Buy it now — Elemental: The New Geography of Climate Change and How We Survive It. 

But first, check out this Wickedproblems.earth conversation with Arthur Snell about his new book, the first comprehensive account of the geopolitics of climate change.

In this conversation:

00:00 Arctic Ice Wake Up

00:45 War Crowds Out Climate

02:32 Chokepoints Aren’t Fixed

04:08 Meet Arthur Snell

04:22 Why Climate Is Geopolitics

08:05 Alps Collapse Story

11:01 Skiing Lobbies And Emissions

12:40 Geopolitics Map Gets Redrawn

14:59 Arctic Shipping Routes Open

18:37 Trump Greenland And Minerals

22:46 Panama Canal China Leverage

24:20 Panama Canal Leverage

25:56 Who Shapes Strategy

28:24 Migration as Hard Reality

34:55 Greenland Plans Accelerate

39:27 Russia China North Shift

42:28 Wine and Adaptation

44:36 Book Plug and Farewell

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On Wicked Problems, host Richard Delevan interviews Svitlana Romko, founder of Razom We Stand, at the Laudato Si “Raising Hope” conference about linking Ukraine’s war to global fossil fuel dependence. Romko says We Stand formed in early 2022 to coordinate a coalition of 900 organizations from 60 countries urging bans on Russian fossil fuels and investment, and rebuilding Ukraine with renewables to cut financial flows fueling wars. She argues “all gas is bad,” criticizes replacing Russian gas with US LNG, and urges Europe to accelerate renewables for peace, energy security, climate, and human rights. She describes vast destruction, displacement, population decline to about 20 million, and energy capacity collapsing from 54 GW to 9 GW, while 17–18 GW is needed for winter. She highlights faith-led divestment successes, distributed renewables powering communities, and Ukraine’s renewable potential of 653 GW as a basis for rebuilding and hope.

00:00 Ukraine in Ruins

00:21 I ntro

00:21 Confrontation and Repression

00:59 Intro

01:40 Podcast Intro and Guest

03:20 Meet Svitlana at Conference

03:50 We Stand Mission

05:42 No Such Thing as Clean Gas

07:58 Faith Groups and Divestment

10:46 Populism and Fossil Money

15:50 Ukraine Power Grid Under Attack

22:13 Panel Clip Fossil Fuels and Dictators

34:40 Hope Resilience and Closing

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Professor Dana R. Fisher of American University discusses what she describes as a “perfect storm” in the US: federal occupations of cities (highlighting Minneapolis), the murder of two American citizens while they were bearing witness to ICE actions, the president getting rid of the endangerment finding underlying US climate policy, and FBI investigations focusing on the "radical fringe" of the climate movement. Fisher argues these groups are “low hanging fruit” because their confrontational tactics (e.g., throwing paint, smearing food, blocking traffic, bird-dogging elected officials) are widely unpopular, making it easier for authorities to target them first as part of a broader slide toward autocracy that also threatens media freedoms. She says repression and violence against peaceful activists historically mobilize larger protests, even as it can lead to persecution, jail, and martyrdom. She also describes survey results from a Women’s March–coordinated “Free America walkout” showing over 75% support for a movement becoming more confrontational and 65% willingness to personally engage in confrontational activism; she notes the participants were largely white, female, older, and highly educated.

Prof. Fisher's Apocalyptic Optimist podcast.

Britain has already jailed nonviolent climate protestors and restricted defenses in court, with ongoing debates about protest trials and labeling Palestine Action a terror group. The Gorton and Denton by-election seems to be between Reform, seeking to import Trump’s climate and migration agenda, and the surging Green Party, treating climate, inequality, and migration as realities to face without losing humanity. The show notes a single constituency poll with Green candidate Hannah Spencer ahead of Reform’s Matt Goodwin, with Labour (which has held the seat for a century) behind; as Labour is consumed by Epstein-linked arrests and scandal involving Peter Mandelson and former Prince Andrew.

In an interview recorded late in 2025, Harriet Lamb, CEO of the Green Party of England and Wales, describes rapid growth following Zach Polanski’s leadership, with membership doubling to over 150,000. Lamb connects her background in international development and environmental and social justice to party politics, argues the UK has shifted into a multi-party system creating both dangers and opportunities, and emphasizes a “people and planet” platform focused on the cost-of-living crisis, inequality, wealth taxes, and strong public support for climate action. She discusses candidate development through a “Greens to Parliament” program aimed at building a diverse slate for 2029, and says coalition politics must protect Green principles and public trust, citing German coalition negotiations and the Scottish Greens’ Bute House agreement as examples.

00:00 Confrontation and Repression

01:35 Wicked Problems Returns

04:11 FBI Targets Climate Activists

07:42 Low Hanging Fruit and Autocracy

19:18 UK By-Election and Green Surge

29:32 Hope Surge and Outreach

31:28 Broad Coalition and Core Values

36:28 Vetting New Recruits

38:39 Road to Parliament and Coalitions

45:24 Milestones and Closing Reflections

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Welcome to Belém, where the world (with some notable exceptions) has gathered to talk about saving the Amazon as if it weren’t already on fire. 

Cataloguing the chaos leading up to COP30 Ben Cooke of The Times. His team’s reporting makes clear why the mood isn’t exactly jubilant: the clean-power alliance with zero members, the rainforest pledges with little progress, and the renewed swagger of fossil petrostates. 

Even potential bright spots, like the Tropical Forest Forever Facility announced last week, were somewhat dimmed by the spectacle of UK prime minister Keir Starmer reversing an earlier decision not to go to COP, only to make the trip to then announce his government wouldn’t be part of the hoped-for signature initiative out of this event.

We chat with Ben about all of that and more.

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Shipping is one of those things that’s just supposed to work. Post-Titanic, we created a set of rules that currently are looked after by the International Maritime Organization (IMO), which successfully removed much of the drama from shipping — so successful that Britain’s “Shipping Forecast” is now soothing ASMR for bedtime listening. 

But last month at the IMO in London, what should have been a procedural meeting on decarbonising shipping turned into something far messier. According to a Financial Times investigation, U.S. officials didn’t just lobby against a global carbon levy on shipping — they allegedly threatened, intimidated and black-mailed delegates from smaller nations. 

Developing-country delegates said they were warned their ships would face higher U.S. port fees, their officials denied visas, and their trade punished if they didn’t abandon support for the Net Zero Framework the IMO had endorsed only six months earlier. “It was like dealing with the Mob,” one diplomat told the FT.  

In the end, it worked. The deal — the world’s first carbon-pricing mechanism for global shipping — was postponed for a year. The IMO, normally the most technocratic of international bodies, was left “in a state of complete shock.” 

For the uninitiated this may sound arcane. But shipping matters. Roughly 90 % of global trade moves by sea; the sector accounts for about 3 % of global CO₂ emissions — more than Germany — and until now has been largely outside the reach of meaningful climate regulation.  

The Net Zero Framework was meant to change that. It had already been provisionally agreed by a majority of countries in April. But by October, something changed. Countries like China, India, Panama, Liberia — and even Greece and Cyprus, who broke with the EU line — suddenly voted to adjourn. news.wickedproblems.uk

And the shift didn’t come from nowhere: it came from pressure. From a U.S. administration that now treats climate policy as an existential threat to American interests.

🎧 Who we spoke to

• Carly Hicks (Chief Strategy & Impact Officer, Opportunity Green) explains how the IMO had once seemed one of the last genuinely global forums where climate ambition could meet technical reality — until the process was capsized by politics. 
• Ariane Morrissey (Senior Editor, Ship.Energy) was in the building as the talks imploded, describing a surreal scene where delegates who came to discuss fuel standards found themselves under threats of sanctions and visa bans. 
• Professor Tristan Smith (University College London) gave the longer-view: this is less a failure of climate tech than a warning shot about the fragility of multilateralism itself. He argues the US may have bought time — but may also have triggered the rise of regional regulation. The EU’s carbon-trading scheme now covers shipping; Singapore and Japan are exploring carbon levies. The patchwork world is arriving faster than the ships can adjust.  

🎵 Outro music: “Sailing By” (1963) layered with a long-wave “Shipping Forecast” transmission — that calm voice reading “Viking, North Utsire, South Utsire…”

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Overshoot, a new four-part documentary series from climate strategist and Wicked Problems alum Laurie Laybourn—goes further than nearly anyone has before. And he came back to unpack some of the key ideas in Overshoot and what he hopes people will do with it.

In Overshoot the story starts with the fact that we can no longer avoid the storm, we’ve enetered it. How to survive and steer through it—generation after generation—is the conversation we urgently need to have now. 

Drawing on interviews with diplomats, scientists, and communities on the frontlines, Laybourn dismantles the win/lose logic that has dominated climate politics since Paris and asks what it means to live in an age of overlapping crises and hard adaptation choices.

Our conversation ranges from the myth of Easter Island to the politics of “carbon sucking,” from managed retreat in Wales to the legal aftershocks of 1.5°C’s failure. It’s a clear-eyed look at what comes next—and why, even at the moment of “net zero,” we’ll be living in the most dangerous period in human history.

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In this episode of Wicked Problems, host Richard Delevan welcomes Dave Jones and Kostantsa Rangelova from the energy think tank, EMBER. They've spent the past year spreading the good news about the impressive advancements in solar and battery technology, particularly focusing on global trends and potential game-changers in regions such as Africa and Mexico. Despite solar only contributing to 6.6% of Mexico’s electricity, EMBER simulations indicate it could rise to 90% with optimal efficiency. In some spots like Muscat, Las Vegas, or Mexico City, almost all their power, day and night, can now be generated from just solar + battery.

The discussion covers the rapid progress and cost reductions in battery technology, the promising shift towards 24/7 solar power, the surge of solar adoption in Africa, and the significant untapped potential in Mexico. The episode highlights the transformative impact of solar and battery technologies on global energy landscapes and emphasizes the urgent need for effective policies to accelerate this transition.

00:00 Introduction to Mexico's Solar Potential

00:00 Global Governance Breakdown

00:36 Welcome to Wicked Problems

00:39 Introducing the Guests: Dave Jones and Constanza Rva

01:05 The Rise of Solar and Battery Technology

01:33 24/7 Solar Power: A Game Changer

01:54 Advancements in Battery Technology

02:51 Economic Competitiveness of Solar and Battery

04:38 Challenges and Innovations in Battery Production

08:17 Global Adoption and Market Dynamics

15:20 Grid vs. Battery: The Trade-Offs

21:05 Solar and Battery in Different Climates

24:27 Implications for Policy and Future Outlook

26:09 Evolution of Battery Storage

27:29 Africa's Solar Boom

27:59 Chinese Solar Exports to Africa

28:52 Utility Scale Solar in Africa

37:50 Challenges and Opportunities in Mexico's Solar Sector

47:26 Global Solar Trends and Future Outlook

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 Dr. Lorna Gold is the executive director of the Laudato Sì Movement, which was inspired by the late Pope Francis’ 2015 letter. That document, considered pretty radical for the leader of the Catholic Church to issue at the time, was credited by former Irish president Mary Robinson and others with influencing the Paris Agreement - and you can hear echoes of it as recently as the advisory opinion issued this summer by the International Court of Justice. 

On its 10th anniversary, Francis’ successor Pope Leo will lead the Raising Hope Conference, 1-3 October in Rome - but also available via livestream - talking about the relevance of its ideas for the situation we’re in now. More than a “Catholic” thing, it will feature people as diverse as Brazil’s climate minister Marina Silva (in the runup to COP30), climate scientist Dr. 

Katharine Hayhoe, Bill McKibben, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Tuvalu climate minister Dr Maina Talia, Bianca Pitt of SHE Changes Climate, Fossil Fuel Non-Proliferation Treaty president Kumi Naidoo, and more. Somehow, Lorna was able to take a break from organising the event to speak to us. 

Lorna earned a PhD in economic geography from Glasgow University and author of Climate Generation: Awakening to our Childrens’ Future.

It’s a great chat and we think you’ll enjoy it.

In This Conversation

01:22 Introduction to Dr. Lorna Gold 

02:21 Personal Tragedy and Resilience 

05:29 Hope vs. Optimism 

09:17 Relevance of Laudato Si' 

13:01 International Court of Justice Ruling 

15:21 Economic Systems and Climate Action 

21:51 Pope Francis, Pope Leo and COP 30 

22:31 Upcoming Conference and Call to Action 

24:25 Personal Reflection on Climate Impact 

27:56 Discussing Future Conversations 

28:40 Mother's Role in Climate Action 

29:39 Women of Faith for Climate Justice 

31:37 The Raging Grannies and Activism 

33:12 The Sharing Economy and Climate Generation 

34:42 Sufficiency and Economic Inequality 

41:17 The Role of Storytelling in Climate Education 

44:34 Hope and Action in Climate Movements 

47:31 Pope or Nope Quiz

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In this episode of 'Wicked Problems,' host Richard Delevan speaks with Dr. Hannah E. Morris, Assistant Professor at the University of Toronto and author of 'Apocalyptic Authoritarianism.' They discuss the use of apocalyptic language in politics, the resurgence of Cold War-era narratives, and how these tropes are being weaponized to block climate action and shore up existing power structures. The conversation delves into the intersections of media, politics, and climate crisis, featuring insights on the impact of journalism on these global issues.

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00:00 Trump's Apocalyptic Obsession

01:19 Introduction to Wicked Problems

01:32 Guest Introduction: Dr. Hannah E. Morris

01:57 Weaponizing Apocalyptic Language

02:45 Defining Apocalyptic Authoritarianism

03:06 Trump's Influence and Climate Movement

05:13 Nostalgia and Climate Journalism

06:30 The Green New Deal and Media Narratives

11:47 Challenges in Climate Journalism

24:28 Covering Climate Now Initiative

30:02 Senator Eric Schmidt's Speech Analysis

32:59 Nationalism and American Identity

34:27 Fascist Ideologies and Historical Context

37:26 Media's Role in Shaping Nationalism

39:30 Climate Change and Political Narratives

47:26 Global Perspectives on Climate Journalism

51:37 Apocalyptic Imagery in Modern Politics

54:09 Influences and Future Directions

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Unraveling the Impact of Climate Change on Zurich: Analyzing 50 Years of Data | Wicked Problems

In this episode of Wicked Problems, host Richard Delevan explores a groundbreaking study from researchers at Oxford Smith School's Sustainable Law Program and beyond. Joined by Dr. Rupert Stuart-Smith, Deputy Director and Senior Research Fellow, they dive into the first-of-its-kind research examining climate change's impact on heat-related mortality in Zurich from 1969 to 2018. Discover how attribution science links global warming to nearly 1700 deaths in Zurich, the role of adaptation measures, and the growing importance of climate attribution in legal contexts. This sobering analysis offers a stark look at the real human costs of climate change and the urgent need for action.

00:00 Introduction: Zurich and Climate Change

00:31 Welcome to Wicked Problems

00:35 The Impact of Climate Change on Zurich

01:34 Introducing Dr. Rupert Stuart Smith

02:11 Study Findings: Heat-Related Mortality in Zurich

02:25 Methodology and Data Analysis

05:33 Surprising Results and Implications

14:16 Adaptation Measures and Their Effectiveness

16:31 Legal and Political Implications

18:22 The Role of Attribution Science in Courts

23:17 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Understanding Climate Tipping Points With Stephen Smith | Wicked Problems Climate Tech Conversations

In this episode of Wicked Problems Climate Tech Conversations, host Richard Delevan dives into the pivotal and pressing subject of climate tipping points with guest Stephen Smith. They discuss the warnings from the recent Global Tipping Points Conference in Exeter, where nearly 200 scientists urged immediate action to prevent irreversible climate changes. The conversation explores both negative and positive climate tipping points, the challenges policymakers face in addressing them, and the importance of storytelling in climate advocacy. Stephen Smith also highlights the potential of renewable energy and the steps needed to accelerate the global transition to a low-carbon economy. Tune in for an insightful discussion on the critical actions required to address the climate crisis and the hopeful pathways forward.

00:00 Introduction and Opening Remarks

00:26 Urgent Climate Crisis Call

01:29 Understanding Tipping Points

03:44 Negative Tipping Points

04:18 Positive Tipping Points

05:12 Policy Makers and Tipping Points

06:02 Interruption and Resumption

07:03 Immediate Action Required

11:20 Real-World Example: Tuvalu

14:16 Challenges in Policy Making

17:21 Positive Social Tipping Points

18:54 Renewable Energy Revolution

22:12 Barriers to Change

27:54 Accelerating Positive Change

35:10 Hope and Final Thoughts

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Richard Delevan talks to More in Common's Ed Hodgson about Shattered Britain, how Britain's "Tribes" will shape the future - and why you need to understand them if effective climate communicators are going to win.

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Climate Justice: ICJ's Historic Ruling and Its Global Impact

In this episode of Wicked Problems, host Richard Delavan is joined by Professor Elizabeth Holland from Brown University to discuss a historic advisory opinion handed down by the International Court of Justice (ICJ). The ruling, initiated by Pacific Island students, declares climate science as a binding element under customary international law, obligating states to take stronger climate action. Elizabeth shares insights from her role as a science negotiator for Palau and the significance of the court's ruling for vulnerable nations and future generations. This episode also features voices from those who played pivotal roles in making this judgment a reality, emphasizing the binding nature of climate obligations and the need for continuous global cooperation.

00:00 Introduction: Climate Science as Law

00:16 The Court's Advisory Opinion

00:54 Human Impact and Cultural Struggles

01:14 End of Impunity and Legal Obligations

02:03 Interview with Professor Elizabeth Holland

02:43 Reactions to the ICJ Ruling

05:22 The Role of Small Island States

05:50 Challenges in Climate Negotiations

08:01 Legal Frameworks and Obligations

09:43 Implications for the United States

12:33 Personal Reflections and Contributions

14:34 Celebrating the Youth Movement

18:17 Art and Culture in Climate Advocacy

21:21 Generational Promises and Songs

26:38 Conclusion and Call to Action

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The Intersection of Climate Change and National Security with Rear Admiral Neil: A Deep Dive

In this episode of 'Wicked Problems,' host Richard Delevan speaks with Rear Admiral Neil, former Royal Navy officer and current Professor of Climate and Resource Security at UCL, about the growing recognition that climate change is a strategic challenge impacting national security. They discuss the expanded definition of national security to include climate adaptation, various international and interdisciplinary efforts to mitigate climate impact, and how the military is adapting its strategies. The conversation covers past and present policies, the importance of societal involvement, and the role of technological advancements. Rear Admiral Neil emphasizes the need for strategic, long-term solutions, cooperation across sectors, and raises concerns about the potential for a significant crisis to wake global leadership from complacency.

