Governing AI  
• EU AI Act 
• Responsible AI in the Military Summit 
• Legal review of autonomous weapons systems  

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How are the electoral commissions in Australia and UK dealing with threats like misinformation and foreign interference? 

Why is absolute independence important for the Australian and UK electoral commissions? 

In this episode, Tom Rogers and Vijay Rangarajan join Rory Medcalf to discuss congruent and colliding features of the Australian and British electoral systems: the role of losers' consent, the electoral commissions’ absolute independence, trust in democratic institutions, and influence of foreign interference come election time.  

Tom Rogers is the Australian Electoral Commissioner.  

Vijay Rangarajan is the Commissioner of the UK Electoral Commission.  

Professor Rory Medcalf is Head of the ANU National Security College. His experience spans three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia.  

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Show notes:  

• Listener survey: The Nation Security Podcast  
• NSC academic programs – find out more   
• Electoral Integrity Assurance Task Force  

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What is "crimmigration," and what are the issues with using criminal law frameworks in immigration contexts?

Do political incentives shape the discourse on migration and distract from other security threats?

In this episode, Alan Gamlen, Kate Ogg, and Dorota Gozdecka join Danielle Ireland-Piper to discuss "crimmigation”, why migration is a politically charged issue, and discuss High Court cases that have influenced Australia’s approach to migration and refugee laws.

Professor Alan Gamlen is the Director of the ANU Migration Hub and Professor in the ANU School of Regulation and Global Governance.  

Professor Kate Ogg is a Professor and the Associate Dean of Higher Degree Research at the ANU College of Law. 

Professor Dorota Gozdecka is a Professor of Law at the University of Helsinki in Finland.   

Dr Danielle Ireland-Piper is Academic Director and Associate Professor at the ANU National Security College. 

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Show notes  

• Listener survey
• NSC academic programs: find out more   
• Kate Ogg's book
• Dorota Gozdecka's book
• Alan Gamlen in The Guardian
• Mark J. Miller and Stephen Castles: The age of migration  
• Jim Hollifield and Phillip Martin: Controlling immigration: a global perspective 
• Reyna Grande and Sonia Guiñansaca: Somewhere we are human: authentic voices on migration, survival and new beginnings 
• William Maley: Australia's refugee policy: domestic politics and diplomatic consequences 
• Professor James Hathway: The rights of refugees under international law  

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How does climate change affect militaries? What role can technology play in mitigating the risks?

What challenges does federalism pose in the effort to address climate change?

In this episode, Tom Middendorp, Chris Barrie, Cheryl Durrant, and Sophie Lewis join Danielle Ireland-Piper to examine the critical link between climate change and national security, and what action is needed to mitigate the risks posed by it. 

General (Retired) Middendorp AO is the Chair of the International Military Council on Climate and Security and the former Dutch Chief of Defence. 

Admiral (Rtd) Chris Barrie AC is the former Australian Chief of the Defence Force and a founding and executive member of the Australian Security Leaders Climate Group. 

Cheyrl Durrant is the Former Director of Preparedness and Mobilisation at the Australian Department of Defence and a founding and executive member of the Australian Security Leaders Climate Group. 

Dr Sophie Lewis is ACT Commissioner for Sustainability and the Environment.   

Dr Danielle Ireland-Piper is Academic Director at the ANU National Security College (NSC).  

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Show notes

• Listener survey: The Nation Security Podcast 
• NSC academic programs – find out more  
• Tom Middendorp’s book – The Climate General  
• Chris Barrie’s report – Climate change, security and Australia’s Defence Force  

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How does Australia’s conception of critical minerals differ from its partners? How do critical minerals lists reflect how those states view resource supply chains and vulnerabilities?  

With China currently dominating the rare earths value chain, how can Australia protect its interests in this space?

In this episode, Hayley Channer and John Mavrogenes join David Andrews to discuss critical minerals and rare earths and the geopolitical landscape surrounding them. 

Hayley Channer is Director, Economic Security at the United States Studies Centre at the University of Sydney.  

