So what does this all mean?

And we also learn about the ceiling of the Rolls Royce Phantom and what that might mean for vintage mix consoles.

Bob Lefsetz piece on the Indie Alliance: lefsetz.com/wordpress/2026/03/31/the-indie-alliance/

Shawn's referenced piece: firstfloor.substack.com/p/the-majors-are-ushering-in-an-era

Ted Gioia referenced piece: www.honest-broker.com/p/four-steps-to-hell

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You can now discuss the show on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicNotDiving/

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

02:00 Future of the pod

06:50 The Indie Alliance

12:30 Major labels and AI

15:00 AI scepticism

20:17 New Suno model

29:20 Rolls Royce and music

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The latest Morgan Stanley Swiss watch industry report can be viewed here.

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

05:52 The current landscape

10:08 Volume vs luxury

14.07 The key players

19.11 How the successful acts do it

24.32 Can listeners pick up the slack?

27.10 The real problem

30.20 Conclusions

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Sanil Sudan, aka FILM, is one of the best electronic producers to come out of India. Based in New Delhi, he has been involved in all aspects of the scene over the past decade and more: DJing, promoting parties, running one of India’s first booking agencies (UnMute), as well as making beats as FILM and other aliases including the techno-focused Tyrell Dub Corp. '

We discuss his production process, differing approaches to studio techniques including classic synths and sampling, hidden resources to be found on Youtube, the challenges facing Indian producers, the development of a distinctive Indian sound, as well as his time spent in Berlin as part of the Border Movement Residency (BMR) program. 

This is a great conversation with a big talent operating in a difficult environment. Get involved! 

Check out El Sid mixes on Soundcloud. 

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

03:10 FILM

06:11 From pro-gamer to promoter

08:30 The "No more parties in Delhi" experiment

11:45 Learning Music Theory mid-Career

15:45 AI Slop and the value of human emotion

17:54 The cultural necessity of sampling

22:00 Studio talk

27:00 The Berlin border movement residency

32:30 Post-COVID clubbing & Spotify fatigue

37:30 The corporatisation of Boiler Room

41:45 Forging an authentic Indian sound

49:10 The global hustle for Indian DJs

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Kohra is a key figure in the modern iteration of techno in India. His label, Qilla Records, has been one of the most important outposts for Indian producers since 2011. And as a DJ, he has established himself as a similarly important voice across clubs and festivals both in India and on the global circuit. He's also a very interesting guy with a lot to say on the state of the scene right now, and also the history.

We discuss the scene in India compared to Europe and the US, the development of techno culture in India, the advance of western dance music brands into Asia, today's challenges in running labels, and his history in different areas of music.

This conversation is a great insight into the workings of the scene in India... get involved!

Part II will air next week.

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

02:45 Kohra

07:30 Local scenes

14:00 Western club brands in India

21:30 Politics and boycott culture

27:50 Kohra's journey into music

33:35 Production

42:08 Spending time in Melbourne

44:40 Jalebee Cartel

47:10 Running Qilla Records

53:30 Future of the scene in India

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Frank Wiedemann is one half of legendary German house duo Âme (he does the live shows and can probably be described as the lead producer). He's also a key figure in the Innervisions label, the Dixon/Âme axis, and also a member of other groups include Howling. 

We discuss the new wave of electronic music nightlife in Berlin, the responsibilities of established acts to the wider scene, his processes in making music, and performance both as Âme and also in improvisational settings such as previous pod guest Sebastian Mullaert's Circle Of Live. 

This is a good one, get involved!

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

03:50 Berlin nightlife isn't dead

07:56 Events vs. clubbing

11:01 Should bigger artists give back?

14:18 The paradox of playing live

22:22 The new Ame album

31:30 Spotify is social media

38:14 From Jazz clubs to Robert Johnson

49:00 Innervisions at the Royal Albert Hall

55:49 The art of the 8-hour jam

01:04:52 Teaching and retreats

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Slipmatt is one of the most important DJs in the history of dance music. From his first major gig at Raindance in 1989, he came to be known as the Godfather Of Hardcore, becoming synonymous with the genre that typified the UK rave sound in the early 90s. His 'SL2' project, with DJ Lime, yield two top-ten hits including the genre-defining 'On A Ragga Tip' that reached number 2 in the UK singes chart in May 1992.

He was also instrumental in emergence Jungle from the Hardcore scene, and produced classics including 'Hear Me' which typify the linearity between the two genres.

We discuss the pre-acid house period, the game-changing nature of the rave explosion both in music and society, and we get into his personal journey from bedroom producer to Top Of The Pops.

This is a great conversation with a true legend of UK dance music, get involved!

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro

02:00 Episode start

04:55 What “Old School” really means

06:25 The split between Hardcore & Jungle

11:30 Bridging the divide

13:10 Bedroom producer beginnings

17:20 The lost art of studio mentorship

18:40 DJ Culture & skill obsession

24:15 First raves & Acid House reality

26:15 Birth of Raindance

27:40 Illegal → Legal Raves

29:10 Becoming a National DJ

30:40 Independence and management

32:10 The end of Illegal raving

33:10 Rave culture as a social & political movement

35:30 Media & moral panic

37:30 Policing, laws & the Criminal Justice Act Era

41:30 Legacy of early Rave culture

43:30 Personal reflections & looking back

47:00 Clearing samples

50:24 Top of the Pops and meeting Kylie

56:27 The Prodigy

59:31 Rage club and Jungle

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We discuss his recent performances at arguably the world's hottest music venue - the Sphere in Las Vegas, and also the Pyramids of Giza in Egypt. And we get the inside story on what's going on in melodic techno, an area of dance music that has attracted some of the biggest audiences while being largely ignored by the press.

The issue of dance music and popular culture as art is also discussed in detail, as well as the continuing developments in AI in music - both in ethical terms and in the practice of making music.

This is a great conversation, get involved!

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

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Following on from the 'End Of Recorded Music?' episode, this week we take a look at some of the surrounding issues. This is the first time I've done a solo episode speaking to camera and there are some inconsistencies which show up in the audio... check out the video version of this episode on YouTube (or if you're on Spotify then it'll be available here too).

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

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Sister Bliss is the musical driving force behind one of the biggest dance acts of all time - Faithless.

We discuss her early period as a DJ, linking up with Rollo and launching Cheeky Records from home, meeting the late, great Maxi Jazz and forming Faithless. And of course we get into the hits and the differing process of music making over the years.

This is a great conversation with a true legend of UK music!

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

03:00 Sister Bliss

05:10 Releasing music now vs then

07:05 Champion sound & the double-album idea

09:15 Invisible gatekeepers

10:35 Forever Free, Maxi & the meaning of freedom

12:10 Vinyl culture & record-shop life

23:30 Early musical influences

29:45 The cassette demo that changed everything

31:10 Camden studios, sushi & late nights

33:00 Meeting Maxi

36:40 DJing, dropping out & taking the leap

41:10 Cheeky Records

48:00 Making the first album

55:30 Making music now: tools, plugins & overload

01:00:40 The future of creativity

01:02:45 Memory, archives & coming full circle

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

03:00 Sister Bliss

05:10 Releasing music now vs then

07:05 Champion sound & the double-album idea

09:15 Invisible gatekeepers

10:35 Forever Free, Maxi & the meaning of freedom

12:10 Vinyl culture & record-shop life

23:30 Early musical influences

29:45 The cassette demo that changed everything

31:10 Camden studios, sushi & late nights

33:00 Meeting Maxi

36:40 DJing, dropping out & taking the leap

41:10 Cheeky Records

48:00 Making the first album

55:30 Making music now: tools, plugins & overload

01:00:40 The future of creativity

01:02:45 Memory, archives & coming full circle

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Bugged Out is one of the UK's best-loved and most enduring club brands. From humble beginnings in Manchester, through Sankeys, Cream in Liverpool, fabric and The End in London, right the way through to their enormous 30th birthday at the 15k capacity Drumsheds in London, this is a promotion that has consistently done things right in terms of the music and the vibe. 

Johnno Burgess is one of the co-founders, and also the former editor of the legendary Jockey Slut magazine which originally launched the night that became Bugged Out. 

We discuss the history of the event with its many successes and occasional failures, the changing landscape over the last 30 years, how they booked Daft Punk for free, and we also get into the golden era of the dance press and how it looks in the current era.

This is a great conversation with a relatively unsung hero of UK dance culture. Get involved! 