00:00 Introduction to Climate Change and Security

00:26 Guest Introduction: Rear Admiral Neil

00:57 National Security and Climate Change

02:06 Impact of Climate Change on Society

03:49 Military's Role and Adaptation

04:44 Evolving Conversations on Climate Policy

09:48 Technological Innovations in the Military

19:02 International Cooperation and Policy

24:49 Challenges and Future Prospects

31:52 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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In this episode, two parts:

Jenny Chase, a solar market analyst at BNF, about the dramatic rise of solar power in Pakistan. Despite scant government support, Pakistan has rapidly adopted solar energy, moving from importing a few gigawatts of solar modules in 2022 to becoming one of the largest markets. This development has led to economic and infrastructural challenges, such as grid reliability and pricing issues, and raises important questions about the future of energy systems globally.

The episode also features a conversation with Australia-based climate journalist Royce Kurmelovs, who writes for Drilled and Reneweconomy as well as many others, about a recent significant legal ruling in Australia where indigenous Torres Strait Islanders sued the government over climate change threats to their homeland. While the court recognized climate change as an existential threat, it ruled against the plaintiffs due to current legal limitations, highlighting the ongoing legal and moral challenges in climate responsibility.

00:00 Introduction to Pakistan's Solar Energy Surge

00:09 Global Perspectives and Future Trends

00:33 Australia's Energy Ambitions vs. Reality

02:24 Unreported Solar Installations in Pakistan

03:37 Economic Implications of Solar Adoption

04:49 Government Contracts and Energy Prices

16:07 Global Perspectives and Future Trends

19:39 Discussion on Pakistan's Progress

19:44 Jenny Chase's Upcoming Leave

20:41 Introduction to Climate Cases in Australia

21:42 Details of the Torres Strait Case

23:29 Impacts on Torres Strait Islands

25:14 Legal and Cultural Implications

28:37 Global Context and Comparisons

40:42 Australia's Climate Policy and Politics

Follow Jenny:

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🔗 Jenny Chase on LinkedIn

🌐 Follow Royce:

“Court agrees climate change is real, but throws out Torres Strait Islanders’ claim anyway” (RenewEconomy)

Also check out his most recent book: Slick: Australia’s Toxic Relationship with Big Oil

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Thick ice caps topping some dormant volcanoes may be acting like a champagne cork. Research released earlier this month suggests that by speeding up the melt of those ice caps through human-caused climate change, we’re removing the foil and the little wire cage on some trapped liquid that will taste a bit more acidic than champagne when it gets out as the cork tries to free itself.

Bob Berwyn has reported for a decade for Inside Climate News - the OG climate outlet that in 2015 broke the story of the biggest corporate scandal in history: a nine-part investigative series demonstrating how much #ExxonKnew about the effects that burning oil and other fossil fuels would have on the future climate, and then doing everything in its power to prevent anyone from stopping it.

Bob’s piece on the volcano research stopped me in my tracks. As he said in this conversation:

“the most profound thing about a study like this volcano study … is how profoundly we're changing fundamental parts of the global Earth system. I mean, we're sitting here talking about things like, ‘wow, could our activities actually cause more volcanoes?’ I mean, just the fact that we're asking this question is, ‘wow, what have we done?’ You know?”

In This Conversation

01:33 Scientific Insights on Volcanic Activity

05:20 Challenges in Climate Research

12:09 Global Climate Negotiations

20:12 Heatwaves and Public Health

23:54 Legal and Ethical Responsibilities

24:36 The Reality of Heat Waves and Their Deadly Impact

26:13 The Political Project Against Climate Science

27:07 Social Science and Climate Action

28:58 The Anti-Autocracy Handbook for Scientists

31:02 Free Speech and Authoritarianism

34:25 The Role of Legal Obligations in Climate Justice

37:05 Public Perception and Managed Retreat

40:37 Final Thoughts and Upcoming Stories

Keep Up With Bob

Bob is an essential follow on BlueSky, and his journalism for Inside Climate News does not quit. Here are links to just some of the stories we touched on:

Melting Ice Caps Could Bring Dormant Volcanoes to Life

Human-Caused Global Warming Spiked the Death Toll of Europe’s Early Summer Heatwave

New Handbook Aims to Protect Scientists From Autocratic Threats

Bonn Climate Talks Rife With Roadblocks and Dead Ends

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It Bad

Last week, a catastrophic flood hit Kerr County, Texas. 30 cm of rain—four months' worth—fell in hours. The Guadalupe River rose 8 metres in under an hour, swamping the area around Camp Mystic. Over 90 are dead, many of them young girls at the camp. Some are still missing.

Cue the blame game. Officials who refused to fund early warning systems claimed the event was unpredictable. Trump-era cuts had gutted the National Weather Service, yet some still pointed fingers at the agency. Others called it karmic justice or MAGA-targeted weather warfare. Conspiracy theorists went further, blaming imaginary geoengineering attacks. Marjorie Taylor-Greene tweeted: “We must end the dangerous and deadly practice of weather modification and geoengineering.”

Right-wing extremists, already attacking Doppler radar sites, turn tragedy into paranoia. In past hurricanes, conspiracy-fueled threats forced rescue crews to withdraw.Rapid attribution studies confirm what should be obvious: climate change makes these once-rare floods far more likely.

OK Doomer

In a now-notorious quote, Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki said “it’s too late.” Critics pounced, accusing him of defeatism. But, as we discuss with Gaia Vince, the real issue isn’t optimism vs pessimism—it’s whether we’re brave enough to face what’s actually happening.

After decades in media and PR, I can tell when people are dodging the truth—even for good reasons. In climate comms, there’s a lot of that. But we try something different here: saying what we think is true, even if it’s hard to hear.

On the Move

Gaia Vince has been writing about climate and migration for over a decade. In Nomad Century, she argues:

• Migration is a natural response to climate change—always has been.
• By 2070, up to 3 billion people may need to move as habitable zones shrink.
• Governments that prepare for this now will fare better than those that deny it.

The book isn’t dystopian; it’s clear-eyed and pragmatic. It insists we have a choice: chaos, or planned adaptation.

In This Conversation

01:54 Climate Change’s Global Reach

04:24 The Reality of Climate Migration

09:24 Political Responses to Climate Change

10:44 Economic Implications and Adaptation

21:57 Innovative Solutions and Future Outlook

26:10 Australia and Tuvalu

27:06 UN, Sovereignty, and Vanishing Nations

29:00 Climate Refugees

30:05 Early Agreements

30:56 Adaptation and Relocation

34:21 Facing the Climate Reality

46:55 Can Global Governance Step Up?

Get the Book

Nomad Century: How to Survive the Climate Upheaval remains one of the most honest, practical guides to climate adaptation out there. Listen to the conversation—and get the book.

Tips, Bribes, and Abuse

Guest idea? Want to help us do more of this? Or just dying to tell us how crap we are? Reach out on Bluesky or email us at info@wickedproblems.uk—and maybe stand us a pint.

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Is the “Abundance” discourse - and you can fit most iterations of it in a spectrum from Aaron Bastani and Zohran Mamdani to Ezra Klein to Elon Musk - an inspiring vision of the future or a dangerous delusion? Is insisting on “limits” just realism or is it pathological pessimism? And where does climate tech fit into all that?

We think the answers to these questions are kind of important. So we were excited to talk it through onstage at Extreme Hangout during London Climate Action Week at Ladbroke Hall; with climate tech entrepreneur Yasmine Abdu, co-founder of Fridays for the Future Michael Spiekermann, and BP exec to sustainability strategist Charles Perry.

Enjoy!

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02:27 Michael Speakman's Journey from Activism to Policy

03:36 Yasin Abdu's Carbon Track Initiative

04:51 Discussion on Abundance vs. Limits

15:19 Charles Perry on the Stellar Vision

24:30 Debating the Future of Energy and Policy

28:18 Reconciling System Change and Longevity

28:44 Building an Ecosystem of Corporate Support

29:39 Avoiding Venture Capital for Mission-Driven Impact

30:58 Choosing Entrepreneurship Over Activism

32:18 The Power of Bottom-Up Movements

37:31 Identifying the Villain in Climate Narratives

50:29 Hope and the Global Sustainability Revolution

52:45 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

All the Outros

Many thanks to our panel and our partners at Extreme Hangout for bringing us on to their stage!

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How am I gonna be an optimist about this? This conversation’s official exit music is from Bastille. But stick around for a twist.

Turns out it’s not just men who think about the Roman Empire.

Polymath raconteuse Solitaire Townsend - sustainability consultant, co-founder of Futerra, UN envoy, award-winning author of the non-fiction The Solutionists - wasn’t just thinking about Rome. She’s wondering, ‘what if I combine some Roman Empire stuff with climate fiction in an alt-history universe in a novel featuring a kick-arse heroine?’ And gets herself a two-book deal.

Pre-order Godstorm from our Bookshop.org site or wherever you get good books.

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As a cli-fi/alt-history nerd with shelves stuffed with riffs on Rome from Gibbon to Mary Beard with stops for Asimov’s Foundation series, I cannot tell you how pleased I am to be the first to introduce Solitaire Townsend as “novelist” on a podcast.

We talk about her turn to fiction, why now, why the alt-history genre, kick around ideas about alt-history from Philip K. Dick to Star Trek (with some Ursula le Guin because why not), and how she deploys the form to tell a cautionary tale about a world that could have been a lot worse off in its climate breakdown — where Rome never fell, because of the 2nd-century CE invention of the combustion engine.

As Solitaire says, if we started burning oil under Marcus Aurelius, climate change would have started much sooner. The warming and rising seas fuel extreme weather events called “God-storms”, caused - according to the Imperial version of Fox News - by lack of piety.

Most of that is in the background only creating the more personal, intimate world in which her characters struggle - including a gladatrix-turned-governess seeking to rescue her charge from nefarious clutches and kicking serious arse along the way.

In Conversation

00:28 First Podcast as a Novelist

00:56 Pitching 'Godstorm'

02:18 Background and Career of Solitaire Townsend

02:37 Solitaire, Sustainability Caesaris

04:01 Nonfiction Writing Journey

05:49 Role of Storytelling in Social Change

07:22 Transition to Fiction Writing

08:14 Discovering a Passion for Writing

10:24 Exploring Alternate History

14:05 Speculative Fiction and Personal Interests

17:26 Themes and Inspirations for 'God Storm'

20:14 Character Development and Empathy

22:14 Reflections on Ursula Le Guin and Sci-Fi

27:21 Conclusion and Book Pre-Order Information

Pre-order Godstorm from our Bookshop.org site.

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In 2024, Wim Carton and Andreas Malm released Overshoot - How the World Surrendered to Climate Breakdown. It was praised and critiqued in various quarters - but we included it in our books of the year because it’s a) beautifully written - with plenty of lateral-thought LOLs and b) was perfectly timed to come out just as the data was increasingly at odds with the “Keep 1.5 Alive” stuff of “incantatory governance” - the magical thinking that seems to be a really complicated way of avoiding some obvious, but difficult, choices. But Overshoot was just the first half of a 2-parter.

In the final part, out in October, The Long Heat - Climate Politics When It’s Too Late, Carton and Malm take up the challenge about what to do about it. Will adaptation, carbon dioxide removals, and geoengineering be topics seriously engaged with? Or will they just be a new version of finding ways to avoid the fossil fuels “stranded assets” conversation we’ve avoided having for 35 years of climate politics?

In this conversation, we spend a lot of time talking about carbon dioxide removal (CDR) technologies, revealing their roots in extending fossil fuel use, and argues for the necessity of political change to make meaningful progress.

But we ended up in an unexpected place. The book, surprisingly to me when I read it, concludes (however reluctantly) that CDR is going to be necessary. But that it needs to be decoupled from a system full of perverse incentives and moral hazard on meth and towards a re-framing of CDR as a public good.

What’s in the Conversation

00:00 Introduction and Opening Remarks

00:17 Host Introduction and Upcoming Events

02:27 Guest Introduction: Wim Carton

04:48 Discussing 'Overshoot' and Climate Politics

06:13 The Role of Fossil Fuel Companies

16:38 Adaptation Strategies and Challenges

18:43 Technological Solutions and Their Limits

20:07 Carbon Dioxide Removal (CDR)

20:51 The Concept of Negative Magic

21:41 Problematizing Reversibility

22:43 Political Economy of Carbon Dioxide Removal

24:08 Klaus Lachner and Carbon Removal

28:05 Startups and the Political Economy

31:07 Challenges in Carbon Removal Market

35:36 The Role of the State in Carbon Removal

40:12 Concluding Thoughts and Future Discussions

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Next episode out very soon is with Solitaire Townsend - talking about her debut novel - a cli-fi/alt-history/Roman-Empire mashup - Godstorm. What if Rome invented the combustion engine, so it never fell?

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Join host Richard Delevan on Wicked Problems as he engages in a compelling conversation with Indian journalist Rishika Pardikar. They discussed Rishika's extensive work covering environmental and land rights issues in India, including her stories from the coalfields of Central India and the impacts of major development projects on tribal lands. Rishika shares insights into India's complex climate and energy landscape, the challenges of effective climate reporting, and the cultural intricacies of her homeland. And what Western climate narratives keep getting wrong about India - and what they might learn by listening to voices like Rishika's.

00:58 Meet Rashika Kar: Environmental Journalist

01:47 Rishika's Journey into Environmental Reporting

02:21 Land Rights and Tribal Communities

03:24 Mega Projects on Tribal Lands

05:06 Challenges in Reporting from India

11:56 India's Coal Belt and Energy Transition

16:59 The Future of Energy in India

22:51 The Efficiency of Indian Appliances

24:00 The Politics of Climate Science

24:36 Challenges in India's Forecasting Capabilities

27:54 The Intersection of Religion and Science

28:53 Controversial Studies and Their Implications

32:01 The Role of Journalism in Climate Action

36:36 India's Climate Action Plans

40:10 Future Reporting and Closing Thoughts

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Judges flew to Peru, took testimony from dozens of experts, heard the defence by RWE. And as their press release noted, the claim in its particulars was dismissed:

Climate case against RWE: Hamm Higher Regional Court rejects Peruvian plaintiff’s appeal as unfounded

The court held there was “no imminent danger” to Saul’s farm.

But that’s not the whole story. As an Ancient Greek king supposedly once said: “If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined.” Because in its 25th May ruling the court also held - for the first time, anywhere - that fossil fuel emitters can be held accountable financially for damages, anywhere.

Three days later, as if to make a point, the Swiss village of Blatten 500 miles south of Hamm in Germany was destroyed by a glacial collapse. One person was reported missing - but most of the area’s 300 residents had been moved out of danger in time.

So is the RWE case a blow to climate litigation or is it a Pyrrhic victory that could set in motion a whole range of new claims that could run to the tens of trillions of dollars, in the kind of law case even Americans can understand: “You broke my fence, you pay to fix the fence.” Or in this case: “You broke my climate.”

Dana Drugmand covers climate cases around the world and we talked about the precedent this might set - and we also discuss some of her coverage of plenty of other US climate cases that continue to roll on despite the best efforts of the Trump Administration and oil & gas companies to stop them.

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In this Conversation

00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome

00:31 Overview of Climate Litigation

01:51 The German Court Ruling: Saul Luciano Lliuya vs. RWE

02:39 Significance of the RWE Case

06:37 Implications for Global Climate Litigation

10:15 US Climate Lawsuits: Boulder, Colorado vs. Exxon and Suncor

14:37 Federal Preemption and State Law Claims

15:43 Hawaii's Climate Deception Case

17:23 Trump Administration's Legal Counterattacks

22:14 Youth Climate Lawsuit: Lighthouse Review vs. Trump

23:47 Montana's Constitutional Right to a Healthy Environment

25:19 Challenges in Federal Court

27:14 The Role of Climate Litigation in the US

30:17 California's Clean Air Act Battle

31:56 Conclusion and Future Outlook

It’s a good listen - and if you’re a subscriber you can find links to get these episodes ad-free at wickedproblems.earth.

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I have a confession to make. Even with a self-image as a world-weary cynic, I’m as vulnerable to manipulation as anyone else, especially for stories I grew up with.

The Limits to Growth came out the year I was born. I grew up in the US in the 80s. So we heard a lot of things like this:

So even though I’m late to it, I was delighted to have come across the work of Katy Shields, who presents (and co-produced with Vegard Beyer) a beautifully executed 3-episode audio documentary series about Limits to Growth, which makes its principal author Danella Meadows the main character.

Hearing Katy’s telling of the story of this extraordinary woman who tried to warn us against the future we now inhabit, often in her own words - thanks to an unpublished book outline by Danella to which Katy got exclusive access - made me a bit embarrassed to have previously accepted the bracketing of Limits to Growth in the same category of far more problematic stuff like Malthus, Ehrlich’s The Population Bomb or (the MAGA-right fave) Jean Raspail’s dystopian novel The Camp of the Saints. Many such works seem not so troubled by population growth per se as much as the hue of the babies being produced.

While I’m not completely convinced by the arguments Meadows made and Katy Shields/Vegard Beyer excavated and made fresh, Katy does have an excellent series of essays where she takes forward the thinking of Meadows et al as a way to investigate how economics was hijacked by the opponents of Limits to Growth.