Professor John Mavrogenes is a Professor of Economic Geology at the ANU Research School of Earth Sciences.  

David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC).  

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Show notes:  

• NSC academic programs – find out more  
• NSC's professional development program on rare earths and critical minerals 
• Kim Beazley’s call for a rare earths and critical minerals ‘Pillar 3’ for AUKUS 
• Jeff Wilson’s paper on how the Quad could play a coordinating role in this space 

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The Quad has helped its members to align and coordinate key policies, but what more needs to be done to improve its ability to deliver on major initiatives?  

Would the Quad benefit from pursuing a foundational treaty, agreement, or common branding, or is it better served by retaining its current, flexible approach? 

In this episode, Gaurav Saini and Kate Clayton join David Andrews to discuss the 2024 Quad Leaders’ Summit, and what the future may look like with incoming leadership changes. 

Dr Gaurav Saini is the co-founder of the Council for Strategic and Defence Research, a New Delhi think tank focused on foreign policy and security issues. He is part of the US State Department's Emerging Quad Think Tank Leaders program. 

Kate Clayton is a Senior Coordinator for Research and Programs at La Trobe Asia and the Blue Security Maritime Exchange.  

David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

Show notes:  

• NSC academic programs – find out more  
• Joint statement from the leaders of Australia, India, Japan, and the United States 
• Gaurav Saini’s article in the Lowy Institute Interpreter – with NSC's Dirk van der Kley.  

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How can government leaders remain mindful of individuals within broader systems, and how does this approach improve public policy outcomes? 

How can governments foster ethical leadership and accountability while balancing political pressures and systemic challenges? 

In this episode, Mark Crosweller and Margaret Moreton join David Andrews to discuss compassion, ethical leadership, resilience, and the tensions between individuals and institutions in the national security space.  

Dr Mark Crosweller AFSM is a Distinguished Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC) and Director of Ethical Intelligence Pty Ltd.  

Dr Margaret Moreton is Executive Director at the Australian Institute for Disaster Resilience.  

David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at NSC.  

Show notes:  

•  ANU academic programs – find out more  
• Mark’s book -  Compassion in Disaster Management: The Essential Ethic of Relational Leadership 
• IPCC – The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change   

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How does AUKUS contribute to European security?

How does AUKUS fit into UK defence interests and strategies in the Indo-Pacific?

In this episode, Damian Parmenter joins Rory Medcalf to discuss the UK perspective on AUKUS: the strategic environment, Pillar One operational specifics, diplomatic engagement and legislation, and progress on Pillar Two.

Damian Parmenter CBE is Director General AUKUS at the UK Ministry of Defence.  

Professor Rory Medcalf is Head of the ANU National Security College. His professional experience spans three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia.  

Show notes  

• The undergoing UK Strategic Defence Review  
• Australian National Defence Strategy  
• British SSN involved in search for Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 
• US International Traffic of Arms Regulation  
• Recent AUKUS agreement tabled in Australian parliament   

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How has the Falepili Union between Australia and Tuvalu been received more broadly across the region?  Will it be replicated?  

How does the Pacific Policing Initiative fit within the Pacific approach to collective security? 

How can the Pacific balance the pros and cons of the PALM scheme?  

In this episode, Maima Koro, Henritta McNeil and Joel Nilon join Bianca Birdsall to reflect on the 2024 Pacific Islands Forum, including the Pacific Resilience Fund, Pacific Policing Initiative, and the role of dialogue partners.  

Maualaivao Maima Koro is the Pacific Research Fellow and academic co-lead of the Regional Perspectives collaboration between Adelaide University and the Defence Science and Technology Group. 

Dr Henrietta McNeill is a Research Fellow on Pacific security, geopolitics and regionalism at the ANU Department of Pacific Affairs. 

Joel Nilon is a Pacific Fellow at the ANU Pacific Security College.  

Show notes:  

• ANU academic programs – find out more  
• Pacific Policing Initiative 
• Power and Influence in the Pacific Islands – co-authored by Henrietta McNeill 

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What is the rationale behind the PNG-Australia rugby league deal?  