Grab the new Bugged Out book here

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:13 Episode start

02:50 Bugged Out at 30

04:54 Changing fashion on the floor

07:28 The golden age of dance music journalism

12:45 Influencers are the new fanzines

18:08 The birth of Jockey Slut

24:00 From magazine to club night

27:30 The Manchester club scene

30:49 Closure of clubs and pop-up spaces

36:10 Trust and curation

44:12 Nation, Cream and Liverpool

47:20 First Bugged Out Weekender

52:30 Festival curation

55:00 Moving away from Liverpool

59:05 The End - 8 defining years

01:02:00 When clubs started disappearing

01:03:30 Drumsheds, Printworks and mega-rooms

01:05:50 The role of private equity

01:13:00 Highs and lows

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The Sabres Of Paradise were formed in 1992 by Andrew Weatherall, Gary Burns, and our guest on today's episode Jagz Kooner. They burned brightly but briefly, initially disbanding in 1995, but have now reformed (without the late Weatherall) for what Jagz says will be a limited time. 

We discuss the story of the Sabres, but also Jagz' wider career which covers a lot of ground as a remixer and producer. And we also get into his thoughts on today's scene, and the changes in music making he's witnessed in four decades making tunes. 

This is a good one! 

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:13 Episode start

02:44 Sabres reunion

08:45 Playing Sydney Opera House

11:38 From seated silence to dancing chaos

13:05 This song changed lives

15:58 Post-Sabres life

17:06 Early DJ roots

21:36 Machines over bands

25:45 A very Jagz birthday

29:24 This machine will change the world

36:02 The bootleg that changed everything

37:30 Andrew Weatherall

45:00 Touring and burnout

47:30 After the split

50:00 Producing for others

59:30 Legacy and influence

01:03:00 The meaning of the reunion

01:07:00 Honouring Andrew Weatherall

01:11:00 Looking forward

01:15:00 Advice for young producers

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This is a re-up of a podcast we released in mid-2023 which sought to set the table for what was then the coming debate on AI in music and the wider socio-economic world. 

It's worth returning to because it covers the big issues that I anticipate will be covered on the podcast this coming year, and takes a look at some of the initial intuitions coming into this highly weird period of human history. 

This stuff isn't going anywhere, and it poses serious questions for what the music industry is for. What are musicians doing making music in this environment? What's the purpose of music in of itself? 

These are questions I have been asking myself over the last few weeks, and there are no easy answers...

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:30 AI in music and art

12:20 Possible developments

17:13 Ethics in art

22:21 Music's cultural decline

27:06 The capitalist bogeyman

29:35 Identity vs music

43:21 Is all this just moaning?

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A review of some of the stuff that happened in the Year of Our Lord, 2025.

Percy Digs instagram as mentioned: https://www.instagram.com/percydigs?igsh=MXM3OGJ0OW9rZDMzbA==

All other links and more info on this episode: https://www.patreon.com/posts/best-of-2025-147063099

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:50 Track of the year

04:45 Conclusions of the year

15:20 Album of the year

18:46 Book (fiction)

22:00 Book (nonfiction)

25:14 Podcast episode

26:47 Nightclub

30:02 Forgotten Hard Rock album

33:06 Best gig

36:56 Streaming platform

40:25 Worst album of the year

41:23 Worst track of the year

42:00 Coming up in 2026

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Full details.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!

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Kazim is an artist manager whose clients include Nightmares On Wax, and also the chief creative and brand officer at RA.

We discuss the mechanics of creative campaigns for new and legacy artists, the challenge of breaking new music, and the different obstacles in the way of older acts. We also discuss the music media landscape and the role of media in today's industry.

This is a rare chance to get the inside track on artist management and big music media platforms... get involved!

Music discussed in the episode…

https://jitwam.bandcamp.com

https://anaiis.bandcamp.com

https://saultglobal.bandcamp.com

https://nightmaresonwax.bandcamp.com

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:13 Episode start

04:52 Artist management vs. media platforms

07:55 Death of middle class in music

11:35 Successful artists can't tour

14:39 Everyone’s a DJ Now

17:38 Can albums still take years to break through?

21:08 Great music always shines through

24:04 100,000 songs a day

27:09 Going viral is the wrong goal

30:46 Success without social media

33:14 Word of mouth over algorithms

35:30 It’s always been a slog

39:00 Maintaining a legacy of an artist

45:00 Power in the catalogue

55:00 Working for Warp Records

01:01:35 Fans vs. listeners

01:03:20 Chasing the algorithm is not the way

01:04:50 Working at RA

01:12:08 The state of Berlin

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:13 Episode start

04:52 Artist management vs. media platforms

07:55 Death of middle class in music

11:35 Successful artists can't tour

14:39 Everyone’s a DJ Now

17:38 Can albums still take years to break through?

21:08 Great music always shines through

24:04 100,000 songs a day

27:09 Going viral is the wrong goal

30:46 Success without social media

33:14 Word of mouth over algorithms

35:30 It’s always been a slog

39:00 Maintaining a legacy of an artist

45:00 Power in the catalogue

55:00 Working for Warp Records

01:01:35 Fans vs. listeners

01:03:20 Chasing the algorithm is not the way

01:04:50 Working at RA

01:12:08 The state of Berlin

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Full details.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!

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Sam Binga is a DJ & Producer from Bristol, UK.

Having first emerged in the breaks scene of the early 2000s, in the 2010s he placed himself firmly at the centre of UK bass, with releases on 50 Weapons, Exit and Critical. His sound spans the anthemic rowdiness of tracks like ‘AYO’ and ‘Lef Dem’, to the deeper explorations of his collaborations with Om Unit. He also runs Pineapple Records, a crucial label in the patchwork of soundsystem-adjacent UK electronic music. 

We discuss the state of the current UK scene, his history through various areas of the UK bass scene, forthcoming music on Pineapple, and a lot more. 

Get involved! 

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:10 Longtime listener first-time caller

05:24 2025 recap

06:30 Pros and cons of self-releasing

11:00 Liking your own music

13:30 The producer’s mind

17:30 Intuition, magic, and fear of the future

24:30 Breakstep

30:00 Bao Binga, breaks, and nearly going Dubstep

34:00 The death of the alias

37:20 Early aspirations, career advice and mountain biking

41:41 Early 2000s and lower barriers to entry

43:44 Community before social media

48:30 What Makes a scene?

52:55 Sankeys, violence, police pressure

55:00 Seeing Jeff Mills at Sankeys

58:15 The 2010s House era

59:14 The birth of Sam Binga & Exit Records

01:08:10 UK Radio culture vs. US

01:17:20 Label philosophy: skate-team energy & A&R instinct

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Guy Brewer, aka Shifted, aka half of Commix, aka Carrier, made an appearance on our previous incarnation, the Not A Diving Podcast, a couple of years ago that was very popular. He returns with a new alias but a similar selection of wise takes on the electronic music scene and the challenges facing everyone trying to operate in it.

We discuss the new Carrier album, Rhythm Immortal, the challenge of genre expectations, the disappearing middle class of musicians, the (ir)relevance of record labels, and much more besides.

This is a good one!

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:48 Transition from Shifted to Carrier

04:48 Creative burnout

07:03 Creative Cycles & Starting Over

09:31 Musical Influences Behind Carrier

12:01 Genre ambiguity

15:04 Creative Rebirth

18:01 Industry vs. scene

21:01 The middle class of music has gone

24:02 Tech and lower barriers to entry

27:07 Does personality still matter?

31:13 Hard Techno is lifestyle branding

34:32 Aesthetics, label identity and scenes

38:20 Big tech, democratisation and gatekeeping

42:02 Self-release or label chase?

48:00 Art and intent

53:58 Production philosophy

01:00:02 Tools, workflow & sampling vs. modular

01:03:10 Creative ruts, flow states & longevity

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François X is a key figure in the history of French techno. From his DEMENT3D label and nights at Social Club to his residency at legendary club Concrete, he has helped redefine the music over time and made a huge contribution to its development in Paris and beyond.

We discuss all of the above, as well as the state of the scene right now and of course the music.

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Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

03:02 Episode start

04:15 State of Paris clubbing

08:00 Music evolution and changing sounds

14:00 Roots of Francois X sound

18:00 Repurposing influences

19:42 Booking Scuba & Joy Orbison

21:00 Concrete: The legendary club

32:12 Paris’ club culture identity

34:00 Quitting the day job

38:00 Disco, House and Techno

38:25 The origin of 'Francois X'

39:00 House music ruled the roost

42:10 Electroclash, French touch and Ed Banger

45:00 Soulful to Techy: Records that flipped it

48:00 Klockworks, MDR and Dub Techno

50:51 Production beginnings

52:25 DEMENT3D and starting a label

58:24 How would you start a label now?

01:05:50 Social media pressure and identity

01:11:50 What's next for Techno?

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Born in 2020 as an emergency response to the pandemic, Save The Night has grown into a global platform that supports the people and ideas keeping nightlife alive.

Through its annual Fund, Jägermeister provides €156,000 in funding, mentorship and visibility to bold projects - from making dancefloors more accessible, to pioneering greener club nights, to amplifying voices from grassroots creative communities.