In this Conversation

00:00 Introduction: Questioning Growth

00:32 Meet the Guest: Katy Shields

02:21 Discovering 'Limits to Growth'

04:38 The Impact of Systems Dynamics

07:30 Critiques and Misunderstandings

09:37 Danella Meadows' Influence

11:23 Uncovering Unpublished Diaries

14:43 Life on Foundation Farm

18:51 Economic Theories and Climate Inaction

19:12 The Abundance vs. Scarcity Debate

20:08 Historical Influence on Modern Economics

21:41 The Chicago School's Dominance

23:26 Challenges in Modern Economic Education

28:54 Donella Meadows' Legacy

31:15 Visioning a Sustainable Future

34:34 Future Directions and Final Thoughts

At the top of the episode we clip a 1994 speech by Danella Meadows that is an extraordinary few minutes that seem to foreshadow the ‘abundance discourse’ currently all the rage on the centre-left.

Which is not actually to shame those who, I believe in good faith, believe that ‘perpetual growth’ is the only potential solution to the challenges of the mid-21st century.

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Exit music for this episode is “Oil Money” by Graham Barham. Because, well, it’s a bit obvious this time, no?

If insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result, global climate institutions like the annual COP meetings are definitionally loopier than Elon Musk deep down a K-hole.

We spend our time arguing about how to count emissions in order to avoid the real conversation, which is a struggle between three asset classes: fossil fuel assets, ‘vulnerable’ assets (like Small Island Developing States), and ‘green’ assets. Pretending that struggle is not existential is the essence of climate diplomacy for the past 35 years.

University of Toronto political scientist Professor Jessica Green thinks we’re well past the point we can afford to continue pretending. Reading her forthcoming book, Existential Politics - Why Global Climate Institutions are Failing and How to Fix Them, was like waking from a dream. You should pre-order it now.

She cuts through the nonsense to focus on the real dilemma. The only way through an “energy transition” is for fossil fuel companies, enormously powerful economic and political actors, to have $trillions in ‘stranded assets’ and balance sheets that go up in smoke.

Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas (an idiomatic expression I’m pleased to be the first to share with Prof. Green). Yet the entire structure of global climate diplomacy is built on the fallacy that, somehow, oil majors and NOCs would ignore their self-interest and agree to die.

As you’ll hear in our conversation, Prof. Green doesn’t pull punches and doesn’t suffer fools. There’s an impatience in her writing and her presentation that has a lot of James Dyke “fuck this noise can we please stop kidding ourselves” energy. At some points I wanted to reach for the hemlock, but thankfully she is as witty as she is sharp.

I ask her how her ideas intersect or cut against other critiques of the mainstream climate conversation like Andreas Malm and Wim Carton in Overshoot, Rupert Read’s take on transformative adaptation and Tadzio Mueller’s anticipation of collapse.

I think you’ll enjoy the chat. Let us know what you think:

In this Conversation

01:48 Existential Politics Explained

04:18 The Flaws in Carbon Markets

05:47 Distributional Politics and Climate Policy

08:36 The Role of Corporations in Climate Governance

10:49 The Paris Agreement and Its Shortcomings

19:26 The Misconception of Solving Climate Change Like the Ozone Problem

20:54 Environmental Effects and Substitutes

22:04 Challenges in Environmental Governance

22:57 Market Dynamics and Trade Issues

25:03 Fossil Capital vs. Green Capital

28:31 The Role of Litigation and Policy

37:11 Grand Bargains and Political Realities

38:21 Carbon Capture and Storage Debate

40:26 Buy this Book!

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How do things get names? Who decides? What happens if they’re contested? Does it matter?

A brand, a label, a name, the words applied to people, places, or things change how an audience feels, and influences outcomes.

“Call me Ishmael”, “deadnaming”, or try using the wrong place-name depending on what bank of the River Foyle in Northern Ireland you find yourself, and see how that goes. On the other hand, if your company so dominates your category that your brand becomes a verb, like Hoover. But in the internet age the process happens much faster — see Google, Uber, Tinder.

As for people and companies, a tricker object is a whole category. Successfully dominating a category - even if you have to invent one - is, according to Silicon Valley investors like Peter “Competition is for Losers” Thiel, the only type of strategy worth pursuing. And often that will involve getting the name of the category right - some magical combination of things already in the zeitgeist, something that chimes with the audience/customer/media without them consciously knowing why.

The idea of whether businesses are in a category called “cleantech” or “climate tech” or “defence tech” or “fintech” does matter, I’d argue.

So I asked Art Lapinsch, a startup founder with a successful exit turned climate communications guru and energy lawyer. Now writing a lot of smart stuff on the subject in his new consultancy Delphi Zero, I wanted to return to the “is ‘climate tech’ dead?” debate.

But Lapinsch’s bio itself would be enough to want to hear him - going from fleeing civil war in the former Yugoslavia to adtech startup founder to turning to climate solutions ventures and how they should tell their stories. You’re going to enjoy getting to know him. I certainly did. And he was a good sport when dog-related imminent disaster required putting him on hold for a minute. Don’t worry. There’s good interval music for the occasion.

In this Conversation

00:00 Introduction to Climate Tech Narratives

01:17 Meet Art Lapinsch: Background and Mission

02:36 Personal Impact of Global Events

03:03 Delving into Energy Security

04:28 The Evolution of Climate Tech

08:32 Communication Strategies in Business

17:49 The Role of Neologisms in Industry

21:38 Ethics and Communication

22:05 Defining Neologisms and Ethical Communication

22:41 The Venn of Profit, Legality, and Ethics

23:50 Ethical Communication Techniques

25:36 Political Communication and Climate Founders

27:15 Common Mistakes in Branding and Communication

30:11 Navigating Venture Capital Challenges

35:32 Personal Reflections on Risk and Resilience

40:46 Final Thoughts and Future Projects

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“More clean energy. More affordable energy. That dual mandate is the real challenge.” 

In this episode, Richard Delevan talks to Cat Clifford, senior reporter at Cipher News, about what happens when data center demand collides with outdated policy, broken infrastructure, and an AI arms race nobody can afford to lose.

We go deep into Cat’s reporting on:

AI’s Ballooning Electricity Appetite

– Why AI is driving the biggest spike in electricity demand in a generation

– The paradox of AI as a climate solution—if it’s powered cleanly

– The unknowables: how big, how fast, and how chaotic?

The Nuclear-Tech Bromance

– Why big tech is cozying up to small modular reactors (SMRs)

– Who’s bankrolling the nuclear revival—and who might get burned

– The role of always-on baseload in the age of AI factories

Geothermal’s Promised Land

– Advanced geothermal’s bipartisan political appeal

– Why it’s ideal for U.S. energy dominance—but underfunded

– Will Congress rewrite the tax credit rules in time to matter?

Texas, Tariffs, and Transmission

– What just happened in the Texas Legislature—and why it matters beyond Texas

– How tariffs whiplashed investor confidence in solar and AI supply chains

– Why permitting reform—and grid expansion—are stuck

Politics, 2026, and the Price of Power

– What voters will care about: the cost of energy

– Who pays to keep the lights on in the AI age?

– What the fight over IRA tax credits tells us about the Senate’s climate future

Quote of the Episode:

“If the U.S. is serious about the AI race, solar and storage are the only near-term way to meet demand. Everyone’s going to have to compromise.”

Further Reading:

• Cat Clifford at Cipher
• Cat Clifford on LinkedIn
• Cat Clifford on BlueSky

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In this episode we talk about climate tech in the age of AI, state failure, and the occasional aircraft powered by poop. In this episode, Canadian climate futurist and returning champion Michael Barnard joins us for a globe-spanning conversation about why he’s still cautiously optimistic — and why, if you’re only paying attention to the U.S. or Europe, you’re probably looking the wrong way.

In Conversation

· Pakistan's rooftop solar revolution: how a glut of Chinese panels and uncoordinated net metering turned into 22 GW of grassroots decarbonization in a single year.

· Ports, poop, and power: what district heating, sewage sludge, and whiz-powered planes tell us about what works — and what’s quietly already scaling.

· China’s decarbonization surprise: Michael walks us through why China’s emissions have actually started to fall, why Western media missed it, and why most U.S. industrial policy is a “radically stupid” own-goal.

· The end of American credibility: on failed trade narratives, disappearing clean energy investment, and the strategic competence of the so-called Global South.

· Three technologies to watch: Geothermal heat-as-a-service, waste-based sustainable aviation fuels, and electrified ports as power utilities of the future.

Timeline

02:28 Optimism in the Face of Climate Challenges

05:08 Pakistan's Energy Transformation

14:16 Leapfrogging in the Global South

21:23 China's Role in Global Emissions Reduction

27:08 The Rise of the Electro State

28:33 China's Dominance in Critical Minerals

29:37 Globalism and Neoliberalism: A Mixed Bag

30:42 The Market Economy's Failures

32:13 Technology Diffusion and Industrial Policy

34:48 The United States' Broken Industrial Policy

43:04 Geothermal Energy Innovations

46:04 Sustainable Aviation Fuel from Waste

49:35 The Future of Electrified Ports

Further Reading

* CarbonBrief on China's emissions drop

* Jenny Chase (BNEF) on Pakistan’s rooftop solar boom

* Barnard on ports and maritime decarbonisation

* Sustainable Aviation Fuels from Human Waste

* The Dawn of Everything by Graeber & Wengrow

* Trifecta Ireland – new NGO for clean, secure, affordable energy

* Kingsmill Bond (Ember) on the rise of the Electrostate v Petrostate

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Mic Wright is the madman media survivor behind one of this show’s second-favourite newsletter, Conquest of the Useless . So when we heard he has a new book out in a couple of weeks we were delighted he could give us a few minutes to talk meeja matters in the age of AI and climate consequences.

Breaking: How the Media Works, When it Doesn’t and Why that Matters - despite my inability to stop obsessing about whether it is missing an Oxford comma in the title - is the magnum opus of Britain’s best observer of all things media since Christopher Hitchens went from Trot to Neocon.

Two years before the Brexit referendum, a year long inquiry by a UK parliamentary select committee concluded that BBC news teams consistently engaged in false balance when reporting on climate change stories. So for a senior news journalist to suggest that they weren't familiar with the concept felt like a very stark confession.

Head back even further to the misty, almost unimaginable, past of 2006, and you find Rob Corddry on the Daily Show, parodying journalists who bent over backwards to establish balance where there is none:

“How does one report the facts? When the facts themselves are biased from the names of our fallen soldiers to the gradual withdrawal of our allies to the growing insurgency, it's become all too clear that the facts in Iraq have an anti-Bush agenda.”

Meatless speech was rightly praised for highlighting the influence of Conservative Party appointees on the BBC, but it also contained a series of confessions about missing the elephant in the room. Even as the stench of dung must have been stifling.

In Conversation

00:35 Introducing Mic Wright

01:31 Technical Challenges and Interview Preview

03:13 Mic Wright's Dramatic Reading

04:16 Discussion on False Balance in Journalism

13:07 The Rise of Churnalism

15:14 Media Ownership and Influence

19:39 Tech Enthusiasm and AI in Journalism

32:14 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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As we talked about with folk from Carbon Technology Research Foundation and Robert Höglund last week, Carbon Dioxide Removal (CDR) is going through some things. The Trump administration is slashing funding for Direct Air Capture (DAC) hubs, poster child CDR firm Climeworks is laying off 20% of staff and stands accused of overpromising an underdelivering on removals.

But in a week when a Swiss village was wiped off the map by a collapsing glacier, and the World Meteorological Organisation predicted we’re likely facing years of staying at 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels - the existential threshold for small island states they demanded be included in the Paris Agreement - the need to find ways to take greenhouse gases out of the air (while electrifying and decarbonising) has not gone away.

Cara Maesano has one of the most comprehensive views of the state of CDR technologies as the head of CDR research at RMI. Recent reports she helped craft point out pragmatic opportunities for joined-up thinking by integrating carbon removals in industry and agriculture - and even using captured carbon in building materials.

In Conversation

01:30 Challenges in the Direct Air Capture Sector

07:54 Exploring Different Carbon Removal Technologies

12:06 Industrial Carbon Removal Opportunities

23:40 Industry Partnerships for Carbon Removal

24:03 Economic Benefits of Carbon Removal

25:41 Momentum in Climate Action

27:50 Innovative Building Materials for Carbon Storage

32:44 Engaging Stakeholders in Carbon Removal

33:28 Highlighting Successful Carbon Removal Projects

35:13 Challenges and Opportunities in Policy and Regulation

37:25 The Ongoing Climate Conversation

38:52 Connecting Climate Solutions Across Sectors

42:20 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Further Reading

RMI: Seizing the Industrial Carbon Removal Opportunity

RMI: Harnessing Carbon Removal Opportunities in Biomass Residue Building Products

The CO280 project Cara mentioned at a pulp and paper mill

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Why is it, every time the lights go out, anywhere in the world, there are ten influencers with pre-written posts about how it’s the fault of wind and solar on the grid? 

Whether it’s Spain in 2025 or Texas in 2021 or the UK in 2019 or South Australia in 2016 - before the lights are even back on, never mind an investigation, there is a lightning-fast squad of people who pop up on social media, in TV interviews, in newspaper columns, who claim with absolutely certainty that it was renewables. It was too much wind. Or too little wind. Or not enough sun. Or too much sun. Or all of the above - often in the same interview. 

It doesn’t need to make logical sense. It just needs to tickle your cortisol and dopamine receptors. 

Even if it affects the public debate - does it prevent steel going into the ground to build out more solar and wind in these places? And if it hasn’t to date, is that what's about to happen in Texas?

Legendary climate and energy analyst Ketan Joshi returns to the show to hash out the whys and wherefores of it all. And what we might do about taking some of that pollution out of our information environment.

Plus an unscheduled special guest appearance from our dogs.

01:22 The 2016 Australian Blackout 

02:17 Media's Role in Renewable Energy Perception 

04:37 Technical Details of the Blackout 

07:02 Public Reaction and Misunderstandings 

11:24 Comparing Global Blackouts 

13:27 The Role of Disinformation 

18:16 Future of Renewable Energy and Grid Management 

37:02 Meet the Dogs 

37:59 Discussing Pre-Bunking 

40:05 Wind Turbine Health Fears 

45:03 Texas Renewable Energy Growth 

52:23 Bluesky's Future 

Read Ketan’s Stuff 

His analysis in RenewEconomy. 

Windfall

Quote by Akshat Rathi in Bloomberg

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Join host Richard Delevan on this episode of Wicked Problems - Climate Tech Conversations as he explores the future of carbon removal technology during Carbon Removals Week. Featuring Philippa Amina and Luke Williams from the Carbon Technology Research Foundation (CTRF), the discussion delves into the challenges and opportunities in the field of carbon dioxide removal (CDR). Topics include the role of diversified approaches, including nature-based solutions and marine carbon sequestration, the importance of transparency and trust, and the funding conundrum in current climate research. Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation on scalable solutions for a sustainable future.

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:46 Guest Introductions and Background

02:21 Discussion on Carbon Removals

03:58 Challenges and Perspectives in Carbon Removal

07:37 CTRF's Approach and Projects

16:13 Funding and Future of Carbon Removal Research

29:13 Conclusion and Contact Information

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“It’ll be between a scalpel and a sledgehammer,” said Speaker Mike Johnson, describing how Republicans might gut clean energy in the Inflation Reduction Act. After last night’s vote, it looks more like a wrecking ball.

In this episode, we talk to Maeve Allsup of Latitude Media about the damage now unfolding in Washington. From the brain drain at the Department of Energy to chaos around clean energy tax credits, Maeve has been tracking the story from inside the industry.

We also dig into the turmoil in carbon removal. Climeworks, the biggest name in the sector, is laying off staff and scaling back its US expansion. Critics are calling it the “Theranos” of climate. Is it? We speak with Robert Höglund of CDR.fyi and Milkywire, who says this is just the next phase of the hype cycle—and points to a Carbon Gap paper that helps separate signal from noise.

Cuts to clean energy. Turmoil in tech. A moment of clarity—or collapse?

And a farewell to Norm.

01:26 Tribute to George Wendt 

02:14 Elon Musk at the Qatar Economic Forum 

04:53 Interview with Robert Höglund on Carbon Removals 

05:31 Challenges in the Carbon Removal Industry 

13:19 The Gartner Hype Cycle and Carbon Removal 1

7:08 Policy and Market Dynamics 

21:49 Global Perspectives on Carbon Removal 

28:59 Interview with Maeve Alsup on Washington Developments 

30:49 Clean Tech Investments and Uncertainties 

36:00 Geographical Distribution of IRA Investments 

37:02 Surprising Early Drafts and Nuclear Concerns 

38:19 Geothermal and Tax Credit Challenges 

40:23 Uncertainty in Clean Energy Projects 

45:01 Department of Energy and Staff Resignations 

52:43 Loan Programs Office Under Scrutiny

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Exploring Climate Geoengineering: An Urgent Discussion with Kelly Wanser

In this episode of Wicked Problems, host Richard Delevan sits down with Kelly Wanser, CEO of SilverLining, to delve into the critical topic of solar radiation modification (SRM) and geoengineering aka "climate interventions". Amidst a backdrop of growing climate risk and global warming, the conversation emphasizes the importance of robust scientific data and the various efforts to advance research in the atmospheric sciences. They discuss the evolving landscape of climate interventions, recent policy developments, and the vital role of both public and private sectors. The dialogue also touches on historical context, international cooperation, and the potential implications of stratospheric changes on our planet's future climate stability.

00:00 Introduction: The Need for More Data

00:41 Welcome to Wicked Problems

00:44 Recent Developments in Climate Interventions

02:21 The Importance of Measuring Atmospheric Changes

03:17 Historical Context: The Value of Knowing

04:16 Current Challenges in Atmospheric Research

06:15 Interview with Kelly Wanser

08:05 The State of Atmospheric Research Infrastructure

10:29 The Role of Policy and International Cooperation

14:40 The Future of Climate Research and Security

23:30 Balancing Public and Private Sector Roles

28:37 The Bull Case for Global Involvement

30:46 The Bear Case: Risks and Concerns

34:40 The Role of Open Science and Collaboration

40:13 Private Sector Involvement in Climate Research

46:06 Complexities of Atmospheric Interventions

52:08 Concluding Thoughts and Future Outlook

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In this episode of 'Wicked Problems,' host Richard Delevan discusses the shift from climate optimism to defeatism with Jeremy Wallace, a China and climate policy expert at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS). The discussion covers various factors influencing this shift, including the influence of political figures like Donald Trump and Tony Blair, and initiatives such as the Council on Foreign Relations' Climate Realism Initiative. Wallace critiques the initiative's approach, examining its reliance on lifeboat ethics and the fallacies it presents. The episode also touches on the historical context of climate debates, the role of China in clean technology, and the political complexities surrounding climate action. Additionally, the episode features a new intro track from the awesome up and coming UK band Suncharmer.