How are sporting events being weaponised to undermine social cohesion or reflect geopolitical tensions?  

In this episode, Bianca Birdsall and Stuart Murray join David Andrews to discuss the role of sport as it relates to Australia’s national security – in diplomacy, foreign policy, and as a vector for insecurity, violence, crime, and societal unrest.  

Bianca Birdsall is a Senior Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC), on secondment from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.  

Dr Stuart Murray is an Associate Professor in International Relations and Diplomacy at Bond University.   

David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at NSC.  

Show notes  

• ADF-run sports program in Fiji 
• First Nations netball team   
• First Nations netball Coaching Course  
• PNG NRL team $600m deal 

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What is our constellation of defence partners in space? What assets does Australia bring to these relationships?  

What are the challenges and opportunities in the space domain?  

Is Australia contributing to what some critics call the “militarisation of space”?  

In this episode, Greg Novak joins Rory Medcalf to discuss the importance of space to Australia’s national interest, collaboration with industry and the civilian space sector and collaboration with like-minded partners in the space domain.  

Major General Greg Novak is Defence Space Commander in the Australian Space Command.  

Professor Rory Medcalf is Head of the ANU National Security College. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia.  

Show notes  

• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 
• Defence Strategic Review  
• National Defence Strategy  
• Defence Space Strategy  

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How does the India-Russia relationship impact India’s foreign policy and cooperation with Western partners?

How can India manage its strategic ambitions amidst region instability – including its deteriorating relationship with China?

How do Australia and other Western powers balance their interests in strategic cooperation with India alongside challenges to political trust that have emerged recently? 

In this episode, Ian Hall and Darshana Baruah join Rory Medcalf to discuss India’s evolving place in the world, from its immediate neighbourhood to bilateral relationships with global powers. 

Professor Ian Hall is a Professor of International Relations at Griffith University. He is also an Academic Fellow of the Australia India Institute.

Darshana Baruah is Director of Security and Geopolitics at the Australia India Institute and an Expert Associate at the ANU National Security College.

Professor Rory Medcalf is Head of the ANU National Security College. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think thanks, journalism and academia.   

Show notes  

• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 
• Darshana Baruah's book: The Contest for the Indian Ocean
• Ian Hall’s books: The Engagement of India: Strategies and Responses and Assessing Australia’s Strategic Personalities  

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How does the current security environment compare to previous eras of alliance formation? What lessons can we draw?  

Are we seeing a strategic convergence between the Euro-Atlantic and the Indo-Pacific? Between NATO and the network of US bilateral alliances in Asia? 

In this episode, Alexander Lanoszka and Susannah Patton join David Andrews to discuss the evolving role of alliances and security partnerships on the global stage.  

Alexander Lanoszka is an Associate Professor in the Department of Political Science at the Balsillie School of International Affairs at the University of Waterloo. He is also an Associate Fellow at the UK-based Council on Geostrategy and a Senior Fellow at the Ottawa-based Macdonald-Laurier Institute.  

Susannah Patton is Director of the Southeast Asia program at the Lowy Institute and the Project Lead for the Asia Power Index.  

David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at the ANU National Security College.  

Show notes  

• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 
• Alexander Lanoszka’s book: ‘Military Alliances in the Twenty-First Century’ 
• Susannah Patton’s Lowy Interpreter article: ‘From global to regional: Australia’s focus narrows’ 
• Lowy Institute Asia Power Index 
• Pew Research Centre  
• Institute of Southeast Asian Studies’ State of Southeast Asia Survey 

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What is the importance of and strategic reasoning for AUKUS Pillar Two? 

What misconceptions exist about defence research at universities?  

How does industry, policy, and research intersect to contribute to deterrence and generating an asymmetric technological advantage?  

In this episode, Tanya Monro joins Rory Medcalf to discuss innovation, science and technology, the National Defence Strategy, the Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator, defence research, and universities against the backdrop of AUKUS Pillar 2.   

Professor Tanya Monro AC FAA FTSE is Chief Defence Scientist at the Department of Defence. 

Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of the ANU National Security College. His experience spans three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism and academia. 