Applications are now open for the Save The Night Fund. If you're a creative, a promoter, a venue owner, or simply passionate about building safer, more inclusive, and more sustainable nights, this is your chance to bring your vision to life. Check out jagermeister.com/exploration/save-the-night

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Mixtress is a London-based DJ and producer from Amsterdam known for her versatile sets that blend genres like UK hardcore, jungle, bassweight, techno, and dubstep. Raised with a strong musical foundation, she has performed at major venues like Printworks and Fabric, appeared on platforms such as Boiler Room, and holds resident DJ spots at Rinse FM and The Cause London.

We discuss her dance music roots in Amsterdam and London, the changing nature of DJs and their careers, notable DJ beefs, and the influence of Colin Faver.

This is the fourth and final of our recordings at ADE, thanks for listening! Back on regular episodes next week.

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 brought to you by Acid Nation

02:36 Episode start

03:02 Amsterdam origins

04:36 Majestic Casual era

06:04 Lapalux shaping her taste

09:00 University, Joy Orbison and dBridge

12:10 Major events shaping music

14:30 Cancel culture

17:14 Are there too many DJs?

19:00 Hustle mindset infiltrating club culture

23:07 Edit culture and TikTok trends

24:15 Defining her style

26:35 Realising she's a 'proper DJ'

29:03 COVID era and radio shows

30:43 Scene rebuilding

32:49 Post-COVID behaviours

37:20 Can the scene autocorrect itself?

40:03 Warm-up sets and etiquette

41:30 The big rant

43:35 Favourite parties to play

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Born in 2020 as an emergency response to the pandemic, Save The Night has grown into a global platform that supports the people and ideas keeping nightlife alive.

Through its annual Fund, Jägermeister provides €156,000 in funding, mentorship and visibility to bold projects - from making dancefloors more accessible, to pioneering greener club nights, to amplifying voices from grassroots creative communities.

Applications are now open for the Save The Night Fund. If you're a creative, a promoter, a venue owner, or simply passionate about building safer, more inclusive, and more sustainable nights, this is your chance to bring your vision to life. Check out jagermeister.com/exploration/save-the-night

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Sofia Ilyas is currently Beatport's Chief Community Officer, formerly a key figure at the Erased Tapes label, and an important force in the emergence of ambient/neoclassical superstar Nils Frahm.

We discuss her upbringing and subsequent escape from a highly conservative family in Wales, discovering electronic music in her late 20s, and eventual career in the industry.

This is a fascinating and unexpected conversation - get involved!

This is the third of our four recordings at ADE, the final one will be along shortly!

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:40 Intro

03:35 The Role of Chief Community Officer

05:40 Loneliness, creativity & connection

07:55 Changing Beatport’s culture

09:40 Building a role from scratch

11:10 Beatport’s redemption

14:23 Early life in Cardiff

15:31 Escaping ultraconservatism

19:45 Temple life

21:36 Discovering club culture

25:16 Meeting Nils Frahm

27:36 The rise of Erased Tapes

30:08 Creative experiments

32:15 Leaving Erased Tapes

35:00 Saying No and authenticity

40:24 Joining Beatport

41:30 Loneliness, grief & identity

44:20 Coaching the next generation

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Born in 2020 as an emergency response to the pandemic, Save The Night has grown into a global platform that supports the people and ideas keeping nightlife alive.

Through its annual Fund, Jägermeister provides €156,000 in funding, mentorship and visibility to bold projects - from making dancefloors more accessible, to pioneering greener club nights, to amplifying voices from grassroots creative communities.

Applications are now open for the Save The Night Fund. If you're a creative, a promoter, a venue owner, or simply passionate about building safer, more inclusive, and more sustainable nights, this is your chance to bring your vision to life. Check out jagermeister.com/exploration/save-the-night

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Dot Major is half of NIGHT manoeuvres (with ABSOLUTE), who are releasing via fabric's label. And he is also a member of London Grammar, one of the better bands to emerge from the UK in the last decade or so. 

We discuss his gradual journey into electronic music, what it's like breaking through in a big way, and some of the unusual things he's got up to along the way. 

This is the second of our four recordings at ADE, the next one will be along shortly! 

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:40 Intro

03:00 Missing moderator

04:11 The birth of NIGHT manoeuvres

05:16 Playing the Crane at ADE

06:31 Musical roots

09:30 HYPH MNGO and Dubstep

12:00 The roots of London Grammar

14:24 Blending live and electronic worlds

17:00 DJing, skill, and the soul of performance

20:06 Technology always wins

24:06 Baptism of fire at Printworks

28:03 Ibiza memories & the Lynx Africa hot tub

31:00 NIGHT manoeuvres from studio to stage

33:15 Gear talk

36:00 AI talk and the future of music

41:11 Favourite Dance albums

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This episode is sponsored by Jägermeister's Save The Night.

Born in 2020 as an emergency response to the pandemic, Save The Night has grown into a global platform that supports the people and ideas keeping nightlife alive.

Through its annual Fund, Jägermeister provides €156,000 in funding, mentorship and visibility to bold projects - from making dancefloors more accessible, to pioneering greener club nights, to amplifying voices from grassroots creative communities.

Applications are now open for the Save The Night Fund. If you're a creative, a promoter, a venue owner, or simply passionate about building safer, more inclusive, and more sustainable nights, this is your chance to bring your vision to life. Check out jagermeister.com/exploration/save-the-night

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The first of four conversations recorded at ADE last week. 

Joris Voorn is a key figure in Dutch house and techno, and actually the genre as a whole. 

Releasing albums since 2004, he's been a fixture on the biggest stages for basically the entirety of the intervening period, and carved out a distinctive sound without ever pandering to the fashions of the day. 

He's also thoroughly nice chap who talks very well about the music and culture that surrounds it. 

Stay tuned for the other three conversations coming over the course of the next couple of weeks.

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

02:30 Intro

04:18 ADE & Amsterdam

06:15 Ibiza: Then vs. Now

10:53 Genres

14:35 Minimal was a shockwave

16:27 Albums & consistency

19:50 “I thought you needed a 303 to make Techno”

23:57 Carl Cox the kingmaker

26:08 “All the music I made, probably 1% got released”

34:00 Creative change and backlash

36:10 ‘Serotonin’ and personal loss

38:09 The songwriting process

44:00 “You can’t tell if it’s AI or Human anymore”

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Perc is one of modern techno's reference points: an internationally touring DJ and live act, founder of the scene-leading Perc Trax label and one of the most respected producers in techno today.

We discuss his early period of hardware experimentation, the birth of Perc the artist project as well as the Perc Trax label, recent developments in techno, and the evolution of his sound. 

This is a crucial conversation with one of the absolute key figures in the history of UK techno. Get involved! 

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:23 Perc

04:27 Techno DJing today

06:26 A weekend of cancellations

07:24 Tresor and Techno

11:26 Berghain reflections

18:39 Early life & musical roots

21:13 From Metal bands to machines

26:35 Studying Music Production

36:07 The birth of Perc

39:59 Working at Prime

48:01 Collapse of vinyl's golden age

50:58 Life after Prime

55:50 Learning the label game

59:30 Nucleus records and gaming the charts

01:05:30 Perctrax

01:09:00 Social media, hype, and longevity

01:13:25 Mentoring challenges

01:16:40 Tiptoeing around Hard Techno

01:24:43 The worst thing for Perctrax

01:26:00 Best Techno parties now

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A boycott is the end of a conversation, not the start. 

On Music Not Diving this week, we discuss whether Spotify is such an exceptional case of evil that it deserves be made an example of, or whether there might be another platform, for instance one owned by a Communist dictatorship, which might better fit the bill. 

And we give thanks to Cory Doctorow for his theoretical underpinning to the episode, which also features in the title! 

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

04:00 Enshittification

13:27 The Napster era

18:40 Is Spotify a special case?

25:00 AI music in streaming

31:15 Tiktok is a music streamer

37:55 The real problem is distribution

41:45 Do labels still add value?

Honestly this could easily have been twice as long and there are many issues which are omitted or insufficiently covered... but it took nearly a whole day to record and edit and that's about the limit of my pay grade! 

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

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DJ Bone is a legend of Detroit techno, and previous guest on the original version of this show, episode 73 of the Not A Diving Podcast.

We discuss the latest goings on between Motor City and his adopted home of Amsterdam, his recent album The End Of Never... and whether DJs really need to learn how to beatmatch. 

A welcome return from one of our favourite guests in the history of the show! 

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

03:00 DJ Bone

05:18 “Professor Bone time”

07:01 Prince, Mojo & the birth of Detroit Techno loyalty

012:26 “People forgot how to rave”

15:30 Creeping commercialisation

21:00 Music and distribution

23:15 10,000 vinyl records

30:20 Beatmatching is DJing 101

35:49 The next gen and mentorship

41:03 “They're too worried about a career before they hone their craft”

47:00 Music is therapy and the album process

57:00 Playing your own music out

62:00 Detroit vs the world

01:06:10 Aphex Twins and Moodymann

01:11:00 Techno is political

01:22:30 Homeless homies

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Paul Ćinske is the man behind every single booking at the most important club in the history of techno (maybe)... Tresor.