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:24 The Shift from Optimism to Defeatism

02:22 Council on Foreign Relations' Climate Realism Initiative

03:31 Interview with Jeremy Wallace

22:13 The Lifeboat Ethics Debate

26:35 Debating Consumption and Population Growth

27:07 The Vision of Clean Abundance

28:04 Scarcity vs. Sustainable Abundance

29:41 Climate Realism and Technological Beliefs

31:07 Challenges and Politics of Climate Action

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Today’s outro track is the COVID-era reboot of a classic Peter Gabriel track, featuring Yo-Yo Ma, Angelique Kidjo, and many more. The reason will become clear.

In this episode of Wicked Problems, we sat down with Charles Perry, director of Sustainable Future for All, at the Conduit Club in London.

A veteran in the climate and sustainability space, Charles has changed his views from evolution to revolution - a climate revolution akin to the Industrial Revolution. He reflects on his experiences spearheading renewable initiatives at BP, working with Al Gore, and advocating for justice-integrated environmental concerns.

What set him on the path? A realisation once he left apartheid South Africa for university that the things he was taught were not necessarily how the world really was. That moment took him to anti-apartheid activism in South Africa and its democratic transition to climate advocacy and the need for a different paradigm on energy.

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His direction of travel has been clear for a while - in that climate isn’t (just) a tech issue, but one as inextricably tied up with justice as the move was from slavery to fossil fuels.

That kind of talk has gotten Charles into some bother before. Like his 2012 BBC interview with Jon Sopel that we clip in the ep.

The conversation also explores Perry’s views on the moral imperatives of climate action, the obstacles posed by current political and economic systems, and the roles of influential leaders like Nelson Mandela and Al Gore in shaping his philosophy on sustainability.

00:00 The Need for a New Revolution

00:43 Introduction to Charles Perry

01:02 Challenges in Climate Tech and Sustainability

01:15 Charles Perry's Journey and Career

01:52 Reflections on Working with BP and Al Gore

10:58 The Intersection of Justice and Environmental Concerns

18:47 The Unstoppable Sustainability Movement

21:46 The Future of Energy and Sustainability

25:19 Final Thoughts and Inspirations

29:54 Conclusion and Call to Action

All the Outros

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In this episode of Wicked Problems, host Richard Delevan brings discussions from the Climate Impact Flagship Summit in London. The episode features key guests like Carrie Lovelace and Chris Hayes from Visions 2030, who discuss their ambitious project aimed at fostering eco-consciousness through immersive experiences. Also included are insights from Belinda Perryman of Convert Well, who talks about transitioning oil and gas expertise to carbon sequestration and hydrogen production. Several other industry experts weigh in on the state of climate tech innovation, challenges in commercialization, and policy implications.

01:51 Visions 2030 and Experiential Projects

04:54 Carrie Lovelace's Artistic Journey

10:54 Eco-Consciousness and Climate Solutions

17:06 Future Plans for Visions 2030

23:00 Climate Impact Flagship Summit Highlights

29:14 Scaling CT part 2

33:19 System Change and the Green Industrial Revolution

40:40 Insights from the Oil and Gas Industry with Belinda Perriman of ConvertWell

40:45 Belinda Perriman's Journey in Oil and Gas

44:18 Carbon Capture and Storage Projects

50:42 The Convert Well Initiative

55:12 Industry Reception and Future Prospects

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Whether originating with the late Senator John McCain, Paul Newman, Mao, or John McCain quoting Mao, we love that line. 

Embrace the dark. When you stop being afraid of the dark, your eyes get pretty good. 

You might even spot some undead types who are back from the grave and up to no good. And I think there might be some types up to no good, here in Britain. It’s one thing for Nigel Farage to suddenly look odds-on to form the next government here leading Reform UK’s right-populist anti-climate party, should this week’s UK local election results be predictive to the next general election.

The real question is whether the incumbent UK government will stay the course or join the “vibe shift” of deciding there’s short-term political profit in sacrificing long-term climate survival. 

Thankfully, for this third episode of the early May holiday weekend, necessary for the insane news cycle, for these conversations we were joined by Holly Brazier-Tope, deputy director of politics at UK think tank Green Alliance; UK-based climate journalist and 6th-dan-blackbelt Bluesky shitposter Dave Vetter; and 

Adam Bell, director of policy at Stonehaven, a UK consultancy.

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Good news: here in the UK it’s a sunny Friday on the cusp of a bank holiday weekend. 

Bad news: Shiz cray. 

Could go either way: this is one of 3 holiday weekend episodes. 

Definitely good news: Lydia Collas of UK think tank Green Alliance and Rupert Read of Climate Majority Project have incisive analysis of what we’re seeing over here. And we discuss Green Alliance’s analysis of how climate effects are already hitting British household finances, in the wake of the UK Climate Change Committee’s scathing report on climate adaptation. 

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All the Exit Music

Until The Man comes for us we will continue to pair our outstanding theme music licensed from outstanding UK band Suncharmer with an outro that is a form of commentary for each episode. 

Enjoy. 

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We will be back soon with some UK election recap and the ‘vibe shift’ that seems to have gone transatlantic, featuring friends 

Adam Bell, Dave Vetter, and Holly Brazier-Tope from Green Alliance, to talk through the Tony Blair Institute vibe shift, the election of climate deniers into government for the most climate-at-risk areas in the UK, and more. Just to add to the merriment of the nation this bank holiday weekend.

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Exit Music

Today’s exit track is Fiesta by The Pogues - with Tunbridge Wells’ least-known and best-loved frontman, Shane MacGowan.

We’re finishing a long-read and when we say long we mean LONG. But it’s our attempt to get behind the day-to-day reporting of the various machinations of what’s happening in the US and try to understand it by examining the things that have shaped the worldview of the two most influential people on the planet right now. No, we don’t mean The Mad King in the Oval Office. We mean Elon Musk and Peter Thiel. And why it’s time to stop being surprised about what happens next.

Intro

Part I

But we take a break from the American shitshow to focus on something actually important, with our friend Tom Raftery - a transplanted Corkonian living near Seville since 2008. He and his family just lived through the most significant European blackout in decades. And because Tom is a veteran energy and climate analyst, and host of Climate Confident, he can offer a more-than-bystander account of what he was seeing, why he thinks it happened, and what might be done about it in future.

Climate Impact Flagship Summit

And if you’re in the UK next week, and you can stretch to it, you should check out the Climate Impact summit on 7 May at the Royal Institution in London. As always, great lineup of speakers and attendees from the worlds of climate solution tech, investment, policy, and more, plus the craic is ninety. 

A few tickets are still available but they are going fast. If you are going give us a shout so we can meet up when you’re there.

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Outro of the Day

All will become clear.

How F*cked Are We?

NGL. It’s not great, Bob.

That said, if you have even a smidge of privilege at the moment, spending a bit of your time paying attention not just to the moment-to-moment spectacle but what it means - so as to inform how you spend your future time and resource - feels kinda important.

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Dana R Fisher, one of the best American chroniclers of our times, returns to the show to talk through what she’s seeing on the street, in the Academy, and in the grant-making boardrooms, that will affect climate science, and resulting climate solutions, for decades to come.

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It didn’t take a genius to figure out that passing 1.5C would result in previously-taboo ideas like scaling carbon removals and solar geoengineering would rapidly get traction in the mainstream discourse. I know it doesn’t take a genius because I wrote that >18 months ago.

And as my bank manager and inlaws will (eagerly) tell you – “wait you’re quitting corporate... and… just as the political winds turn against it you’re going to…double down on a ‘media thing’ on climate and climate solutions?” – I am not a genius.

One of the nice things about making yourself an outsider is you’re both blithely unaware of the tribal shibboleths you might be violating and just try to follow arguments where they lead.

Anyway, here we are in April 2025 and geoengineering – Solar Radiation Modification, SRM, of whatever flavour, is building up to a moment. We’ve been seeing the signs for a while and you can check out our previous SRM episodes with SilverLining:

and The Degrees Initiative:

…the Bristol-based NGO acting to make sure that any research on solar geoengineering foregrounds actual science from actual scientists working in the actual countries that have the most to lose from both climate change and from solar geoengineering if it goes wrong.

But now we may be headed to a crescendo:

Item: Guardian, 7th April, Britain’s OG climate hawk David King.

Headline: We passed the 1.5C climate threshold. We must now explore extreme options.

Item: Bloomberg, 3rd of April with reporting from Will Matthis:

Headline: UK Launches £10 Million Study on Blocking the Sun to Reverse Global Warming

Item: the EU’s scientific advisors have been pushing for a moratorium on SRM. Tomorrow researchers from a consortium called SRM360 are hosting a panel discussion. Including researchers Peter Irvine from the University of Chicago and Josh Horton of the Harvard Kennedy School of Government. So here’s my interview with them in case you want to check it out and maybe attend the discussion tomorrow.

April 9th, 4:00 pm GMT / 10:00 am ET

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One thing for comms pros: having thought about it, the debate about whether the best analogy is Ozempic or Chemo for geoengineering is timelier than ever. This was a pretty persuasive case that telling people “we need to do this and it’s going to hurt - a lot” might be a wakeup call. But that’s going to become a live debate.

There’s a lot going on, to be sure. And we hope we’re getting the balance right here at wicked problems – we sure would love your feedback to let you know how we can serve you better. And we definitely would love it if you helped spread the word by leaving a rating and review on the pod platform of your choice, or Youtube, and if you’d like the full ad-free experience plus the newsletter and exclusive content come on over to wickedproblems.earth. Most of our stuff is free but we really need your help to keep this going. My inlaws and bank manager thank you in advance.

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Do you need some Zen? I need a bit of that or something, just to get my head right. So we spoke with LaUra Schmidt, one-half of the dynamic duo of climate psychology along with her Good Grief Network co-founder and wife Aimee Lewis Reau, who wrote How to Live in a Chaotic Climate that was published a little over a year ago. And blimey we need more of their coping strategies than we ever thought we would when the book first came out.

We get into climate grief, trauma, and resilience with Schmidt. We argue the challenges of individual versus collective climate action, the science and spiritual dimensions of environmental advocacy, and the importance of community in building resilience.

Schmidt shares insights from her experiences growing up in rural Michigan, studying Buddhism, biology, and environmental science, and her efforts to help people cope with the emotional toll of climate change through the Good Grief Network's 10-step program.

We also touch on the significance of finding meaning, joy, and humor amidst the chaos, while preparing for an uncertain future.

02:12 Conversation with Laura Schmidt

04:53 Laura's Background and Motivations

16:09 The Good Grief Network

24:56 The Long Dark: Seeds of Creativity

25:37 Ancient Wisdom and Cultural Narratives

29:29 Stories of Resilience and Human Agency

31:05 The Role of Community in Modern Times

38:13 Upcoming Events and Final Thoughts

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Join Richard Delevan in this episode of Wicked Problems as he explores the recent Trump tariffs, their impact on global trade, and their parallels with mafia control tactics. He discusses historical examples of mafia extortion in Sicily with Linda Vetrano from the grassroots anti-mafia movement Addiopizzo. Learn about the economic and social consequences of extortion and how communities can resist and build solidarity against such coercive powers. Richard also previews upcoming interviews and topics related to climate stress and solar radiation management.

00:00 The Story of an Entrepreneur's Defiance

00:33 Introduction to Wicked Problems

00:41 Trump Tariffs and Market Reactions

02:37 Understanding the Economic Impact

07:29 Historical Context and Personal Anecdotes

10:20 The Mafia's Influence and Extortion Tactics

11:34 The Birth of the Anti-Mafia Movement

15:44 The Power of Solidarity and Community

30:08 The Success and Expansion of the Movement

37:28 Conclusion and Future Conversations

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It feels like things are coming to a head.

Here in the UK, the tensions between wanting growth and not wanting anything to change are hotting up. 

Adam Bell from Stonehaven UK joined me to talk the implications of Heathrow’s “unusual” substation fire for UK grid investments, Kemi Badenoch’s Net Zero too-clever-by-half turn, and the Abundance debate in which I slightly traduce Dave Vetter (sorry Dave).In the US, the dark news cycles are starting to be reflected into some dark thoughts. Proper dark. And we link to 

Dana R Fisher’s latest disturbing findings in Scientific American about rapidly shifting attitudes towards violence among people who a couple of years ago would be more likely to be toting a pink pussy hat than a firearm.

But as always, there are winners and losers. Prashant Rao from Semafor talks us through what he’s seeing in whether the Trump administration has so demonized renewables that there are now bargains to be had in oversold renewables assets.

And Prashant has a request. He’s running the London marathon on 27 April to support the Rory Peck Trust, a UK charity which provides support to freelance journalists and their families to improve their welfare and safety, and fights for their right to report freely. Which, frankly, if you don’t agree that’s a good cause you’re probably in the wrong parish. Give the Rory Peck Trust a bit of love and support Prashant’s marathon.

Follow Adam Bell on LinkedIn and BlueSky.

Sign up for Semafor’s Net Zero newsletter where Prashant makes a not infrequent appearance. Follow him on LinkedIn and BlueSky.

Read Dana R. Fisher’s findings in Scientific American.

Read Dave Vetter’s takedown of Ezra Klein’s “Abundance.”

More soon in the newsletter on those last two.

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The electricity grid is more fragile and more vulnerable than it needs to be for what we’re asking the basically 120-yr-old tech to do in 2025. Last week’s outage after an explosion at the substation nearest Heathrow, London’s busiest airport, was a reminder of that.

Before founding grid tech rising star ENODA, Paul Domjan advised the US defence dept, NATO and plenty of others on energy security. Paul sheds light on how the incident highlights the grid's vulnerabilities and the necessity for a more resilient and flexible electricity system. The amazing thing, Paul says, is that we’ve been this lucky for this long.

A group very respectful of luck was the IRA, which after nearly killing Margaret Thatcher in Brighton in 1984 quipped: “we only need to be lucky once, you must be lucky always.” And last week’s incident, while foul play isn’t in evidence, reminded Paul of a 1996 IRA plot to disrupt London’s power supply, stopped at the last moment by MI5 in Operation AIRLINES. He cautions against complacency given the evolving threats to energy infrastructure from geopolitical tensions.

The conversation underscores the need for systemic changes in utilities’ approach, investments in renewable energy, and the adoption of innovative solutions to ensure grid reliability and stability.

01:15 Historical Context: IRA Plot

03:54 Energy Infrastructure Vulnerabilities

06:32 Interview with Paul Damian: Background and Insights

07:28 Paul's Career and NATO Involvement

10:23 The Fragility of the Power Grid

12:13 Technological Solutions for Grid Stability

26:39 Policy Recommendations for Energy Security

32:28 Conclusion and Future Conversations

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In this episode of Wicked Problems, Kristian Ruby, Secretary General of Eurelectric, shares insights from his recent visit to a Ukrainian power plant operating under war conditions. Ruby discusses the resilience and ingenuity of Ukrainian engineers maintaining energy infrastructure despite frequent bombings, the importance of Europe's preparedness for similar scenarios, and the necessity for robust energy infrastructure and cybersecurity. The conversation also covers the strategic shifts required in Europe's supply chain and critical infrastructure ownership, emphasising closer cooperation with the authorities and increased vigilance against sabotage and other threats.

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:14 Experiences in Ukraine: A Personal Account

00:54 Visiting a Power Plant in a War Zone

02:49 Daily Realities of War for Power Engineers

04:41 Europe's Need to Prepare for War

06:10 Challenges in Energy Infrastructure Resilience

07:07 Recent Sabotage and Security Concerns

08:43 Strategies for Enhancing Resilience

13:01 Dependence on Foreign Infrastructure

19:41 Supporting Ukraine's Power Sector

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In this special edition of 'Wicked Problems,' host Richard Delevan moderates a session at the Climate and Energy Summit 2025 held by Chatham House. The session brings together prominent climate tech startups focusing on adaptation and resilience, AI, carbon capture, and geothermal energy, and more:

Julia Kumari Drapkin, CEO & founder, ISEECHANGE

Taco Engelaar, SVP & Managing Director UK & Europe, Neara

John Hartley, CEO, Levidian

Gus Grand, Chief Executive Officer, and Lucy Cotton, Principal Geologist, Eden Geothermal

Expert panelists Fiona Harvey, Marisa Drew, and Peter Hirsch question the startups on their solutions' feasibility and impact. The startups present innovative ways to mitigate climate risks, enhance grid resilience, and decarbonize hard-to-abate sectors. Audience interactions and polls reveal insights into which technologies and stakeholders are deemed crucial for the next wave of climate action.

00:00 Welcome to the Climate Energy Summit 2025

02:07 Introduction of the Host and Event Overview

03:36 Discussion on Climate Tech and Election Impact

04:39 Expert Panel Introduction and Climate Tech Debate

08:51 Audience Interaction and Polling

11:38 First Company Presentation: IC Change

18:23 IC Change Q&A Session

31:00 Second Company Presentation: Niara

38:08 Niara Q&A Session

43:13 Competitors and Market Positioning

45:23 Insurance Industry and Grid Failures

47:22 Decarbonizing Hard-to-Abate Sectors

48:30 Levidian's Loop System Explained

49:48 Real-World Applications of Graphene

54:48 Challenges and Opportunities in Methane Capture

01:01:44 Eden Geothermal's Innovations

01:03:32 Geothermal Energy in the UK

01:07:20 Global Geothermal Advancements

01:09:00 Audience Q&A on Geothermal

01:16:41 Closing Remarks and Future Outlook

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We had our conversation in person at the legendary Chatham House, during their Climate and Energy Summit 2025. And we share some highlights from the public bits of the event that caught our ear.