Show notes:  

• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 
• DSR: Defence Strategic Review 2023 
• NDS: National Defence Strategy  
• Advanced Strategic Capabilities Accelerator  
• Defence Trade Controls Amendment Act 2024 

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What misconceptions exist about AUKUS Pillar One? 

What progress has been made to realise the potential of AUKUS Pillar Two?  

In this episode, Hugh Jeffrey joins Rory Medcalf to discuss Australia’s current strategic landscape, the Defence Strategic Review, National Defence Strategy, and AUKUS.  

Hugh Jeffrey is Deputy Secretary Strategy, Policy, and Industry at the Department of Defence.  

Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of the ANU National Security College. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism, and academia. 

Show notes:  

• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 
• DSU: Defence Strategic Update 2020 
• DSR: Defence Strategic Review 2023 
• NDS: National Defence Strategy  

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How could Australia and Europe better work together to limit China’s global influence? 

And what lessons can Canberra learn from Brussels' approach to economic security – particularly with regard to electric vehicles? 

In this episode, Janka Oertel joins Rory Medcalf to discuss how Europe is approaching the ‘China challenge’. 

Dr Janka Oertel is Director of the Asia Programme and a Senior Policy Fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations. 

Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of the ANU National Security College. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism, and academia.

Show notes  

• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more
• Trust and trade-offs: How to manage Europe’s green technology dependence on China by Alexander Lipke, Janka Oertel, and Daniel O’Sullivan
• Security recall: The risk of Chinese electric vehicles in Europe by Janka Oertel

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What challenges does social media pose to the functioning of our democracy? 

How do tears in our social fabric exacerbate anti-democratic behaviour? 

In this episode, Tom Rogers and Clare O’Neil discuss the importance of, and challenges facing, elections and democracy. With framing introductions from Rory Medcalf and Genevieve Bell. 

Note: This episode was recorded from a public session, ‘The Future of Elections,’ part of a two-day conference hosted by the ANU National Security College in partnership with the Australian Electoral Commission and International IDEA.  

Tom Rogers is the Australian Electoral Commissioner  

The Hon Claire O’Neil MP is the Minster for Home Affairs and Cyber Security  

Professor Genevieve Bell is the Vice-Chancellor and President of the Australian National University 

Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of NSC. His professional experience spans more than three decades across diplomacy, intelligence analysis, think tanks, journalism, and academia. 

Show notes 

• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 
• Full version with panel and Q&A - The future of elections and Australian democracy 

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How are terrorist and extremist groups taking advantage of a new, more connected world to further their objectives? 

Has there been a shift towards embracing the role of women in both terrorist organisations and the intelligence community? 

In this episode, Bruce Hoffman, Amira Jadoon, and Aaron Zelin join Bianca Birdsall to discuss international terrorist incidents, the looming threat of domestic extremism, and the shifting counterterrorism landscape – from gender roles to technology advancements. 

Professor Bruce Hoffman is a tenured professor in Georgetown University’s Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service and is currently the Shelby Collum and Katherine W. Davis Senior Fellow for Counterterrorism and Homeland Security at the Council on Foreign Relations. 

Dr Amira Jadoon is an Assistant Professor in the department of Political Science at Clemson University, previously working at the U.S. Military Academy, jointly appointed in the department of Social Sciences and the Combating Terrorism Center. 

Dr Aaron Zelin is the Gloria and Ken Levy Senior Fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, where he also directs the Islamic State Worldwide Activity Map project.  

Bianca Birdsall is a Senior Advisor at the ANU National Security College.

Show notes:  

• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 
• God, Guns, and Sedition by Bruce Hoffman and Jacob Ware 
• Your Sons are at your service by Aaron Zelin 
• The Islamic State in Afghanistan and Pakistan: Strategic Alliances and Rivalries by Amira Jadoon with Andrew Mines 

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What policy and institution settings need to be redesigned for the new world we find ourselves in?  

How can Australia look to diversify its trade and resources in order to steer clear of global supply chain tensions? 