We discuss the current state of the Berlin scene, the changes since the trauma of the pandemic, his role at the venue in detail, the importance of one person steering the creative ship of a club like Tresor... and much else besides.

We haven't had anything quite like this on the show before, and Paul does not disappoint!

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro

02:00 Paul Ćinske

04:22 That classic Berlin cliche

08:22 Future Music and the Melbourne scene

09:00 Berlin’s clubbing landscape

11:48 First impressions of Berlin

14:45 Berlin = Techno city

17:25 Small venues and the ecosystem

21:50 Has raving in a dark room become less attractive?

25:00 Less stigma with older ravers

31:10 Ticketing culture vs. Berlin’s door policy

35:05 If FWD was down to ticket figures…

38:30 Working as Tresor’s booker

46:00 OM is the great humbler

47:30 Tresor’s reopening & post-pandemic recovery

54:02 Creative direction of Tresor

01:04:00 Legacy, identity & the future

01:09:30 Büro Siebzig

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Returning guest Darren Hemmings is a music marketing expert and the founder of a creative marketing agency specialising in music called Motive Unknown.

He's also the author of the excellent Network Notes Substack.

How do you break through in 2025? How do you even get your music heard? These problems are as pertinent for acts signed to big labels as it is for people just starting out.

Is streaming a problem? And what is the role of labels today? We address all these things and much more besides in a vital conversation for anyone with even a passing interest in music, the industry, and the development of culture in today’s big tech- dominated world.

This is a great conversation with a returning guest who will definitely be on the show again!

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

02:41 Intro

04:34 Music marketing: constantly changing… or just copycatting?

07:59 The Death of Monoculture

12:30 Why do labels exist anymore?

14:35 Labels as a nexus point

18:05 Big Tech hates teenage girls

20:07 Music is worth… nothing

22:07 Flood the market with crap

26:10 Sorry, but not everyone’s an artist

27:13 Raves without phones

29:55 The “S” word

35:53 The importance of local scenes

39:20 What does change look like

44:46 Déjà Vu: The next music industry collapse

48:23 Oasis, K-Pop, and the price of nostalgia

55:00 Did Indie labels blow their shot?

56:05 Private equity, KKR and boycotting

01:04:21 The role of journalism and criticism

01:08:14 Is Gen Z missing out?

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Jamz Supernova is one of the UK’s most respected DJs and broadcasters. Best known for her shows on BBC Radio 1Xtra and BBC 6 Music, she's built a reputation as a champion of forward-thinking sounds, spanning R&B, future soul, club music, and the global underground.

Beyond her broadcasting career, Jamz is also the founder of Future Bounce, the label and club brand that has become a platform for innovative new talent. From curating radio shows and festival stages to running her own imprint, she has established herself as a key voice shaping the conversation around contemporary music in the UK and beyond.

We discuss her experiences in broadcasting, the various ways people find their way in music careers, and what it's like being a judge on the Mercury Music Prize.

Get involved!

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro

03:10 Podcast vs. Radio

06:30 Getting into the industry

09:52 Influences and aspirations

12:03 Deptford, Millwall and gentrification

13:48 Radio does nothing for kids

18:20 The biggest challenge for artists

18:44 2008 Financial crash and DIY Hustle

19:57 Starting at 1Xtra

26:40 Black British Music in the mainstream

30:02 “You shouldn’t like everything I play”

34:26 Brit School

40:35 UK Funky, Dubstep and Rinse

44:44 Traumatic first DJ gig

49:14 “I’m never mixing RnB and Hip-Hop”

53:17 Gilles Peterson

56:00 Being a multi-genre DJ

59:03 Bridging Radio and Club audiences

01:03:40 The homogenisation of production

01:07:50 Being a Mercury Prize judge

01:13:50 The genius of Dizzee Rascal

01:15:42 Artistic freedom

01:16:55 Predjudice and Radio 6

01:20:08 3 Biggest tunes of the Summer

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Pendulum are the biggest Drum n Bass act of all time. A controversial statement perhaps but one that ChatGPT agrees with. 

El Hornet is the band's DJ, a member since day 1 of Pendulum in Perth, Australia, and a man who has been on every step of the journey along with Rob Swire and Gareth McGrillen. 

They have a new album out called Inertia, and it's their first one since 2010. It's both very modern and very recognisable as a Pendulum record, which might say as much about their wider influence on dance music as anything else. 

We discuss the scene in 90s Perth, playing in punk bands, moving to the UK in 2003, taking over the scene and ultimately outgrowing it. Oh and playing before Beyoncé at Glastonbury. 

Some mad stuff in this one - you're gonna enjoy it! 

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Chapters:

00:00 Join Acid Nation

00:59 Intro

02:43 El Hornet

03:14 The new album

06:40 The influence on Skrillex

08:00 Breaking the DnB mould

08:57 Knife Party and being competitive

09:52 DJing after Andy C

11:09 Lightening up

13:03 “You blink and you’re a legacy act’

19:03 Genres are important

20:50 Dubstep in the US

26:07 Perth, Australia

35:14 Mining and meth

39:15 Moving to the UK

51:10 Breaking through

57:15 The new record

01:03:00 The DnB ethos

01:05:28 Singing over Drum n Bass

01:08:06 Current state of the scene

01:11:00 Beyoncé at Glastonbury

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We are finally back with a brand new episode!

Kelly Lee Owens is one of the most notable UK electronic musicians to emerge over the last decade. An album artist, she released her first LP back in 2017 and the most recent, Dreamstate was released on dh2 in 2024.

We discuss her past as a Taekwondo black belt, experiences with the supernatural, making music without knowledge of theory, the mechanics of releasing music today, as well as the challenges facing musicians and the scene more widely.

This is a good one!

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro

03:18 Episode starts

03:43 Wrestling stan

06:13 The 5 tenets needed for Taekwondo and Music

07:30 Haunted hotels

10:35 Welsh folklore and wizardry

17:40 Music theory and the decline of music education

27:45 Waiting for the magic to happen

28:54 The importance of collaboration

32:42 "The weight of an album will never change''

39:10 The creative process shouldn't be easy

43:30 Making the first album

49:55 The album campaign lifecycle

54:58 The rise in marketing and branding

58:40 Flogging artists and mental health

01:04:16 Working as a nurse

01:05:22 Ozzy Osbourne

01:07:24 The importance of a manager

01:09:45 Getting into Dance music

01:12:58 Decline of small venues and culture

01:18:23 The rise in touring costs

01:20:24 The Festivalisation of Dance Music

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Skream was the poster boy for the early dubstep scene, then made the charts as part of Magnetic Man, and since then forged a unique path through different areas of dance music while always maintaining the personality that made him a star in the first place.

This conversation was first broadcast in September 2023, episode 85 of our previous incarnation, the Not A Diving Podcast. And more people have listened to it than any of our other 200-odd episodes.

We discuss what the very early years of dubstep were really like, and what happened when the Americans got involved. What it was like being marketed as an old fashioned rock n roll hellraiser, the fun that was had and the pressure that came with it. And we get into how the music and the scene has changed along the way.

This is a great chat with a legend of UK music - worth a re-spin even if you listened the first time round, and absolutely essential listening if you missed it!

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro

02:45 Skreamizm 8

08:12 Lockdown Tunes & Addictive Process

20:40 Staying True, Not Conforming

30:48 Different Definitions of Success

34:15 Transition to House

43:46 Autonomic Influence

50:32 Stories Before the Sober Journey

1:00:41 Generational Marketability

1:07:54 Upbringing, Escapism, Maturing

1:15:55 How Magnetic Man’s Pop Sound Influenced American Dubstep

1:23:33 Genre Gatekeeping in DNB, Jungle, and Garage

1:28:40 (Big) Apple Records

1:39:10 Scene Development Differences

1:47:33 Panorama Bar & DoLab Experiences

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro and Bandcamp alternatives

07:50 What is Bandcamp and D2C?

15:45 Bandcamp vs the whole industry

19:00 Growth, efficiency, takeovers

26:00 Single point of failure?

36:00 Are dance music fans stingy?

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Stuart McMillan is half of Slam, one of the most important UK techno acts in history and absolute key players in the world of Scottish electronic music.

The new Slam album, Dark Channel is out now on their own Soma imprint - one of the most important UK techno labels and a conversation in itself.

We discuss the story of Slam from the mid 80s onwards, traversing the Acid House experience in Glasgow into the 90s rave era and beyond. We talk about Daft Punk releasing their early singles on Soma and the history of the label more generally. And we discuss the modern techno scene in Scotland and across the world.

Another point of conversation is the 2018 Slam album Athenaeum 101 - a really great piece of work which very much deserves another look and listen.

