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		<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p><strong><em><a href="http://www.zigzagpod.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag</a></em></strong><strong>, the business show about being human, returns as a member of the <em><a href="https://audiocollective.ted.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">TED Audio Collective</a></em>.</strong> <br>Join this zig-zagging quest with <a href="http://www.twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Manoush Zomorodi</a> (Host of <em><a href="https://www.npr.org/programs/ted-radio-hour/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">NPR’s TED Radio Hour</a></em>; <em>Fast Company</em>’s 100 Most Creative People in Business) to discover new ways we can align our professional ambitions with our personal values.</p><p>Find @ZigZagPod on <a href="http://www.twitter.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter </a>and <a href="http://www.instagram.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a>. Get recommended readings to go with each episode and more with the <a href="https://www.stableg.com/newsletter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">newsletter</a>. Share your zig or zag with Manoush by emailing a voice memo to <a href="mailto:ZigZag@StableG.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag@StableG.com</a></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S6 EP6 STEP 6: THE TIMELINE</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2021 09:55:56 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Stacey Abrams joins us for the final step of The ZigZag Project.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>On the final episode of <em>The ZigZag Project,</em> activist Stacey Abrams explains her short-term strategies for sticking to her long-term goals and Manoush shares data from surveying thousands of listeners about making a big career change. The project wraps up with one last assignment and Manoush’s favorite messages from listeners. It’s a tear jerker.</p><p><strong><em>The ZigZag Project</em></strong> <strong>is six steps (and episodes) to help you map out a path that aligns your personal values with your professional ambitions. Think of it as a RESET for your career or business.</strong></p><p><strong>Find the assignments, survey, newsletter and more at <a href="http://zigzagpod.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZagPod.com</a></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>On the final episode of <em>The ZigZag Project,</em> activist Stacey Abrams explains her short-term strategies for sticking to her long-term goals and Manoush shares data from surveying thousands of listeners about making a big career change. The project wraps up with one last assignment and Manoush’s favorite messages from listeners. It’s a tear jerker.</p><p><strong><em>The ZigZag Project</em></strong> <strong>is six steps (and episodes) to help you map out a path that aligns your personal values with your professional ambitions. Think of it as a RESET for your career or business.</strong></p><p><strong>Find the assignments, survey, newsletter and more at <a href="http://zigzagpod.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZagPod.com</a></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2021 04:00:05 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>How to deal with the stress that comes with big change.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Today is Step 5 of <em><a href="http://www.zigzagpod.com/zigzagproject" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The ZigZag Project</a></em>, our six-step process to get you from <em>wanting</em> to make a big change in your life and work...to <em>actually</em> making a change, in a responsible and mindful way.<br><br>Now, as we move from ideation into action, we're getting coaching from Columbia Business School professor, psychologist, and stress researcher <a href="https://www.modupeakinola.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Modupe Akinola</a>. Modupe explains why rethinking the scary feelings that come with all big life transitions is <em>crucial</em> as you decide, with the help of this episode’s assignment, which of your ideas--your paths--to actively pursue. <br><br><strong><em>The ZigZag Project</em></strong> <strong>is six steps (and episodes) to help you map out a path that aligns your personal values with your professional ambitions. Think of it as a RESET for your career or business.</strong></p><p><strong>Find the assignments, survey, newsletter and more at <a href="http://zigzagpod.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZagPod.com</a></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Today is Step 5 of <em><a href="http://www.zigzagpod.com/zigzagproject" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The ZigZag Project</a></em>, our six-step process to get you from <em>wanting</em> to make a big change in your life and work...to <em>actually</em> making a change, in a responsible and mindful way.<br><br>Now, as we move from ideation into action, we're getting coaching from Columbia Business School professor, psychologist, and stress researcher <a href="https://www.modupeakinola.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Modupe Akinola</a>. Modupe explains why rethinking the scary feelings that come with all big life transitions is <em>crucial</em> as you decide, with the help of this episode’s assignment, which of your ideas--your paths--to actively pursue. <br><br><strong><em>The ZigZag Project</em></strong> <strong>is six steps (and episodes) to help you map out a path that aligns your personal values with your professional ambitions. Think of it as a RESET for your career or business.</strong></p><p><strong>Find the assignments, survey, newsletter and more at <a href="http://zigzagpod.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZagPod.com</a></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S6 EP4 STEP 4: THE MATCH</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2021 04:05:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Time to start asking the hard questions.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>On this episode of <em>The ZigZag Project</em>, we move into a more practical phase and start asking hard questions like: What might you need to sacrifice, in order to align your values with your work? Obama advisor <a href="https://twitter.com/ValerieJarrett?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Valerie Jarrett</a> shares a story about what she gave up as a young aide, working for the city of Chicago. Manoush gives her own example and asks listeners to try a strange (but proven) methodology to figure out what changes are worth pursuing.</p><p><strong><em>The ZigZag Project</em></strong> <strong>is six steps (and episodes) to help you map out a path that aligns your personal values with your professional ambitions. Think of it as a RESET for your career or business.</strong></p><p><strong>Find the assignments, survey, newsletter and more at <a href="http://zigzagpod.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZagPod.com</a></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>On this episode of <em>The ZigZag Project</em>, we move into a more practical phase and start asking hard questions like: What might you need to sacrifice, in order to align your values with your work? Obama advisor <a href="https://twitter.com/ValerieJarrett?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Valerie Jarrett</a> shares a story about what she gave up as a young aide, working for the city of Chicago. Manoush gives her own example and asks listeners to try a strange (but proven) methodology to figure out what changes are worth pursuing.</p><p><strong><em>The ZigZag Project</em></strong> <strong>is six steps (and episodes) to help you map out a path that aligns your personal values with your professional ambitions. Think of it as a RESET for your career or business.</strong></p><p><strong>Find the assignments, survey, newsletter and more at <a href="http://zigzagpod.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZagPod.com</a></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S6 EP3 STEP 3: THE WEIRD IDEAS</title>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[We jumpstart your creative thinking about what you'll do next with step three of The ZigZag Project.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>The third step of <em><a href="http://www.zigzagpod.com/zigzagproject" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The ZigZag Project</a></em> requires getting <em>weird.</em> Because we're gonna need to dig deep to find new ways to roll back climate change, bring equity to society, <em>and</em> pay our bills. If, after a year of lockdowns and stress, you feel drained at the thought, meet <a href="http://robwalker.net/noticing/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rob Walker</a>, author of <em>The Art of Noticing</em>. Rob has some unusual ways to inspire you to get creative and figure out your next job, business model, or project. Manoush turns Rob’s insight into this episode’s assignment: <em>The Board of All Ideas, No Matter How Weird</em>.</p><p><strong><em>The ZigZag Project</em></strong> <strong>is six steps (and episodes) to help you map out a path that aligns your personal values with your professional ambitions. Think of it as a RESET for your career or business.</strong></p><p><strong>Find the assignments, survey, newsletter and more at <a href="http://zigzagpod.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZagPod.com</a></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S6 EP2 STEP 2: THE VISION</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2021 04:00:05 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Conflict resolution specialist <a href="https://twitter.com/priyaparker?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Priya Parker</a> joins <a href="http://www.twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Manoush</a> to talk about <em>visioning</em>: Taking time out of our daily lives to clarify our professional and personal purpose. With 60% of the project’s beta testers reporting that work is an important part of their identity (and 25% saying they <em>define</em> themselves by the work they do), picturing the future is a particularly crucial step. Manoush shares instructions for listeners to conduct their own visioning lab, similar to the session she did with Priya years ago, but with a ZigZag twist.</p><p><strong><em>The ZigZag Project</em></strong> <strong>is six steps (and episodes) to help you map out a path that aligns your personal values with your professional ambitions. Think of it as a RESET for your career or business.</strong></p><p><strong>Find the assignments, survey, newsletter and more at <a href="http://zigzagpod.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZagPod.com</a></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Conflict resolution specialist <a href="https://twitter.com/priyaparker?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Priya Parker</a> joins <a href="http://www.twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Manoush</a> to talk about <em>visioning</em>: Taking time out of our daily lives to clarify our professional and personal purpose. With 60% of the project’s beta testers reporting that work is an important part of their identity (and 25% saying they <em>define</em> themselves by the work they do), picturing the future is a particularly crucial step. Manoush shares instructions for listeners to conduct their own visioning lab, similar to the session she did with Priya years ago, but with a ZigZag twist.</p><p><strong><em>The ZigZag Project</em></strong> <strong>is six steps (and episodes) to help you map out a path that aligns your personal values with your professional ambitions. Think of it as a RESET for your career or business.</strong></p><p><strong>Find the assignments, survey, newsletter and more at <a href="http://zigzagpod.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZagPod.com</a></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S6 EP1 STEP 1: THE PULSE</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2021 04:00:05 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>We’re doing something different this season…</p><p><strong><em>The ZigZag Project</em></strong> <strong>is six steps (and episodes) to help you map out a path that aligns your personal values with your professional ambitions. Think of it as a RESET for your career or business.</strong></p><p>In this first episode, host <a href="http://twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Manoush Zomorodi </a>shares stories and data from the 150 listeners who volunteered to test the project. We also learn why change requires spending time in “the neutral zone,” from MIT Humanist Chaplain <a href="https://studentlife.mit.edu/orsel/who-we-are/greg-m-epstein" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Greg Epstein</a>, and get our first assignment.</p><p><strong>Find the assignments, survey, newsletter and more at <a href="http://zigzagpod.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZagPod.com</a>.</strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S5 EP6: The Case of the Lost American Dream</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2020 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Why NPR's Aarti Shahani thrived in the U.S...while her father barely survived.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><br>You may have heard <a href="https://twitter.com/aarti411?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Aarti Shahani</a>’s voice on the radio when she was <a href="https://www.npr.org/people/348730771/aarti-shahani" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">NPR’s Silicon Valley reporter</a>. The techies she interviewed often assumed she came from a family of engineers or scientists. Nothing could be further from the truth, Aarti says.</p><p>Her parents brought her to the U.S. when she was a child. They overstayed their tourist visas, moved the family into a roach-infested apartment, and subsisted on welfare while looking for work. Eventually, they all got <a href="https://www.uscis.gov/green-card" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">green cards</a> and Aarti thrived as a American teenager…until the day her father was arrested at his electronics store in Manhattan for a crime he didn’t know he’d committed.<br><br>Now Aarti is reporting her own story: why her parents migrated, what it took for the family to survive in the U.S. economy, and how their saga reflects the state of the “American Dream” right now.<br><br>Plus, listeners share what’s happened to their careers, businesses, and mental health since the pandemic began.</p><p><strong>This is the final episode of <a href="http://www.zigzagpod.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Season 5</a> which explains six systemic problems and profiles six amazing people working to fix them.</strong></p><p><strong><em>You can get updates and stay in touch with Manoush on Twitter <a href="http://www.twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@ManoushZ</a></em></strong> <strong><em>or @ZigZagPod on <a href="http://www.twitter.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a> and <a href="http://www.instagram.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a>. Or just <a href="https://manoushz.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sign up for the newsletter</a>.</em></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p><br>You may have heard <a href="https://twitter.com/aarti411?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Aarti Shahani</a>’s voice on the radio when she was <a href="https://www.npr.org/people/348730771/aarti-shahani" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">NPR’s Silicon Valley reporter</a>. The techies she interviewed often assumed she came from a family of engineers or scientists. Nothing could be further from the truth, Aarti says.</p><p>Her parents brought her to the U.S. when she was a child. They overstayed their tourist visas, moved the family into a roach-infested apartment, and subsisted on welfare while looking for work. Eventually, they all got <a href="https://www.uscis.gov/green-card" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">green cards</a> and Aarti thrived as a American teenager…until the day her father was arrested at his electronics store in Manhattan for a crime he didn’t know he’d committed.<br><br>Now Aarti is reporting her own story: why her parents migrated, what it took for the family to survive in the U.S. economy, and how their saga reflects the state of the “American Dream” right now.<br><br>Plus, listeners share what’s happened to their careers, businesses, and mental health since the pandemic began.</p><p><strong>This is the final episode of <a href="http://www.zigzagpod.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Season 5</a> which explains six systemic problems and profiles six amazing people working to fix them.</strong></p><p><strong><em>You can get updates and stay in touch with Manoush on Twitter <a href="http://www.twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@ManoushZ</a></em></strong> <strong><em>or @ZigZagPod on <a href="http://www.twitter.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a> and <a href="http://www.instagram.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a>. Or just <a href="https://manoushz.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sign up for the newsletter</a>.</em></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S5 EP5: Changing Our Relationship to STUFF</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Trash junkie Adam Minter explains why we keep buying crap, where it goes when we get rid of it, and how the economy would survive if we stopped.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>We recycle. But does it make a difference? <br>We donate our old t-shirts. But does anyone want them? <br>We try to shop less. But isn't that bad for the economy?</p><p>On this episode, author <a href="http://shanghaiscrap.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Adam Minter</a> explains the connections between our personal habits and a massive global network of recycling and secondhand markets...and he helps us consider: what would it take to build an economy that didn't depend on manufacturing yet more STUFF? Plus, Adam's own zig-zagging story: from growing up in a junkyard to carving out a career as an expert on the global recycling and reuse economies.</p><p><strong>This is the fifth episode of <a href="http://www.zigzagpod.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Season 5</a> which explains six systemic problems and profiles six amazing people working to fix them.</strong></p><p><strong><em>Tell Manoush what’s going on with your career or company during these strange times @ZigZagPod on <a href="http://www.twitter.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a> and <a href="http://www.instagram.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a> or send a voice memo to <a href="mailto:ZigZag@StableG.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag@StableG.com</a>. You can also just say hi <a href="http://www.twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@ManoushZ</a></em></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>We recycle. But does it make a difference? <br>We donate our old t-shirts. But does anyone want them? <br>We try to shop less. But isn't that bad for the economy?</p><p>On this episode, author <a href="http://shanghaiscrap.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Adam Minter</a> explains the connections between our personal habits and a massive global network of recycling and secondhand markets...and he helps us consider: what would it take to build an economy that didn't depend on manufacturing yet more STUFF? Plus, Adam's own zig-zagging story: from growing up in a junkyard to carving out a career as an expert on the global recycling and reuse economies.</p><p><strong>This is the fifth episode of <a href="http://www.zigzagpod.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Season 5</a> which explains six systemic problems and profiles six amazing people working to fix them.</strong></p><p><strong><em>Tell Manoush what’s going on with your career or company during these strange times @ZigZagPod on <a href="http://www.twitter.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a> and <a href="http://www.instagram.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a> or send a voice memo to <a href="mailto:ZigZag@StableG.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag@StableG.com</a>. You can also just say hi <a href="http://www.twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@ManoushZ</a></em></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S5 EP4: Carrie Goldberg is the Troll Slayer</title>
			<itunes:title>S5 EP4: Carrie Goldberg is the Troll Slayer</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2020 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[How a stalker inspired this attorney to start a pioneering law firm that's changing how people view female sexuality.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/about/carrie-goldberg/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Carrie Goldberg</a>‘s legal career changed course the year her ex-boyfriend relentlessly cyber-harassed her. At the time, the <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/nyregion/revenge-porn-law.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">First Amendment</a> protected his right to post nude photos of her and file (false) police reports against her. Frustrated and angry, Carrie quit her stable nonprofit job and started <a href="https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/about/carrie-goldberg/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a law firm</a> to help people dealing with abusers and stalkers. But, as Carrie explains, she quickly realized that finding justice for these victims required more than taking on their individual cases. She needed a three-pronged approach: come up with a business plan, challenge <a href="https://www.eff.org/issues/cda230#:%7E:text=47%20U.S.C.,of%20the%20Communication%20Decency%20Act&amp;text=Section%20230%20says%20that%20%22No,%C2%A7%20230" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the law that protects tech platforms</a>, and change a culture that weaponizes women’s sexuality.</p><p><strong>This is the fourth episode of <a href="http://www.zigzagpod.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Season 5</a> which explains six systemic problems and profiles six amazing people working to fix them.</strong></p><p><strong><em>Tell Manoush what’s going on with your career or company during these strange times @ZigZagPod on <a href="http://www.twitter.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a> and <a href="http://www.instagram.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a> or send a voice memo to <a href="mailto:ZigZag@StableG.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag@StableG.com</a>. You can also just say hi <a href="http://www.twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@ManoushZ</a>.</em></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/about/carrie-goldberg/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Carrie Goldberg</a>‘s legal career changed course the year her ex-boyfriend relentlessly cyber-harassed her. At the time, the <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/nyregion/revenge-porn-law.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">First Amendment</a> protected his right to post nude photos of her and file (false) police reports against her. Frustrated and angry, Carrie quit her stable nonprofit job and started <a href="https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/about/carrie-goldberg/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a law firm</a> to help people dealing with abusers and stalkers. But, as Carrie explains, she quickly realized that finding justice for these victims required more than taking on their individual cases. She needed a three-pronged approach: come up with a business plan, challenge <a href="https://www.eff.org/issues/cda230#:%7E:text=47%20U.S.C.,of%20the%20Communication%20Decency%20Act&amp;text=Section%20230%20says%20that%20%22No,%C2%A7%20230" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the law that protects tech platforms</a>, and change a culture that weaponizes women’s sexuality.</p><p><strong>This is the fourth episode of <a href="http://www.zigzagpod.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Season 5</a> which explains six systemic problems and profiles six amazing people working to fix them.</strong></p><p><strong><em>Tell Manoush what’s going on with your career or company during these strange times @ZigZagPod on <a href="http://www.twitter.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a> and <a href="http://www.instagram.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a> or send a voice memo to <a href="mailto:ZigZag@StableG.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag@StableG.com</a>. You can also just say hi <a href="http://www.twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@ManoushZ</a>.</em></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S5 EP3: Can Big Tech Be Healed?</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2020 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>From his posts at <a href="https://chaplains.harvard.edu/people/greg-epstein" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Harvard</a> and <a href="https://studentlife.mit.edu/rl/who-we-are/greg-m-epstein" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">M.I.T.</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/gregmepstein?