In this session, Jeffrey Wilson, Tania Constable, Swati Dave, Darren Lim, Helen Mitchell, and Christopher Flynn assess Australia’s economic readiness to deal with future strategic shocks and the importance of building economic resilience, securing supply chains, and protecting critical sectors.  

Dr Jeffrey Wilson is the Director of Research and Economics at Australian Industry Group  

Tania Constable PSM is the CEO of the Minerals Council of Australia  

Swati Dave is the Advisory Board Chair at the Centre for Australia-India Relations  

Dr Darren Lim is a Senior Lecturer at the ANU College of Arts and Social Sciences  

Helen Mitchell is a Sir Roland Wilson Scholar at the ANU National Security College  

Christopher Flynn is a Partner at Gilbert + Tobin 

Show notes 

• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 
• Full version with Q&A - Economic security: shocks, preparedness and resilience  
• Unlocking economic security: A strategic playbook for Australia by Helen Mitchell 

Note: This episode was recorded during NSC’s Securing our Future conference on 9 April 2024. 

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How do other nations restructure the national security discussion to involve people, rather than just informing them? 

As a diverse and multicultural nation, how can we use technology to broaden public consultation?  

In this episode, James Brown, Dai Le, Christian Fjäder, Lisa Singh, and James Mortensen join Duncan Lewis to discuss the role of social licence, how it is generated, and how much licence is enough. They explore lessons from comparable liberal democracies and Australia's own history in achieving lasting policy support. 

James Brown is the Chairman of Invictus Australia.   

Dai Le MP is the independent Federal Member for Fowler. 

Dr Christian Fjäder is the CEO of Geostrategic Intelligence Group. 

The Hon Lisa Singh is the CEO of the Australia India Institute. 

Dr James Mortensen is a Lecturer and the HDR Program Coordinator at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

Professor Duncan Lewis AO DSC CSC is a Professor in the Practice of National Security at NSC. 

Note: This episode was recorded during NSC’s Securing our Future conference, 9-10 April 2024.   

Show notes:   

• Full version with Q&A – Social licence for national security: what’s the mandate? 
• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 

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What is the role of Australia and other middle powers in responding to Chinese actions in the Indo-Pacific?  

Are the United States’ China policies set to change with future shifts in the international order?   

In this episode, Sheena Chestnut Greitens and Dan Blumenthal join David Andrews to discuss the drivers of the China and the United States’ security policies, the role of China in the international order, middle powers, and deterrence.  

Sheena Chestnut Greitens is an Associate Professor at the LBJ School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas at Austin. She is currently a Visiting Associate Research Professor of Indo-Pacific Security at the United States Army War College.  

Dan Blumenthal is a Senior Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, where he focuses on East Asian security in Sino-American relations, and a Distinguished Visting Professor at the US Naval War College.  

David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at the ANU National Security College.  

Show notes  

• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 
• Playing both sides of the US-Chinese rivalry by Sheena Chestnut Greitens and Isaac Kardon 
• From Coercion to Capitulation, How China Can take Taiwan Without a War by Dan Blumenthal et al 

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How has social media reshaped democracy, for better and for worse?  

How can the next generation of leaders sustain and strengthen democracy? 

In this episode, George Brandis, Tom Rogers, Atul Sharma, and Ketty Chen join Janine O’Flynn to discuss elections, institutions, opportunities, and challenges for democracy in the coming years. 

Professor The Hon George Brandis KC is a Professor in the Practice of National Security, Policy and Law at the ANU National Security College (NSC) and ANU College of Law. 

Tom Rogers is the Australian Electoral Commissioner.  

Dr Atul Sharma is a member of the NSC Youth Council. 

Dr Ketty Chen is the Taiwan Country Representative and Head of Taipei Office at the National Democratic Institute.

Professor Janine O’Flynn is the Director of the ANU Crawford School of Public Policy. 

Show notes 

• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 

Note: This episode was recorded during NSC’s Securing our Future conference on 10 April 2024. 

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Should AUKUS be formally separated, and the partners instead manage nuclear submarines and advanced capabilities under different agreements? 

What are some challenges and risks to the future success of AUKUS?  