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For reasons that should become clear…https://open.spotify.com/track/5PGYWv9Xp4IraLSDs8h1bY?si=1b23870ffdad4629

Ben Cooke, Earth Editor at The Times and returning champion guest on Wicked Problems, walks us through why his news outlet just devoted a whole series to climate adaptation.

Over the past 18 months, a big thesis of this project is that a certain amount of climate risk and climate effects are already happening. Very few people are willing to talk about it publicly, which I think has put all of us at a huge disadvantage.

Because talking about adaptation takes you from some pretty abstract notions about mitigating emissions, CO2 levels and average global temperatures and becomes a really local thing. What's gonna happen in my town? What should we done about it? Who's gonna pay for that?

Seeing the series of reporting on adaptation in the UK’s paper of record, particularly with the scene-setter from Science Editor Ben Spencer and cobylined with Anna Dowell, to me says we’ve really hit a big moment.

Some other pieces in the series that we discuss:

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/environment/article/solar-panels-farmland-food-security-times-earth-wdb6dlhk8

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/environment/article/reforestation-flood-defence-farmers-times-earth-8wgzqjdg7

https://www.thetimes.com/article/f6181881-35b2-4333-97ae-2396ca835727

Yeah But What Can I Do?

Funnily enough, as we discussed in last episode with Ivo Mensch of the Climate Majority Project’s Forum, you might stop doomscrolling and hang out in meatspace with other people who see now for what it is but are not queuing up to throw soup at plexiglass protectors of famous Van Gogh paintings.

Talking to your neighbours about how to save each other in a natural catastrophe far more likely because of climate change that is here now is a very different chat from ‘you should go vegan to save some future version of the sky’.

Tickets are still on sale for their event 15-16th March at Limehouse Town Hall in London.

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Outro of the Day

If that’s the opiates talking I make no apologies. Time to figure our where you fit in to help, as things collapse into a nightmare timeline.

We interview Ivo J. Mensch about the Climate Majority Project Forum focused on grassroots climate actions with a particular focus on adaptation, happening in London this weekend.

And we speak with Raj Desai and Jeremy Herzog of Fulton Ring, who have successfully rescued important FEMA climate risk data from the MAGA bonfire. Finally, we talk with Jonathan Gilmour, a data scientist at Harvard School of Public Health, who helps lead a nationwide effort to safeguard environmental and public health data in the current emergency.

They discuss the importance of data preservation, the role of international backups, and ways the tech community can contribute to this critical mission.

Outro Tracks

Hopefully listening will be as cool as compiling it. Listen: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2AWvHdqqNAUCJcByQEokut?si=e9d16d87d386420a

Having cleared our guns, we’ll be back soon with the Times’ Ben Cooke on their turn to adaptation, Leo Rayman on Eden Lab on how to properly score the sustainability of business operations, and much more.

If you can help us keep this going, we’d very much appreciate it.

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00:00 Introduction to Clean Electricity and Carbon Capture

00:21 Weekly Climate News Recap

01:33 UK's Carbon Budget and Future Projections

03:34 Challenges and Opportunities in Clean Energy Transition

05:45 BP's Shift in Energy Strategy

07:06 Interview with Charlie Mercer on Climate Tech

09:08 Government Spending and Climate Tech Investments

15:41 Liam Hardy Green Alliance

17:16 Interview with Liam Hardy on Electrification of Industry

29:46 Encouraging Innovation in Smaller Startups

30:20 The Cost Disparity Between Electricity and Natural Gas

31:11 Understanding the Spark Gap

33:19 Challenges in Reducing Electricity Costs

37:17 Government Policies and Industrial Support

39:32 Creative Solutions for Energy Transition

41:24 Debating Hydrogen and Carbon Capture

45:43 Final Thoughts and Future Directions

48:39 BP Investor Call

48:39 BP's Strategic Reset and Future Plans

56:19 The Gulf of America Controversy

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In this episode, host Richard Delevan discusses the failures and frustrations of traditional climate activism with sustainability strategist Joseph Gelfer. They explore Gelfer's call for 'climate populism'—a revolutionary, rather than reformist, approach to climate change that involves mobilizing public dissatisfaction with the elites. Delavan delves into how populist tactics used by figures like Donald Trump and Nigel Farage could inform a more aggressive climate strategy. The episode also touches on the far-reaching implications of political and technological trends led by influential figures such as Elon Musk and Peter Thiel, and what that means for the future of climate action.

00:00 Introduction and Frustration with Current Approaches

00:25 Welcome to Wicked Problems

00:51 Net Zero 2050: A Sinister Goal

01:17 Energy Policies and Their Consequences

01:40 Testimony of Secretary of Energy Chris Wright

01:56 The Role of Jordan Peterson and the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship

02:40 The Impact of Elon Musk and Data Control

03:27 Conversation with Joseph Gelfer: Sustainability Strategies

06:43 The Disconnect in Sustainability Efforts

07:58 The Need for Revolutionary Change

10:21 Understanding Trumpism and Climate Denial

17:39 Climate Populism: A New Approach

21:27 The Potential of Farage and Future Political Shifts

24:44 Defining Success and Truth

26:33 The Spectrum of Truth

27:30 The Climate Crisis and Ethical Dilemmas

29:54 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

33:47 The Conservative Movement's Long Game

37:41 Silicon Valley's Libertarian Vision

43:47 The Crisis of Democracy

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Fires in Los Angeles at last count had $35 billion plus of insured losses and probably $300 billion plus of economic losses. Who should pay?

Here to help decode that we spoke with Dave Jones - former Insurance Commissioner for California from 2011 through 2018. He's now the director of the Climate Risk Initiative at University of California, Berkeley. He recently wrote an oped in the New York Times arguing that the oil companies should have to pay for the damages of the LA wildfires, to arrest the insurance crisis.

Steve Coulter of the Green Alliance here in the UK expands on, slight tension, conundrum, paradox. Steve talks about his recent briefing on this point, particularly focusing on Lloyd's of London.

And, um, finally, our good friend, returning champion, Dana Drugmand, journalist, publisher of Climate in the Courts and One Earth Now, who's been helping us understand these issues in the US nearly a year now. She helps us explore the counteroffensive launched against the Empire State’s 2024 Climate Superfund law by 22 Republican state attorneys general who filed suit against state of New York to challenge the law signed by Governor Kathy Hochul at the end of last year. Dana compares that to some of the other pushback to the first-of-its-kind bill that was passed and signed into law earlier last year in Vermont.

06:35 Interview with Dave Jones: Background and Climate Risk

08:22 Insurance Industry's Role in Climate Change

10:11 Holding Fossil Fuel Companies Accountable

15:03 Subrogation and Legal Actions

18:12 Impact on Insurance Markets and Homeowners

20:15 Financial Risks and Regulatory Responses

38:39 Mitigation Measures and Legislative Actions

48:06 Industry Split on Sustainable Practices

49:09 Lloyd's of London: A Case Study in Poor Performance

50:33 The Growing Uninsurability Crisis

53:53 Government Intervention and Systemic Risks

56:33 Call to Action for Policymakers

59:50 New York's Climate Superfund Law and Legal Challenges

01:07:34 The Broader Implications of Climate Litigation

01:22:40 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Whether it's like small island states that will go under the waves in our lifetimes because of. These effects and at the International Court of Justice hearing lawyers for big nations basically saying, “oh, well, that's sad Sorry about that. I don't think we can do about it though But here here's some tickets to get some immigration for a couple thousand of you anyway to come to Australia but in exchange, we're gonna need your fishing rights and Mineral rights for the undersea stuff.”

Or telling India and China, “sorry. No, you cannot have the standard of living that fossil fuels enabled The West to have.” Weirdly, not everyone is super excited with that kind of trade off.

So if we’re going to feel obliged to look seriously at SRM - which is not the same as endorsing it - at the very least there should be ground rules: Insisting that the science done by and for researchers in the global south should be given privileged position in conversations about whether to do that research, about how to weigh potential costs and benefits, how to govern any of that stuff, how to even talk about it. Because places like Latin America, or South Africa, or Pakistan tend to have communities least able to cope with any potential negative outcomes. Andy Parker, Founder and CEO of the Degrees Initiative based in Bristol in the UK, has doing exactly that for 16 years - we think it made for an interesting chat.

And in May, Degrees Initiative is convening the world’s largest conference to date on SRM, in Cape Town, South Africa. It might well reset the global conversation on the science, the economics, and the geopolitics of SRM.

If you’re enjoying these conversations, do please share it, leave a rating and review on the platform of your choice, and send us feedback here at wickedproblems.earth.

00:49 Current Climate Challenges and Innovations

01:39 Global Perspectives on Climate Science

05:14 The Ethics of Solar Geoengineering

10:05 Interview with Andy Parker

19:22 The Degrees Initiative and Global South

23:45 Potential Risks and Considerations of SRM

26:32 Potential Side Effects of Not Using SRM

26:57 Security Implications and Uncertainties

27:40 Degrees Initiative: Research and Support

28:40 Fictional Scenarios and Real Concerns

30:03 Termination Shock and Climate Impact

37:01 Governance Challenges of SRM

40:22 Mainstream Media and SRM Discourse

43:15 Popular Culture's Take on SRM

45:50 Final Thoughts and Future Directions

48:34 Conclusion and Contact Information

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Professor Dana R. Fisher of American University is one of the most astute analysts of two things going through a huge stress test right now in the US - climate science, and democracy.

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The necessity of today’s outro track will become obvious, and with apologies for my slandering of Flava Flav:

She spoke to us from near Washington, where Elon Musk and his merry band of DOGE incels is being cheered on by Donald Trump as they ignore court orders and systematically gut research on the climate.

She joined us at the end of last year, to talk about her book Saving Ourselves: From Climate Shocks to Climate Action. We planned to talk for maybe 20 minutes today about her recent work researching and documenting the vandalism to American science underway. Then she told us about her new research surveying attendees at the “People’s March” who were 75% female, overwhelmingly moderate, middle-aged, mainstream Democratic voters, she found that 33% of people surveyed thought violence was justified to protect American democracy. And that was BEFORE Trump’s inauguration and his pardon of those convicted of violently trying to overturn the results of the 2020 US election on Jan 6 2021.

So we went over time. For nearly an hour.

Come walk with us.

Outro Tracks

Chapters

05:33 Introduction and Guest Welcome

05:52 Discussing the Current State of the Apocalypse

06:22 Field Work and Resistance Movements

08:37 The People's March and Data Collection

10:02 Media Misrepresentation and Crowd Sizes

15:00 Political Violence and Survey Findings

23:32 Impact on Federal Funding and Research

29:06 Government Actions and Future Implications

34:06 National Guard and Rising Tensions

34:49 Impact on Jobs and Development

35:39 USAID and Soft Power

37:51 Theories on Government Dismantling

38:38 Civil War and Martial Law Concerns

39:02 Military's Role and January 6th Reflections

48:20 Normalization of Violence

51:00 Climate Change and Democracy

52:36 Future Uncertainties and Personal Reflections

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Wicked Problems: Energy Transition and Decarbonization Insights

In this episode of Wicked Problems, host Richard Delevan delves into key issues and recent developments in the energy transition and decarbonization efforts. . Special guest Freya Pratty from SIFTED.eu (get her climate tech newsletter here) shares insights into the growth and challenges within climate tech companies, including an in-depth look at Octopus Energy's software success, Kraken. The episode also highlights a significant paper from Oxford University examining the potential resilience of the U.S. Inflation Reduction Act against repeal, offering a glimmer of hope in the current political climate. Professor Sam Fankhauser of the Smith School joined us. And in some good news, the episode touches on the impressive rise of EV sales in the UK, policy impacts on the electric vehicle market, and the implications of Chinese EV makers entering the market. Ben Nelmes of New Automotive and Ben Kilbey of Bold Voodoo and EVUK came round. Join us for these crucial discussions and deep dive into the future of energy and climate policy.

And clips from the Energy Transition Acceleration Forum at the British Library produced by The Carbon Trust - featuring Chris Stark of DESNZ being interviewed by Bloomberg's Akshat Rathi, Quadrature Climate Foundation's Greg de Temmermen, and Arthur Downing of Octopus Energy.

00:00 Introduction and Consumer Issues

00:34 Welcome to Wicked Problems

01:20 Upcoming Interviews and Highlights

01:51 Interview with Freya Pratty

05:22 Deep Dive into Octopus and Kraken

13:41 First of a Kind Factories

17:07 Debate on Climate Tech Terminology

29:00 Sam Fankhauser Oxford

29:00 Interview with Professor Sam Fankhauser

39:35 Navigating Congressional Influence on Climate Policy

40:22 Vulnerabilities in Renewable Energy Policies

41:16 The Role of Media and Reporting in Climate Change

41:57 Global Perspectives on Deliverism and Climate Jobs

43:28 Emotional vs. Rational Approaches to Climate Advocacy

45:16 Global Climate Legislation Trends

46:20 Anglo-Saxon Peculiarities in Climate Policy

47:51 Future Research and Projects at Oxford Net Zero

50:02 EV Sales Ben Squared

50:27 Surprising Trends in UK EV Sales

01:00:02 The Rise of Chinese EV Manufacturers

01:04:35 Challenges and Opportunities in EV Market Policies

01:15:54 The Importance of Affordable Electricity in Decarbonization

01:18:46 UK's Role in Global Climate Leadership

01:20:48 Outro

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The reason for a lot of this acceleration in global heating, say Hansen and colleagues, is (perversely) the result of successful efforts to reduce pollution. Specifically, removing sulfur from maritime fuel. That sulfur has been causing potentially millions of deaths a year due to respiratory diseases. So it’s being phased out. Only one problem - the sulfur was having the under-appreciated consequence of reflecting quite a lot of sunlight back into space. How much? More than the entire energy output of humanity in a given year. And now that it’s been removed, enough to - according to the paper - drive half the acceleration in global heating over the past 5 years or so.

Hansen is hardly fringe for picking this up, though people don’t all agree on the significance. Zeke Hausfather, who was not involved in the research, is among climate scientist who has acknowledge this “aerosol forcing” problem. Some data of his turned up in Nat Bullard’s superb annual climate deck:

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On the call releasing their findings, Hansen et al discussed SRM. Which (even more perversely) often involves ideas for putting sulfur dioxide back into the atmosphere. But on purpose. To cool things off. To buy time.

So here is part one of a series of conversations about SRM, featuring Kelly Wanser - the head of Silver Lining, one of the leading non-batshit-crazy outfits trying to do research on technologies that might make it possible. We’ll put out part two very soon.

00:00 Introduction to the Climate Crisis

00:28 The Doomsday Clock and Climate Realities

01:57 Hansen's Climate Predictions

02:55 Aerosol Forcing and Global Warming

05:10 Purposeful Global Cooling

08:04 Interview with Kelly Wanser

11:07 Silver Linings' Mission and Climate Interventions

23:19 Challenges and Ethical Questions

31:32 Introduction to Luke Eisman and Make Sunsets

31:50 Neal Stephenson's Influence and Geoengineering Concept

32:45 Luke Eisman's DIY Approach to Geoengineering

34:05 Critique of Non-Expert Interventions

35:10 Challenges in Atmospheric Science

37:51 Responsible Research and Global Perspectives

40:10 The Importance of Atmospheric Monitoring

47:56 Global South and Climate Risk Research 5

2:55 The Montreal Protocol and Climate Agreements

54:54 Final Thoughts and Recommendations

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Sophie Hall of ETH Zürich joins Richard Delevan to discuss her research into using game theory to embed more fairness into the algorithms that increasingly control the services we rely upon for our everyday lives.

00:00 Introduction to Wicked Problems

00:04 The Role of AI in Critical Infrastructure

01:01 AI's Impact on Society and Ethics

03:19 Trust and AI in Life-or-Death Situations

04:57 Personal Anecdotes and AI's Everyday Influence

07:23 AI in Energy and Infrastructure

08:48 Ethics and Fairness in AI Algorithms

11:29 Interview with Sophie Hall: AI and Fairness

12:47 Sophie's Research and Its Real-World Applications

26:21 Challenges and Future Directions in AI and Policy

45:02 Conclusion and Call to Action

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So much is happening that it’s hard to drink from the firehose of US executive orders on energy and crazy chaos orangutang screeches on presidential letterhead, UK debates about growth versus climate, and parsing the statements of tech broligarchs to the only people left who can hold them accountable – their investors during earnings calls this week.

And that’s before we get to Heathrow and a Scottish court ruling that the Rosebank field was unlawfully given permission because it ignored carbon emissions – which I’m sure peaked the interest of lawyers for the 16 Just Stop Oil protestors facing some of the longest sentences ever handed down for non-violent protests.

So we’ve got a mega-episode for you this Friday the last day of January. 

We’ve got climate comedian and UCL academic Matt Winning, along with climate journalist and BlueSky maestro Dave Vetter to help make sense of all of that. And we’ve got Adam Grant Bell of the UK consultancy Stonehaven, who after decades in and out of government has a pretty good sense for these things, setting some odds on what’s going to happen this year in getting enough renewables built to achieve the UK government’s goals of hitting clean power by 2030. And he thinks the UK government might this year finally move away from a national price for electricity and to a system where cheaper electricity from things like wind and solar will be reflected locally, something Octopus’s Greg Jackson and others have been calling for and could radically change decisions about where power gets generated and where you site things like factories that will use it.

And because we can’t ignore that chaos orangutang with nuclear weapons, US-based Financial Times journos Amanda Chu and me aul mucker Jamie Smyth of Energy Source join us.