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Greg Epstein</a> observed that the tech industry– with its hierarchies and sacred texts–looked a lot like a religion…and his students worshipped at the alter of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Elon Musk</a>. The chaplain wondered: how could he counsel techies to build more humane products? On this episode, Greg explains why he decided to take an unusual side gig as <a href="https://techcrunch.com/author/greg-epstein/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">TechCrunch’s ethicist-in-residence</a> and bring his <a href="https://americanhumanist.org/what-is-humanism/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Humanist </a>perspective to Silicon Valley. He also shares how he became an atheist chaplain, why he thinks so many college students are obsessed with exceptionalism, and his own personal epiphany about what it means to be human.</p><p><strong>This is the third episode of <a href="http://www.zigzagpod.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Season 5</a> which explains six systemic problems and profiles six amazing people working to fix them.</strong></p><p><strong><em>Tell Manoush what’s going on with your career or company during these strange times @ZigZagPod on <a href="http://www.twitter.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a> and <a href="http://www.instagram.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a> or send a voice memo to <a href="mailto:ZigZag@StableG.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag@StableG.com</a>. You can also just say hi <a href="http://www.twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@ManoushZ</a>.</em></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>From his posts at <a href="https://chaplains.harvard.edu/people/greg-epstein" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Harvard</a> and <a href="https://studentlife.mit.edu/rl/who-we-are/greg-m-epstein" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">M.I.T.</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/gregmepstein?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Greg Epstein</a> observed that the tech industry– with its hierarchies and sacred texts–looked a lot like a religion…and his students worshipped at the alter of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Elon Musk</a>. The chaplain wondered: how could he counsel techies to build more humane products? On this episode, Greg explains why he decided to take an unusual side gig as <a href="https://techcrunch.com/author/greg-epstein/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">TechCrunch’s ethicist-in-residence</a> and bring his <a href="https://americanhumanist.org/what-is-humanism/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Humanist </a>perspective to Silicon Valley. He also shares how he became an atheist chaplain, why he thinks so many college students are obsessed with exceptionalism, and his own personal epiphany about what it means to be human.</p><p><strong>This is the third episode of <a href="http://www.zigzagpod.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Season 5</a> which explains six systemic problems and profiles six amazing people working to fix them.</strong></p><p><strong><em>Tell Manoush what’s going on with your career or company during these strange times @ZigZagPod on <a href="http://www.twitter.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a> and <a href="http://www.instagram.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a> or send a voice memo to <a href="mailto:ZigZag@StableG.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag@StableG.com</a>. You can also just say hi <a href="http://www.twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@ManoushZ</a>.</em></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S5 EP2: Why Arlan Hamilton Still Believes Capitalism is the Great Equalizer</title>
			<itunes:title>S5 EP2: Why Arlan Hamilton Still Believes Capitalism is the Great Equalizer</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2020 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>And how the Black, gay, and female venture capitalist deals with white male founders who call her racist.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>In 2018, <a href="https://backstagecapital.com/crew/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Backstage Capital's Arlan Hamilton</a> was on the cover of <a href="https://www.fastcompany.com/90227793/backstage-capitals-arlan-hamilton-brings-diversity-to-venture-capital" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Fast Company</a> magazine. The headline was irresistible: homeless, gay, Black woman becomes hot-shot Silicon Valley investor. But the reality is that Black female founders still get <a href="https://peopleofcolorintech.com/articles/where-black-female-founders-can-find-funding-resources-and-more/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">token amounts of funding</a>, despite being the <a href="https://www.fastcompany.com/90408156/women-of-color-are-starting-businesses-faster-than-anyone" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fastest growing demographic</a> in the startup world. On this episode, Arlan reflects on whether she's improved the plight of “underestimated and underrepresented” founders and how she explains privilege to white, male investors who don't understand the point of her investment fund. Plus, Manoush's daughter weighs in on entrepreneurship.</p><p><strong>This is the second episode of <a href="http://www.zigzagpod.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Season 5</a> which explains six systemic problems and profiles six amazing people working to fix them.</strong></p><p><strong><em>Tell Manoush what’s going on with your career or company during these strange times @ZigZagPod on <a href="http://www.twitter.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a> and <a href="http://www.instagram.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a> or send a voice memo to <a href="mailto:ZigZag@StableG.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag@StableG.com</a>. You can also just say hi <a href="http://www.twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@ManoushZ</a>.</em></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>In 2018, <a href="https://backstagecapital.com/crew/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Backstage Capital's Arlan Hamilton</a> was on the cover of <a href="https://www.fastcompany.com/90227793/backstage-capitals-arlan-hamilton-brings-diversity-to-venture-capital" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Fast Company</a> magazine. The headline was irresistible: homeless, gay, Black woman becomes hot-shot Silicon Valley investor. But the reality is that Black female founders still get <a href="https://peopleofcolorintech.com/articles/where-black-female-founders-can-find-funding-resources-and-more/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">token amounts of funding</a>, despite being the <a href="https://www.fastcompany.com/90408156/women-of-color-are-starting-businesses-faster-than-anyone" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fastest growing demographic</a> in the startup world. On this episode, Arlan reflects on whether she's improved the plight of “underestimated and underrepresented” founders and how she explains privilege to white, male investors who don't understand the point of her investment fund. Plus, Manoush's daughter weighs in on entrepreneurship.</p><p><strong>This is the second episode of <a href="http://www.zigzagpod.com/about" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Season 5</a> which explains six systemic problems and profiles six amazing people working to fix them.</strong></p><p><strong><em>Tell Manoush what’s going on with your career or company during these strange times @ZigZagPod on <a href="http://www.twitter.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a> and <a href="http://www.instagram.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a> or send a voice memo to <a href="mailto:ZigZag@StableG.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag@StableG.com</a>. You can also just say hi <a href="http://www.twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@ManoushZ</a>.</em></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA[S5 EP1: Eric Ries' Radical Stock Market Experiment]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA[S5 EP1: Eric Ries' Radical Stock Market Experiment]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2020 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>He wrote Silicon Valley’s bible. Now he wants to launch a stock market for social justice...and regulators approve.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>When <a href="https://twitter.com/ericries" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Eric Ries</a> wrote <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Lean-Startup-Entrepreneurs-Continuous-Innovation/dp/0307887898" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Lean StartUp</a> he had no idea his book would inspire a new generation of entrepreneurs to ‘pivot’ and ‘iterate.’ Now Eric is 'disrupting' how we do business again. His <a href="https://ltse.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Long Term Stock Exchange</a> (LTSE) requires companies to change their measurements of success. Rather than live and die by quarterly earnings reports that require<a href="https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/6/10/18658069/eric-ries-long-term-stock-exchange-code-conference" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> inhumane management tactics</a>, companies on the LTSE have to do right by their employees, customers, and communities. Is that really so radical?</p><p><strong>This is the first episode of Season 5 which explains six systemic problems and profiles six amazing people working to fix them.</strong> <br><br><strong><em>Tell Manoush what’s going on with your career or company during these strange times @ZigZagPod on <a href="http://www.twitter.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a> and <a href="http://www.instagram.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a> or send a voice memo to <a href="mailto:ZigZag@StableG.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag@StableG.com</a>. You can also just say hi <a href="http://www.twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@ManoushZ</a>.</em></strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>The zigs and zags just keep coming. Welcome to Season 5.</title>
			<itunes:title>The zigs and zags just keep coming. Welcome to Season 5.</itunes:title>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Listen to what Manoush has cooked up for her first solo season of the business podcast about being human.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<strong><a href="http://www.zigzagpod.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag</a>, the business podcast about being human, returns as a member of the TED family of podcasts.</strong> <br><br>Join this zig-zagging quest with <a href="http://www.twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Manoush Zomorodi</a> (Host of NPR’s TED Radio Hour; Fast Company’s 100 Most Creative People in Business) to discover new ways we can align our ambitions with systemic change that’s good for our fellow human beings. <br><br>On Season 5, Manoush profiles six unusual dynamos reinventing business, their industries, and even capitalism in the name of humanity. It will change the way you see your work and your <em>self</em>. <br><br>Let Manoush know what’s going on with <em>your</em> career or company @ZigZagPod on <a href="http://www.twitter.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Twitter</a> and <a href="http://www.instagram.com/zigzagpod" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Instagram</a> or send a voice memo to <a href="mailto:ZigZag@StableG.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag@StableG.com</a>. You can also just say hi @ManoushZ.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>End of A Partnership</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2020 05:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Financial and parenting pressures in the age of COVID-19 force Manoush and Jen to make a tough decision.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<title>S4 EP22: Mailchimp’s CEO On Building a Multi-Billion Dollar Business Without Being an A$$hole</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2019 05:15:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Ben Chestnut explains why his company never took VC money and how small businesses can survive Amazon.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The newsletter company <a href="https://mailchimp.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mailchimp </a>made an impressive $700 million dollars in revenue in 2019 and, after 20 years, it’s still owned and operated by co-founders, <a href="https://twitter.com/benchestnut?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ben Chestnut </a>and <a href="https://twitter.com/dkurzius?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Dan Kurzius</a>. On this episode, Ben shares his tactics for staying focused and calm through market crashes, tech disruptions, and now playing role model for CEOs who think success requires treating employees poorly. Manoush and Jen aren’t so sure about Ben’s advice regarding “scaling.” But as they play voice memos from listeners going through professional zigs zigs, they realize a serious truth about <a href="http://stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">their own small business</a>.</p><p><strong>**Who You’ll Hear:</strong> **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @benchestnut (CEO and cofounder of Mailchimp)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">GooglePodcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>The newsletter company <a href="https://mailchimp.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mailchimp </a>made an impressive $700 million dollars in revenue in 2019 and, after 20 years, it’s still owned and operated by co-founders, <a href="https://twitter.com/benchestnut?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ben Chestnut </a>and <a href="https://twitter.com/dkurzius?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Dan Kurzius</a>. On this episode, Ben shares his tactics for staying focused and calm through market crashes, tech disruptions, and now playing role model for CEOs who think success requires treating employees poorly. Manoush and Jen aren’t so sure about Ben’s advice regarding “scaling.” But as they play voice memos from listeners going through professional zigs zigs, they realize a serious truth about <a href="http://stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">their own small business</a>.</p><p><strong>**Who You’ll Hear:</strong> **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @benchestnut (CEO and cofounder of Mailchimp)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">GooglePodcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S4 EP21: Being Ethnically Ambiguous At Work</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Dec 2019 05:15:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Code Switch's Shereen Marisol Meraji and Manoush have a frank conversation about where they fit into today’s movement for diversity and inclusion.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>As co-host of NPR’s <a href="https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Code Switch</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/RadioMirage?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Shereen Marisol Meraji</a> combines groundbreaking reporting on race and culture with her own personal experience as a half-Puerto Rican, half-Persian American. On this episode, she and Manoush discuss why the push for inclusion makes some people uncomfortable and how the diversity discussion can get even more delicate when people don’t clearly identify as white or black—like Manoush, who only recently realized her co-workers considered her a woman of color.</p><p><strong>**Who You’ll Hear:</strong> **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @RadioMirage (Shereen Marisol Meraji, cohost of NPR’s Code Switch Podcast).</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">GooglePodcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>As co-host of NPR’s <a href="https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Code Switch</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/RadioMirage?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Shereen Marisol Meraji</a> combines groundbreaking reporting on race and culture with her own personal experience as a half-Puerto Rican, half-Persian American. On this episode, she and Manoush discuss why the push for inclusion makes some people uncomfortable and how the diversity discussion can get even more delicate when people don’t clearly identify as white or black—like Manoush, who only recently realized her co-workers considered her a woman of color.</p><p><strong>**Who You’ll Hear:</strong> **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @RadioMirage (Shereen Marisol Meraji, cohost of NPR’s Code Switch Podcast).</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">GooglePodcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S4 EP20: How Valerie Jarrett Turned Her Misery Into Motivation</title>
			<itunes:title>S4 EP20: How Valerie Jarrett Turned Her Misery Into Motivation</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Nov 2019 05:15:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[President Obama's longest serving advisor blossomed when she stopped listening to authority figures...and started loving the 'swerves' in life.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>20</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://twitter.com/ValerieJarrett?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Valerie Jarrett</a>‘s fascinating family defied racism to become some of the most influential African-Americans you’ve likely never heard of, including one of Louisiana’s first black legislators and MIT’s first black student. But Jarrett also shares how, despite a law degree and supportive parents, she struggled to find her own career path. Hear what jolted Jarrett out of a professional stupor to find work that mattered to her. Plus, the revolutionary ways she dealt with staffing and “women’s issues” in the White House, including making paternity leave mandatory and letting the President know when menopause was getting her down. Whatever your politics, this is an extremely inspiring listen.</p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @ValerieJarrett (Valerie Jarrett, former senior advisor to President Barack Obama and author of* Finding My Voice*)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://twitter.com/ValerieJarrett?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Valerie Jarrett</a>‘s fascinating family defied racism to become some of the most influential African-Americans you’ve likely never heard of, including one of Louisiana’s first black legislators and MIT’s first black student. But Jarrett also shares how, despite a law degree and supportive parents, she struggled to find her own career path. Hear what jolted Jarrett out of a professional stupor to find work that mattered to her. Plus, the revolutionary ways she dealt with staffing and “women’s issues” in the White House, including making paternity leave mandatory and letting the President know when menopause was getting her down. Whatever your politics, this is an extremely inspiring listen.</p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @ValerieJarrett (Valerie Jarrett, former senior advisor to President Barack Obama and author of* Finding My Voice*)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S4 EP19: The Guy Who Quit Planes for Good</title>
			<itunes:title>S4 EP19: The Guy Who Quit Planes for Good</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2019 05:15:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Scientist Peter Kalmus quit planes for the benefit of the planet. Here's how that choice affected his career and family vacations.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>For millions of us, air travel comes with the job. NASA physicist <a href="https://peterkalmus.net/about/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Peter Kalmus</a> was no different; he frequently flew to prestigious conferences around the globe to present his research. But then, on a routine flight in 2012, Kalmus had a personal reckoning. Disgusted at how his travel contributed to global warming, he decided to quit airplanes, switch careers, and start <a href="https://noflyclimatesci.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">an online community</a> for people who’ve changed their flying habits. On this episode, Kalmus shares how he handles invitations to speak at far-flung conferences, why he thinks people deny climate change, and what we <em>can</em> do to slow global warming, whether we give up flying or not.</p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @ClimateHuman (Peter Kalmus, <a href="https://noflyclimatesci.org/biographies/peter-kalmus" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Climate Activist</a>)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">GooglePodcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>For millions of us, air travel comes with the job. NASA physicist <a href="https://peterkalmus.net/about/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Peter Kalmus</a> was no different; he frequently flew to prestigious conferences around the globe to present his research. But then, on a routine flight in 2012, Kalmus had a personal reckoning. Disgusted at how his travel contributed to global warming, he decided to quit airplanes, switch careers, and start <a href="https://noflyclimatesci.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">an online community</a> for people who’ve changed their flying habits. On this episode, Kalmus shares how he handles invitations to speak at far-flung conferences, why he thinks people deny climate change, and what we <em>can</em> do to slow global warming, whether we give up flying or not.</p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @ClimateHuman (Peter Kalmus, <a href="https://noflyclimatesci.org/biographies/peter-kalmus" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Climate Activist</a>)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">GooglePodcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA[S4 EP18: Don't Tie a Pink Ribbon for Kate Pickert]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA[S4 EP18: Don't Tie a Pink Ribbon for Kate Pickert]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 05:15:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[A journalism professor's investigation into her own diagnosis will change what you think you know about living and working with breast cancer.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>18</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>After an onerous cancer diagnosis, <a href="https://twitter.com/KatePickert" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kate Pickert</a> nearly skipped an interview for a job she desperately wanted. Her husband encouraged her to go, saying, "You never know. Maybe you won't die!" Pickert got the job...and she lived. Now she's a journalism professor and author of <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316470325/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=slatmaga-20&amp;creative=9325&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;creativeASIN=0316470325&amp;linkId=761f1fbdae91b9d828add6733c29b665" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Radical: The Science, Culture and History of Breast Cancer in America</a></em>. On this episode, she tells Jen how investigating her diagnosis like a reporter helped her realize how little people know about the latest cancer treatment options...and that working (and keeping your hair) through chemotherapy is even possible.</p><p><strong>**Who You’ll Hear:</strong> **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @KatePickert (Kate Pickert, author of Radical: The Science, Culture and History of Breast Cancer in America)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">GooglePodcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>After an onerous cancer diagnosis, <a href="https://twitter.com/KatePickert" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kate Pickert</a> nearly skipped an interview for a job she desperately wanted. Her husband encouraged her to go, saying, "You never know. Maybe you won't die!" Pickert got the job...and she lived. Now she's a journalism professor and author of <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316470325/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=slatmaga-20&amp;creative=9325&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;creativeASIN=0316470325&amp;linkId=761f1fbdae91b9d828add6733c29b665" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Radical: The Science, Culture and History of Breast Cancer in America</a></em>. On this episode, she tells Jen how investigating her diagnosis like a reporter helped her realize how little people know about the latest cancer treatment options...and that working (and keeping your hair) through chemotherapy is even possible.</p><p><strong>**Who You’ll Hear:</strong> **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @KatePickert (Kate Pickert, author of Radical: The Science, Culture and History of Breast Cancer in America)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">GooglePodcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S4 EP17: Helping Your Relationship Survive Your Job</title>