In this episode, Justin Burke and Jada Fraser join David Andrews to explore the evolving dynamics of the AUKUS agreement, the potential inclusion of other nations in advanced capability projects, and the broader impact on regional security. 

Jada Fraser is the Indo-Pacific Minilaterals Fellow with the Yokosuka Council on Asia-Pacific Studies. 

Justin Burke is a Senior Policy Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at NSC.  

Show notes:  

• AUKUS is America's Litmus Test for Integrated Deterrence by Jada Fraser  
• Let AUKUS be AUKUS: Is It Time to Separate Submarines from Advanced Capabilities? By David Andrews 
• Australia’s Defence Strategic Review 
• The International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) 
• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 

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Is the rise of authoritarianism within democracies a symptom of broader systemic problems?  

How can democratic institutions in Australia counter challenges like terrorism, radical extremism, and threats to cybersecurity? 

In this episode, Misha Zelinsky, Lydia Khalil, and James Paterson join Jane Halton to discuss the current challenges and threats to democracy and its institutions, particularly in Australia. 

Professor Jane Halton AO PSM FAICD is a Distinguished Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

Misha Zelinsky is an Expert Associate at NSC. 

Lydia Khalil is a Research Fellow at the Lowy Institute. 

Senator James Paterson is the Shadow Minister for Home Affairs and the Shadow Minister for Cyber Security. 

Show notes:  

• Full version with Q&A – It wouldn’t happen in Australia: can the centre hold? 
• Keynote addresses by the Hon Clare O’Neil MP and Secretary of Department of Home Affairs, Stephanie Foster PSM at Securing our Future 
• Edelman Trust Barometer
• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 

Note: This episode was recorded during NSC’s Securing our Future conference on 9 April 2024.  

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How does it differ from other oversight bodies? 

And what are the legal and policy issues we are grappling with that have prompted a Secrecy Review? 

In this episode, Jake Blight joins Danielle Ireland-Piper to discuss secrecy laws, how they fit into the national security landscape, and his organisation's recent review.

Jake Blight is the current Independent National Security Legislation Monitor, and previously an Associate Professor in the Practice of National Security Law with the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

Dr Danielle Ireland-Piper is an Associate Professor and Academic Director at NSC.   

Show notes:  

• Independent National Security Legislation Monitor: Secrecy Review Background 
• Legal literacy: This two-day program, co-designed with the ANU College of Law, introduces reading and using relevant legislation, how the Constitution affects national security laws, the role of international law and the ways our national security laws are made, amended and overseen. 
• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 

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How can deterrence and diplomacy be integrated to preserve peace, stability, and the conditions for prosperity in the Indo Pacific? 

Is development assistance a tool of strategic competition, or is it a tool for deterrence? 

What does effective deterrence look like for Australia and its allies in the Indo-Pacific? 

In this episode, Richard Maude, Greg Moriarty, Huong Le Thu, and Richard Fontaine join Rory Medcalf to discuss the integration of deterrence and diplomacy in the practice of statecraft in the Indo-Pacific. 

Richard Maude is Executive Director of Asia Society Australia. 

Greg Moriarty is Secretary of the Department of Defence. 

Dr Huong Le Thu is Asia Deputy Director for the International Crisis Group. 

Richard Fontaine is Chief Executive Officer of the Center for a New American Security.  

Professor Rory Medcalf AM is Head of the ANU National Security College. 

Show notes:  

• Full version with Q&A – Indo-Pacific statecraft: deterrence and diplomacy  
• 2024 National Defence Strategy  
• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 

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What are the merits of having a bipartisan approach to defence policymaking? How important is it to clearly communicate these concepts to the public?

Is the NDS’ focus on deterrence and denial well-suited to today’s geopolitical landscape?

Should Australia have an unclassified National Security Strategy and National Military Strategy to complement the National Defence Strategy?

In this episode, Elizabeth Buchanan and Andrew Carr join David Andrews to analyse the merits and shortcomings of the 2024 National Defence Strategy.