Scotland has been criminally neglected on the podcast up til now so this is a great way to start addressing the balance! 

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro

02:54 Glasgow techno scene

12:20 New Slam album - Dark Channel

21:50 Divisions in society and music

28:45 Is techno political?

34:10 Early years in music

40:40 Acid House and rave in Glasgow

01:01:50 Early Slam productions

01:15:30 The label - Soma

01:18:30 Discovering Daft Punk

01:27:55 The best club in the world

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No full episode this week but an update on our scheduling woes and what we have coming up for the rest of the summer.

Oh and the world's worst Spotify take.

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We've covered techno quite a lot over the years, but this episode is definitely one of our favourites.

Originally broadcast May 2024, we were discussing the LB Dub Corp album Saturn To Home. But we talk about a lot more than that!

Normal service will resume on Tuesday 29 July.

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro

01:52 Luke Slater's definition of Techno

05:20 Techno vs Rave

09:30 Dance music vs Rave Culture

15:40 Modern festivals

18:30 Early 90s Techno wars

30:00 Using aliases

35:00 LB Dub Corp - Saturn To Home

43:00 Vocalists on the album

57:20 On very long tracks

01:05:30 Berlin clubs

01:13:00 Problems in the modern club scene

01:24:00 Different eras of Hard Techno

01:33:40 Internationalism in the dance scene

01:37:00 Techno recommendations!

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Denise Devenish is a psychotherapist who specialises in treating musicians, offering a specialist service for those working in music and the creative industries.

She describes herself as having grown up "in a family steeped in the music business and having been surrounded by musicians and industry folk my whole life" and having "witnessed first hand the unique highs and lows that working in the industry entails."

So of course this is an interesting person to talk to!

We discuss the extent of the mental health crisis in the creative industries (as well as the wider economy), the differences in the younger generation and their attitudes to drug and alcohol, the "art comes from pain" and "genius requires madness" tropes, and the changes that digital music has brought to participants in the industry.

The book we refer to is Can Music Make You Sick? by Sally Anne Gross and George Musgrave (aka Context). A key input into that is Jodi Dean's Communucative Capitalism (2005), which I also recommend.

This a really interesting discussion of some pertinent issues!

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

03:39 Who is Denise Devenish?

07:45 Mental health challenges in creative industries

13:30 The realities of creative work

20:40 Suffering for your art

27:30 On-stage characters

30:50 Challenges of different levels of success

36:10 Metrics of value in digital music

43:30 Are young people really drinking less?

50:00 What are the treatment options?

01:07:00 Early experiences

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This is easily in my top 3 favourite episodes of the 170-odd we've done. The sound of it was originally pretty terrible though, it was a constant battle in the early days of the podcast to get people recording in good spaces.

Luckily we kept most of the individual mic channels and the software has come on leaps and bounds recently, so it's now very easy to convert a very roomy mic recording into something that sounds like it was done in a proper radio studio.

Steve Davis was one of the very biggest sporting celebrities in the 1980s. He totally dominated the sport of snooker in Tiger Woods-like fashion, winning the world title six times and setting unprecedented levels of excellence in front of enormous television audiences. The 18m who tuned in on BBC2 to watch him lose the 1985 final on the final ball of the final frame, well after midnight, is still a record.

But he's also a major music head, DJ and modular synth-playing member of experimental group The Utopia Strong, who has always been a very interesting character. The Utopia Strong releases since we first broadcast this conversation two years ago are... well, strong, especially the BBC Sessions release which was recorded in a live session at the legendary Maida Vale studios.

And he's also Eddie Hearn's Godfather.

So we talk about all of the above, but perhaps most interestingly the experience of fame at that level and how to cope with it. Having a really top manager helps, we discover.

This is well worth a re-listen if you caught it first time round, and if you didn't - well, you're in for a treat.

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

04:45 Warming up for Blur

10:50 The legend of Magma

12:40 Starting a DJ career

21:15 Getting into modular

25:15 The Utopia Strong - influences

28:30 Playing music live vs playing professional snooker

40:00 Dealing with nerves

42:30 Issues with quitting professional sport

48:00 Longevity in music careers

54:00 Professionalisation of snooker

59:00 Management and Barry (and Eddie) Hearn

01:13:30 The pressures of fame

01:21:30 On Stephen Hendry and Jimmy White

01:24:15 The 1985 World Championship Final

01:29:30 The similarities of flow in sport and music

01:33:40 On going on I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here

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James Holden is a highly respected electronic musician from the UK. He first broke through in the late 90s with his trance-crossover anthem 'Horizons', and quickly became established as an expert producer and DJ. Following his first album 'The Idiots Are Winning', released like almost all of his music on his own label Border Community label, his sound has evolved in expansive and unexpected ways, culminating in 2023's 'Imagine This Is a High Dimensional Space of All Possibilities' and most recently 'The Universe Will Take Care Of You' with Waclaw Zimpel.

We discuss his changing approaches to making recording and performing, his relationship with nightclubs and DJ culture, the specifics of making his most recent albums, and the nature of music as art.

We also attempt to get him to dish the dirt on big name DJs but he turns out to be the model of discretion!

This is a good one, stick it on, and then listen to his recent catalogue - it's truly amazing work.

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

03:33 DJing and nightclubs

09:30 Playing live

13:00 Originality

16:00 Meeting Waclaw Zimpel

21:30 Improvisation

32:10 Jamming or songwriting

36:30 Awful superstar DJs and meeting heroes

39:40 Composition and coding

48:30 Is recorded music a historical blip?

57:00 Recording session in Morocco

01:08:00 DJing as art

01:14:40 The Animal Spirits

01:19:30 Imagine This Is A High Dimensional Space Of All Possibilities

01:28:30 Influential albums

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We've been talking a lot in recent weeks about politics in dance music. Over on the Patreon feed we did a bonus episode covering the debate around private equity in festivals, of which there will be a second part this week. There will be a solo podcast covering all that on the main feed in the next couple of weeks but in the meantime we wanted to return to one of the absolute best episodes we've done, one which covered many of the wider themes that have come to the forefront of the discussion recently, from all the way back in March 2023.

Tijana T is a DJ from Serbia. She's been involved in the scene in Belgrade one way or another since the 90s, a period which for obvious reasons was extremely fraught across the whole region. The discussion covers her wider career, but we spend a lot of time discussing the effect that conflict has on art, and on artists. From a position of direct experience, Tijana speaks with real insight on these topics.

Covering this sort of thing is difficult. Not least because we get blocked from promoting our videos on Youtube when certain topics are even mention. But this is the important stuff that's happening in culture right now, and while tackling anything of it with a degree of nuance is a serious challenge, it's one that we enjoy on this show.

Even if you listened to this episode the first time round we highly recommend giving it another spin. It's highly relevant to what is going on today.

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Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

02:32 the problems with music journalism

12:40 privilege in dance music

21:20 developing as an artist in Serbia

33:30 the rave scene in 90s Belgrade

47:10 war in Yugoslavia and the dance scene

56:00 representing Serbia as an artist today

01:06:00 the war in Ukraine and the dance scene

01:22:00 performative activism in music

01:35:00 musical pigeonholing

01:40:30 DJs and personal branding

01:48:30 favourite DJ mixes

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Andy Cato is half of Groove Armada - one of the biggest ever UK dance acts and source of some of the biggest hits of the late 90s and early 2000s. 

To a younger audience, however, he might be more familiar as the guy who does regenerative farming on Top Gear alumnus and pantomime villain Jeremy Clarkson's weirdly successful Amazon show 'Clarkson's Farm'. 

This is an interesting combination to say the least, and really we could've done with another couple of hours to explore the two things in full, and also the link between. But an hour is all we had on the day... because Andy had to go off to film with Clarkson.

We actually focus mostly on the second half of Andy's career during this conversation - I found the prep for this so interesting that I had a ton of questions on his journey to prominence in this area, as a farmer but also a co-founder of the Wildfarmed organisation, and also the area itself. 

But we also get into the music too. 

Episode 1 of Farming Not Diving it is...

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

03:14 Getting into farming - France

09:40 European agriculture

15:00 Agriculture in the US

19:00 Regenerative farming

36:00 The food industry

44:00 Farming and climate change

50:30 What is rewilding?

55:00 Music!

58:20 Working with Clarkson

01:01:20 Hit records

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How important is it for musicians to have a political message? Not just the platitudinous virtue signalling that many in the arts indulge in - but a real message that poses a challenge to the powerful forces in society? That's a question that sounds like it has an easy answer to it, but reality is always more complicated.

Hot Chip's Joe Goddard joined us on stage last summer at Lost Village festival for a chat in front of an audience that you can find on this episode of our previous incarnation - the Not A Diving Podcast. But this episode is not that - Joe joined us in the studio earlier this month for a 'proper' episode in which we tackle the above questions and a lot more besides.