			<itunes:title>S4 EP17: Helping Your Relationship Survive Your Job</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 31 Oct 2019 04:15:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>ResearcherJennifer Petriglieri says dual-career couples can thrive in love and work. But they must pass through three difficult phases.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Double-career couples are <a href="https://hbr.org/2019/07/finding-balance-as-a-dual-career-couple" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the norm</a> these days. But when organizational behaviorist <a href="https://www.jpetriglieri.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jennifer Petriglieri</a> looked for studies on how these couples manage their professional and personal responsibilities, she found little research. So Petriglieri did her own five-year study, talking to dozens of couples, and compiling what she learned into the book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Couples-That-Work-Dual-Career-Fulfillment/dp/163369724X/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Couples That Work</a>. On this episode, Petriglieri walks us through the three phases she discovered a couple must navigate to keep their relationship and career intact. Later, ZigZag’s own Jen Poyant shares how Petriglieri’s analysis helps her better understand why her own marriage failed.</p><p><strong>**Who You’ll Hear:</strong> **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), <a href="https://www.jpetriglieri.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jennifer Petriglieri</a>, author of Couples That Work.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Double-career couples are <a href="https://hbr.org/2019/07/finding-balance-as-a-dual-career-couple" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the norm</a> these days. But when organizational behaviorist <a href="https://www.jpetriglieri.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jennifer Petriglieri</a> looked for studies on how these couples manage their professional and personal responsibilities, she found little research. So Petriglieri did her own five-year study, talking to dozens of couples, and compiling what she learned into the book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Couples-That-Work-Dual-Career-Fulfillment/dp/163369724X/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Couples That Work</a>. On this episode, Petriglieri walks us through the three phases she discovered a couple must navigate to keep their relationship and career intact. Later, ZigZag’s own Jen Poyant shares how Petriglieri’s analysis helps her better understand why her own marriage failed.</p><p><strong>**Who You’ll Hear:</strong> **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), <a href="https://www.jpetriglieri.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jennifer Petriglieri</a>, author of Couples That Work.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Bonus: “The Surveillance Economy” from IRL</title>
			<itunes:title>Bonus: “The Surveillance Economy” from IRL</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2019 07:05:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>This week, we’re featuring an episode from the IRL podcast called “The Surveillance Economy.”</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>This week, we’re featuring an episode from the IRL podcast called “The Surveillance Economy.” Learn about the rise of surveillance capitalism, and hear from guests like Harvard Business School’s Shoshana Zuboff. She says that Big Tech uses our personal data to not only track, but also predict and even control our behavior. The culture of work and business has changed significantly due to surveillance capitalism. What have we gotten right, and where have we gone wrong? </p><p><br>IRL: Online Life is Real life is an original podcast from Firefox about online issues that affect us all. It’s hosted by ZigZag’s Manoush Zomorodi. Listen and subscribe to IRL on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Learn more about the series at [irlpodcast.org] (hyperlink to: <a href="https://irlpodcast.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://irlpodcast.org/</a>). </p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>This week, we’re featuring an episode from the IRL podcast called “The Surveillance Economy.” Learn about the rise of surveillance capitalism, and hear from guests like Harvard Business School’s Shoshana Zuboff. She says that Big Tech uses our personal data to not only track, but also predict and even control our behavior. The culture of work and business has changed significantly due to surveillance capitalism. What have we gotten right, and where have we gone wrong? </p><p><br>IRL: Online Life is Real life is an original podcast from Firefox about online issues that affect us all. It’s hosted by ZigZag’s Manoush Zomorodi. Listen and subscribe to IRL on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Learn more about the series at [irlpodcast.org] (hyperlink to: <a href="https://irlpodcast.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://irlpodcast.org/</a>). </p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>EP16: Ari Weinzweig is Prototyping a New Kind of Delicious Capitalism</title>
			<itunes:title>EP16: Ari Weinzweig is Prototyping a New Kind of Delicious Capitalism</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 24 Oct 2019 04:05:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[How the co-founder of Zingerman's Deli built a gourmet collective that's idolized by foodies and entrepreneurs alike.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>If you live in Michigan or run your company with a bit of an anarchist bent, you've likely heard of the <a href="https://www.zingermanscommunity.com/about-us/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Zingerman's</a> Community of Businesses, including a <a href="https://www.zingermanscoffee.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">coffee roaster</a>, <a href="https://www.zingermanscreamery.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">creamery</a>, and <a href="https://www.zingermanscandy.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">candy factory</a>, all co-owned and operated. On this episode, co-founder <a href="https://www.zingtrain.com/about-us/meet-the-trainers/ari-weinzweig" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ari Weinzweig </a>shares the story behind his alternative business empire, starting with a single deli in 1982 that grew into a collective making $60m a year in revenue. Plus, Manoush and Jen reveal their own attempts at <a href="https://www.zingtrain.com/business-visioning" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">business visioning</a> as they try to take community, cash flow, and personal sanity into equal consideration at <a href="http://stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a>.</p><p><strong>**Who You’ll Hear:</strong> **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), Ari Weinzweig, cofounder of @zingermans Community of Businesses</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>If you live in Michigan or run your company with a bit of an anarchist bent, you've likely heard of the <a href="https://www.zingermanscommunity.com/about-us/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Zingerman's</a> Community of Businesses, including a <a href="https://www.zingermanscoffee.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">coffee roaster</a>, <a href="https://www.zingermanscreamery.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">creamery</a>, and <a href="https://www.zingermanscandy.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">candy factory</a>, all co-owned and operated. On this episode, co-founder <a href="https://www.zingtrain.com/about-us/meet-the-trainers/ari-weinzweig" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ari Weinzweig </a>shares the story behind his alternative business empire, starting with a single deli in 1982 that grew into a collective making $60m a year in revenue. Plus, Manoush and Jen reveal their own attempts at <a href="https://www.zingtrain.com/business-visioning" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">business visioning</a> as they try to take community, cash flow, and personal sanity into equal consideration at <a href="http://stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a>.</p><p><strong>**Who You’ll Hear:</strong> **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), Ari Weinzweig, cofounder of @zingermans Community of Businesses</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S4 EP15: The Secret Ex-Rock Star at The Ford Foundation</title>
			<itunes:title>S4 EP15: The Secret Ex-Rock Star at The Ford Foundation</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2019 04:05:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Before Jenny Toomey became one of the most influential people working behind the scenes on all the big tech issues, she was a rock star. Quite literally.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>With her band <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsunami_(band)" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tsunami</a> and record label <a href="http://www.simplemachines.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Simple Machines</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/jennytoomey?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jenny Toomey</a> was a fixture on the '90s Washington, D.C. indie music scene. On this episode, Toomey shares her evolution from rocker to founder of the <a href="http://futureofmusic.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Future of Music Coalition</a> to director at the <a href="https://www.fordfoundation.org/about/people/jenny-toomey/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ford Foundation</a>, one of the world's wealthiest philanthropies. Be prepared to hear a <em>lot</em> of amazing music...and an inspiring ideas about how youthful ideals can mature into pragmatic and powerful careers.</p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions) @jennytoomey (Jenny Toomey, Director of the Internet Freedom Unit at the Ford Foundation)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>With her band <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsunami_(band)" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tsunami</a> and record label <a href="http://www.simplemachines.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Simple Machines</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/jennytoomey?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jenny Toomey</a> was a fixture on the '90s Washington, D.C. indie music scene. On this episode, Toomey shares her evolution from rocker to founder of the <a href="http://futureofmusic.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Future of Music Coalition</a> to director at the <a href="https://www.fordfoundation.org/about/people/jenny-toomey/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ford Foundation</a>, one of the world's wealthiest philanthropies. Be prepared to hear a <em>lot</em> of amazing music...and an inspiring ideas about how youthful ideals can mature into pragmatic and powerful careers.</p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions) @jennytoomey (Jenny Toomey, Director of the Internet Freedom Unit at the Ford Foundation)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA[S4 EP14: When Women Don't Support Other Women at Work]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA[S4 EP14: When Women Don't Support Other Women at Work]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 26 Sep 2019 04:15:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Katharine Zaleski didn't know she was a sexist boss...until she became a mother herself.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>14</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>In 2015, Katharine Zaleski wrote an op-ed for Fortune that went viral called <a href="https://fortune.com/2015/03/03/female-company-president-im-sorry-to-all-the-mothers-i-used-to-work-with/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">I’m Sorry to All the Mothers I Worked With</a>. In it, the former media exec apologized for “a long list of infractions against mothers,” whom she’d assumed couldn’t handle long hours or weren’t committed to their career because of parenting duties. One of those mothers was <em>ZigZag</em> host <a href="http://www.twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Manoush Zomorodi</a>. On this episode, she and Katharine make amends and track Katharine’s metamorphosis from a childless boss at the Huffington Post to a mother-of-two and gender-equity advocate as co-founder of the recruiting platform <a href="https://powertofly.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Power to Fly</a>. Katharine also shares her company’s surprising research on why highly-skilled women decide to quit jobs they love or don’t apply for positions in the first place. It’s NOT, she says, because women lack confidence.</p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions) @kzaleski (Katharine Zaleski, <a href="https://powertofly.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">cofounder of Power to Fly</a>.)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><p><strong>CREDITS:</strong><br>Matt Boynton, Audio Engineer and Sound Designer<br>Ania Grzesik, Audio Engineer<br>David Herman, Composer<br>Marcy Thompson, Producer<br>Maria Wurttele, Production Coordinator</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>In 2015, Katharine Zaleski wrote an op-ed for Fortune that went viral called <a href="https://fortune.com/2015/03/03/female-company-president-im-sorry-to-all-the-mothers-i-used-to-work-with/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">I’m Sorry to All the Mothers I Worked With</a>. In it, the former media exec apologized for “a long list of infractions against mothers,” whom she’d assumed couldn’t handle long hours or weren’t committed to their career because of parenting duties. One of those mothers was <em>ZigZag</em> host <a href="http://www.twitter.com/manoushz" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Manoush Zomorodi</a>. On this episode, she and Katharine make amends and track Katharine’s metamorphosis from a childless boss at the Huffington Post to a mother-of-two and gender-equity advocate as co-founder of the recruiting platform <a href="https://powertofly.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Power to Fly</a>. Katharine also shares her company’s surprising research on why highly-skilled women decide to quit jobs they love or don’t apply for positions in the first place. It’s NOT, she says, because women lack confidence.</p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions) @kzaleski (Katharine Zaleski, <a href="https://powertofly.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">cofounder of Power to Fly</a>.)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><p><strong>CREDITS:</strong><br>Matt Boynton, Audio Engineer and Sound Designer<br>Ania Grzesik, Audio Engineer<br>David Herman, Composer<br>Marcy Thompson, Producer<br>Maria Wurttele, Production Coordinator</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Bonus: Manoush Guest Hosts the TED Radio Hour!</title>
			<itunes:title>Bonus: Manoush Guest Hosts the TED Radio Hour!</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2019 04:15:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>We have a bonus for you this week!</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[We're excited that Manoush is guest hosting the Ted Radio Hour! To celebrate, we're bringing you her 2017 TED Talk. It's all about our relationship to technology, and how it sometimes helps us to avoid some very human states of mind, like boredom. It’s an inspiring 14 minutes, meant to help you recharge.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[We're excited that Manoush is guest hosting the Ted Radio Hour! To celebrate, we're bringing you her 2017 TED Talk. It's all about our relationship to technology, and how it sometimes helps us to avoid some very human states of mind, like boredom. It’s an inspiring 14 minutes, meant to help you recharge.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S4 EP 13: The CEO Who Paid Everyone the $ame $alary. Including Himself.</title>
			<itunes:title>S4 EP 13: The CEO Who Paid Everyone the $ame $alary. Including Himself.</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2019 04:15:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Dan Price tried all kinds of strategies to keep his company going. This one actually worked.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:season>4</itunes:season>
			<itunes:episode>13</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Dan Price, the <a href="https://gravitypayments.com/dan-price/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">founder of Gravity Payments</a>, became a media darling in 2015 after announcing that every employee would be paid a minimum of $70k. (Those salaries have consistently risen since then.) For most of his staff, the increase was dramatic (the median income in the U.S. is about <a href="https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/average-income-in-us-14852178" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">$60k</a>.) Now, four years later, Dan tells Manoush how an ex-girlfriend woke him up to Seattle’s high cost of living, what equal pay has done to his company’s bottom line, and what he thinks could rehabilitate other corporations and *their *overpaid CEOs. Plus, Manoush and Jen debate whether Dan’s pay strategy is replicable for <a href="http://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">their company</a>.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><strong>**Who You’ll Hear:</strong> **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @DanPriceSeattle (Dan Price, CEO of Gravity Payments)</p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><p><strong>CREDITS:</strong><br>Matt Boynton, Audio Engineer and Sound Designer<br>Ania Grzesik, Audio Engineer<br>David Herman, Composer<br>Marcy Thompson, Producer<br>Maria Wurttele, Production Coordinator</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Dan Price, the <a href="https://gravitypayments.com/dan-price/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">founder of Gravity Payments</a>, became a media darling in 2015 after announcing that every employee would be paid a minimum of $70k. (Those salaries have consistently risen since then.) For most of his staff, the increase was dramatic (the median income in the U.S. is about <a href="https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/average-income-in-us-14852178" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">$60k</a>.) Now, four years later, Dan tells Manoush how an ex-girlfriend woke him up to Seattle’s high cost of living, what equal pay has done to his company’s bottom line, and what he thinks could rehabilitate other corporations and *their *overpaid CEOs. Plus, Manoush and Jen debate whether Dan’s pay strategy is replicable for <a href="http://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">their company</a>.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><strong>**Who You’ll Hear:</strong> **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @DanPriceSeattle (Dan Price, CEO of Gravity Payments)</p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><p><strong>CREDITS:</strong><br>Matt Boynton, Audio Engineer and Sound Designer<br>Ania Grzesik, Audio Engineer<br>David Herman, Composer<br>Marcy Thompson, Producer<br>Maria Wurttele, Production Coordinator</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA[S4 EP12: We're Rethinking What Success Looks Like]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA[S4 EP12: We're Rethinking What Success Looks Like]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2019 04:15:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Economic growth at all costs is unsustainable--here's how our listeners are changing up their financial and personal goals.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>12</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><strong><em><br>ZigZag is back after a brief hiatus and kicking off a series of shows investigating how people are rethinking the notion of “success.”</em></strong><br><br>On this episode, listeners share their frustrations with an economy structured to thrive at the cost of the planet, communities, and their mental health. Plus, an analysis of their responses to the question: <em>how do you measure and define success in your life and work</em>? The data reveal 5 main goals listeners are striving for…and some intriguing tactics they’re using to align work and values.<br><br>Manoush and Jen discuss how the ZigZag community may be at the forefront of a culture shift. They also have a frank conversation about the future of their company, <a href="http://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a>, in light of Manoush’s tough summer.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), ZigZag Listeners!</p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><p><strong>Here are this week's <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a>from our sponsors.</strong> We're grateful when you use them and try to vet the products as best we can.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p><strong><em><br>ZigZag is back after a brief hiatus and kicking off a series of shows investigating how people are rethinking the notion of “success.”</em></strong><br><br>On this episode, listeners share their frustrations with an economy structured to thrive at the cost of the planet, communities, and their mental health. Plus, an analysis of their responses to the question: <em>how do you measure and define success in your life and work</em>? The data reveal 5 main goals listeners are striving for…and some intriguing tactics they’re using to align work and values.<br><br>Manoush and Jen discuss how the ZigZag community may be at the forefront of a culture shift. They also have a frank conversation about the future of their company, <a href="http://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a>, in light of Manoush’s tough summer.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), ZigZag Listeners!</p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><p><strong>Here are this week's <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a>from our sponsors.</strong> We're grateful when you use them and try to vet the products as best we can.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S4 EP11: Pacing Yourself After Burnout</title>
			<itunes:title>S4 EP11: Pacing Yourself After Burnout</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2019 04:15:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>43:16</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>After a near-death experience, podcaster Helen Zaltzman felt sublime. At first.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>11</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><br>Two years ago, <a href="http://helenzaltzman.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Helen Zaltzman</a> and her husband, <a href="http://www.martinzaltzaustwick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Martin Austwick</a>, gave up their London apartment to travel the world. She paid the bills by continuing to produce her two podcasts, <a href="https://www.theallusionist.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Allusionist</a> and <a href="https://answermethispodcast.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Answer Me This</a>, from the road. Things were going well until a visit to Tasmania, when Helen got a serious infection in her neck and had to be hospitalized. After nearly a month in intensive care, she was finally released. Helen was, of course, relieved to be alive. But she soon discovered that her brain no longer functioned the same way…and her work habits needed to change.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @HelenZaltzman (Helen Zaltzman, Host and Creator of the Answer Me This and The Allusionist Podcasts)</p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p><br>Two years ago, <a href="http://helenzaltzman.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Helen Zaltzman</a> and her husband, <a href="http://www.martinzaltzaustwick.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Martin Austwick</a>, gave up their London apartment to travel the world. She paid the bills by continuing to produce her two podcasts, <a href="https://www.theallusionist.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Allusionist</a> and <a href="https://answermethispodcast.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Answer Me This</a>, from the road. Things were going well until a visit to Tasmania, when Helen got a serious infection in her neck and had to be hospitalized. After nearly a month in intensive care, she was finally released. Helen was, of course, relieved to be alive. But she soon discovered that her brain no longer functioned the same way…and her work habits needed to change.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @HelenZaltzman (Helen Zaltzman, Host and Creator of the Answer Me This and The Allusionist Podcasts)</p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S4 EP10: This is What a Male Identity Crisis Sounds Like</title>
			<itunes:title>S4 EP10: This is What a Male Identity Crisis Sounds Like</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2019 11:59:33 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>50:08</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Wall Street guy Khe Hy gave up financial security to find himself. His story is less clichéd than you think.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:season>4</itunes:season>