Dr Elizabeth Buchanan is an Expert Associate at the ANU National Security College (NSC). She is also an Associate Researcher with the French Ministry of Armed Forces’ Institute for Strategic Research, Senior Fellow at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, and was previously Head of Research for the Royal Australian Navy’s Sea Power Centre.

Dr Andrew Carr is a Senior Lecturer at the ANU Strategic and Defence Studies Centre. He is also currently a member of the ANU-Defence Strategic Policy History Project, writing a history of Australian Defence White Papers from 1976-2020.

David Andrews is a Senior Policy Advisor at NSC.

Show notes:

• Launch of the 2024 National Defence Strategy by the Hon Richard Marles MP
• 2024 National Defence Strategy and 2024 Integrated Investment Program
• Defence White Papers
• Australia-United States Ministerial Consultations (AUSMIN)
• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 

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What does a shared sense of national identity look like for Australia today? 

What are some of the frailties and risks that Australia faces when it comes to maintaining social cohesion? 

In this episode, Zoe McKenzie, Allegra Spender, Wesa Chau, Asmi Wood and Afeeya Akhand join Ian Kemish to discuss the importance of Australian values, national identity, and social cohesion in guiding Australia’s strategic priorities.

Zoe McKenzie MP is the Federal Member for Flinders 

Allegra Spender MP is the Federal Member for Wentworth 

Wesa Chau is the Director of Public Policy at the Multicultural Leadership Initiative 

Professor Asmi Wood is a Professor at the ANU College of Law and Sub-Dean (Indigenous) 

Afeeya Akhand is a Youth Council Member at the ANU National Security College (NSC). 

Ian Kemish AM is a Distinguished Advisor at NSC.  

Show notes: 

• Watch the entire video with Q&A
• Keynote address by the Hon Tim Watts MP 
• Keynote address by the Hon Andrew Hastie MP 
• PJCIS - Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security 
• A Rightful Place by Noel Pearson | Symbolic indigenous recognition for all of us 
• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 

Note: This episode was recorded during the NSC’s ‘Securing our Future’ conference on 10 April 2024. 

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Would commitments to long-term policymaking at a multilateral level push Australia and other countries to apply these principles domestically? 

Can state-based wellbeing frameworks guide national decision-making in Australia?  

In this episode, Sophie Howe and Caitlin Figueiredo join Dayle Stanley to for a future-focused discussion on the importance of long-term policy making. 

Sophie Howe was the first Future Generations Commissioner for Wales and is a member of the ANU National Security College (NSC) Futures Council. 

Caitlin Figueiredo is the 2024 ACT Young Australian of the Year and the former co-chair of the Australian Youth Affairs Coalition. 

Dayle Stanley is the Chief Futures Officer at the NSC Futures Hub. 

Show notes:  

• Sophie Howe Ted Talk  
• How did there come to be a Future Generations Commissioner in Wales? 
• UN Summit for the Future 
• National Emergency Management Agency 
• ANU National Security College academic programs: find out more 

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What is the concept of ‘truth to power’ and is it the right approach for intelligence assessment?  

Should intelligence agencies to be more public and open about their threat assessments? 

What is the role of open-source intelligence (OSINT) in the intelligence community (IC)? And would the Australian IC stand to benefit from a standalone OSINT agency? 

In this episode, Beth Sanner joins Peter Ford and Ben Scott to discuss how intelligence and statecraft interact and look at some key events to analyse the role of intelligence. 

Beth Sanner is a Senior Fellow at Harvard University Belfer Center and the former US Deputy Director of National Intelligence for Mission Integration. 

Peter Ford is a Senior Advisor at the ANU National Security College (NSC).  

Ben Scott is a Senior Advisor at NSC.  

Show notes:  

• Opinion piece by Beth Sanner on 'Truth to Power': A Former Presidential Briefer Rethinks Truth to Power (thecipherbrief.com) 
• United States 2024 Annual Threat Assessment: ATA-2024-Unclassified-Report.pdf (dni.gov)  
• ASIO Director-General's Annual Threat Assessment 2024: Director-General's Annual Threat Assessment 2024 | ASIO 
• Adapting Australian intelligence to the information age by Ben Scott: find out more 

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