00:13 Government's Role in the Chaos 

00:18 Trump's Impact on Renewable Energy 

00:45 Weekly Recap and Upcoming Topics 

01:11 Elon Musk

02:31 Climate and Energy Policies

04:37 Interview with FT Journalists 

05:49 Tracking Executive Orders 

09:41 Impact on Renewable Energy Projects 

10:29 Texas and Clean Energy Growth 

12:48 Energy Policy and Executive Authority 

13:49 Challenges in Renewable Energy Development 

15:58 Geopolitical Factors and Market Dynamics 

20:11 Future of Renewable Energy Auctions 

36:55 Enhanced Geothermal and Government Policies 

37:31 Small Modular Reactors and Long Duration Storage 

38:22 Chancellor's Speech and Planning Reforms 

39:30 Environmental and Climate Change Debates 

40:37 Rosebank Ruling and Oil and Gas Projects 

42:48 Interview with Dave Vedder and Matt Winning 

44:34 AI Advancements and Energy Implications 

53:46 Heathrow Expansion and Sustainable Aviation Fuel 

01:04:43 Closing Thoughts and Upcoming Events

All the Tunes

If you’re enjoying the tunes, check out the whole outro playlist:

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How Stephen Markley, author of 2023 novel The Deluge, is keeping it together despite all the above I will never know, but I’m grateful he could make time to speak with me this week. And do suggest future guests to me on BlueSky or in the comments below.

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00:19 Predicting the Fire Disaster

01:05 Reflecting on the Current Week

02:12 Living Through the Fire

03:43 The Role of Environmental Regulations

04:21 Interview with Stephen Markley

06:26 Stephen's Experience During the Fires

11:23 The Political Landscape and Climate Policy

26:43 Closing Thoughts and Future Outlook

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00:00 Introduction to Wicked Problems

00:45 International Energy Connections

01:57 The Future of Global Energy Trade

03:58 Interview with Laurent Seguelin

04:51 Laurent's Early Influences

11:43 The Birth of Scope 2

16:46 The North Atlantic Transmission Project

24:19 Feasibility and Future Prospects

26:43 Starting the Project: Initial Challenges and Collaborations

27:54 Wind Data Analysis: Newfoundland and Ireland

28:51 Hydro and Wind Energy Developments

30:55 Investor Discussions and Independent Reports

34:34 Technical and Logistical Considerations

40:53 Cost and Feasibility of the Project

45:56 Security Concerns and Strategic Importance

48:14 Final Thoughts and Future Outlook

51:54 Conclusion and Closing Remarks

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In this episode of Wicked Problems, Richard Delevan talks with Laurie Laybourn of the Strategic Climate Risks Initiative and James Dyke from the University of Exeter. They tackle the stark reality that the preemptive climate strategies have largely failed and emphasize the need to leverage state capacities discovered during crises like COVID-19 to address the climate emergency. They explore concepts such as 'derailment risk' and discuss the potential catastrophic outcomes of the climate crisis, highlighting the vital need for dramatic policy changes and the role of academia, policymakers, and the private sector in combating climate change. The conversation also touches on the moral implications of surpassing the 1.5-degree Celsius threshold and the cynical role of fossil fuel interests. Dyke and Laybourn underscore the urgency for immediate, effective climate action and cooperation at a global scale.

00:00 Introduction: Extraordinary Times and Climate Challenges

00:20 The Climate Crisis: A Battle Unfought

00:59 Real World Conversations: Experts Weigh In

02:38 Introducing Laurie Laybourne and James Dyke

03:40 The Doom Loop: Climate and Economic Risks

11:05 Cascading Risks and National Security

13:33 State Capacity and Climate Action

24:42 Geoengineering: The Last Resort?

30:30 Complacency in Risk Assessments

31:45 Geoengineering and Emergency Toolkits

32:51 The Urgency of Climate Action

34:53 Societal Change and Optimism

38:22 Financial Markets and Climate Risk

44:39 The Role of Private Capital

54:30 The Reality of Climate Protests

01:01:26 Concluding Thoughts and Future Outlook

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The last few days we’ve been tracking some of the nominees for Donald Trump’s Insane Clown Posse Cabinet. Starting with Chris Wright at Energy (better than expected!) and then Lee Zeldin at EPA (and NGL was fun to watch him get stuffed into a locker by Bernie Sanders, Ed Markey, and Sheldon Whitehouse). But after 9 hours of hearings watched for you, here’s the final Trump energy boss - Interior Sec nominee and potential head of the National Energy Council, North Dakota governor and billionaire Doug Burgum. 

Burgum is a fan of “clean coal”, “methane capture”, and “energy dominance” - and while he says he acknowledges climate change doesn’t think it matters next to using more coal to build more AI data centres to beat China. But like the LA fires, whether or not you believe in climate change, climate change believes in you. 

And if Doug Burgum becomes Interior Sec he will be responsible for brokering a deal next year to replace the expiring 100-year-old agreement between the Western US states including 40 million people to divide up the flow of the Colorado River. But in 2026, the Colorado will be in the middle of a 10,000-year-drought and a long-term decline - all due to climate change. Meaning there is a lot less to go around. 

We would have loved to hear more informed questioning about claims about the track record of carbon capture or rebuttal of nonsense claims that eg 'solar is more expensive than coal'. Even Angus King from Maine, almost certainly the best of the bunch, barely laid a glove on him.

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In this episode of Wicked Problems, host Richard Delevan delves into the intense political landscape following Donald Trump's return to the White House and the subsequent Senate confirmation hearings for key nominees responsible for climate and energy policy. This detailed episode features in-depth discussions on climate and energy, examining the roles of various nominees, including former Congressman Lee Zeldin, in shaping future policies. Key highlights include probing questions from Senators Sheldon Whitehouse and Ed Markey, who challenge Zeldin on his stance towards climate change and the fossil fuel industry. Additionally, the episode touches on the implications of the Inflation Reduction Act, the significant power wielded by the Department of Energy, and the critical issue of water rights in the context of the Colorado River. This episode promises a rich blend of urgent climate discussions, political dynamics, and the stakes for future U.S. energy policies. For listeners seeking a deeper understanding of these pivotal hearings and their potential impact on climate action, this episode is a must-listen.

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:05 Trump's Influence on EPA and Fossil Fuel Politics

00:57 Senate Confirmation Hearings Overview

01:49 Climate and Energy Policy Debates

02:29 Chris Wright's Nomination for Energy Secretary

03:45 Lee Zeldin's Hearing and Climate Concerns

06:22 Sheldon Whitehouse's Opening Remarks

13:55 Senator Whitehouse Questions Lee Zeldin

19:18 Senator Ed Markey's Climate Change Concerns

31:57 Conclusion and Call to Action

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In this episode of Wicked Problems - Climate Tech Conversations, host Richard Delevan takes a closer look at the political theater surrounding the Senate confirmation hearings of Chris Wright, the Trump administration’s 2025 nominee for U.S. Energy Secretary. Wright, a vocal advocate for fossil fuels and CEO of Liberty Energy, has sparked controversy with his industry-first approach to energy policy and public comments dismissing the urgency of climate change.

We unpack the political, environmental, and cultural implications of Wright’s nomination, asking hard questions about how his potential leadership could shape America’s energy future.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

• Chris Wright’s Energy Vision: Wright’s track record at Liberty Energy and his public statements on energy policy. How does his vision align—or clash—with the realities of a warming planet?
• The Confirmation Drama: Key moments from the Senate hearings, including fiery exchanges over Wright’s commitment to renewable energy investments and grid modernization.
• Fossil Fuels vs. Climate Policy: What Wright’s nomination signals about the Trump administration’s energy priorities in 2025 and the broader implications for global climate efforts.
• The “Non-Psychopath” Lens: A closer look at the surprisingly candid remarks from lawmakers on both sides of the aisle questioning whether Wright’s policies reflect a balanced, forward-thinking approach—or a dangerous return to fossil fuel dominance.
• Impacts on Climate Tech: How Wright’s potential confirmation could affect the U.S. energy landscape, from renewable energy incentives to innovation funding for climate tech startups.

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Given the week that’s in it we of course had to talk about the wildfires but also the rise of Alice Weidel and Tadzio decoding her “Windmills of Shame” comment, which to a non-German just sounds like Trump with better writing but to this German sounds a lot more purposeful and sinister. 

Tadzio argues it would be a mistake to ignore the fact that there is a coherent political strategy at work behind those kind of daft-sounding comments that fly in the face of supposedly overwhelming support for climate solutions whether they’re from AfD, Donald Trump, or Nigel Farage.

Tadzio has his own book out - available later this spring in English - the rough translation of the title is Between Peaceful Sabotage and Collapse: How I Learned to Love the Future Again. But don’t wait - after you listen or watch this third chat between your friendly neighbourhood neoliberal shill here and this German gay communist being far more articulate in English than the native speaker, subscribe to his “Peaceful Sabotage” newsletter to get a sense. Unlike the grumpier, earnest end of the climate movement, the great thing about Tadzio is that he (despite being as prone to depression as I am) is just so damned funny. But we did our best to keep him honest - despite the fact that when we first spoke a year ago we both made some predictions about 2024. If anything, his dark foreboding low-balled how bad the year would be. 

In 2025 I think we’re probably more in sync. And careful listeners will hear him trail “Collapse Camp” - a successor to “climate camp” - which will be apparently a mini-festival at the end of August where you can share bushcraft and other survival tips for coming climate catastrophes while also doing the things festivals are generally known for. We’ll keep you informed. 

In this episode:

00:00 Introduction: Shame and Guilt in Politics 

01:02 The Rise of Fascism in Germany 

03:12 The Collapse of Societies 

08:33 Climate Change and Irrationality 

23:20 The Politics of Catastrophe 

38:34 A Rainbow Family and Right-Wing Politics 

39:12 Facing Fears and Political Solidarity 

39:42 FEMA and Fascist Militias 

41:39 Redefining Progressive Politics 

42:22 Personal Anecdotes and Community Engagement 

44:24 The Emotional Labor of Acceptance 

47:32 Solidarity and Collective Prepping 

49:38 Dystopian Futures and Political Realities 

55:00 Enemies and Political Negativity 

01:07:56 Looking Forward: Collapse Camp and Future Plans

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Joining the conversation is Dana Drugmand, founder of Climate in the Courts, who shares insights into the biggest legal wins of 2024 and what they mean for 2025. From Montana’s historic recognition of a constitutional right to a clean and healthful environment to groundbreaking rulings in Europe and the International Court of Justice, this episode unpacks how courts and laws are changing the climate accountability landscape.

Key Topics Covered:

• The growing momentum behind “polluter pays” laws in Vermont and New York
• Youth-led climate cases in Montana, Hawaii, and South Korea
• The role of human rights in climate litigation globally
• The International Court of Justice’s potential impact on global climate obligations
• How legal wins can drive innovation in climate technology

Links and Resources:

• Learn more about Vermont’s Climate Superfund law: Read here
• Details on New York’s Climate Superfund law: Read here
• Explore Dana Drugmand’s Climate in the Courts: Visit here
• ICJ Climate Hearings Overview: Learn more
• Polluter Pays Climate Fund Act Insights: Data for Progress

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Join us as we unpack the legal battles at the forefront of climate action and explore how they could reshape our future.

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00:00 Introduction and Investment Verification

00:30 Welcome to Wicked Problems

00:31 Meet Alekshina Jackson: Energy Expert

01:08 Alekshina's Career Journey

02:36 Digital Transformation in Energy

07:40 Grid Enhancing Technologies

12:13 The Future of Energy Systems

15:29 Investment Strategies and Digitalization

21:21 Technological Innovations and AI

31:09 Final Thoughts and Recommendations

38:37 Closing Remarks and Call to Action

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Highlights from the Episode:

• Reflections on 2024: Peter celebrates the release of his long-awaited book, while Richard ponders the year's most maddening moments, including political turmoil and the slow pace of global climate action.
• Guest Spotlights:
• Adam Bell (Stonehaven) celebrates the UK government’s ambitious plan to overhaul the power system in just five years while questioning whether they’ll muster the resolve to see it through.
• Sarah Mackintosh (Cleantech for UK) highlights the closure of the UK’s last coal-fired power station and the lifting of the ban on onshore wind as key milestones for clean energy.
• Rupert Read (Climate Majority Project) turns catastrophe into a rallying cry, framing 2024’s challenges as a wake-up call for strategic adaptation.
• Jenny Chase (Bloomberg NEF) marvels at the solar boom in Pakistan and speculates on which country will follow suit in 2025.
• Dr. Matt Winning (Comedian and Lecturer) lightens the mood with his reflections on climate humor and hopes for action at COP in Brazil.
• Hannah Scott (Oxfordshire Green Tech) shares progress on the Climate Tech Supercluster, building a world-leading innovation ecosystem.
• Stephen (Climate Impact) discusses the momentum around fusion energy and the launch of new conferences to foster collaboration in the space.
• Tadzio Muller (Activist) emphasizes the importance of finding agency amidst systemic crises, offering a pragmatic yet optimistic take on climate justice.

Themes Explored:

• The personal and professional victories that keep the climate tech community hopeful despite daunting obstacles.
• How politics shapes climate action, with contributors tackling the implications of global and local governance shifts, including a second Trump administration.
• The path forward for 2025: from fusion energy breakthroughs to decarbonizing transport and reshaping planning systems.

Special Moments:

• Behind-the-scenes anecdotes from the show’s creation, including shoutouts to musical collaborators and reflections on guestlist privileges!
• A humorous exchange about the team’s occasional carol karaoke adventures.

Key Takeaways:

• Climate challenges may seem insurmountable, but community, innovation, and collaboration can help shift the needle.
• As we move into 2025, clarity on problems could lead to greater clarity of purpose in tackling them.

Join the Conversation:

Tune in to hear from some of the brightest minds in climate tech and policy as we celebrate the power of storytelling, advocacy, and action. Here's to 100 episodes of wickedly good conversations—and to many more ahead!

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00:51 Challenges in Carbon Dioxide Removal

03:09 Key Technology Areas for Climate Solutions

07:06 Interview with Yehuda Borenstein

07:24 Yehuda's Journey in Climate Tech

28:38 Innovations in CapEx and Material Efficiency

29:51 Addressing Common Questions in Climate Tech

30:23 Challenges and Solutions for Off-Takers and Customers

31:10 Carbon Capture Strategies and Market Dynamics

34:08 Innovative Approaches to Carbon Capture

39:15 Energy Requirements and Economic Implications

43:24 Storage Methodologies and Practical Demonstrations

47:41 The Role of Oil Companies in Decarbonization

49:58 Reflections on Climate Week and Industry Sentiments

55:26 CATALYSTS: Personal Motivations and Inspirations

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00:00 Introduction and Opening Remarks

01:03 Climate Change and Economic Instability

02:52 Political Implications of Climate Disruption

04:20 Rising Costs and Food Prices

05:51 Flooding and Insurance Issues

10:35 International Climate Litigation

12:18 Interview with Roz Savage

26:02 Ambitious Private Member's Bill on Climate and Nature

26:41 Long-Term Commitment to Climate Advocacy

27:39 Introduction to Legal Experts on Climate Obligations

28:39 Historic Moment in International Climate Law

34:44 The Role of Non-State Actors in Climate Litigation

38:16 Implications of ICJ Advisory Opinion on Climate Change

45:18 Challenges and Opportunities in Climate Litigation

54:57 Final Thoughts and Reflections

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00:00 Introduction to Power Demand

00:15 Welcome to Wicked Problems

00:58 The Evolution of Wind Energy

01:21 Jim Spencer's Journey

02:05 Challenges in Early Renewable Energy

06:09 Pivot to Wind Energy

22:38 Political and Market Dynamics

31:41 Future of Renewable Energy

36:14 Final Thoughts and Recommendations

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In this episode, we delve into the pressing issue of climate shocks, which are intensified by climate change and manifest as floods, fires, heat waves, and droughts. As we approach 2025, these disasters are expected to become more frequent and severe across the globe. Join us for an insightful discussion on how these climatic events are already affecting our world and what we can expect in the near future. Happy holidays to everyone, despite the serious topic at hand.

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:45 Upcoming Content and Announcements

01:51 Climate Tech and UK Leadership

03:03 Realizations and Reflections on Climate Goals

07:11 Introducing Professor Dana Fisher

07:28 Discussion with Professor Dana Fisher

07:52 The Concept of Apocalyptic Optimism

10:06 The Role of Disasters in Climate Mobilization

14:11 The Anthro Shift Theory

21:14 Political Dynamics and Climate Policy

40:31 Climate Policy and Political Ideologies

41:02 Impact of Climate Shocks on Policy Support

41:16 Challenges of Misinformation and Conspiracy Theories

42:12 Community Resilience and Local Support

42:43 Political Responses to Climate Disasters

44:07 Scientific Analysis and Public Perception

44:49 Relational Connections and Effective Communication

52:29 Lessons from Historical Movements

01:01:58 Building Community Resilience

01:06:00 Hope and Optimism in Climate Action

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The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has taken on a landmark climate case, spearheaded by the small island nation of Vanuatu, in collaboration with youth leaders and seasoned climate advocates. It’s a story of legal innovation and breaking points.

We were honored to speak with Professor Elisabeth Holland, a pioneer in climate negotiations and a guiding force behind the Pacific region’s climate leadership. Joining us was Loes van Dijk, founder of Climate Court (you should subscribe) and a returning voice on our show. Together, we explored the origins, stakes, and possible outcomes of this unprecedented ICJ case.

From Classroom to Courtroom

When law students at the University of the South Pacific were challenged to imagine actionable solutions to the climate crisis, they didn’t merely brainstorm; they created a movement. As Professor Holland recounted, these students drafted the first legal frameworks that would ultimately lead to Vanuatu’s case at the ICJ. Their mission? To hold major emitters accountable for the devastation wrought by climate change.

Professor Holland shared the remarkable origins of this effort, including the critical role of educators and leaders like Tony de Brum, whose work championed climate justice not just for the Pacific, but for the planet. This isn’t merely a legal case—it’s a bold redefinition of what global climate accountability can look like.

A Stark Contrast: ICJ Proceedings vs. COP Diplomacy

The ICJ case has brought to light a legal and ethical battleground that feels starkly different from the staged diplomacy of annual COP summits. Professor Holland and Loes reflected on the plain-spoken clarity of the arguments presented in The Hague—far removed from the performative consensus-building often seen in international climate negotiations.