			<itunes:episode>10</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Eighteen months. That's how long Khe Hy (pronounced Kay Hee) gave himself to figure out his life after quitting his extremely well-paid job at Blackrock Financials. His friends called him nuts. His immigrant parents thought they'd failed him. But his wife was supportive. She and Khe set some ground rules ("no stressing over little luxuries like ordering wine") and then embarked on an adventure to discover if he could make enough money to support his family, feel intellectually satisfied, and NOT check email when his kids are around. Hear what he found...plus, Manoush and Jen take Khe's quiz to better understand their own relationship to money.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @khemaridh (Khe Hy, Contributing Editor at Quartz and Creator of Rad Reads)</p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><p><strong>CREDITS:</strong><br>Matt Boynton, Audio Engineer and Sound Designer<br>Ania Grzesik, Audio Engineer<br>David Herman, Composer<br>Maria Wurttele, Production Coordinator</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Eighteen months. That's how long Khe Hy (pronounced Kay Hee) gave himself to figure out his life after quitting his extremely well-paid job at Blackrock Financials. His friends called him nuts. His immigrant parents thought they'd failed him. But his wife was supportive. She and Khe set some ground rules ("no stressing over little luxuries like ordering wine") and then embarked on an adventure to discover if he could make enough money to support his family, feel intellectually satisfied, and NOT check email when his kids are around. Hear what he found...plus, Manoush and Jen take Khe's quiz to better understand their own relationship to money.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @khemaridh (Khe Hy, Contributing Editor at Quartz and Creator of Rad Reads)</p><p><em>Thank you for supporting us by using <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/sponsoroffers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">special offer codes</a> from our sponsors, <a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">signing up for our free newsletter</a>, and subscribing to the show on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>.</em></p><p><strong>CREDITS:</strong><br>Matt Boynton, Audio Engineer and Sound Designer<br>Ania Grzesik, Audio Engineer<br>David Herman, Composer<br>Maria Wurttele, Production Coordinator</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S4 EP09: Is Your Career Veering Off Course...Or Just Doing a Zigzag?</title>
			<itunes:title>S4 EP09: Is Your Career Veering Off Course...Or Just Doing a Zigzag?</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jul 2019 04:15:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Key moments that changed the professional lives of Pinterest's ex-President, an Obama advisor, and a data scientist turned CEO.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>9</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>It can be hard to know if you're on the right track for building your career or business. Manoush and Jen consider crucial lessons from entrepreneurs whom they've reported on over the past five years, including <a href="https://www.crystalknows.com/blog/author/drew-dagostino" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a CEO</a> who changed his business model after the U.S. 2016 presidential election and a software engineer who built <a href="https://inthemoment.io/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">an app</a> ahead of its time. Plus, help for a listener worried she's addicted to "zigzagging"...and <a href="https://www.aspenideas.org/speakers/valerie-jarrett" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Valerie Jarrett</a> explains what accepting professional sharp turns did for her career.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions) Tim Kendall, CEO of <a href="https://inthemoment.io/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Moment App</a>, @kevinholesh (Kevin Holesh, Founder and Designer of Moment App,  @DrewDAgostino (Drew DAgostino, founder of <a href="https://twitter.com/CrystalKnowsMe" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@</a><strong><a href="https://twitter.com/CrystalKnowsMe" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CrystalKnowsMe)</a></strong></p><p><em><a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up for our newsletter</a> and subscribe to the podcast for free on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a></em>.</p><p><strong>CREDITS:</strong><br>Matt Boynton, Audio Engineer and Sound Designer<br>Ania Grzesik, Audio Engineer<br>David Herman, Composer<br>Maria Wurttele, Production Coordinator</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>It can be hard to know if you're on the right track for building your career or business. Manoush and Jen consider crucial lessons from entrepreneurs whom they've reported on over the past five years, including <a href="https://www.crystalknows.com/blog/author/drew-dagostino" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a CEO</a> who changed his business model after the U.S. 2016 presidential election and a software engineer who built <a href="https://inthemoment.io/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">an app</a> ahead of its time. Plus, help for a listener worried she's addicted to "zigzagging"...and <a href="https://www.aspenideas.org/speakers/valerie-jarrett" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Valerie Jarrett</a> explains what accepting professional sharp turns did for her career.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions) Tim Kendall, CEO of <a href="https://inthemoment.io/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Moment App</a>, @kevinholesh (Kevin Holesh, Founder and Designer of Moment App,  @DrewDAgostino (Drew DAgostino, founder of <a href="https://twitter.com/CrystalKnowsMe" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@</a><strong><a href="https://twitter.com/CrystalKnowsMe" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CrystalKnowsMe)</a></strong></p><p><em><a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up for our newsletter</a> and subscribe to the podcast for free on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a></em>.</p><p><strong>CREDITS:</strong><br>Matt Boynton, Audio Engineer and Sound Designer<br>Ania Grzesik, Audio Engineer<br>David Herman, Composer<br>Maria Wurttele, Production Coordinator</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S4 EP08: The Weird Kids At The Big Tech Party</title>
			<itunes:title>S4 EP08: The Weird Kids At The Big Tech Party</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2019 04:15:43 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Mozilla's Mark Surman is leading the fight to win customers without tracking the bejeezus out of them.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>8</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Before Silicon Valley was dominated by <a href="https://theconversation.com/big-tech-isnt-one-big-monopoly-its-5-companies-all-in-different-businesses-92791" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the Big Five</a> tech companies, there was <a href="https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mozilla</a>, an organization founded by a motley crew of coders and activists who believe the internet should be open to everyone. Those punk rock roots live on in Mozilla's <a href="https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Firefox</a> browser and its decision to stop running ads on Facebook. On this episode, hear <a href="https://twitter.com/msurman" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mark Surman</a>, President and Executive Director of the Mozilla Foundation, on why "privacy" is a new business opportunity for entrepreneurs, whether he thinks kids should learn to code (or not), and how he doesn't burn out fighting the monopoly mindset of Silicon Valley. <br><br>Also, Manoush and Jen explain why they're ok with a certain kind of "branded" podcast like Firefox's <a href="http://www.irlpodcast.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">IRL</a>, which Manoush hosts.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions) @msurman (Executive Director of @mozilla)</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Before Silicon Valley was dominated by <a href="https://theconversation.com/big-tech-isnt-one-big-monopoly-its-5-companies-all-in-different-businesses-92791" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the Big Five</a> tech companies, there was <a href="https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mozilla</a>, an organization founded by a motley crew of coders and activists who believe the internet should be open to everyone. Those punk rock roots live on in Mozilla's <a href="https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Firefox</a> browser and its decision to stop running ads on Facebook. On this episode, hear <a href="https://twitter.com/msurman" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mark Surman</a>, President and Executive Director of the Mozilla Foundation, on why "privacy" is a new business opportunity for entrepreneurs, whether he thinks kids should learn to code (or not), and how he doesn't burn out fighting the monopoly mindset of Silicon Valley. <br><br>Also, Manoush and Jen explain why they're ok with a certain kind of "branded" podcast like Firefox's <a href="http://www.irlpodcast.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">IRL</a>, which Manoush hosts.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions) @msurman (Executive Director of @mozilla)</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S4 EP07: 46, Female, and Ambitious. Is that so wrong?</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2019 04:15:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[When Mallory Kasdan's work as a successful voice-over artist dried up, she discovered she wanted to sound like HERSELF.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>7</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>You've probably heard her hundreds of times. <a href="https://www.milkpodcast.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mallory Kasdan</a> is the voice of dozens of ads, from Crest White Strips to Nickelodeon. For years, she made an excellent living sounding like the quintessential "hip mom" or sassy big sister, who happened to have a product to shill. But recently, as social media and celebs upended the advertising industry, Mallory stopped booking jobs. She's had to find new ways to pay the bills and get health insurance for her family. And she's doing it by sounding like...herself.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions) @MalloryKasdan (Mallory Kasdan, host &amp; producer of MILK Podcast: Moms I'd Like to Know. Voiceover person. Author of ELLA. Mom of people.)</p><p><em><a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up for our newsletter</a> and subscribe to the podcast for free on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a></em>.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>You've probably heard her hundreds of times. <a href="https://www.milkpodcast.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mallory Kasdan</a> is the voice of dozens of ads, from Crest White Strips to Nickelodeon. For years, she made an excellent living sounding like the quintessential "hip mom" or sassy big sister, who happened to have a product to shill. But recently, as social media and celebs upended the advertising industry, Mallory stopped booking jobs. She's had to find new ways to pay the bills and get health insurance for her family. And she's doing it by sounding like...herself.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions) @MalloryKasdan (Mallory Kasdan, host &amp; producer of MILK Podcast: Moms I'd Like to Know. Voiceover person. Author of ELLA. Mom of people.)</p><p><em><a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up for our newsletter</a> and subscribe to the podcast for free on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a></em>.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA[S4 EP06: Why Craiglist's Founder Just Wrote Consumer Reports a $6m Check]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA[S4 EP06: Why Craiglist's Founder Just Wrote Consumer Reports a $6m Check]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2019 07:05:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>The Craigslist Founder wants a new way to rate products and set the nerds free.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>6</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/index.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><br>Consumer Reports</a>, the<a href="https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OG" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">OG</a>‘s of product reviews, just got an upgrade: $6 million from Craigslist founder turned philanthropist,<a href="https://craignewmarkphilanthropies.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Craig Newmark</a>. On this special episode, he and the CEO of Consumer Reports,<a href="https://advocacy.consumerreports.org/expert/marta-tellado/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Marta Tellado</a>, announce their big plans to test all our apps and connected devices with a new set of criteria: one that takes people’s personal privacy and the collective good into account.<br><br>Plus, Craig shares his thinking behind funding journalism start-ups like<a href="https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05/the-markup-craig-newmark-journalism" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Markup</a>.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p>Who You’ll Hear: @manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions) @craignewmark (Craig Newmark, Founder of Craigslist and Craig Newmark Philanthropies), @MLTellado (Marta Tellado, CEO of Consumer Reports) <br><br><em><a href="https://www.stableg.com/newsletter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Learn more about our awesome bi-weekly newsletter</a> and get the podcast for free on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a></em>.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/index.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><br>Consumer Reports</a>, the<a href="https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OG" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">OG</a>‘s of product reviews, just got an upgrade: $6 million from Craigslist founder turned philanthropist,<a href="https://craignewmarkphilanthropies.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Craig Newmark</a>. On this special episode, he and the CEO of Consumer Reports,<a href="https://advocacy.consumerreports.org/expert/marta-tellado/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Marta Tellado</a>, announce their big plans to test all our apps and connected devices with a new set of criteria: one that takes people’s personal privacy and the collective good into account.<br><br>Plus, Craig shares his thinking behind funding journalism start-ups like<a href="https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05/the-markup-craig-newmark-journalism" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Markup</a>.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p>Who You’ll Hear: @manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions) @craignewmark (Craig Newmark, Founder of Craigslist and Craig Newmark Philanthropies), @MLTellado (Marta Tellado, CEO of Consumer Reports) <br><br><em><a href="https://www.stableg.com/newsletter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Learn more about our awesome bi-weekly newsletter</a> and get the podcast for free on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a></em>.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S4 EP05: The Venture Capitalist Asking Existential Questions</title>
			<itunes:title>S4 EP05: The Venture Capitalist Asking Existential Questions</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2019 04:05:34 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Venture Capitalist Caterina Fake is putting money into companies that don't mess with our heads.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>5</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>We went looking for a venture capitalist who is investing in products or platforms that make money AND make our lives a bit saner: <a href="https://caterina.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Caterina Fake</a> co-founded Flickr, coined the acronym FOMO, and is now a partner at <a href="https://yes.vc/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Yes VC</a>. She’s putting her money behind companies that she thinks will grow big and fast…but in ethical ways. Caterina explains why she said ‘no’ to joining the fancy VC firms on <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/how-sand-hill-road-became-the-main-street-of-venture-capital/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sand Hill Road</a>, what she’s looking for in entrepreneurs, and how to focus on what matters to <em>you</em> online.</p><p>Plus, Jen and Manoush discuss some astounding statistics about where money goes in Silicon Valley and Dr. Ernie, a longtime listener who leaves them the. best. voice memos. ever.</p><p><strong>WHO YOU’LL HEAR:</strong></p><p>@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), <a href="https://twitter.com/Caterina" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@</a>**<a href="https://twitter.com/Caterina" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Caterina</a>**‏ (Caterina Fake, Host, Should this Exist? Investor, Yes VC. Cofounder: Flickr, Hunch, Sesat School. Etsy).</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em><a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up for our newsletter</a> and subscribe to the podcast for free on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a></em>.</p><p><strong>CREDITS:</strong><br>Matt Boynton, Audio Engineer and Sound Designer<br>David Herman, Composer<br>Maria Wurttele, Production Coordinator</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>We went looking for a venture capitalist who is investing in products or platforms that make money AND make our lives a bit saner: <a href="https://caterina.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Caterina Fake</a> co-founded Flickr, coined the acronym FOMO, and is now a partner at <a href="https://yes.vc/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Yes VC</a>. She’s putting her money behind companies that she thinks will grow big and fast…but in ethical ways. Caterina explains why she said ‘no’ to joining the fancy VC firms on <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/how-sand-hill-road-became-the-main-street-of-venture-capital/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sand Hill Road</a>, what she’s looking for in entrepreneurs, and how to focus on what matters to <em>you</em> online.</p><p>Plus, Jen and Manoush discuss some astounding statistics about where money goes in Silicon Valley and Dr. Ernie, a longtime listener who leaves them the. best. voice memos. ever.</p><p><strong>WHO YOU’LL HEAR:</strong></p><p>@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), <a href="https://twitter.com/Caterina" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@</a>**<a href="https://twitter.com/Caterina" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Caterina</a>**‏ (Caterina Fake, Host, Should this Exist? Investor, Yes VC. Cofounder: Flickr, Hunch, Sesat School. Etsy).</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em><a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up for our newsletter</a> and subscribe to the podcast for free on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a></em>.</p><p><strong>CREDITS:</strong><br>Matt Boynton, Audio Engineer and Sound Designer<br>David Herman, Composer<br>Maria Wurttele, Production Coordinator</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA[S4 EP04: When Your Gut Tells You It's Time to END Your Company]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA[S4 EP04: When Your Gut Tells You It's Time to END Your Company]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2019 04:15:56 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Grace Bonney is shutting down her influential site Design*Sponge. And it's making some people uncomfortable.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:season>4</itunes:season>
			<itunes:episode>4</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>We hear a lot about how people start up companies but what about winding them <em>down</em>? After 15 years, media entrepreneur and "influencer" <a href="https://www.instagram.com/designsponge/?hl=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Grace Bonney </a>has decided to close her lifestyle blog <a href="https://www.designsponge.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Design*Sponge</a>. In this episode, Grace explains why she decided <em>not</em> to sell her business and has no plans beyond the farewell party...other than rethinking her relationship to the web. <br><br>Plus, Manoush and Jen debate whether being a woman online means having to "perform" vulnerability and wonder if men also use entrepreneurship as a way to carve out their identity.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em><a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up for our newsletter</a> and subscribe to the podcast for free on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a></em>.</p><p><strong>CREDITS:</strong><br>Matt Boynton, Audio Engineer and Sound Designer<br>David Herman, Composer<br>Maria Wurttele, Production Coordinator</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>We hear a lot about how people start up companies but what about winding them <em>down</em>? After 15 years, media entrepreneur and "influencer" <a href="https://www.instagram.com/designsponge/?hl=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Grace Bonney </a>has decided to close her lifestyle blog <a href="https://www.designsponge.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Design*Sponge</a>. In this episode, Grace explains why she decided <em>not</em> to sell her business and has no plans beyond the farewell party...other than rethinking her relationship to the web. <br><br>Plus, Manoush and Jen debate whether being a woman online means having to "perform" vulnerability and wonder if men also use entrepreneurship as a way to carve out their identity.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em><a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up for our newsletter</a> and subscribe to the podcast for free on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a></em>.</p><p><strong>CREDITS:</strong><br>Matt Boynton, Audio Engineer and Sound Designer<br>David Herman, Composer<br>Maria Wurttele, Production Coordinator</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA[S4 EP03: Adam Grant Says Your Next Boss Might Want You to "Self Manage"]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA[S4 EP03: Adam Grant Says Your Next Boss Might Want You to "Self Manage"]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2019 04:05:17 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>41:07</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[The organizational psychologist guides us through (and rates) the latest trends in how we work, from "Holacracy" to "Radical Candor."]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:season>4</itunes:season>