We also discuss the process for making a Hot Chip record, and also the processes behind his solo material. We talk about his work a producer for other acts and his music making philosophy more generally. We continue on the topic of grunge from our last conversation, and we ponder the challenges of staying relevant in music over a long career.

Joe is one of the good ones and you're gonna enjoy this!

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Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

04:00 new Hot Chip album sessions

07:00 writing music in the studio

12:00 working with different producers

17:30 the art of music production

25:00 jamming and song writing

32:30 Kneecap and Rage Against The Machine

41:00 is politics in music important?

53:20 is the streaming model evil?

01:05:00 the debate over ticket prices

01:09:00 the economics of live tours

01:17:40 reasons to be optimistic

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Is the club scene dead? Have festivals killed it? Or are festivals themselves in terminal decline? Or is everything actually doing great in live music, humming along nicely with a rosy future?

These are questions inexpertly pondered in the usual morass of music discussion, but on this week’s episode we are graced with real expertise on the subject.

Steve Hogan is a partner and senior agent at one of the world’s biggest talent agencies - WME - who looks after acts including Pete Tong, Eric Prydz, and Groove Armada.

He's a twenty-year veteran at the company who has seen it all in the live sector and particularly the electronic side of it.

We address the aforementioned questions, as well as discussing the role of the agent in an artist’s career, ticketing and the role of Ticketmaster, and we also get into the topical question of politics in music and the specific example of Kneecap.

Strap in for some expert opinion!

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

04:30 Big hitters

08:40 State of the club scene

12:22 Super clubs changing the landscape

16:05 Relationship between fans and artists

20:44 Growing organically

21:55 Keeping one foot in clubland

22:46 Clubs are the lifeblood of what we do

27:17 We’re all still clubbers at heart

29:27 Techno at 195bpm

30:16 On Keinemusik

31:27 Martin Garrix and fireworks

32:10 On UKG resurgence

34:46 London is the leader

35:51 The pros and cons of festivals

40:48 Cost of living crisis

45:30 Balancing the needs of the artist

46:26 Artist integrity

48:30 Politics and music

52:40 Ticket prices and hidden costs

01:02:36 Live bands vs. DJing

1:06:45 Fish56Octagon

1:08:48 TikTok in the industry

1:12:05 Nightmare scenarios

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What does the short-lived Lo-FI House trend of the late 2010s have in common with the subprime mortgage crisis of the previous decade?

On this episode with one of the biggest names to emerge from the aforementioned scene we find out.

Lo-Fi was very much a 21st Century style of breakout, via Facebook groups and tunes posted to YouTube months before getting signed. But the wiser participants in the scene, including DJ Seinfeld and Ross From Friends, got out early and almost without exception carved out successful careers for themselves.

Baltra, a Philly native who got into music after a move to NYC, epitomised that trend. His 2019 album Ted - a tribute to to his late father - was a step outside of the parameters of the scene that had got him noticed, and since then he's established himself as a fixture on the global DJ circuit and one of house music's most interesting producers.

We discuss all of that, plus his previous, slightly inauspicious career on Wall Street and his experience working in the sector during the biggest crisis in the industry since the 1929 crash.

Get involved!

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

05:42 NYC scene

13:35 On Lo-Fi House

16:18 Bad publicity

22:04 Developing scenes

27:50 Breaking out of Lo-FI

34:09 DJing in New York

35:48 Making 'Ted'

44:35 Slowed down TikTok tunes

46:28 Musical journey

52:36 Studying Finance at NYU

01:00:10 Working on Wall Street in 08

01:05:30 Getting fired

01:11:26 Manipulation and skullduggery on the floor

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What's the link between repetitive beats, wellness, neuroscience, and phones in nightclubs?

We discover on this week's episode with someone who has written a very interesting book, 'Music Is Medicine', covering these topics and a lot more besides. 

Emma Marshall's career in the industry was initially in roles at giants such as CAA & Sony, but the wider story told in the book led her to found Movement is Medicine, a groundbreaking education and research platform that explores how rhythm, BPM, and tempo influence the body and mind.

As well as discussing her personal journey, we cover topics including the reimagining of nightclubs, the significance of repetitive rhythms in societies throughout history, music therapy, as well as the cost of those cameras intruding into the rave. 

This is a really interesting one... get involved! 

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

05:21 Drum n Bass as first love

12:21 Mystery illness

19:51 Alternative treatments

23:51 PTSD and trauma

24:39 Working with functional medicine

27:12 Hyperthermia

30:36 Frogs as medicine

33:16 Fake shamans

41:14 Finding God

42:55 Music as healing

46:05 On Plague raves

49:21 Observing tribes

51:36 Trance dance

54:43 Vision questing

58:16 Raving is not content

1:00:06 The effect of rhythm on the body

1:02:12 Rhythm as a spectrum

1:05:01 Phones and dancefloors

1:09:06 MDMA the love molecule

1:14:36 Music and sobriety

1:16:48 Changes in consumption habits

1:21:06 Movement is medicine

1:28:06 Parties going underground again

1:33:36 Music as therapy

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Death In Vegas broke through in the late 90s with a run of albums beginning with 'Dead Elvis', a classic of the era that brought together many of the sonic trends of the not-quite-dancefloor, back to mine side of the dance scene. The new album, Death Mask, is out soon.

As a DJ, Richard Fearless has remained a crucial figure throughout. A resident at the Heavenly Social in that late 90s era, he has more recently been running the 'Goo' parties with Daniel Avery in London and across the world. 

In this conversation we cover Richard's leadup to the point of breaking through with debut single 'Opium Shuffle', growing up in apartheid-era Africa, as well as the classic period of hedonism at clubs like Turnmills and across the world. 

And we also get the positive case for dance music in 2025. 

Richard is a highly engaging guy with some great stories... you're going to love this one!

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro

04:50 Self-releasing music

09:40 The first album

12:30 Growing up in Africa

15:20 Working at Reckless records

17:30 Changing habits of digging

23:00 Techno the sound of Detroit

26:40 Back to mine ideology

28:05 Andrew Weatherall

34:32 Acid House

43:54 Fame, success and getting dropped

49:38 Oasis, back to school and New York

58:05 Studio gear and the creative process

01:05:30 Supporting Nine Inch Nails

01:10:15 London as an engine

01:14:34 Starting a night with Daniel Avery

01:20:55 Running a label

01:25:24 Reasons to be optimistic

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Everyone loves a bit of nostalgia, but can you be too retro? And what do you need to do to take a classic piece of art and update it into something new?

These questions are addressed on this week's episode, in which we welcome arguably the most important producer in the new wave of Jungle that has caught the imagination of so many people over the past few years.

We also discuss the broader Jungle/DnB scene today, and how the various parts of it fit together, as well as Tim's personal pathway from first hearing an Andy C cd at school in the mid 2000s to his current position.

And we also discuss his label, Future Retro, and the changing tactics and strategies required to be successful in today's landscape.

Get involved!

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

05:00 Can you be too retro?

06:18 Being the new torchbearer for Jungle

12:30 Jungle in the wider world of DnB

17:30 The role of Internet Forums

27:26 Learning to use FL Studio

39:00 Getting into DJing

43:45 Digital vs vinyl

52:25 Functional music

55:00 Future Retro the label

01:06:00 The modern Jungle audience

01:12:30 Storytelling in Music

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Train Wrecks is a podcast hosted by this week's guest that has been going since 2016. Even taking into account a few breaks along the way, that makes it (by our calculations) the longest running piece of alternative media in the electronic music space. So it's great to welcome Dustin Zahn to Music Not Diving for an episode that will be going up on both feeds.

Dustin has a wealth of experience in techno, having released extensively as well as running his Enemy Records label. But his interest in music goes beyond that, and we discuss a wide range of issues concerning the scene today and the historic context of rave in the US.

We also discuss whether counterculture is back in fashion, the political nature of rave, the cyclical nature of the music, and the current golden age of standup comedy.

This is a good one!

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

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Elijah is one of the deepest thinkers in underground culture. Having first come to prominence in the second wave of Grime along with Skilliam and their label Butterz, and as an artist manager to UK DJ Flava D amongst others, he has reinvented himself in recent years with the Yellow Squares project which seeks to encourage debate around the changing nature of the UK music scene.

His appearance on episode 41 of the audio-only predecessor of this show (link below) was one of the most popular and best episodes, so it's great to welcome him back for a full video episode.

The Yellow Squares project is now a book which you can get hold of here: https://velocitypress.uk/product/elijah-close-the-app-make-the-ting/

We discuss the changing landscape of the UK music scene, from the decline of music's audibility generally in London itself to the obligation (or not) of successful acts to support smaller venues. We also discuss the push for diversity in recent years and associated trap of tokenism, as well as the changing role of artist management over time and the obsession of Xtra radio programmers with a particular 20 year-old Joe Budden track.