Attribution Science: A New Frontier in Climate Justice

A pivotal element of this case is attribution science—the ability to trace climate impacts to specific emitters. While still an evolving field, this science has grown increasingly robust, enabling plaintiffs to demonstrate the direct role of emissions from particular states and corporations in fueling climate disasters.

Professor Holland emphasized the transformative potential of attribution science, which entered the climate lexicon during the second assessment cycle of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

The Pacific’s Collective Voice

One of the most striking aspects of the Pacific submissions is their deeply collective ethos. As Professor Holland noted, Pacific cultures are rooted in interconnectedness—whether it’s the navigation of vast ocean expanses or the shared stewardship of fragile ecosystems. This perspective shapes their legal arguments, which often go beyond individual nations' interests to emphasize global responsibility.

“The Pacific has always been here to save the world,” Professor Holland said, echoing the late Tony de Brum’s declaration after the Copenhagen climate summit.

Merry COPmas

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Speaking first was Vanuatu’s Ralph Regenvanu, and the small island’s attorney general.

Other witnesses included

* Julian Aguon, the Guam-based lawyer with Blue Ocean Law who recounted the litany of communities across the Pacific that have already fallen victim to rising seas due to climate change, forced to permanently relocate, and losing their basic right to exist under international law. Aguon also made the connection between the ICJ’s earlier ruling on Gaza, which we imagine will get some responses. [We fool ourselves talking about this in terms of future harms. With all sympathy for Tenbury Wells in northern England, Fiji has a chilling “Standard Operating Procedure” plan for phased retreat from vulnerable areas from the whole country. It is already being implemented.]

* Professor Margarita Wewerenke-Singh of the University of Amsterdam, who made an extremely cogent case of how existing law has led to key precedents we’ve covered on this show, and how those precedents relate to today’s set of hearings: the Swiss Klimasenniorren case at the European Court of Human Rights as well as other cases, and even a mention for Vermont’s ‘make polluters pay’ climate Superfund law.

* And Cynthia Houniuhi, president of Pacific Island Students Fighting Climate Change, that Hollywood-ready plucky group of law students who did the work making the case possible.

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Key Topics Covered:

• Arbonics' Mission: Lisett shares how Arbonics uses cutting-edge data analytics to empower landowners to grow stronger forests, sequester carbon, and enhance biodiversity. Discover how this Estonian startup is scaling solutions for a sustainable future.
• Nature-Based Solutions: Why forests are at the heart of climate mitigation efforts, with the potential to account for up to 30% of global carbon removal needs. Lisett explains how Arbonics ensures the integrity and scalability of its projects through rigorous data and certification.
• COP29 Reflections: A discussion on the outcomes of COP29, including the finalisation of Article 6 carbon market regulations and their implications for voluntary and compliance markets. Lisett highlights the progress made and the gaps that remain, particularly for smaller nations and nature-based solutions.
• The Path Forward for Carbon Markets: Insights into how the voluntary carbon market must evolve to ensure transparency, credibility, and accessibility. Lisett addresses common criticisms and discusses the importance of aligning market mechanisms with global climate goals.
• Lisett’s Journey: From her Estonian roots to a career in finance and forestry, Lisett’s personal story illustrates how passion and innovation can drive meaningful climate action.

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"Forests have layers of value beyond timber—carbon storage, biodiversity, and cultural significance. Landowners should be empowered to realise these layers for a sustainable future." – Lisett Luik

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China and the Global Climate Transition: Insights with Richard Delevan and Jeremy Wallace

In this episode of Wicked Problems, host Richard Delevan zooms out to understand the current climate action landscape as COP discussions progress in Baku. He is joined by Jeremy Wallace, a political scientist specialising in China's domestic politics and climate action, and the A. Doak Barnett Professor of China Studies at Johns Hopkins University. They discuss the intersection of U.S., China, and global climate politics, the economic realities of renewable energy, and address the complexities of international relationships as they influence climate policy. Wallace sheds light on the significant role China's entrepreneurs have played in the renewable energy sector, and offers a nuanced view that challenges common perceptions about China's state-driven strategies. The conversation also explores policy volatility, potential future scenarios, and the crucial importance of deployment and climate finance in the global energy transition.

00:00 Introduction and Current Events at COP in Baku

00:22 China's Role in the Global Energy Transition

00:44 Guest Introduction: Jeremy Wallace

00:59 The Intersection of U.S., China, and Climate Politics

02:35 Jeremy Wallace's Journey into Climate Studies

05:26 Trusting Data: China vs. U.S.

08:06 Policy Volatility in U.S. Environmental Politics

12:05 China's Strategic Bets on Renewable Energy

19:13 The Future of Global Climate Cooperation

25:08 Final Thoughts and Recommendations

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In this episode of Wicked Problems, host Richard Delevan discusses the outcomes and challenges of COP29 in Baku. Special guests, Tom Raftery from the Climate Confident podcast and Tim McDonnell from Semafor, join Richard for in-depth conversations about climate finance, fossil fuel discussions, adaptation needs, and the potential impacts of recent geopolitical events, including the reelection of Trump. Listen in for expert insights on the evolving landscape of global climate action and how it affects countries around the world.

00:00 Live from Baku

00:40 Intro

02:59 Tom Raftery, Climate Confident

40:52 Semafor's Tim McDonnell in Baku

01:06:18 Everybody Wants to Rule the World

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<irony>Well it’s been a quiet week in Lake Wobegon.1 </irony>

Hope you’re enjoying Trumpocalypse Day 8. How are you getting by?

Had such a great night2 catching up with The Heat and the Fury author Peter Schwartzstein early this week that this episode is even more delayed than I thought it’d be. Before a stop on his UK book tour we buttonholed him for a sidebar earlier this week at the top of the show.

For our main event I sat down with Pittsfield, MA’s finest, Dana Drugmand, a leading voice on US climate litigation, founder of Climate in the Courts and author of the One Earth Now Substack, to explore the potential for litigation to step in as a force for climate accountability and progress, especially under the new U.S. administration.

This conversation drops just days after the Dutch courts’ reversal of a landmark case against Shell—a decision that, while discouraging for some, also highlights the role of judicial action as a means of enforcing corporate climate responsibility. Dana brings her unique perspective on what the post-election legal landscape could mean for U.S. climate policy. As we confront a federal judiciary more conservative than ever, she warns that the courts could become either a last line of defense or a daunting obstacle for climate advocates.

One of our central topics was Project 2025, an ambitious agenda helmed by the Heritage Foundation, positioning itself to dismantle key climate policies. This agenda foresees cuts across agencies that have historically played central roles in regulating environmental impact, potentially downsizing the EPA and other scientific agencies like NOAA, while replacing civil servants with politically aligned appointees. Dana’s take is that while the federal stage may seem bleak, we shouldn’t underestimate the power of state-level litigation. States like California and Vermont are already mobilizing to hold major polluters accountable—efforts that could set national precedents, especially if cases reach the Supreme Court.

Our discussion also explored the Honolulu case, which could open the door to groundbreaking discoveries about oil companies’ historical actions on climate change. This case has the potential to bring to light internal documents that could shape public understanding and policy alike, much like the tobacco litigation of the 1990s did for public health.

For those who see these efforts as idealistic, Dana’s closing insights were clear: while federal barriers may grow, there’s also increasing resilience at the state and international levels. Vermont’s recent legislation, European legal frameworks, and global climate accords offer paths forward—if we can hold on to them.

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00:00 Introduction and Overview

00:43 Welcome to Wicked Problems

00:51 COP 29 and the American Election

02:47 Interview with Tim McDonnell

06:18 Discussion on Climate Policy and Trump Administration

08:57 Future of Climate Negotiations

21:27 China's Role in Climate Action

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25:26 Closing Thoughts and AOC's Message

30:49 Final Remarks and Call to Action

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In this Halloween/Samhain episode, Scott takes us through her latest novel, Any Human Power, a genre-bending work that interweaves climate, technology, politics, and mythology to probe our existential crises. Halloween, or Samhain in Celtic tradition, is when the veil between worlds is at its thinnest—a fitting setting for a discussion blending the metaphysical with the political. We dive into how stories, myths, and beliefs profoundly shape our understanding of climate change—and our responses to it.

Utopia, Dystopia… or Thrutopia?

Scott argues that we face more than climate change; we’re in a polycrisis—a web of interlinked existential threats that defy isolated solutions. Climate breakdown, economic disparity, and political polarization are all interwoven. Rather than focusing on dystopia, Scott introduces us to “Thrutopia,” stories that offer not only escape or survival but paths to reimagining governance, social structures, and our relationship with nature. In her view, we don’t need heroes; we need collective transformation.

The Role of Myth in Modern Crises

Mythologies shape how we interpret reality and help us frame complex issues in ways that feel tangible. Scott’s storytelling bridges the familiar with the visionary, drawing on Irish and Scottish influences that explore the liminal “between” spaces, echoing Samhain’s themes. As she explains, this space “between” worlds encourages us to imagine beyond the typical bounds of existence—a lens through which we can more fully grasp the challenges before us.

Changing Our Relationship with Power and Technology

Scott explores a key theme: the gap between technology’s potential and its often-destructive application. Drawing on Taiwan's Audrey Tang’s vision for tech as a unifying tool, Scott reimagines social media as something that builds communities, not conflict— essential for a sustainable future. Using insights from neuropsychology, she explains how power structures hijack our fears through “limbic system manipulation.” This, she argues, is not inevitable; it is simply a reflection of our system’s structural failures. Her work calls us to confront these flaws and envision a fundamentally different world.

Dive Deeper

Her two podcasts, Accidental Gods and Dreaming Awake, explore regenerative futures, mythology, and spiritual aspects of climate action. Her courses offer ways to reconnect with the “web of life” and sustainable change.

Among her influences are Ursula Le Guin’s ideas on human power, Kim Stanley Robinson’s climate fiction, and The Dawn of Everything by David Graeber and David Wengrow, which reimagines human history and societal structures.

• Manda Scott’s novel, Any Human Power
• Podcasts: Accidental Gods and Dreaming Awake
• Courses: Thrutopia - Writing Our Way to a Future

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00:00 The End of 'Lawsonianism'

02:28 Stonehaven's Adam Bell: Miliband's Quiet Revolution

25:58 Chris Slater, founder of carbon insurer Oka

Adam's piece in Politics Home: https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/bolt-blue-inside-energy-revolution

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00:00 Introduction to Climate Justice

00:46 Welcome to Wicked Problems

01:13 Introducing Loes van Dijk and Climate Court

02:22 BlackRock's Controversial Investments

07:55 Greenwashing in the Airline Industry

09:12 Youth Activism in Ontario

11:28 Global Climate Litigation Trends

12:31 Environmental Law Cases Beyond Climate

14:06 Environmental Justice and the DoD Lawsuit

15:10 Climate Vulnerability and Legal Responsibility

17:28 OECD Complaint in the Netherlands

18:51 North Macedonia's Environmental Law Victory

20:05 Norway's Oil Field Controversy

22:32 Standing Rock and the Sioux Tribe's New Lawsuit

24:46 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Part 2: "Trading Places"

Quentin “Q” Scrimshire (MODO Energy)

Q discusses why Texas, particularly Austin, is becoming a major hub for energy storage and renewables. Modo Energy is a B2B SaaS platform helping battery storage owners maximize returns through benchmarking and revenue forecasting.

Why Texas?

Leading the U.S. in battery storage, Texas was the logical choice for Modo’s U.S. expansion. Austin's tech-friendly culture, lower living costs, and grid under ERCOT played key roles.

Challenges Ahead:

Despite fast renewable growth, Texas' energy market faces political challenges, with anti-net-zero rhetoric clashing against renewable energy's economic reality.

Hailey Eustace (Commplicated)

Hailey shares her experience working with the Texas governor’s office, spotlighting Texas’ strategic deep tech and climate tech investments that have made it a leading climate hub.

The Role of Policy:

Public-private partnerships have been crucial to driving innovation, with early SpaceX investments laying the groundwork for Texas’ tech boom.

Global Appeal:

As an angel investor, Hailey continues to back companies looking at Texas for their U.S. base, highlighting Austin’s central location, ecosystem, and talent.

Q’s Catalysts:

Ray Dalio’s Principles: Quentin uses Dalio’s systematic approach to decision-making to ensure his company’s success.

Jim Rickards: His insights into monetary economics help Q navigate investment and energy markets.

The Smiths (Morrissey): Morrissey’s music gives Quentin inspiration and calm amid startup chaos.

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With the US election looming in less than three weeks, if you’re feeling glum about the prospects for continued progress on climate solutions in the US if things go…a certain way, take heart. Texas didn’t become the US leader in wind, solar, battery, and energy market design because hyper conservatives like Ted Cruz want to save the sky. It’s the all-American motive of making that bag. So there are plenty of things that founders, regulators, policymakers, and people framing narratives around climate could learn a lot from.

In this episode - which subscribers at wickedproblems.earth received first, so sign up! - we look at Texas's remarkable shift into a leader in renewable energy and a magnet for technology companies. The discussion covers the surprising rise of wind and solar projects in the state, which has led to significant economic growth, despite its conservative political backdrop. The migration trend from San Francisco to Austin, driven by favorable tax policies and a pro-business environment, is also explored.

Journalist Kelly Eisen and Michael Lee, CEO of Octopus Energy U.S., share insights on the complexities of Austin's tech culture, and Texas's energy market dilemmas.

Highlighting innovations in energy efficiency, load flexibility, and future expansion plans, the conversation underscores Texas's pioneering role in transitioning to a decentralized and resilient energy grid. The episode emphasizes the challenges and opportunities within Texas's ambitious energy landscape and concludes with a preview of upcoming industry voices.

In Part 2, coming out soon, we bring you Quentin 'Q' Scrimshire, co-founder and CEO of battery storage software Modo Energy who moved from the UK to Austin, TX to spearhead his company's US expansion. And former Austinite Hailey Eustace, now in the UK, co-founder of the advisory firm Commplicated and with a history of helping fund early-stage companies in Texas like SpaceX, shares insights on the big chasm in startup culture between the UK and US.

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00:00 That's Right You're Not from Texas (Ep 1)

01:27 Intro

08:15 Kelsey Eisen, journalist

24:01 Michael Lee, CEO Octopus Energy USA

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We mentioned his role in amplifying a piece by Jonathan Leake in the Telegraph, which quoted IPCC jefeJim Skea, and the headline of which piece said he was calling time of death on the Paris Agreement goal of limiting warming to 1.5C.

Skea actually said, "1.5°C is slipping away"— a phrase he notes is usually associated with moment when a person is slipping away from life.

Rupert argues that it's time to admit this failure, embrace the psychological impact, and use it to build momentum for the next phase of the climate struggle. This isn't about giving up; it's about moving beyond the impossible and starting to take adaptation, loss, and damage seriously. Together, we dive into the implications of this hard truth, the resistance from within the climate community, and what happens once we stop pretending we can hold the line at 1.5°C.

Some key points from our conversation include:

* 1.5°C as the Maginot Line: Read compares the climate community’s adherence to the 1.5°C target to France’s ill-fated defense strategy during World War II. Like the Maginot Line, holding on to 1.5°C when it has already been breached does more harm than good by distracting from more realistic and necessary action.

* Admitting Failure, Unlocking Power: Read emphasizes the need to acknowledge failure as a turning point. He references his viral 2018 talk, This Civilization is Finished, which resonated because it wasn't about false hope—it was about truth, grief, and the courage to move forward together. Facing the reality of 1.5°C's loss could catalyze a powerful shift in climate action.

* Why Not Everyone Wants to Let Go: Throughout our conversation, we explore the reluctance from key figures in the climate establishment to publicly admit that 1.5°C is gone. Fear of triggering widespread despair or "doomerism" keeps many leaders in line with the 1.5°C goal, but Read counters that the real danger lies in continued denial, not in accepting reality.

* The Moral Case for Honesty: In addressing what Read calls the "noble lie" stratagem, he argues that the climate establishment’s reluctance to tell the truth may be well-intentioned, but ultimately, it's misguided. Instead, he advocates for a new narrative—one rooted in courage, collective responsibility, and shared resilience.

* Minutes to Midnight: As we edge closer to climate disaster, Read likens our current moment to the final minutes before midnight, where decisions made now will determine the fate of future generations. He believes that accepting we’ve passed the point of no return on 1.5°C is the wake-up call humanity needs to mobilize on adaptation and loss and damage at scale.

As always, we aim to spark difficult conversations, and this episode is no exception. It’s an honest, sometimes uncomfortable, but necessary discussion about where we are in the climate fight—and where we need to go next. Rupert’s insights are invaluable for anyone grappling with the reality of our climate crisis and looking for a path forward that doesn’t rely on false hope, but on actionable truth.

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Key Highlights:

• New York Climate Week 2024 Vibe: Ted and Colin share their experiences hosting major events, engaging with industry insiders, and observing key shifts in climate tech discourse. They reflect on how adaptation and the complexities of funding climate solutions dominated discussions this year.
• Adaptation Takes Center Stage: Colin highlights a noticeable rise in conversations about climate adaptation—preparing for the climate impacts we can no longer avoid. This marks a significant shift from previous years where mitigation took precedence.
• Financing Challenges and Opportunities: Ted discusses the ever-present issue of scaling climate solutions, focusing on the missing middle of financing between early-stage investment and full-scale commercialization. What needs to change for groundbreaking technologies to get the capital they need to cross the “valley of death”?
• Tackling the ESG Backlash: The guests explore how the political rhetoric against ESG investments is impacting climate tech fundraising. Despite the pushback, Ted and Colin argue that ESG and impact investment principles are more crucial than ever in driving capital to the right places.
• Real Talk on Toxic Positivity: Colin responds to critics like Amy Westervelt who argue that New York Climate Week has a tendency to overlook the grim realities of climate change. He offers a candid take on how positivity is sometimes necessary to stay motivated in the face of overwhelming climate challenges

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00:00 Helene, Milton, and the End

01:27 Intro

08:39 Interview with Richard Wiles, Center for Climate Integrity

34:42 World Weather Attribution Presser

39:00 W hy is 1.5 hard to talk about?