			<itunes:episode>3</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The workplace has become a place of sociological experimentation. But what are the pros and cons to “flattening” hierarchy or employees giving each other "radically transparent" feedback? <a href="https://www.adamgrant.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Organizational psychologist Adam Grant</a> (and host of TED's <em><a href="https://www.ted.com/podcasts/worklife" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">WorkLife</a></em> podcast) explains some of the most cutting-edge workplace behavioral changes, how they reflect other societal changes like the #MeToo movement, and what each of us can do to evolve while GETTING OUR WORK DONE.</p><p>Plus, <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/about/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jen and Manoush</a>  consider how working remotely has affected their creative process and caused some hiccups with team coordination.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em><a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up for our newsletter</a> and subscribe to the podcast for free on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a></em>.</p><p><strong>WHO YOU’LL HEAR:</strong></p><p>@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions) <br>@AdamMGrant (Adam Grant, Organizational Psychologist @wharton and host of the Work Life Podcast)</p><p><strong>EDITS:</strong><br>Matt Boynton, Audio Engineer and Sound Designer<br>David Herman, Composer<br>Maria Wurttele, Production Coordinator</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>The workplace has become a place of sociological experimentation. But what are the pros and cons to “flattening” hierarchy or employees giving each other "radically transparent" feedback? <a href="https://www.adamgrant.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Organizational psychologist Adam Grant</a> (and host of TED's <em><a href="https://www.ted.com/podcasts/worklife" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">WorkLife</a></em> podcast) explains some of the most cutting-edge workplace behavioral changes, how they reflect other societal changes like the #MeToo movement, and what each of us can do to evolve while GETTING OUR WORK DONE.</p><p>Plus, <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/about/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jen and Manoush</a>  consider how working remotely has affected their creative process and caused some hiccups with team coordination.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><em><a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up for our newsletter</a> and subscribe to the podcast for free on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a></em>.</p><p><strong>WHO YOU’LL HEAR:</strong></p><p>@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions) <br>@AdamMGrant (Adam Grant, Organizational Psychologist @wharton and host of the Work Life Podcast)</p><p><strong>EDITS:</strong><br>Matt Boynton, Audio Engineer and Sound Designer<br>David Herman, Composer<br>Maria Wurttele, Production Coordinator</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA[Bonus: Our Old Podcast is Back! Here's a Taste.]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA[Bonus: Our Old Podcast is Back! Here's a Taste.]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2019 21:30:15 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>35:59</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Note to Self, the show Jen and Manoush used to make at New York Public Radio is back. Here's the first episode. Enjoy.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[The tech show about being human returns with an all new season exclusively on the new Luminary app. Manoush kicks things off with the latest on the battle between kids and parents over their screens: do we know how kids are impacted by tech? Does it make them less empathetic? Are they being constantly bullied online? Even if we can help kids figure out their digital habits, are we adults totally screwed? Researcher Elizabeth Englander joins Manoush to share new findings and give the most pragmatic advice about how kids and adults can build better relationships with their tech and each other.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[The tech show about being human returns with an all new season exclusively on the new Luminary app. Manoush kicks things off with the latest on the battle between kids and parents over their screens: do we know how kids are impacted by tech? Does it make them less empathetic? Are they being constantly bullied online? Even if we can help kids figure out their digital habits, are we adults totally screwed? Researcher Elizabeth Englander joins Manoush to share new findings and give the most pragmatic advice about how kids and adults can build better relationships with their tech and each other.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA[S4 EP02: An Alternative To Silicon Valley's "Unicorn" Bullsh*t]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA[S4 EP02: An Alternative To Silicon Valley's "Unicorn" Bullsh*t]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2019 04:15:30 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>44:49</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Zebra's Unite is a new brand of entrepreneurialism--one symbolized by a hooved creature who actually roams the earth.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:season>4</itunes:season>
			<itunes:episode>2</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Founded by <a href="https://twitter.com/jenniferbrandel?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jenn Brandel</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/marazepeda?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mara Zapeda</a>, the growing <a href="https://www.zebrasunite.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Zebras Unite</a> network is a backlash against Silicon Valley's so-called "unicorn" companies.</p><p>Many of these entrepreneurs are saying <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/technology/start-ups-rejecting-venture-capital.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">no to venture capital investors</a> and attempting to build sustainable companies that fit their lives and values. But Jenn and Mara's inspiring real talk about making money AND doing good isn't just for "founders." It's about rethinking the role that all companies--and YOU--have in society. Zebras epitomize what we're doing this season: examining the current culture of business, figuring out what needs to change, and experimenting with new ways to do it.</p><p><em><a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up for our newsletter</a> and subscribe to the podcast for free on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a></em>.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><strong>CREDITS:</strong><br>Matt Boynton, Audio Engineer<br>David Herman, Composer<br>Maria Wurttele, Production Coordinator</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Founded by <a href="https://twitter.com/jenniferbrandel?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jenn Brandel</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/marazepeda?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mara Zapeda</a>, the growing <a href="https://www.zebrasunite.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Zebras Unite</a> network is a backlash against Silicon Valley's so-called "unicorn" companies.</p><p>Many of these entrepreneurs are saying <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/technology/start-ups-rejecting-venture-capital.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">no to venture capital investors</a> and attempting to build sustainable companies that fit their lives and values. But Jenn and Mara's inspiring real talk about making money AND doing good isn't just for "founders." It's about rethinking the role that all companies--and YOU--have in society. Zebras epitomize what we're doing this season: examining the current culture of business, figuring out what needs to change, and experimenting with new ways to do it.</p><p><em><a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up for our newsletter</a> and subscribe to the podcast for free on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a></em>.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><p><strong>CREDITS:</strong><br>Matt Boynton, Audio Engineer<br>David Herman, Composer<br>Maria Wurttele, Production Coordinator</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S4 EP01: Manoush and Jen Became Entrepreneurs One Year Ago</title>
			<itunes:title>S4 EP01: Manoush and Jen Became Entrepreneurs One Year Ago</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2019 04:30:54 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Here's what they wish they'd known. And where they're going next.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>On the launch episode of Season Four, Jen and Manoush celebrate the first anniversary of their company, <a href="http://www.stableg.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a>, and share the most important and difficult entrepreneurial lessons they've learned over the past year. <br><br>They also explain how, after a year of experimentation with format and blockchain technology, ZigZag is evolving into a podcast that takes an honest look at the culture of business--and what needs to change.</p><p>*<a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up for our newsletter</a> and subscribe to the podcast for free on <em><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a></em>. *</p><p><strong>WHO YOU’LL HEAR:</strong></p><p>@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>On the launch episode of Season Four, Jen and Manoush celebrate the first anniversary of their company, <a href="http://www.stableg.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a>, and share the most important and difficult entrepreneurial lessons they've learned over the past year. <br><br>They also explain how, after a year of experimentation with format and blockchain technology, ZigZag is evolving into a podcast that takes an honest look at the culture of business--and what needs to change.</p><p>*<a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up for our newsletter</a> and subscribe to the podcast for free on <em><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/zigzag/id1385700943?mt=2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnN0YWJsZWcuY29tL3ppZ3phZ3BvZGNhc3Q%3D" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://radiopublic.com/zigzag-WDRREo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">RadioPublic</a>, <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/prx/zigzag-radiotopia" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stitcher</a>,<a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1385700943/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> Overcast</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MSR67mKocBZSjWVAISA3L?si=lXxi7xtaSpSM3iq0aC0tfQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, or <a href="https://www.breaker.audio/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a></em>. *</p><p><strong>WHO YOU’LL HEAR:</strong></p><p>@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, cohost of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies. </p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1. </p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S3 EP06: The Plateau of Productivity</title>
			<itunes:title>S3 EP06: The Plateau of Productivity</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2019 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Sexy it's not, but the last phase of the Hype Cycle means you're LEGIT.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>6</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>What IS that anti-climactic feeling we get after completing a big project? Shouldn’t we be patting ourselves on the back and mixing celebratory martinis? Perhaps you’ve simply entered the final phase of the <a href="https://www.gartner.com/en/research/methodologies/gartner-hype-cycle" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hype Cycle</a>: the rather dull <em>Plateau of Productivity</em>. This is when an idea just WORKS, maybe even becomes a <a href="https://hitenism.com/hype-cycle-and-the-norm/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">cultural norm</a>. <br><br>All season long we’ve been tracking how ideas spark, evolve, and grow. Our final episode includes some harsh listener feedback, a conversation between women new to their local legislature, and late-breaking news from the Rust Belt town of Massena, NY.</p><p>*<strong>Season 4 debuts April 11 with a special series on redefining goals, ambition, and success in turbulent times.</strong> *</p><p><strong>WHO YOU’LL HEAR:</strong></p><p>@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @tkbeaty (Thalia Beaty, producer of ZigZag), @JackieFenn (Jackie Fenn, Gartner Analyst),  @NArquiettd11 (Nance Arquiett St. Lawrence County legislator for District 11), <a href="https://twitter.com/ElectCurran2018" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@</a>**<a href="https://twitter.com/ElectCurran2018" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ElectCurran2018 (</a>**Rita Curran St. Lawrence County legislator for District 15)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>What IS that anti-climactic feeling we get after completing a big project? Shouldn’t we be patting ourselves on the back and mixing celebratory martinis? Perhaps you’ve simply entered the final phase of the <a href="https://www.gartner.com/en/research/methodologies/gartner-hype-cycle" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hype Cycle</a>: the rather dull <em>Plateau of Productivity</em>. This is when an idea just WORKS, maybe even becomes a <a href="https://hitenism.com/hype-cycle-and-the-norm/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">cultural norm</a>. <br><br>All season long we’ve been tracking how ideas spark, evolve, and grow. Our final episode includes some harsh listener feedback, a conversation between women new to their local legislature, and late-breaking news from the Rust Belt town of Massena, NY.</p><p>*<strong>Season 4 debuts April 11 with a special series on redefining goals, ambition, and success in turbulent times.</strong> *</p><p><strong>WHO YOU’LL HEAR:</strong></p><p>@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @tkbeaty (Thalia Beaty, producer of ZigZag), @JackieFenn (Jackie Fenn, Gartner Analyst),  @NArquiettd11 (Nance Arquiett St. Lawrence County legislator for District 11), <a href="https://twitter.com/ElectCurran2018" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@</a>**<a href="https://twitter.com/ElectCurran2018" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ElectCurran2018 (</a>**Rita Curran St. Lawrence County legislator for District 15)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S3 EP5: The Slope of Enlightenment</title>
			<itunes:title>S3 EP5: The Slope of Enlightenment</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2019 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Wait! Your crazy idea is working after all.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>We're almost at the end of our deep-dive into the lifecycle of innovation, or the so-called  <a href="https://www.gartner.com/en/research/methodologies/gartner-hype-cycle" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hype Cycle</a>. Phase Four, aka the Slope of Enlightenment, is when the breakthrough happens, you get out of the <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2019/02/27/s3-ep4-the-trough-of-disillusionment/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">trough</a>, and start moving forward.  We're using this phase to share big news from <a href="http://www.stableg.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a> and talk to  <a href="https://theconversation.com/profiles/katrina-kelly-pitou-490731" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Katrina Kelly-Pitou</a>, an environmental economist, on the truth behind blockchain's energy-guzzling reputation. Plus, the mayor who made history by banning Bitcoin operations in his city. And then decided to allow them back in. Get ready to be enlightened.</p><p>*Also, our email newsletter is a must read. **<a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up</a> for a bi-weekly letter from Manoush with links to her favorite articles and podcasts, a look behind-the-scenes at Stable Genius Productions, and upcoming events. (For example, our guest Jackie Fenn wrote <a href="https://www.indiebound.org/book/9780998775906?aff=kirkus_reviews" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a novel</a> about a programmer whose algorithm goes rogue!)</p><p><strong>Who You’ll Hear</strong>: Katrina Kelly-Pitou Professor Resilient Energy and Power Systems, Swanson School of Engineering, University of Pittsburgh (@manoushz) Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag (@tkbeaty) Thalia Beaty, producer of ZigZag</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>We're almost at the end of our deep-dive into the lifecycle of innovation, or the so-called  <a href="https://www.gartner.com/en/research/methodologies/gartner-hype-cycle" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hype Cycle</a>. Phase Four, aka the Slope of Enlightenment, is when the breakthrough happens, you get out of the <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2019/02/27/s3-ep4-the-trough-of-disillusionment/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">trough</a>, and start moving forward.  We're using this phase to share big news from <a href="http://www.stableg.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a> and talk to  <a href="https://theconversation.com/profiles/katrina-kelly-pitou-490731" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Katrina Kelly-Pitou</a>, an environmental economist, on the truth behind blockchain's energy-guzzling reputation. Plus, the mayor who made history by banning Bitcoin operations in his city. And then decided to allow them back in. Get ready to be enlightened.</p><p>*Also, our email newsletter is a must read. **<a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up</a> for a bi-weekly letter from Manoush with links to her favorite articles and podcasts, a look behind-the-scenes at Stable Genius Productions, and upcoming events. (For example, our guest Jackie Fenn wrote <a href="https://www.indiebound.org/book/9780998775906?aff=kirkus_reviews" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a novel</a> about a programmer whose algorithm goes rogue!)</p><p><strong>Who You’ll Hear</strong>: Katrina Kelly-Pitou Professor Resilient Energy and Power Systems, Swanson School of Engineering, University of Pittsburgh (@manoushz) Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag (@tkbeaty) Thalia Beaty, producer of ZigZag</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S3 EP4: The Trough of Disillusionment</title>
			<itunes:title>S3 EP4: The Trough of Disillusionment</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2019 05:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>When the world looks bleak and all the good ideas seem taken.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Our journey through the <a href="https://www.gartner.com/en/research/methodologies/gartner-hype-cycle" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hype Cycle</a> takes a dark turn this week. Because every innovative idea, sadly, must pass through the third (and most miserable) phase of the cycle: the Trough of Disillusionment. This is when you start questioning why you ever decided to INSERT GOAL HERE in the first place.</p><p>Hear <a href="http://werbach.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Professor Kevin Werbach</a> explain the difference between full-on failure and simply measuring success on a longer timeline, as related to tech and blockchain. (Because this podcast loves using blockchain as a metaphor for life.)</p><p>Plus, a local union rep, Dave LaClair, gives producer Thalia Beaty a personal tour of Massena, NY, a town definitely in the “trough.” Their afternoon together ends with an insightful conversation about the people left behind in the U.S economy and how society has gotten to a place where real talk is rare.</p><p>**Also, our email newsletter is a must read. **<a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up</a> for a bi-weekly letter from Manoush with links to her favorite articles and podcasts, a look behind-the-scenes at Stable Genius Productions, and upcoming events. (For example, our guest Jackie Fenn wrote <a href="https://www.indiebound.org/book/9780998775906?aff=kirkus_reviews" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a novel</a> about a programmer whose algorithm goes rogue!)</p><p><strong>Who You’ll Hear</strong>: (<a href="https://twitter.com/kwerb" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@</a>**<a href="https://twitter.com/kwerb" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kwerb</a>**‏) Kevin Werbach, Professor of Legal Studies and Business Ethics at the Wharton School of Business, Dave La Clair of Massena, NY,  (@manoushz) Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag (@tkbeaty) Thalia Beaty, producer of ZigZag</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Our journey through the <a href="https://www.gartner.com/en/research/methodologies/gartner-hype-cycle" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hype Cycle</a> takes a dark turn this week. Because every innovative idea, sadly, must pass through the third (and most miserable) phase of the cycle: the Trough of Disillusionment. This is when you start questioning why you ever decided to INSERT GOAL HERE in the first place.</p><p>Hear <a href="http://werbach.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Professor Kevin Werbach</a> explain the difference between full-on failure and simply measuring success on a longer timeline, as related to tech and blockchain. (Because this podcast loves using blockchain as a metaphor for life.)</p><p>Plus, a local union rep, Dave LaClair, gives producer Thalia Beaty a personal tour of Massena, NY, a town definitely in the “trough.” Their afternoon together ends with an insightful conversation about the people left behind in the U.S economy and how society has gotten to a place where real talk is rare.</p><p>**Also, our email newsletter is a must read. **<a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up</a> for a bi-weekly letter from Manoush with links to her favorite articles and podcasts, a look behind-the-scenes at Stable Genius Productions, and upcoming events. (For example, our guest Jackie Fenn wrote <a href="https://www.indiebound.org/book/9780998775906?aff=kirkus_reviews" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a novel</a> about a programmer whose algorithm goes rogue!)</p><p><strong>Who You’ll Hear</strong>: (<a href="https://twitter.com/kwerb" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@</a>**<a href="https://twitter.com/kwerb" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kwerb</a>**‏) Kevin Werbach, Professor of Legal Studies and Business Ethics at the Wharton School of Business, Dave La Clair of Massena, NY,  (@manoushz) Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag (@tkbeaty) Thalia Beaty, producer of ZigZag</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S3 EP3: The Peak of Expectations</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2019 09:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Cultivating an innovative idea requires having a lush (some might say delusional) vision.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>As we continue through the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hype Cycle</a>, we reach the fun, thrilling, titillating phase: the Peak of Expectations. It generates the vital inspiration and adrenaline that keeps every entrepreneur or visionary going (that includes the listener who is in the midst of sleep training her baby daughter). On this episode, Manoush and Jen analyze their start-up highs and wonder whether <a href="https://www.recode.net/2019/2/6/18213456/spotify-podcast-gimlet-anchor-q4-results" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">exciting industry news</a> means podcasting has hit its peak. Plus, more from Massena, NY, as we go inside cavernous Bitcoin factories to hear what extreme optimism sounds like. Just beware: after every high comes a low.</p><p>Are you signed up for our newsletter? We’ve got links to articles and other great podcasts plus a personal note from Manoush. Go to ZigZagPod.com or just email us at <a href="mailto:zigzag@StableG.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">zigzag@StableG.com</a> and we’ll sign you up.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>As we continue through the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hype Cycle</a>, we reach the fun, thrilling, titillating phase: the Peak of Expectations. It generates the vital inspiration and adrenaline that keeps every entrepreneur or visionary going (that includes the listener who is in the midst of sleep training her baby daughter). On this episode, Manoush and Jen analyze their start-up highs and wonder whether <a href="https://www.recode.net/2019/2/6/18213456/spotify-podcast-gimlet-anchor-q4-results" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">exciting industry news</a> means podcasting has hit its peak. Plus, more from Massena, NY, as we go inside cavernous Bitcoin factories to hear what extreme optimism sounds like. Just beware: after every high comes a low.</p><p>Are you signed up for our newsletter? We’ve got links to articles and other great podcasts plus a personal note from Manoush. Go to ZigZagPod.com or just email us at <a href="mailto:zigzag@StableG.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">zigzag@StableG.com</a> and we’ll sign you up.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S3 EP2: What Triggers Innovation</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2019 06:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Manoush continues her exploration of the different phases of the hype cycle, with the first phase: the innovation trigger. And Thalia takes a trip to North Country to investigate how Messina is faring with a new blockchain operation in town.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Question:</strong> what SPARKS us to *act *on an idea, rather than let it fade away? <strong>Answer:</strong> an "Innovation Trigger," also known as Phase 1 of  <a href="https://www.gartner.com/en/research/methodologies/gartner-hype-cycle" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the Hype Cycle</a>. Hear listeners detail what triggered them to pursue a project, more from Gartner analyst <a href="https://www.gartner.com/analyst/6543/Jackie-Fenn" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jackie Fenn</a>, and how a hydroelectric dam prompted one small town to start manufacturing Bitcoin, for better and worse.</p><p><strong>All this season, we're exploring the lifecycle of ideas, including a visit to a town by the Canadian border where one of the biggest Bitcoin mining operations in the world is ramping up, and some claim crypto can save a community in financial ruin.</strong></p><p><strong>Tell us what's going on in your life and where YOU are on the Hype Cycle right now: record a voice memo and send it to [<a href="mailto:ZigZag@StableG.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag@StableG.com</a>](<a href="mailto:zigzag@stableg.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">zigzag@stableg.com</a>).