And we also touch on the cultural influence of professional wrestling and the need for more heels in music...

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

07:30 Yellow Squares project phase 2

11:53 Not enough UK festival headliners

13:47 'We're a small nation of old people'

18:50 The need to do things differently

21:30 DJ AG is the most important DJ in the UK

25:55 Keep London loud

32:10 Should big DJs play in small clubs?

34:16 Black British music on vinyl

31:30 Corporate sell outs

46:10 Diversity of the money

54:00 Public speaking gigs

59:20 The changing role of artist managers

01:09:50 The problem with 1Xtra radio programming

01:17:25 The role of the BBC in music

01:19:40 Peak authenticity: kayfabe and UK music

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What happens when you sign on to a label roster that contains The Arctic Monkeys, Jon Hopkins, and Hot Chip... and the drummer quits your band on the release day of the first single?

This and other pertinent questions are answer on this week's episode. Lawrence Hart is still signed to Domino Records, but now as a solo artist whose debut album, Come In Out Of The Rain, will be released imminently. 

We also discuss his background as a jazz musician, travelling all over America with various bands in his formative years, and get into one of our favourite recurring questions on the show - the one about music theory in dance music. 

This is a good one! Check it out. 

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

03:40 What's in a name?

06:00 Working with George FitzGerald

11:40 Early experiences in music

15:30 Studying Jazz in New York City

18:21 Music theory and dance music

20:45 NYC Jazz clubs

22:45 Discovering electronic music

25:30 Touring in America

28:30 Signing to Domino with Little Cub

35:20 Going solo as Lawrence Hart

40:00 The decline of bands

46:53 Playing electronic music live

53:30 The perils of sample clearance

59:30 Burial influence

01:06:00 Key changes in modern pop

01:11:00 More on the new LH album

01:12:40 Key synths on the album

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Is Jane Fitz a DJ's DJ? Even though we hate the term, it probably applies here... 

A DJ of more than 25 years and a crucial figure in underground house and techno, Jane is also a promoter of some of the best parties in the UK over a similar time period. 

We discuss her roots in London, experiences living in Hong Kong during the 90s, and her route into DJing via magazine journalism and record collecting. And of course we cover her seminal parties, Peg, and Night Moves which is still running sporadically when suitable venues can be found. 

This is a great conversation with someone who does things the right way... get involved! 

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

05:30 Current raves in South America

07:30 What is 'underground'?

18:20 Music is no longer the most important thing

23:13 Anxiety in the younger audience

25:45 Rock shows vs Clubs

28:30 Early experiences with music

32:50 A lifetime of collecting vinyl

38:20 DJing with vinyl or USB

43:32 First DJ gigs

46:30 Discovering Jeff Mills

48:35 Living in Hong Kong

01:01:40 Moving back to the UK

01:04:30 Promoting parties in London - PEG

01:10:30 Promoting Night Moves

01:14:54 Smoking ban and noise complaints affect UK clubs

01:20:30 Should big DJs play small clubs?

01:26:00 Problems with the dance press

01:35:50 Italian deep house recommendations

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We had our first bit of negative feedback last week... 'too much deconstruction of the club scene' they said! Or something along those lines anyway. Unfortunately this episode was already in the can when we read that, so that person is going to have to soldier on for another week...

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Spencer Parker is a Brit, but also something of an underground legend of Berlin having lived there for 15 years and been part of the clubbing furniture for about the same length of time. He's the long-time a&r of Work Them records, a producer with a catalogue going back to the the mid 2000s (although he always plays this down massively), and a serious DJ who's been on the circuit for that long too. 

This is a phone conversation that covers many of the familiar topics of scene development, challenges, personal experiences, and music curiosity. But we also discuss HorsegiirL and PC Music. 

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

04:00 The enduring appeal of Berlin

09:20 Heartbreak and leaving London

15:45 easyJet Techno

23:00 Subculture to mainstream

28:30 "If the DJ wants to be on the stage, don't book them"

31:30 Getting into club music

36:50 The decline of the anthem

42:00 An infinite amount of music

45:00 Fake it til you make it culture

47:30 DJ HorsegirrL

59:40 Working in a record shop

01:07:00 Becoming a DJ

01:15:00 Progressing into production

01:19:50 Perseverance and DJing

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The DJ / Producer / Label boss paradigm is a classic career path in dance music, not least in the case of the presenter of this show. But few have nailed all three elements quite as well over the last three decades as this week's guest on the show.

Blueprint is James Ruskin's label - an absolute foundation of UK techno, and techno generally it should be said, with seminal releases from the likes of DVS1, Mark Broom, Oliver Ho, Sigha, as well as the boss himself. It will soon be celebrating 30 years of releases, which is a pretty incredible achievement.

As a producer he's released prolifically outside his own imprint, most notably via an association with Tresor that goes back to the 90s. And as a DJ he's been a key part of the UK scene and beyond for at least that long too.

We discuss familiar themes such as the state of the scene today, the comparative challenges of releasing music over a thirty year period, the evolution of his approach to work in the studio, amongst a lot of other stuff besides.

This is a great conversation with an absolute key man. Get involved!

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

03:50 The definition of Techno

11:05 Small clubs vs. festivals

16:30 Hard Techno and 30 year cycles

20:33 "Minimal was so fucking boring"

25:39 30 years of Blueprint

35:45 UK Techno brotherhood

37:30 Digital vs. Vinyl

46:25 "I still buy vinyl every week"

49:50 Hip-Hop, Beat Street and Breakdance

54:05 Learning how to mix in the club

58:11 Illegal raves and commercialisation

01:01:33 The legend of LOST

01:06:00 The importance of Tresor

01:10:13 Playing Detroit tunes in Detroit

01:11:15 Techno in Spain

01:16:40 James Ruskin the race car driver

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Welcome to the first episode of Music Not Diving! Watch the full video version of this episode over at youtube.com/@WeNotDiving

It's very far from perfect but it is out on time and no-one ever does perfect drops anymore do they?

There is one perfect aspect to the new show though, and that is the first guest. Tom Middleton is a true don of electronic music. From his seminal work with Mark Pritchard as Global Communication and Jedi Knights, through multiple solo albums, and collaborations with luminaries such as Matthew Herbert, the man's record is unimpeachable.

Perhaps just as interestingly though, is his second career as a sleep coach, sensory designer, and pioneer of audio therapeutics for sleep, relaxation, pain management, and cognitive performance. He's a co-founder of White Mirror, where he crafts health-driven sensory content and experiences, and a sleep science expert and neuroscience researcher. His therapeutic audio helps millions through Calm, Apple Music and Breathonics.

So this is a highly interesting conversation, and a great way to start the new show.

Grab the GCOM album discussed here

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Not A Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro and how you can support the show

04:00 Working as a sleep coach

08:43 Top tips for good sleep

14:15 Touring life as a DJ

17:08 Narcolepsy and jet lag in Miami

24:10 Psychedelics and therapy

35:40 The untapped 66.3 trillion industry

42:00 Origins and the Cornwall Electronic mafia

45:55 Being introduced to Aphex Twin

52:00 Music theory vs. instinct

01:02:00 Meeting Mark Pritchard and forming Global Communication

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We will be back next week with some important changes to the show... but in the meantime we bring you another chance to catch one of our favourite ever episodes. From all the way back on episode 73, it's DJ Bone!

The majority of DJs spent the pandemic mostly of stood in front of a camera, attempting to perform the impossible task of transplanting a rave into the bedrooms of the few people lucky enough to be watching at the other end of a fibre optic cable.

We are only beginning to come to terms with the implications of what the failure of that approach have had for our culture, but DJ Bone did something completely different.

'Further' was a hugely successful series of events which combined music, talking, and a bit of socially-distanced vibing out.

DJ Bone just released an album of the same name as those events, which he sees as jumping off point to his career even at this relatively advanced stage. We discuss that in detail, as well as those events, and what they mean in the context of what he's done in music since the 90s.

We also discuss his roots as a party-goer in Detroit, the wider state of Techno and dance music generally today, and what needs to change to get back on track after a few years of real turmoil.

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Not A Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

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What connects professional wrestling, the 2025 Superbowl halftime show, finance alternative media, and a ubiquitous major label tech house stooge?

On this episode we find out.

The podcast episode referenced can be found on Spotify here.

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

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What happens when an established house producer wants to write songs? What happens when they want to do things which might not appeal to their existing audience? That is what this week's guest is currently discovering, as he makes the finishing touches to an album that sees him step out of his comfort zone and into unfamiliar surroundings.

Riva Starr is one of the most successful house producers of the past couple of decades, starting out on Dirty Bird and becoming a fixture of the biggest house label of them all, Defected, as well as collabbing with huge names including Diplo, Fatboy Slim, and Todd Terry.

We discuss the processes behind the forthcoming record, running recording sessions in LA, the challenges of working with big names and pro musicians, his backstory in Italy and breakbeat, and a ton of other stuff.