01:00:44 EarthSet event with Semafor's Prashant Rao, CCC's Sophie Vipond, Oxford Net Zero's Matilda Becker & Carbon Tracker's Mark Campanale

01:05:54 Outro

Links to some guests and things discussed in this episode:

Center for Climate Integrity

Joe Lo at Climate Home News | BlueSky | Twitter

World Weather Attribution project

Earth Set

Prashant Rao, Semafor

Carbon Tracker

Oxford Net Zero

Climate Change Committee

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00:00 Introduction to Wicked Problems

00:08 Climate Change in the Vice-Presidential Debate

00:44 JD Vance's Response and Misdirection

01:32 Screwtape's Analysis of Misdirection

02:26 Emotional Appeal as a Shield

03:38 Subtle Racism and Division

04:47 Clean vs. Dirty Economy

06:10 Creating an Illusion of Agreement

07:18 Replacing Complex Truths with Simple Half-Truths

08:14 Reframing the Debate with Economic Patriotism

09:13 Casting Doubt Through Opponent's Inconsistency

11:13 Conclusion and Call to Action

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The Green Hushing Phenomenon:

• "Green hushing" has emerged as a tactic in political campaigns, with politicians framing climate policy in terms of jobs, economic growth, and energy independence rather than climate impacts. Tim discusses how this strategic messaging shift might resonate with voters, particularly those in swing states like Pennsylvania.

The UK's Conservative Party and Climate Policy:

• Turning to the UK, they explore how political leaders such as Robert Jenrick are echoing skeptical stances on net zero commitments, driven in part by a broader conservative narrative of climate action as an economic burden. Richard and Tim highlight the similarities between messaging in the UK and the US, examining how climate denial has evolved into opposition to climate costs.

Climate Messaging in Campaign Ads:

• The duo analyzes recent campaign ads from environmental coalitions like the League of Conservation Voters and Environmental Defense Fund, which conspicuously avoid mentioning climate change, instead focusing on cost-of-living issues and corporate accountability. What does this say about the perceived salience of climate as a campaign issue?

Implications of the "Dog That Didn't Bark":

• Richard and Tim reflect on the broader implications of the absence of climate discourse in the political spotlight, particularly in light of recent natural disasters in the Southeastern United States. They question how this "silence" may impact public awareness, climate activism, and ultimately, policy effectiveness.

Transatlantic Messaging Echoes:

• The conversation also touches on the global nature of climate messaging, with the same rhetoric appearing across the US, UK, and even other parts of Europe. They discuss the role of think tanks and political alliances in propagating these talking points.

Key Moments:

• [00:03:00] - Introduction: Recap of the DNC and the notable absence of direct climate messaging.
• [00:10:20] - Tim McDonnell on the “green hushing” approach in Kamala Harris’ campaign.
• [00:19:50] - The UK's Conservative Party and skepticism around net zero: Comparing US and UK narratives.
• [00:28:30] - Richard shares insights on climate campaign ads and their strategic avoidance of climate language.
• [00:37:45] - Recent climate disasters in the Southeastern US and the “silent” climate policy response.
• [00:45:15] - Outro reflections: The need for direct climate discourse in politics.

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Bonus segments for subscribers include some highlights from New York Climate Week including Stefan Rahmstorf of Potsdam Institute, talking about the worrying evidence of AMOC. And we analyse a surprising speaker for the New York Times to invite to Climate Week: Kevin Roberts, President of the Heritage Foundation, regarding climate skepticism and the impact of policies like Project 2025 on global climate and political dynamics.

10:42 Dr Anatol Lieven and AMOC

38:56 Climate Week Bonus - AMOC

44:01 Slightly Deranged Kevin Roberts Takes

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And we bring back our panel including Ben Cooke, Earth Editor at The Times, Freya Pratty from Sifted, and Ben Kilbey of BOLD VOODOO for insights into policy, energy infrastructure, and the broader European context.

Key Segments:

[00:02:14]

Jeremy explains why Cornish Lithium’s designation as a Nationally Significant Infrastructure Project is crucial, and how the company aims to supply lithium for EV batteries and grid-scale energy storage.

[00:04:07]

The discussion turns to the broader lithium market, its fluctuations, and the role of UK and European supply chains, especially after challenges faced by companies like Britishvolt and Northvolt.

[00:11:37]

Jeremy and Richard discuss future innovations in battery technology, including solid-state batteries and the importance of securing local, low-carbon sources of critical minerals like lithium.

[00:15:24]

Jeremy touches on the need for governmental support in de-risking critical mineral investments, comparing UK policy to the US Inflation Reduction Act.

[00:18:15]

Insights into European supply chains, partnerships, and the strategic importance of lithium beyond the UK.

[00:26:00]

Richard is joined by Ben Cooke (The Times), Freya Pratty (Sifted), and Ben Kilbey (Bold Voodoo) to analyze Labour's climate policy, UK battery supply chain challenges, and Northvolt's recent setbacks.

Links and Resources:

• Cornish Lithium: Learn more about the company Jeremy Wrathall leads, which is driving the UK's critical mineral extraction efforts. Cornish Lithium
• The Times Earth Summit: Join Ben Cook and other experts in London for an in-depth look at climate and energy policy. Register for The Times Earth Summit
• Sifted: Freya Pratty’s coverage of climate tech startups and subscribe to her Climate Tech newsletter. Sifted.eu

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Can the UK reclaim leadership in climate technology, sustainability, and innovation?

Our guests included:

* Andrew Pakes, MP for Peterborough

* Christian Hernandez, Founder, 2150.vc

* Buffy Price, Co-founder and CEO, Carbon Re

* Orla Shields, CEO and Founder, Kamma

* Anna Bazely, Head of Government and Regulatory Affairs, Enoda

* Paul McNamee, Director and Founder, Labour Climate and Environment Forum (LCEF)

Key Discussion Points:

* The Role of Private Sector Innovation in DecarbonizationChristian Hernandez from 2150 highlights the critical role private sector investors and startups play in accelerating climate solutions. He emphasizes the importance of deploying existing, scalable technologies—like heat pumps and energy-efficient infrastructure—while addressing the challenges of turning first-of-its-kind innovations into mainstream solutions. Hernandez also discusses the "time value of carbon," stressing that immediate action will have compounding benefits in the years ahead.

* Public Policy and the Climate AgendaAndrew Pakes, MP for Peterborough, discusses the Labour Party’s focus on green jobs, skills development, and the importance of ensuring that climate action benefits working-class communities. He calls for a "people plan" alongside climate policies, ensuring that new technologies and innovations also create opportunities for workers through skills training and apprenticeships. Pakes advocates for pragmatic policies that deliver visible improvements in communities, from retrofitting homes to revitalizing local economies.

* AI and Decarbonizing IndustryBuffy Price, co-founder of Carbon Re, explains how artificial intelligence can be used to reduce emissions in high-carbon industries like cement. She challenges the over-reliance on long-term solutions like carbon capture and storage, arguing for immediate, scalable technologies that can drive emissions reductions now. Her approach focuses on process efficiencies that can deliver significant carbon savings without the need for costly infrastructure overhauls.

* The Built Environment and Housing CrisisOrla Shields, CEO of Kamma, discusses the complexities of decarbonizing the UK’s housing stock and the potential of using data to better understand and improve energy efficiency in buildings. She underscores the need for reform in how mortgage lenders incentivize retrofitting and the critical role of both public and private sector collaboration in making housing more sustainable. Shields emphasizes that green mortgages and intelligent data can play a crucial role in creating a more energy-efficient built environment.

* Energy Infrastructure and Grid ResilienceAnna Bazely from Enoda speaks to the importance of modernizing the UK’s energy infrastructure to handle the growing demand for renewable energy. She highlights the need for grid-enhancing technologies and regulatory reforms that encourage innovation.

* The Politics of Climate ActionPaul McNamee, head of the Labour Climate and Environment Forum, offers a broader perspective on how Labour can maintain momentum in driving climate policy forward. He speaks to the importance of balancing long-term goals with short-term political realities and the need for effective communication to ensure the public sees the tangible benefits of climate action

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* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richarddelevan/

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Climate and Violence

Many associate climate-related violence with regions like Syria. Schwartzstein explains that while climate change didn’t directly cause the Syrian civil war, it played a critical role in weakening the societal fabric. Severe droughts exacerbated poverty and rural migration, fostering instability and making communities more susceptible to revolutionary movements.

The West and Climate-Related Violence

The developed world won’t remain untouched by climate-induced violence for long. The infrastructure, even in advanced economies, is struggling under the strain of extreme weather events.

Catalysts:

• The Heat and the Fury: Reporting from the Front Lines of Climate Violence by Peter Schwartzstein.
• The Leopard by Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa
• A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
• A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century by Barbara Tuchman
• The Earth Transformed by Peter Frankopan

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Simon provides an engaging exploration of the economic models that are holding us back, taking us through "equilibrium economics" and how this outdated framework limits our ability to respond dynamically to a rapidly evolving global crisis. His argument for moving from static, reductionist thinking to a systems-based, more biological understanding of economics brings a fresh perspective on how to build a more resilient future.

Simon Sharpe's Catalysts for Change:

At the end of the episode, Richard asks Simon what he’s looking for in the coming year that will signal real progress on the climate front. Simon points to three key "catalysts" that could accelerate the pace of decarbonization:

1. Global Power Sector Emissions Begin to Decline: Simon explains that while clean energy capacity is growing fast, it’s only when clean power generation outpaces the rise in energy demand that we’ll see global power sector emissions start to drop. He anticipates that this shift could happen soon, marking the first real sign of global emissions falling in a key sector.
2. Electric Vehicle Momentum Continues: Despite some backlash and misinformation in the media, Simon is optimistic that the global transition to electric vehicles (EVs) is still moving forward. He notes that in key markets like the UK and Europe, EV sales are growing, while sales of petrol cars are in decline. He’s watching for continued investment in battery manufacturing and vehicle production, particularly from China, to sustain this momentum.
3. Zero-Emission Steel Production Gains Ground: Simon highlights the steel industry as the next major frontier for decarbonization. He believes the first commercial-scale investments in zero-emission steel production are within reach, and expects to see significant policy support from countries like the US and EU to drive this transition.

Resources Mentioned:

• Simon Sharpe's book: Five Times Faster
• The Breakthrough Agenda Report by the International Energy Agency
• Greg Nimitz’s book: How Solar Energy Became Cheap
• Simon Sharpe's upcoming NGO: S Curve Economics

Connect with Us:

• Website: Wicked Problems - Climate Tech Conversations
• Twitter: @rdelevan
• Follow Simon Sharpe on FiveTimesFaster.org

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Book tickets here, and join experts to drill down into the government's environmental commitments, asking whether they are ambitious enough to meet climate goals.

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In this episode of Wicked Problems, host Richard Delavan discusses British energy policy and climate strategy with notable guests Adam Bell, Director of Policy at Stonehaven UK, and Trevor Hutchings, CEO of the Renewable Energy Association (REA). They explore the UK government's ambitious plans for ramping up renewable energy, infrastructure investments, and the strategic choices surrounding emerging technology and planning reforms. Bell and Hutchings offer insights into the new roles of the Crown Estate, planning process acceleration, potential investments in offshore wind, hydrogen, and small nuclear projects, as well as the importance of robust cross-departmental government collaboration and innovative industry leadership. Additionally, Hutchings emphasizes the significance of consumer engagement, skills development, and the broader economic implications of the renewable energy transition.

00:43 Intro

01:57 Adam Bell, director of policy at Stonehaven UK

16:17 Trevor Hutchings, REA on the race for Clean Power 2030

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In this episode of Wicked Problems, host Richard Delevan discusses the intersection of politics, travel, and sustainability. Delayed by recent significant events, the episode reflects on potential political shifts with Kamala Harris possibly picking a new VP nominee and the implications of such a move. Richard interviews Justin Reid from TripAdvisor about sustainable travel trends and consumer behavior, discussing the balance between enjoying travel and minimizing environmental impact. The episode also highlights significant political developments, including Joe Biden stepping down and JD Vance's nomination as the Republican VP candidate. The show notes an upcoming live event at the Labour Party Conference and looks ahead at future episodes on climate tech companies in Texas. Visit wickedproblems.earth to find out more!

0:00 Sustainable Travel with TripAdvisor's Justin Reid and

28:09 Can Andy Beshear save the IRA?

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This video script details a harrowing recount of the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump at a rally in Pennsylvania. The narrative follows Greg Walton, a foreign correspondent for Agence France-Presse, providing a firsthand account of the chaotic and tragic event. Walton describes the moment shots were fired, the crowd's reaction, and the subsequent confusion and blame directed toward the media. The script also touches on broader political implications, climate tech discussions overshadowed by the incident, and Walton's perspective on covering such events as a foreign correspondent.

00:00 Introduction and Initial Setup

00:44 Breaking News: Attempted Assassination of Donald Trump

01:35 On the Scene: Greg Walton's Eyewitness Account

07:37 The Crowd's Reaction and Media's Role

18:46 Security Concerns and Secret Service Response

22:01 Suspect Profile and Investigation

24:24 Implications for the Election and Climate Policy

30:55 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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In this episode of Wicked Problems - Climate Tech Conversations, host Richard Delevan sits down with Walburga Hemetsberger, CEO of SolarPower Europe, to delve into the transformative potential and current challenges of solar power in Europe. The conversation spans the explosive growth of solar installations, the strategic goals of SolarPower Europe, and the imperative need for a flexibility revolution in energy systems.

Solar Power Growth and Impact: The discussion begins with an exploration of the remarkable growth in solar installations in Europe, with over 100 gigawatts added in the last two years alone. Walburga explains the multifaceted factors driving this growth, including plummeting costs of solar modules and the versatile applications of solar technology, from large-scale plants to residential rooftops and even agricultural settings.

Manufacturing and Innovation: Richard and Walburga address the challenges and opportunities in solar manufacturing. While Europe has lost its leadership in manufacturing to Asia, there is a concerted effort to regain this position through innovation and strategic investments. Walburga discusses the importance of scaling up manufacturing and the need for supportive policies and financing to achieve this goal.

Flexibility Revolution: A significant portion of the conversation focuses on the need for a flexibility revolution in the energy system. Walburga stresses the importance of integrating demand-side and supply-side flexibility to manage the intermittency of solar power and prevent energy waste. This includes electrification of various sectors, enhanced grid connectivity, and substantial investments in storage solutions like batteries and hydrogen.

Policy and Regulation: The discussion also touches on the critical role of policy and regulation in facilitating the growth of solar power. Walburga highlights the need for targeted incentives, digitalization of processes, and harmonized standards across Europe. She emphasizes the importance of eliminating barriers such as double grid charges and enabling co-location of different renewable technologies to maximize efficiency and cost-effectiveness.

Challenges and Misinformation: Richard and Walburga address common misconceptions and misinformation about solar power, such as concerns about land use for solar farms. Walburga provides data to counter these arguments, demonstrating the minimal land impact of solar installations compared to other uses like golf courses. They also discuss the broader societal benefits of solar power, including reduced greenhouse gas emissions, lower energy costs, and increased competitiveness for European industries.

Future Outlook: Looking ahead, Walburga expresses optimism about the future of solar power in Europe, provided that the necessary investments and regulatory frameworks are put in place. She underscores the urgency of accelerating electrification and flexibility to meet climate goals and ensure energy security.

Conclusion: The episode concludes with a reaffirmation of the critical role solar power plays in the energy transition. Richard thanks Walburga for her insights and encourages listeners to engage with the SolarPower Europe’s Solar Mission 2040 report, which outlines the path to a sustainable and resilient energy future.

Links and Resources:

• Solar Mission 2040 Report
• Walburga Hemetsberger on LinkedIn

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• Adam Bell, Director of Policy at Stonehaven
• Megan Kenyon, Policy Correspondent at The New Statesman
• Sugandha Srivastav, British Academy Fellow and Lecturer in Environmental Economics at the Smith School, Oxford University
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One week after Labour’s sweeping victory, we ask three of the smartest observers of UK climate and climate tech policy about early moves like the hiring of Chris Stark, the removal of the offshore wind ban, and picking a fight with NIMBYs - some of whom may turn out to be people who otherwise argue for faster climate action in the Greens and Lib Dems. Can they keep up the pace? 

UK's New Climate Policies:

• Adam Bell discusses the recent swift actions by the new UK government, such as lifting the ban on onshore wind. He highlights the necessity of equitable climate policies to avoid creating "low carbon haves and have-nots" and the potential for backlash if climate benefits are not widely shared​

Challenges and Strategies in Climate Communication:

• Adam Bell emphasizes the importance of innovative communication strategies to garner local support for climate projects. He suggests that community-specific benefits, such as cash payments or co-ownership, might be necessary to gain broader acceptance of renewable infrastructure projects like pylons and wind turbines​(Meeting with Richard De…)​.

Policy Insights and Green Economy Reporting:

• Megan Kenyon shares insights from her reporting on the green economy, including the rapid policy shifts following the UK election. She mentions the importance of engaging the community in the planning and implementation of climate projects to ensure their success and sustainability​

Global Climate Action and Economic Implications:

• Sugandha Srivastav discusses the broader global context, focusing on emerging markets like India and their significant impact on global emissions.

Innovative Approaches to Climate Policy:

• Sugandha highlights the importance of using the latest and most efficient technologies in the energy transition and the economic advantages of renewable energy over fossil fuels. She underscores the need for public investment in areas that provide significant societal benefits, drawing parallels with the rapid development of the COVID-19 vaccine​

Resources Mentioned:

• Adam Bell's Upcoming Paper: Adam mentions an upcoming paper that outlines strategies for achieving the UK's 2030 climate goals. Keep an eye out for this report for detailed policy recommendations​ at Stonehaven
• Megan Kenyon's Green Economy Reporting: Subscribe to The New Statesman's "Green Transition" newsletter for in-depth analysis and updates on the green economy.
• Sugandha Srivastav's Work on Renewable Energy: Check out Sugandha's TEDx talk and her article in The Conversation about the potential of renewable energy and the economic implications of transitioning from fossil fuels.