</strong></p><p>**Also, our email newsletter is a must read. **<a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up</a> for a bi-weekly letter from Manoush with links to her favorite articles and podcasts, a look behind-the-scenes at Stable Genius Productions, and upcoming events. (For example, our guest Jackie Fenn wrote <a href="https://www.indiebound.org/book/9780998775906?aff=kirkus_reviews" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a novel</a> about a programmer whose algorithm goes rogue!)</p><p><strong>Who You’ll Hear</strong>: (@jackiefenn) Jackie Fenn, Senior Analyst at Gartner,  (@manoushz) Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag (@tkbeaty) Thalia Beaty, producer of ZigZag</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p><strong>Question:</strong> what SPARKS us to *act *on an idea, rather than let it fade away? <strong>Answer:</strong> an "Innovation Trigger," also known as Phase 1 of  <a href="https://www.gartner.com/en/research/methodologies/gartner-hype-cycle" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the Hype Cycle</a>. Hear listeners detail what triggered them to pursue a project, more from Gartner analyst <a href="https://www.gartner.com/analyst/6543/Jackie-Fenn" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jackie Fenn</a>, and how a hydroelectric dam prompted one small town to start manufacturing Bitcoin, for better and worse.</p><p><strong>All this season, we're exploring the lifecycle of ideas, including a visit to a town by the Canadian border where one of the biggest Bitcoin mining operations in the world is ramping up, and some claim crypto can save a community in financial ruin.</strong></p><p><strong>Tell us what's going on in your life and where YOU are on the Hype Cycle right now: record a voice memo and send it to [<a href="mailto:ZigZag@StableG.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag@StableG.com</a>](<a href="mailto:zigzag@stableg.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">zigzag@stableg.com</a>).</strong></p><p>**Also, our email newsletter is a must read. **<a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up</a> for a bi-weekly letter from Manoush with links to her favorite articles and podcasts, a look behind-the-scenes at Stable Genius Productions, and upcoming events. (For example, our guest Jackie Fenn wrote <a href="https://www.indiebound.org/book/9780998775906?aff=kirkus_reviews" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a novel</a> about a programmer whose algorithm goes rogue!)</p><p><strong>Who You’ll Hear</strong>: (@jackiefenn) Jackie Fenn, Senior Analyst at Gartner,  (@manoushz) Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag (@tkbeaty) Thalia Beaty, producer of ZigZag</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S3 EP1: The Lifecycle of an Idea</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2019 05:28:34 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Season 3 of ZigZag is about riding the Hype Cycle.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>You may *feel *like a special snowflake, but even our best ideas usually take a predictable path: they'll pass through the 5 Phases of the Hype Cycle. Tech analyst <a href="https://www.gartner.com/analyst/6543/Jackie-Fenn" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jackie Fenn</a> created this iconic graph (see below) 25 years ago, and it's been used to track innovations (yes, like blockchain) ever since. But the Hype Cycle isn't just for tech: understanding it can help you decide when to press ahead with a job, relationship, or New Year's resolution... or cut your losses and move on.</p><p><strong>All this season, we're exploring the lifecycle of ideas, including a visit to a town by the Canadian border where one of the biggest Bitcoin mining operations in the world is ramping up, and some claim crypto can save a community in financial ruin.</strong></p><p><strong>Tell us what's going on in your life and where YOU are on the Hype Cycle right now: record a voice memo and send it to [<a href="mailto:ZigZag@StableG.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag@StableG.com</a>](<a href="mailto:zigzag@stableg.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">zigzag@stableg.com</a>).</strong></p><p>**Also, our email newsletter is a must read. **<a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up</a> for a bi-weekly letter from Manoush with links to her favorite articles and podcasts, a look behind-the-scenes at Stable Genius Productions, and upcoming events. (For example, our guest Jackie Fenn wrote <a href="https://www.indiebound.org/book/9780998775906?aff=kirkus_reviews" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a novel</a> about a programmer whose algorithm goes rogue!)</p><p><strong>Who You’ll Hear</strong>: (@jackiefenn) Jackie Fenn, Senior Analyst at Gartner,  (@manoushz) Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>You may *feel *like a special snowflake, but even our best ideas usually take a predictable path: they'll pass through the 5 Phases of the Hype Cycle. Tech analyst <a href="https://www.gartner.com/analyst/6543/Jackie-Fenn" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jackie Fenn</a> created this iconic graph (see below) 25 years ago, and it's been used to track innovations (yes, like blockchain) ever since. But the Hype Cycle isn't just for tech: understanding it can help you decide when to press ahead with a job, relationship, or New Year's resolution... or cut your losses and move on.</p><p><strong>All this season, we're exploring the lifecycle of ideas, including a visit to a town by the Canadian border where one of the biggest Bitcoin mining operations in the world is ramping up, and some claim crypto can save a community in financial ruin.</strong></p><p><strong>Tell us what's going on in your life and where YOU are on the Hype Cycle right now: record a voice memo and send it to [<a href="mailto:ZigZag@StableG.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag@StableG.com</a>](<a href="mailto:zigzag@stableg.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">zigzag@stableg.com</a>).</strong></p><p>**Also, our email newsletter is a must read. **<a href="https://zigzagpod.us16.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sign up</a> for a bi-weekly letter from Manoush with links to her favorite articles and podcasts, a look behind-the-scenes at Stable Genius Productions, and upcoming events. (For example, our guest Jackie Fenn wrote <a href="https://www.indiebound.org/book/9780998775906?aff=kirkus_reviews" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a novel</a> about a programmer whose algorithm goes rogue!)</p><p><strong>Who You’ll Hear</strong>: (@jackiefenn) Jackie Fenn, Senior Analyst at Gartner,  (@manoushz) Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S2 EP12: Lessons Learned from a Risky Crypto Experiment</title>
			<itunes:title>S2 EP12: Lessons Learned from a Risky Crypto Experiment</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2018 06:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Manoush and Jen wrap up season 2 of Zigzag by admitting their highs and lows, their zigs and their zags.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>12</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The co-founders of Stable Genius Productions have a candid conversation about their current financial situation (hint: their grant is running out soon), the highs/lows of making this season of the podcast (another hint: they had a fallout over email), and Civil's plans to resurrect itself in 2019 (final hint: the token lives on).</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong> <br>Blockchain has not yet added value to international development projects, <a href="http://merltech.org/blockchain-for-international-development-using-a-learning-agenda-to-address-knowledge-gaps/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">USAID finds</a>. After mindfulness, tech takes on information overload, Manoush's forecast for <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2018/12/tech-will-do-for-information-overload-what-it-did-for-mindfulness/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Neiman Lab</a>. <a href="https://www.indiewire.com/gallery/best-podcast-episodes-2018/#!4/zigzag-radiotopia/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Indiewire</a> calls <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2018/10/18/s2-ep2-why-civils-token-sale-failed/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Season 2 Episode 2</a>, one of the best podcast episodes of 2018! <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Radiotopia</a> reaches 25,000 new contributors!</p><p><strong>WHO YOU’LL HEAR:</strong></p><p>@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, producer of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions)</p><p>**MANOUSH'S TOP 10 READS OF 2018:<br>**10. <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/sheryl-sandberg-facebook-empress-befuddling-dinner/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Empress of Facebook: My Befuddling Dinner with Sheryl Sandberg </a>(WIRED)<br>9. <a href="https://www.thecut.com/2018/11/lena-dunham-comes-to-terms-with-herself.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lena Dunham Comes to Terms with Herself </a>(The Cut)<br>8. <a href="https://www.gatesnotes.com/Books/21-Lessons" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">A Guide to Worrying in the 21st Century</a> (Bill Gates)<br>7. <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/barcelonas-experiment-in-radical-democracy" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Barcelona's Experiment in Radical Democracy</a> (New Yorker)<br>6. <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffkauflin/2018/12/05/cryptopia-in-crisis-billionaire-joe-lubins-ethereum-experiment-is-a-mess-how-long-will-he-prop-it-up/#50a9e77a2f0a" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Cryptopia in Crisis: Joe Lubin's Ethereum is a Mess </a>(Forbes) <br>5. <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/05/opinion/the-gift-of-menopause.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Gift of Menopause</a> (NYTimes) -**TIE- **<a href="https://popula.com/2018/10/07/chubby-arms/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jennalee</a> (Popula)<br>4. <a href="https://www.thecut.com/2018/12/stella-bugbee-editors-letter-december-2018.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Devastating Illusion of Control</a> (The Cut)<br>3. <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/nov/13/the-plastic-backlash-whats-behind-our-sudden-rage-and-will-it-make-a-difference" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Plastic Backlash: What's Behind Our Sudden Rage- and Will It Make a Difference?</a> (The Guardian)<br>2. <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/upshot/estranged-america-trump-polarization.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Estranged in America: Both Sides Feel Left Out</a> (NYTimes)<br>1. <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/22/the-prophets-of-cryptocurrency-survey-the-boom-and-bust" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Prophets of Cryptocurrency Survey the Boom and Bust </a>(New Yorker)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>The co-founders of Stable Genius Productions have a candid conversation about their current financial situation (hint: their grant is running out soon), the highs/lows of making this season of the podcast (another hint: they had a fallout over email), and Civil's plans to resurrect itself in 2019 (final hint: the token lives on).</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong> <br>Blockchain has not yet added value to international development projects, <a href="http://merltech.org/blockchain-for-international-development-using-a-learning-agenda-to-address-knowledge-gaps/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">USAID finds</a>. After mindfulness, tech takes on information overload, Manoush's forecast for <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2018/12/tech-will-do-for-information-overload-what-it-did-for-mindfulness/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Neiman Lab</a>. <a href="https://www.indiewire.com/gallery/best-podcast-episodes-2018/#!4/zigzag-radiotopia/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Indiewire</a> calls <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2018/10/18/s2-ep2-why-civils-token-sale-failed/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Season 2 Episode 2</a>, one of the best podcast episodes of 2018! <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Radiotopia</a> reaches 25,000 new contributors!</p><p><strong>WHO YOU’LL HEAR:</strong></p><p>@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), @jpoyant (Jen Poyant, producer of ZigZag and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions)</p><p>**MANOUSH'S TOP 10 READS OF 2018:<br>**10. <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/sheryl-sandberg-facebook-empress-befuddling-dinner/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Empress of Facebook: My Befuddling Dinner with Sheryl Sandberg </a>(WIRED)<br>9. <a href="https://www.thecut.com/2018/11/lena-dunham-comes-to-terms-with-herself.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lena Dunham Comes to Terms with Herself </a>(The Cut)<br>8. <a href="https://www.gatesnotes.com/Books/21-Lessons" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">A Guide to Worrying in the 21st Century</a> (Bill Gates)<br>7. <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/barcelonas-experiment-in-radical-democracy" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Barcelona's Experiment in Radical Democracy</a> (New Yorker)<br>6. <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffkauflin/2018/12/05/cryptopia-in-crisis-billionaire-joe-lubins-ethereum-experiment-is-a-mess-how-long-will-he-prop-it-up/#50a9e77a2f0a" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Cryptopia in Crisis: Joe Lubin's Ethereum is a Mess </a>(Forbes) <br>5. <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/05/opinion/the-gift-of-menopause.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Gift of Menopause</a> (NYTimes) -**TIE- **<a href="https://popula.com/2018/10/07/chubby-arms/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jennalee</a> (Popula)<br>4. <a href="https://www.thecut.com/2018/12/stella-bugbee-editors-letter-december-2018.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Devastating Illusion of Control</a> (The Cut)<br>3. <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/nov/13/the-plastic-backlash-whats-behind-our-sudden-rage-and-will-it-make-a-difference" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Plastic Backlash: What's Behind Our Sudden Rage- and Will It Make a Difference?</a> (The Guardian)<br>2. <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/upshot/estranged-america-trump-polarization.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Estranged in America: Both Sides Feel Left Out</a> (NYTimes)<br>1. <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/22/the-prophets-of-cryptocurrency-survey-the-boom-and-bust" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Prophets of Cryptocurrency Survey the Boom and Bust </a>(New Yorker)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S2 EP11: If Capitalism and Socialism Had a Baby</title>
			<itunes:title>S2 EP11: If Capitalism and Socialism Had a Baby</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2018 05:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Manoush goes BIG THINK with economist Rufus Pollock on how he'd radically change the way global economies work. Hint: by breaking up the Big Tech monopolies and making information open.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>11</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The richest 1 percent of the world's population now owns more than half of the world's wealth. The calls for breaking up Big Tech companies are growing louder. On this episode, the author of <a href="https://openrevolution.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Open Revolution</a>, <a href="https://rufuspollock.com/about/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rufus Pollock</a>, proposes a solution (think regulation, but on steroids) for wrangling monopolies, sparking innovation, and getting profits into the hands of more people.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>"What the California Wildfires Can Teach Us About Data Sharing," Joi Ito writes in <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/joi-ito-california-wildfires-data-sharing/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Wired</a>. An old monopoly story: the Hush-a-Phone vs AT&amp;T debacle from <a href="https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-battle-over-net-neutrality-started-with-the-1920s-era-hushaphone" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Atlas Obscura</a>. And a new one: Infinite choices, few distributors in the digital economy from <a href="https://concentrationcrisis.openmarketsinstitute.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Open Markets Institute</a>. And the Senate Intelligence Committee's two reports on news manipulation on social media: <a href="https://www.newknowledge.com/disinforeport" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Disinformation Report</a> and <a href="https://comprop.oii.ox.ac.uk/research/ira-political-polarization/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Internet Research Agency and Political Polarization in the US.</a></p><p>Who You’ll Hear:</p><p>@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of @zigzagpod and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), <a href="https://twitter.com/rufuspollock" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@</a>**<a href="https://twitter.com/rufuspollock" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">rufuspollock</a>**‏ (Rufus Pollock, author of The Open Revolution)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>The richest 1 percent of the world's population now owns more than half of the world's wealth. The calls for breaking up Big Tech companies are growing louder. On this episode, the author of <a href="https://openrevolution.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Open Revolution</a>, <a href="https://rufuspollock.com/about/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rufus Pollock</a>, proposes a solution (think regulation, but on steroids) for wrangling monopolies, sparking innovation, and getting profits into the hands of more people.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>"What the California Wildfires Can Teach Us About Data Sharing," Joi Ito writes in <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/joi-ito-california-wildfires-data-sharing/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Wired</a>. An old monopoly story: the Hush-a-Phone vs AT&amp;T debacle from <a href="https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-battle-over-net-neutrality-started-with-the-1920s-era-hushaphone" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Atlas Obscura</a>. And a new one: Infinite choices, few distributors in the digital economy from <a href="https://concentrationcrisis.openmarketsinstitute.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Open Markets Institute</a>. And the Senate Intelligence Committee's two reports on news manipulation on social media: <a href="https://www.newknowledge.com/disinforeport" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Disinformation Report</a> and <a href="https://comprop.oii.ox.ac.uk/research/ira-political-polarization/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Internet Research Agency and Political Polarization in the US.</a></p><p>Who You’ll Hear:</p><p>@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi, host of @zigzagpod and cofounder of Stable Genius Productions), <a href="https://twitter.com/rufuspollock" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@</a>**<a href="https://twitter.com/rufuspollock" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">rufuspollock</a>**‏ (Rufus Pollock, author of The Open Revolution)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S2 EP10: An App for Information Overload?</title>
			<itunes:title>S2 EP10: An App for Information Overload?</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2018 06:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Is it possible to start over and make a healthy news and information app that would be BENEFICIAL for us?</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Journalists-turned-entrepreneurs <a href="https://twitter.com/marklittlenews" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mark Little</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/AineKerr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Áine Kerr</a> believe the experience of getting news online is broken. (And they should know: Mark worked at Twitter and Áine at Facebook.) So, they're building an app called <a href="https://join.kinzen.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kinzen</a> which they hope can reboot our daily news habit by delivering trustworthy journalism <em>without</em> overwhelming us. Afterall, they reason, we have apps to track our sleep, steps, and calories... Why not news consumption? But can there really be an app for that?</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>You can <a href="https://join.kinzen.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sign up</a> to help develop Kinzen. An <a href="https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/catesish/internet-is-getting-small-and-boring-long-live-tumblr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ode to Tumblr</a> after it bans NSFW content. <a href="https://www.appcensus.mobi/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Look up</a> which location data those free Android apps collect from phones (and read the <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/10/business/location-data-privacy-apps.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">New York Times</a> investigation). Blockchain hits the "<a href="https://www.computerworld.com/article/3324359/blockchain/blockchain-what-s-it-good-for-absolutely-nothing-report-finds.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">trough of disillusionment</a>." ConsenSys, the backer of Civil, cuts <a href="https://www.coindesk.com/consensys-confirms-layoffs-projecting-13-of-staff-at-startups-to-be-cut" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">13 percent</a> of its staff. <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffkauflin/2018/12/05/cryptopia-in-crisis-billionaire-joe-lubins-ethereum-experiment-is-a-mess-how-long-will-he-prop-it-up/#19978d8d2f0a" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Forbes</a> asks: will the crypto bear market take down Ethereum? Twitter gives us <a href="https://twitter.com/clarkmoody/status/1069804995262984192" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">crypto Christmas carols</a>.</p><p><strong>WHO YOU’LL HEAR:</strong></p><p>Manoush Zomorodi, cofounder of Stable Genius Productions and host of ZigZag Podcast (@manoushz), Mark Little, cofounder of Kinzen (@marklittlenews) Aine Kerr, cofounder of Kinzen (@AineKerr)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Journalists-turned-entrepreneurs <a href="https://twitter.com/marklittlenews" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mark Little</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/AineKerr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Áine Kerr</a> believe the experience of getting news online is broken. (And they should know: Mark worked at Twitter and Áine at Facebook.) So, they're building an app called <a href="https://join.kinzen.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kinzen</a> which they hope can reboot our daily news habit by delivering trustworthy journalism <em>without</em> overwhelming us. Afterall, they reason, we have apps to track our sleep, steps, and calories... Why not news consumption? But can there really be an app for that?</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>You can <a href="https://join.kinzen.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sign up</a> to help develop Kinzen. An <a href="https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/catesish/internet-is-getting-small-and-boring-long-live-tumblr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ode to Tumblr</a> after it bans NSFW content. <a href="https://www.appcensus.mobi/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Look up</a> which location data those free Android apps collect from phones (and read the <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/10/business/location-data-privacy-apps.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">New York Times</a> investigation). Blockchain hits the "<a href="https://www.computerworld.com/article/3324359/blockchain/blockchain-what-s-it-good-for-absolutely-nothing-report-finds.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">trough of disillusionment</a>." ConsenSys, the backer of Civil, cuts <a href="https://www.coindesk.com/consensys-confirms-layoffs-projecting-13-of-staff-at-startups-to-be-cut" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">13 percent</a> of its staff. <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffkauflin/2018/12/05/cryptopia-in-crisis-billionaire-joe-lubins-ethereum-experiment-is-a-mess-how-long-will-he-prop-it-up/#19978d8d2f0a" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Forbes</a> asks: will the crypto bear market take down Ethereum? Twitter gives us <a href="https://twitter.com/clarkmoody/status/1069804995262984192" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">crypto Christmas carols</a>.</p><p><strong>WHO YOU’LL HEAR:</strong></p><p>Manoush Zomorodi, cofounder of Stable Genius Productions and host of ZigZag Podcast (@manoushz), Mark Little, cofounder of Kinzen (@marklittlenews) Aine Kerr, cofounder of Kinzen (@AineKerr)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S2 BONUS: The Story of ZigZag Through Voice Memos</title>