This is a great conversation with one of the good guys. Get involved!

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

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We are getting deep in the independent music industry weeds on this week's episode...

To get started we must redirect you to episodes 91 and 92 of the podcast, which were a pair of deep solo dives into the world of direct-to-consumer music sales, Bandcamp in particular, and specifically the takeover of the platform by Songtradr that had just occurred. 

On those episodes I tried to debunk some of the wilder takes that had been circulating online and drill down into the platform and wider sector to establish what's so special about it and why it provokes such strong reactions. 

On this week's episode we welcome Aly Gillani, the European Label Representative at Bandcamp, to discuss all these issues in detail and get the insider take on the whole thing.

As you might expect, this is absolutely fascinating - if you're interested in the backend workings of the independent music industry that is... 

...and of course you are!

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

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What is Hardgroove anyway? It's a genre of techno isn't it? A general sort of vibe? Maybe even a music trend that has saved techno as a whole from the encroachment of the execrable nonsense that really shouldn't be included in the genre in the first place?

Well actually Hardgroove is really just Ben Sims techno. It's a term that he coined in the mid 90s and the name of a label he's been running since not too long after that. But it's also become a kind of shorthand for a wave in the music whose renewed popularity in recent years has been a something of a lifeline for a corner of the scene that had got itself into a very bad spot indeed. 

So we talk about all that in this episode, as well as what it's like to be one of the biggest techno DJs on the planet, as well as his journey from being fascinated by early hip hop, through Acid House and onto the global techno circuit that he's inhabited for a good few decades now. 

This is a great conversation with a true legend of the scene... get involved!

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

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That is the story of Mr G, a life-long digger who broke through as part of one of the biggest techno acts of the 90s - The Advent - before going solo and gradually carving a niche as one of the best proponents of pure house music on the global circuit.

We are here to talk about his new album though, The Fifth Chakra, which is neither house nor techno but an excursion into soundscapes and textures whose stylistic shifts are a statement of their own.

The discussion is of course wider than just the new music however, and we talk about his early years in the English midlands, childhood trips to Jamaica, his journey as a producer and engineer, and his approach to music generally.

This is a great conversation with a true original. Get involved!

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

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Spoiler alert - it would be pretty sick.

Lester Bangs profile.

Barret Brown columns.

Clive Martin in Vice.

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

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Prior to his involvement in dance music he had an extensive career as a guitarist in bands such as Gong, Decadence (with Kevin Ayers), Khan, and Uriel, formed with the members still at school. His solo career includes records produced by Nick Mason and Todd Rundgren, and his own production career includes records with Simple Minds and The Charlatans.

Additionally, that pretty stellar CV also includes a key contribution to the representation of dance music at Glastonbury with the establishment of the dance tent in 1995.

So clearly this is a good person to have on the show. We discuss the psychedelic rock scene in the 70s, the development of music tech in the 80s, and his eventual realisation that dance music was his musical home by the time of the first System 7 record in 1990.

And of course a lot of other stuff too... including some advice from Jimi Hendrix and the connection between Underground Resistance and George Clinton.

This is a great way to start 2025, get involved!

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Not A Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

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If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Not A Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Follow Scuba: twitter instagram bandcamp spotify apple music beatport

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Originally from all the way back on episode 50, we bring you an extended interview with a very interesting guy, a great producer and DJ from the US - it's Fred P.

We talk about his roots in New York City, the different approaches to owning and distributing your own music these days, and overcoming life's challenges to reach a place where you can express yourself fully.

Have a good holiday and we'll be back on New Year's Eve!

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

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Thank you for your support, it makes this podcast possible.

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The last year of the show has been more squarely focused on musicians than the first two. We've talked about general issues in the industry, but the expertise has mostly been from the artist side. This week we widen the net.

Darren Hemmings is the Managing Director of Motive Unknown, a music-focused strategic marketing agency based in the UK. He's a previous Head Of Digital Marketing at PIAS and various other jobs at majors and independents across the industry. He's also the author of the Network Notes letter on Substack, in which he discusses trends and big stories in the industry.

We discuss the state of the industry today, the health of the streaming platforms and their changing approach to payment models and staffing, and the independent sector with its challenges and potential for a future breakout against the ongoing encroachment of the majors.

We also discuss a&r strategy, why dance music doesn't stream well, and the comparison between music companies and the decline of Nike.

This is a detailed excursion into the music business today... get involved!

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

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What happens when your DJ set bears very little resemblance to your much-loved output as a producer? And what happens when your production output doesn't seem to entirely tally with your rapturously-received turns as a DJ?

This week's guest has both of those problems, which should probably be categorised as first-world in nature. Equally loved for his high impact DJ sets and hauntingly beautiful studio output, DjRUM has over a long period established discrete reputations in both fields while successfully avoiding the beartraps offered by success in either one.

In this conversation we mostly focus on the DJ side, digging into the philosophy of big tempo jumps, turntablism, musical influences, and technology. But of course production can't escape entirely, and we cover Ai, new developments, and whether having loads of terrible music in the world can really be a positive thing.

Strap in, this is a good one! 

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

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We've had a few legends of dance music on the show, but this week we welcome our first member of the Belleville Three.

Along with Juan Atkins and Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson crested the first wave of Detroit Techno and birthed a global movement that persists to this day. Under his own name as well as a plethora of alias and groups including Inner City and E Dancer, Kevin made some of the most important tracks of any era of dance music.

So of course this is an exciting episode. We talk about the forthcoming E Dancer record, working with his son who is now a member of that group as well as Inner City, as well as getting deep into the early era as well as his breakout success with Inner City.

This is a great episode, you're going to love it.

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

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Last week we talked about alternative media - of course BBC Radio is as legacy as it gets, but particularly in dance music there really isn't anything to rival Radio 1. It's notionally British public radio but the global influence is huge and the degree to which new presenters gain an instant profile hasn't really diminished.

A relatively new addition to the roster, Sarah Story and her Future Dance show is now firmly established as one of the most important cornerstones of dance music radio. So of course she's a great person to have on the show.

We dig into her journey to Radio 1, via Capital FM, seasons as a worker in Ibiza, and running the breakfast show on regional radio.

And we also get into the workings of Radio 1 shows, how playlisting works, the role of pluggers, the wider perception of the station and the BBC... and a lot more.

This is a good one!

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

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Back in 2016, Trump's win was a nasty shock. But ultimately as it panned out, the worst of it was confined to a generally queasy sense of chaos, the Trump family's probably-illegal self-enrichment, and the trashing of the public finances in the pursuit of all time highs on the S&P500. That was until the attempted insurrection of January 6 2021, an event which should've disqualified the incumbent from ever being involved in politics again.

This time around it feels totally different - much more so given the hand waving of that event and the apparently serious and organised nature of the incoming administration. Things could get bad. But why did they win?

You've probably had a bellyfull of election coverage already, but the relationship the forces at play here have with some of the broad themes discussed on the show recently mean we have to get into it. Themes like counterculture, the declining importance of music and musicians, the debasement of culture more generally. And the failure of the other side of politics to construct a coherent alternative to the coming chaos.

We'll have a guest on next week but this one is just me... so buckle up!

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

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We discuss the DnB scene in the US (where he was on tour when we recorded this conversation) as well as in the UK, his formative years MCing with DJ Friction, his journey as a producer, and also a few of the topical scene issues we've been discussing in recent weeks too.

I'm still on holiday but will be back next week!

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

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Man Power has been making waves in the UK scene since our last conversation on episode 52, with his parties at the Are You Affiliated venue and willingness to speak his mind on various topics affecting the grassroots club scene.

Obviously this makes him a great candidate for an NDP episode and we here we have it.

I'm currently on holiday but will be back in a couple of weeks, in case anything in this episode isn't entirely up to the minute!

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

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On this week's episode we bring you a recording of the discussion, plus some of my thoughts on a topic close to my heard... relating to this little nugget which developed over the past week. 

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

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Join us for the first ever Not A Diving Club at fabric in London on Thursday 24 Oct, an evening of chat and unreleased bangers from 8pm til late.

DJs on the night will be

Minder b2b Machine Woman

Oneman b2b Lu.Re

T.Williams b2b Tasha

Scuba b2b Braille

This will be a FREE ENTRY EVENT but you must be on the advance signup list to get in -> sign up here.

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On the show this week we preview the Not A Diving Club event at fabric in London, our first ever live event, getting into the thinking behind the format, the lineup, and other stuff too.

And we also welcome artist manager and former DGTL label manager Tim Hoeben to the show. We sat down last week at ADE to discuss various things from the festival circuit eating small clubs all the way through to the ridiculous rider demands of CERTAIN artists.

Tim's a great guy and this was a fun and informative conversation!

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Not A Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Follow Scuba: twitter instagram bandcamp spotify apple music beatport

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