			<itunes:title>S2 BONUS: The Story of ZigZag Through Voice Memos</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2018 05:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Jen made a weird mini episode to thank all of the people who support Radiotopia and ZigZag. So thanks!</itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>9</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>It's been an extraordinarily weird year. This mini episode compresses Manoush and Jen's story so far into a strange mash-up of voice memos that documents their leap from public radio producers to audio entrepreneurs (who often are very stressed and seem to rarely sleep). Think of it as an audio thank you note for being on this ZigZag ride. We're so glad you're here with us. <br><br>We hope you'll also consider supporting Radiotopia, the podcast collective that helps make ZigZag possible. Go to <a href="https://us.commitchange.com/ma/cambridge/prx-inc/campaigns/radiotopia-fall-campaign-2018?r=j" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">radiotopia.fm</a> where you can choose from an unusual array of donation gifts (including an outing to the Stable Genius' favorite bar).</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>It's been an extraordinarily weird year. This mini episode compresses Manoush and Jen's story so far into a strange mash-up of voice memos that documents their leap from public radio producers to audio entrepreneurs (who often are very stressed and seem to rarely sleep). Think of it as an audio thank you note for being on this ZigZag ride. We're so glad you're here with us. <br><br>We hope you'll also consider supporting Radiotopia, the podcast collective that helps make ZigZag possible. Go to <a href="https://us.commitchange.com/ma/cambridge/prx-inc/campaigns/radiotopia-fall-campaign-2018?r=j" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">radiotopia.fm</a> where you can choose from an unusual array of donation gifts (including an outing to the Stable Genius' favorite bar).</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA[S2 EP9: Julia Angwin's Investigations Haunt Facebook]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA[S2 EP9: Julia Angwin's Investigations Haunt Facebook]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2018 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Manoush talks with Julia Angwin, the cofounder of The MarkUp, the investigative non-profit news organization that's just received $20 million in funding from Craig Newmark]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>9</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://twitter.com/JuliaAngwin" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Julia Angwin</a>, the award-winning reporter whose investigations <a href="https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-enabled-advertisers-to-reach-jew-haters" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">make Facebook sweat</a>, just got $20 million from Craig Newmark (yes, as in <a href="https://newyork.craigslist.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Craig's List</a>) to start her own publication. Hear her vision for <a href="https://themarkup.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The MarkUp</a>, why we need a new kind of watchdog journalism, and how she plans to combine hardcore data analysis with shoe-leather reporting. Plus, the honest lowdown on how Julia beats decision fatigue, as a startup founder and a parent. It's not all black turtlenecks and green smoothies, but it's close.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>Julia Angwin's <a href="https://www.propublica.org/people/julia-angwin" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">investigations</a> for ProPublic. <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/05/mark-zuckerberg-doesnt-understand-journalism/559424/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mark Zuckerberg Doesn’t Understand Journalism</a>. <a href="https://medium.com/s/love-hate/craig-newmarks-new-hit-list-624341007d72" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Looking back</a> at Craig's List. Jessica Lessin left the Wall Street Journal five years ago to found <a href="https://www.theinformation.com/articles/five-years-in-a-letter-to-our-readers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Information</a>. <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/rookie-brought-the-inclusive-spirit-of-zines-to-the-internet-era" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Closing Rookie</a>: hard truths about digital media from teenage entrepreneur Tavi Gevinson.</p><p><strong>Who You’ll Hear:</strong></p><p>@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi) @JuliaAngwin (Investigative journalist and Cofounder of The MarkUp)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://twitter.com/JuliaAngwin" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Julia Angwin</a>, the award-winning reporter whose investigations <a href="https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-enabled-advertisers-to-reach-jew-haters" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">make Facebook sweat</a>, just got $20 million from Craig Newmark (yes, as in <a href="https://newyork.craigslist.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Craig's List</a>) to start her own publication. Hear her vision for <a href="https://themarkup.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The MarkUp</a>, why we need a new kind of watchdog journalism, and how she plans to combine hardcore data analysis with shoe-leather reporting. Plus, the honest lowdown on how Julia beats decision fatigue, as a startup founder and a parent. It's not all black turtlenecks and green smoothies, but it's close.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>Julia Angwin's <a href="https://www.propublica.org/people/julia-angwin" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">investigations</a> for ProPublic. <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/05/mark-zuckerberg-doesnt-understand-journalism/559424/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mark Zuckerberg Doesn’t Understand Journalism</a>. <a href="https://medium.com/s/love-hate/craig-newmarks-new-hit-list-624341007d72" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Looking back</a> at Craig's List. Jessica Lessin left the Wall Street Journal five years ago to found <a href="https://www.theinformation.com/articles/five-years-in-a-letter-to-our-readers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Information</a>. <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/rookie-brought-the-inclusive-spirit-of-zines-to-the-internet-era" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Closing Rookie</a>: hard truths about digital media from teenage entrepreneur Tavi Gevinson.</p><p><strong>Who You’ll Hear:</strong></p><p>@manoushz (Manoush Zomorodi) @JuliaAngwin (Investigative journalist and Cofounder of The MarkUp)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S2 EP8: The Women Who Make CRIMINAL</title>
			<itunes:title>S2 EP8: The Women Who Make CRIMINAL</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2018 05:00:04 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>The Stable Geniuses (Manoush and Jen) talk with the women behind the hit Radiotopia podcast Criminal.  Hear a frank conversation about podcasting, business ownership and creative partnerships.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>8</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://thisiscriminal.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CRIMINAL</a> was a mega-hit long before the genre of true-crime took off in podcasting. On this episode, Manoush and Jen talk to the show's co-creators, <a href="https://twitter.com/PhoebeVJudge" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Phoebe Judge</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/laurenspohrer" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lauren Spohrer</a>, about quitting their stable public radio jobs to start a company (sound familiar?), managing each other's quirks, and saying 'no' to the many business opportunities that come their way. This duo has great advice for anyone trying to manage a partnership, balance creativity with bill paying, or just stay to one's weirdo self.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong></p><p><br>A <a href="https://metro.co.uk/2018/09/13/true-crime-podcasts-arent-solving-miscarriages-of-justice-its-more-complicated-than-that-7938437/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">deep dive</a> into the messy relationship between true crime podcasts and justice. How Phoebe and Lauren get it done from Raleigh's <a href="https://www.newsobserver.com/entertainment/arts-culture/article159872709.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The New &amp; Observer</a>. The <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/11/19/how-podcasts-became-a-seductive-and-sometimes-slippery-mode-of-storytelling" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">New Yorker</a> article on the new golden age of podcast storytelling. Guy Raz's mega-entrepreneur podcast in the <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/23/business/guy-raz-how-i-built-this.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">New York Times</a>. <a href="https://agency.reuters.com/en/insights/industryreports/future-of-voice-implications-for-news.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Future of Voice and the Implications for News</a> from Reuters. It's a <a href="https://www.poynter.org/news/crowded-field-some-media-companies-sour-podcasts" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">bear market</a> for some podcast shops. More acronyms: PRX (of which Radiotopia is a branch) <a href="https://current.org/2018/08/pri-prx-merge-to-form-new-organization/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">merges</a> with PRI (think The World). Help someone discover the joy of listening by sharing Gretchen Rubin's free <a href="http://giftofpodcast.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Gift of Podcast</a> instructions. Btw, the SEC has a <a href="https://www.sec.gov/ICO" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">new guide</a> to ICOs. And <a href="http://fortune.com/2018/11/23/cryptocurrency-crash-2018-bitcoin-price/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Crypto</a> is crashing.</p><p>Who You’ll Hear:</p><p>Manoush Zomorodi (@Manoushz), Jen Poyant (@jpoyant), Phoebe Judge co-creator and host of Criminal (@PhoebeVJudge), Lauren Spohrer cocreator of Criminal (@laurenspohrer)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://thisiscriminal.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CRIMINAL</a> was a mega-hit long before the genre of true-crime took off in podcasting. On this episode, Manoush and Jen talk to the show's co-creators, <a href="https://twitter.com/PhoebeVJudge" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Phoebe Judge</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/laurenspohrer" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lauren Spohrer</a>, about quitting their stable public radio jobs to start a company (sound familiar?), managing each other's quirks, and saying 'no' to the many business opportunities that come their way. This duo has great advice for anyone trying to manage a partnership, balance creativity with bill paying, or just stay to one's weirdo self.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong></p><p><br>A <a href="https://metro.co.uk/2018/09/13/true-crime-podcasts-arent-solving-miscarriages-of-justice-its-more-complicated-than-that-7938437/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">deep dive</a> into the messy relationship between true crime podcasts and justice. How Phoebe and Lauren get it done from Raleigh's <a href="https://www.newsobserver.com/entertainment/arts-culture/article159872709.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The New &amp; Observer</a>. The <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/11/19/how-podcasts-became-a-seductive-and-sometimes-slippery-mode-of-storytelling" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">New Yorker</a> article on the new golden age of podcast storytelling. Guy Raz's mega-entrepreneur podcast in the <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/23/business/guy-raz-how-i-built-this.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">New York Times</a>. <a href="https://agency.reuters.com/en/insights/industryreports/future-of-voice-implications-for-news.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Future of Voice and the Implications for News</a> from Reuters. It's a <a href="https://www.poynter.org/news/crowded-field-some-media-companies-sour-podcasts" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">bear market</a> for some podcast shops. More acronyms: PRX (of which Radiotopia is a branch) <a href="https://current.org/2018/08/pri-prx-merge-to-form-new-organization/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">merges</a> with PRI (think The World). Help someone discover the joy of listening by sharing Gretchen Rubin's free <a href="http://giftofpodcast.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Gift of Podcast</a> instructions. Btw, the SEC has a <a href="https://www.sec.gov/ICO" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">new guide</a> to ICOs. And <a href="http://fortune.com/2018/11/23/cryptocurrency-crash-2018-bitcoin-price/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Crypto</a> is crashing.</p><p>Who You’ll Hear:</p><p>Manoush Zomorodi (@Manoushz), Jen Poyant (@jpoyant), Phoebe Judge co-creator and host of Criminal (@PhoebeVJudge), Lauren Spohrer cocreator of Criminal (@laurenspohrer)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S2 EP7: Forget Inbox Zero</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2018 05:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this season of giving thanks, we are grateful for the technology that keeps on giving: email. And we thank all the ZigZag listeners who've sent voice memos, encouragement, love and constructive criticism via email.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>7</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>This week, we explain how the ZigZag inbox works and Manoush answers two very special letters: one from a listener with an unusual financial frustration and another who has an existential entrepreneurial query. Because in the daily cacophony of signals, email sometimes shines through as a place to get the news and information we want from people and sources we trust.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>A study about <a href="https://www.slideshare.net/adobe/2018-adobe-consumer-email-survey" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">our email habits</a> finds half of us achieve in-box zero. The SEC says <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2018/11/19/today-in-brighter-crypto-news-sec-says-tokens-are-securities/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tokens are securities</a> (we think). That unnerving New York Times expose about <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/technology/facebook-data-russia-election-racism.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">how Facebook handles crises</a>. <a href="https://www.gq.com/story/how-and-why-you-should-be-bored" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Manoush was in GQ</a> talking about the importance of boredom. How about a <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/infowars-alex-jones-voldemort-platform-attention-gaming/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Fair Credit Reporting Act</a> to make platforms more accountable? The BBC's look at how (and why) people in India, Kenya, and Nigeria <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/world-46146877" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">interact with fake news</a>. Another journalism experiment with a radical membership engagement model: <a href="https://thecorrespondent.com/#why" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Correspondent</a>.</p><p>Who You’ll Hear:</p><p>Manoush Zomorodi @manoushz and ZigZag listeners!</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>This week, we explain how the ZigZag inbox works and Manoush answers two very special letters: one from a listener with an unusual financial frustration and another who has an existential entrepreneurial query. Because in the daily cacophony of signals, email sometimes shines through as a place to get the news and information we want from people and sources we trust.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>A study about <a href="https://www.slideshare.net/adobe/2018-adobe-consumer-email-survey" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">our email habits</a> finds half of us achieve in-box zero. The SEC says <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2018/11/19/today-in-brighter-crypto-news-sec-says-tokens-are-securities/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tokens are securities</a> (we think). That unnerving New York Times expose about <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/technology/facebook-data-russia-election-racism.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">how Facebook handles crises</a>. <a href="https://www.gq.com/story/how-and-why-you-should-be-bored" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Manoush was in GQ</a> talking about the importance of boredom. How about a <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/infowars-alex-jones-voldemort-platform-attention-gaming/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Fair Credit Reporting Act</a> to make platforms more accountable? The BBC's look at how (and why) people in India, Kenya, and Nigeria <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/world-46146877" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">interact with fake news</a>. Another journalism experiment with a radical membership engagement model: <a href="https://thecorrespondent.com/#why" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Correspondent</a>.</p><p>Who You’ll Hear:</p><p>Manoush Zomorodi @manoushz and ZigZag listeners!</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S2 EP6: A Secret #MeToo Weapon</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2018 05:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>What happened when the MeToo movement met Blockchain in China</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Can you scrub the truth from the web? Or will people always find a workaround? An extraordinary tale this week about the intersection of new tech, personal stories, human rights, and repressive regimes. Plus, producer <a href="https://twitter.com/tkbeaty?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Thalia Beaty</a> explains how governments around the world use digital tools to censor and surveil journalists and their citizens.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>New Yorker writer <a href="https://twitter.com/JiayangFan" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jiayang Fan's</a> article, <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/chinas-me-too-moment" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">China's #MeToo Moment</a>.</p><p>The testimony nestled in an Ethereum <a href="https://etherscan.io/tx/0x2d6a7b0f6adeff38423d4c62cd8b6ccb708ddad85da5d3d06756ad4d8a04a6a2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">transaction</a>. How Civil plans to repurpose the Chinese <a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/uncensored-content-on-ethereum-how-chinese-activists-inspired-civil-f09f095a9e91" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">blockchain hack as an archiving solution</a>. <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/22/18008640/china-blockchain-registration-government-id" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">No more anonymity</a> for blockchain in China? Producer Thalia Beaty explains her <a href="https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/when-violence-isnt-news-enough" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">reporting on Syria</a> for Storyful. <a href="https://citizenlab.ca/2018/08/cant-picture-this-an-analysis-of-image-filtering-on-wechat-moments/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Citizen Lab</a> shows how images get censored on WeChat. <a href="https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-net/freedom-net-2018/rise-digital-authoritarianism" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">India</a> cut the internet the most times of any country last year. Why Russia has <a href="https://www.wired.co.uk/article/telegram-in-russia-blocked-web-app-ban-facebook-twitter-google" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">struggled</a> to block access to  Telegram. Will Google offer <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-11-08/google-never-stopped-trying-to-go-to-china" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">censored search</a> in China?</p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **</p><p>Manoush Zomorodi (@manoushz) Jiayang Fan Staff Writer at The New Yorker (@JiayangFan) Thalia Beaty journalist (@tkbeaty)</p><p><strong>CREDITS:</strong><br>Thalia Beaty, Producer<br>David Herman, Audio Engineer and Composer<br>Dan Dzula, Audio Engineer</p><p><em>ZigZag comes from <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2018/08/23/chapter-12-enter-the-mesh/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a>,</em> in* partnership with Civil. We are proud members of <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Radiotopia</a>, from PRX.* <br><br><strong>Keep the podcast going with your <a href="http://zigzagpod.com/donate" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">donation</a>. And thank you!</strong></p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Can you scrub the truth from the web? Or will people always find a workaround? An extraordinary tale this week about the intersection of new tech, personal stories, human rights, and repressive regimes. Plus, producer <a href="https://twitter.com/tkbeaty?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Thalia Beaty</a> explains how governments around the world use digital tools to censor and surveil journalists and their citizens.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>New Yorker writer <a href="https://twitter.com/JiayangFan" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jiayang Fan's</a> article, <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/chinas-me-too-moment" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">China's #MeToo Moment</a>.</p><p>The testimony nestled in an Ethereum <a href="https://etherscan.io/tx/0x2d6a7b0f6adeff38423d4c62cd8b6ccb708ddad85da5d3d06756ad4d8a04a6a2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">transaction</a>. How Civil plans to repurpose the Chinese <a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/uncensored-content-on-ethereum-how-chinese-activists-inspired-civil-f09f095a9e91" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">blockchain hack as an archiving solution</a>. <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/22/18008640/china-blockchain-registration-government-id" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">No more anonymity</a> for blockchain in China? Producer Thalia Beaty explains her <a href="https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/when-violence-isnt-news-enough" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">reporting on Syria</a> for Storyful. <a href="https://citizenlab.ca/2018/08/cant-picture-this-an-analysis-of-image-filtering-on-wechat-moments/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Citizen Lab</a> shows how images get censored on WeChat. <a href="https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-net/freedom-net-2018/rise-digital-authoritarianism" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">India</a> cut the internet the most times of any country last year. Why Russia has <a href="https://www.wired.co.uk/article/telegram-in-russia-blocked-web-app-ban-facebook-twitter-google" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">struggled</a> to block access to  Telegram. Will Google offer <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-11-08/google-never-stopped-trying-to-go-to-china" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">censored search</a> in China?</p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **</p><p>Manoush Zomorodi (@manoushz) Jiayang Fan Staff Writer at The New Yorker (@JiayangFan) Thalia Beaty journalist (@tkbeaty)</p><p><strong>CREDITS:</strong><br>Thalia Beaty, Producer<br>David Herman, Audio Engineer and Composer<br>Dan Dzula, Audio Engineer</p><p><em>ZigZag comes from <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2018/08/23/chapter-12-enter-the-mesh/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a>,</em> in* partnership with Civil. We are proud members of <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Radiotopia</a>, from PRX.* <br><br><strong>Keep the podcast going with your <a href="http://zigzagpod.com/donate" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">donation</a>. And thank you!</strong></p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S2 EP5: Meat World Matters</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2018 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[The urban dictionary defines 'meat world' as the real world, outside the internet. Jen and Manoush explore one specific aspect of meat world and why it matters, especially nowadays.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>5</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=meat+world" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Meat world,</a> real life, 'social infrastucture'...whatever you want to call it, human contact with our neighbors is crucial to mending divided communities, according to sociologist <a href="https://twitter.com/ericklinenberg?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Eric Klinenberg</a>, author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Palaces-People-Infrastructure-Inequality-Polarization/dp/1524761168" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Palaces for the People</a>. On this episode, Eric issues a passionate plea for more investment in libraries, public squares and other places where people can quite literally meet on common ground. Jen does her own reporting about the 'social infrastructure' that she believes kept her community together through natural disaster: the boardwalk at Rockaway Beach.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>Eric Klinenberg's op-ed: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/opinion/sunday/civil-society-library.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">To Restore Civil Society, Start with the Library</a>. <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/07/tech/prop-c-results/index.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Voters approved a tax on San Francisco businesses</a> to help the homeless. Newark wonders if its <a href="http://can%20a%20beaten-down%20downtown%20find%20a%20way%20to%20thrive%20without%20getting%20pummeled%20by%20gentrification/?" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">beat-up downtown can thrive</a> without getting pummeled by gentrification. Is <a href="https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/10/nerd-ate-seattle/573238/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Paul Allen to Seattle</a> what Carnegie was to Pittsburgh? <a href="http://www.susannahray.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">New York City's water communities</a>, as captured by Jen's friend, photographer Susannah Ray. Back online, a <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/nov/05/tim-berners-lee-launches-campaign-to-save-the-web-from-abuse" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">'Magna Carta for the Web'</a> is the only way to save it, says its inventor.</p><p><strong>WHO YOU”LL HEAR:</strong></p><p>Jen Poyant (@jpoyant) Manoush Zomorodi (@manoushz) (Eric Klenenberg (@ericklinenberg)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=meat+world" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Meat world,</a> real life, 'social infrastucture'...whatever you want to call it, human contact with our neighbors is crucial to mending divided communities, according to sociologist <a href="https://twitter.com/ericklinenberg?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Eric Klinenberg</a>, author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Palaces-People-Infrastructure-Inequality-Polarization/dp/1524761168" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Palaces for the People</a>. On this episode, Eric issues a passionate plea for more investment in libraries, public squares and other places where people can quite literally meet on common ground. Jen does her own reporting about the 'social infrastructure' that she believes kept her community together through natural disaster: the boardwalk at Rockaway Beach.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>Eric Klinenberg's op-ed: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/opinion/sunday/civil-society-library.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">To Restore Civil Society, Start with the Library</a>. <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/07/tech/prop-c-results/index.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Voters approved a tax on San Francisco businesses</a> to help the homeless. Newark wonders if its <a href="http://can%20a%20beaten-down%20downtown%20find%20a%20way%20to%20thrive%20without%20getting%20pummeled%20by%20gentrification/?" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">beat-up downtown can thrive</a> without getting pummeled by gentrification. Is <a href="https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/10/nerd-ate-seattle/573238/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Paul Allen to Seattle</a> what Carnegie was to Pittsburgh? <a href="http://www.susannahray.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">New York City's water communities</a>, as captured by Jen's friend, photographer Susannah Ray. Back online, a <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/nov/05/tim-berners-lee-launches-campaign-to-save-the-web-from-abuse" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">'Magna Carta for the Web'</a> is the only way to save it, says its inventor.</p><p><strong>WHO YOU”LL HEAR:</strong></p><p>Jen Poyant (@jpoyant) Manoush Zomorodi (@manoushz) (Eric Klenenberg (@ericklinenberg)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S2 EP4: What IS Fact-Checking?</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2018 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Manoush goes whole hog on role of the fact-checker in journalism today and what fact checking will look like in the future.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:episode>4</itunes:episode>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>This week's episode is focused on a very specialized job in journalism: the Fact-Checker. Our guide is journalism's <a href="https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OG" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">OG</a> of information verification, Pulitzer Prize winner <a href="https://twitter.com/BillAdairDuke?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bill Adair</a>. He explains the origins, methodology, and challenges of fact-checking in a "post-truth" world. Plus, how journalists are partnering with technologists to build tools that they hope can make the very word "fact" less politically charged.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>Post-truth politics and why <a href="https://theconversation.com/post-truth-politics-and-why-the-antidote-isnt-simply-fact-checking-and-truth-87364" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the antidote isn't just fact-checking</a>. <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/27/18029490/cesar-sayoc-mail-bombs-twitter-instagram-misinformation" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Platforms driving users</a> to misinformation. There's such a thing as <a href="https://www.poynter.org/news/khashoggi-misinformation-highlights-growing-number-fake-fact-checkers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fake fact-checkers</a>. <a href="https://www.cjr.org/innovations/brazil-election-comprova-fact-checking.php" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Fact-checkers going OT</a> in Brazil. Google is working on <a href="https://www.poynter.org/news/google-building-search-engine-fact-checks" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a fact-checking search engine</a>. Fact-checking is <a href="https://observer.com/2018/10/fact-checking-associated-press-daniel-radcliffe-lifespan-of-a-fact/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on Broadway</a>. How Facebook is <a href="https://www.poynter.org/news/facebook-now-downranking-stories-false-headlines" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">downplaying false headlines</a>. Why this journalist fell for this <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/10/18/i-fell-facebook-fake-news-heres-why-millions-you-did-too/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fake video</a>.</p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **</p><p>Manoush Zomorodi (@manoush) Bill Adair @BillAdairDuke</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>This week's episode is focused on a very specialized job in journalism: the Fact-Checker. Our guide is journalism's <a href="https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OG" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">OG</a> of information verification, Pulitzer Prize winner <a href="https://twitter.com/BillAdairDuke?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bill Adair</a>. He explains the origins, methodology, and challenges of fact-checking in a "post-truth" world. Plus, how journalists are partnering with technologists to build tools that they hope can make the very word "fact" less politically charged.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>Post-truth politics and why <a href="https://theconversation.com/post-truth-politics-and-why-the-antidote-isnt-simply-fact-checking-and-truth-87364" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the antidote isn't just fact-checking</a>. <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/27/18029490/cesar-sayoc-mail-bombs-twitter-instagram-misinformation" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Platforms driving users</a> to misinformation. There's such a thing as <a href="https://www.poynter.org/news/khashoggi-misinformation-highlights-growing-number-fake-fact-checkers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fake fact-checkers</a>. <a href="https://www.cjr.org/innovations/brazil-election-comprova-fact-checking.php" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Fact-checkers going OT</a> in Brazil. Google is working on <a href="https://www.poynter.org/news/google-building-search-engine-fact-checks" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a fact-checking search engine</a>. Fact-checking is <a href="https://observer.com/2018/10/fact-checking-associated-press-daniel-radcliffe-lifespan-of-a-fact/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">on Broadway</a>. How Facebook is <a href="https://www.poynter.org/news/facebook-now-downranking-stories-false-headlines" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">downplaying false headlines</a>. Why this journalist fell for this <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/10/18/i-fell-facebook-fake-news-heres-why-millions-you-did-too/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fake video</a>.</p><p>**Who You’ll Hear: **</p><p>Manoush Zomorodi (@manoush) Bill Adair @BillAdairDuke</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S2 EP3: Trusting Yourself in Startup-Entrepreneurland</title>
			<itunes:title>S2 EP3: Trusting Yourself in Startup-Entrepreneurland</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2018 03:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Because failure can focus you.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hear from three entrepreneurs (Jen, Manoush, and Civil Media CEO <a href="https://twitter.com/matthewiles?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Matthew Iles</a>) on how each is coping with uncertainty, deciding how to grow, and bouncing back when things go...well, badly, like that token sale you heard about in <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2018/10/18/s2-ep2-why-civils-token-sale-failed/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the previous episode</a>. Because ZigZag listeners are emailing a lot about going through their own entrepreneurial growing pains. And they're grateful for the raw honesty about being a businessperson:</p><p><em>"I appreciate so much that you don't know what you're doing."<br><br>"It's such a daily struggle to figure out how to be sustainable and not sell your soul."<br><br>"Thanks for sharing the stuff that is uncomfortable. Or unpleasant."</em></p><p>**GO DEEPER:<br>**That funny <a href="https://breakermag.com/understanding-civils-failed-token-sale/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker article</a> on Civil's failed token sale. A public radio insider's <a href="https://www.radioworld.com/columns-and-views/community-broadcaster-can-civil-pivot-to-community-media" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">analysis of Civil and community media</a>. The <a href="http://nymag.com/strategist/article/best-productivity-books.html?utm_source=pocket&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=pockethits" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">10 Best Books</a> on productivity? What does <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/what-does-a-fair-algorithm-look-like/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a fair algorithm</a> actually look like? Uber, Google, Facebook: <a href="https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/19/uber-google-facebook-experiments-gone-wrong/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Your experiments have gone too far</a>.</p><p>Who You’ll Hear: Manoush Zomorodi (@manoushz) Jen Poyant (@jpoyant) Matthew Iles @matthewiles</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Hear from three entrepreneurs (Jen, Manoush, and Civil Media CEO <a href="https://twitter.com/matthewiles?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Matthew Iles</a>) on how each is coping with uncertainty, deciding how to grow, and bouncing back when things go...well, badly, like that token sale you heard about in <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2018/10/18/s2-ep2-why-civils-token-sale-failed/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the previous episode</a>. Because ZigZag listeners are emailing a lot about going through their own entrepreneurial growing pains. And they're grateful for the raw honesty about being a businessperson:</p><p><em>"I appreciate so much that you don't know what you're doing."<br><br>"It's such a daily struggle to figure out how to be sustainable and not sell your soul."<br><br>"Thanks for sharing the stuff that is uncomfortable. Or unpleasant."</em></p><p>**GO DEEPER:<br>**That funny <a href="https://breakermag.com/understanding-civils-failed-token-sale/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker article</a> on Civil's failed token sale. A public radio insider's <a href="https://www.radioworld.com/columns-and-views/community-broadcaster-can-civil-pivot-to-community-media" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">analysis of Civil and community media</a>. The <a href="http://nymag.com/strategist/article/best-productivity-books.html?utm_source=pocket&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=pockethits" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">10 Best Books</a> on productivity? What does <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/what-does-a-fair-algorithm-look-like/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a fair algorithm</a> actually look like? Uber, Google, Facebook: <a href="https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/19/uber-google-facebook-experiments-gone-wrong/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Your experiments have gone too far</a>.</p><p>Who You’ll Hear: Manoush Zomorodi (@manoushz) Jen Poyant (@jpoyant) Matthew Iles @matthewiles</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA[S2 EP2: Why Civil's Token Sale Failed]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA[S2 EP2: Why Civil's Token Sale Failed]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2018 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Civil founder and CEO Matthew Iles acknowledges the mistakes there.  Manoush and Jen continue to examine the sources of misinformation that are slowly flowing into our society and affecting our democracy, via Twitter.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Civil couldn't convince enough people that blockchain and crypto-economics were the answer to journalism’s problems. It didn't even come close to its $8m goal. But, #failure is common in the tech world. And so are <a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/whats-next-for-civil-66f2737f5c31" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">pivots</a>. On this episode, Civil Media CEO <a href="https://twitter.com/matthewiles?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Matthew Iles</a> acknowledges the screw-ups and explains why the company is still solvent. Plus, the second half of our Twitter and 'misinformation' explainer with research from the <a href="https://medium.com/trust-media-and-democracy/seven-ways-misinformation-spread-during-the-2016-election-a45e8c393e14" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Knight Foundation</a>. Can you, lawmakers, or Twitter do anything to stop the falsehoods from flowing? Yes, actually.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>The Knight Foundation's report on <a href="https://www.knightfoundation.org/features/misinfo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Misinformation and Twitter</a> includes unusual and beautiful mapping of tweets. Twitter plans to <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/25/17900620/twitter-dehumanizing-speech-policy-comment-period-ban" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ban 'dehumanizing speech'</a> and <a href="https://blog.twitter.com/official/en_us/topics/company/2018/measuring_healthy_conversation.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">measure 'conversational health'</a>. <a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/whats-next-for-civil-66f2737f5c31" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil's mea culpa</a> and <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2018/10/civils-token-sale-has-failed-now-what-refunds-for-one-thing/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Nieman Lab's analysis</a> of the token-sale failure. In his TED talk, sociologist Duncan Watts explains why <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9XF0QOzWM0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">common sense doesn't apply</a> in the digital world. <a href="https://civichall.org/civicist/civic-tech-graveyard/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Learning from the Civic Tech graveyard</a>. <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/22/the-prophets-of-cryptocurrency-survey-the-boom-and-bust" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The New Yorker's excellent feature</a> on the weird world of crypto.</p><p><strong>Who You’ll Hear:</strong></p><p>Manoush Zomorodi (@manoushz) Jen Poyant (@jpoyant) Vlad Barash Matthew Iles (@matthewiles)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Civil couldn't convince enough people that blockchain and crypto-economics were the answer to journalism’s problems. It didn't even come close to its $8m goal. But, #failure is common in the tech world. And so are <a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/whats-next-for-civil-66f2737f5c31" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">pivots</a>. On this episode, Civil Media CEO <a href="https://twitter.com/matthewiles?lang=en" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Matthew Iles</a> acknowledges the screw-ups and explains why the company is still solvent. Plus, the second half of our Twitter and 'misinformation' explainer with research from the <a href="https://medium.com/trust-media-and-democracy/seven-ways-misinformation-spread-during-the-2016-election-a45e8c393e14" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Knight Foundation</a>. Can you, lawmakers, or Twitter do anything to stop the falsehoods from flowing? Yes, actually.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>The Knight Foundation's report on <a href="https://www.knightfoundation.org/features/misinfo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Misinformation and Twitter</a> includes unusual and beautiful mapping of tweets. Twitter plans to <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/25/17900620/twitter-dehumanizing-speech-policy-comment-period-ban" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ban 'dehumanizing speech'</a> and <a href="https://blog.twitter.com/official/en_us/topics/company/2018/measuring_healthy_conversation.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">measure 'conversational health'</a>. <a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/whats-next-for-civil-66f2737f5c31" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil's mea culpa</a> and <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2018/10/civils-token-sale-has-failed-now-what-refunds-for-one-thing/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Nieman Lab's analysis</a> of the token-sale failure. In his TED talk, sociologist Duncan Watts explains why <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9XF0QOzWM0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">common sense doesn't apply</a> in the digital world. <a href="https://civichall.org/civicist/civic-tech-graveyard/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Learning from the Civic Tech graveyard</a>. <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/22/the-prophets-of-cryptocurrency-survey-the-boom-and-bust" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The New Yorker's excellent feature</a> on the weird world of crypto.</p><p><strong>Who You’ll Hear:</strong></p><p>Manoush Zomorodi (@manoushz) Jen Poyant (@jpoyant) Vlad Barash Matthew Iles (@matthewiles)</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>S2 EP1: How Misinformation Spreads</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2018 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Season Two of ZigZag tackles Trust and Information on multiple levels: from co-founders, to new technology, and beyond.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Manoush and Jen kick off the season with surprising new research from the <a href="https://medium.com/trust-media-and-democracy/seven-ways-misinformation-spread-during-the-2016-election-a45e8c393e14" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Knight Foundation</a> into how false information spreads on Twitter and its effect on society. They also have news about <a href="https://civil.co/cvl/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil</a>, the blockchain startup for journalism, which is struggling to sell $8m worth of its cryptocurrency. With only days left in the token sale, techie journalist (and former WNYC colleague) <a href="http://johnkeefe.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">John Keefe </a>joins the duo to share his experience buying CVL tokens and where he thinks the startup went wrong.</p><p>**GO DEEPER:<br>**The Knight Foundation’s report <a href="https://medium.com/trust-media-and-democracy/seven-ways-misinformation-spread-during-the-2016-election-a45e8c393e14" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Disinformation, ‘Fake News,’ and Influence Campaigns on Twitter</a>. Here are the Civil t<a href="https://tokenfoundry.com/projects/civil" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">oken sale stats</a>. <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbespr/2018/10/09/forbes-becomes-first-major-media-brand-to-experiment-with-publishing-on-civil-platform/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Forbes </a>announced it will publish on Civil. Coincidentally (no, really) <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/geristengel/2018/10/10/is-blockchain-the-future-of-journalism-two-entrepreneurs-take-a-chance/#6fecb12e769d" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jen and Manoush were profiled </a>in Forbes. John Keefe went through <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2018/09/how-to-buy-into-journalisms-blockchain-future-in-only-44-steps/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">44 steps to buy CVL </a>tokens. The links between <a href="https://knightfoundation.org/topics/trust-media-and-democracy" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">trust, media, and democracy</a>. Can<a href="https://thetrustproject.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Trust Project </a>standardize a seal of ethical journalism?</p><p>Who You’ll Hear: Manoush Zomorodi (@manoushz) Jen Poyant (@jpoyant) Matt Hindman (@Matt Hindman)  Sam Gill (@thesamgill) Vladimir Barash (@vlad43210) John Keefe @jkeefe</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Manoush and Jen kick off the season with surprising new research from the <a href="https://medium.com/trust-media-and-democracy/seven-ways-misinformation-spread-during-the-2016-election-a45e8c393e14" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Knight Foundation</a> into how false information spreads on Twitter and its effect on society. They also have news about <a href="https://civil.co/cvl/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil</a>, the blockchain startup for journalism, which is struggling to sell $8m worth of its cryptocurrency. With only days left in the token sale, techie journalist (and former WNYC colleague) <a href="http://johnkeefe.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">John Keefe </a>joins the duo to share his experience buying CVL tokens and where he thinks the startup went wrong.</p><p>**GO DEEPER:<br>**The Knight Foundation’s report <a href="https://medium.com/trust-media-and-democracy/seven-ways-misinformation-spread-during-the-2016-election-a45e8c393e14" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Disinformation, ‘Fake News,’ and Influence Campaigns on Twitter</a>. Here are the Civil t<a href="https://tokenfoundry.com/projects/civil" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">oken sale stats</a>. <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbespr/2018/10/09/forbes-becomes-first-major-media-brand-to-experiment-with-publishing-on-civil-platform/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Forbes </a>announced it will publish on Civil. Coincidentally (no, really) <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/geristengel/2018/10/10/is-blockchain-the-future-of-journalism-two-entrepreneurs-take-a-chance/#6fecb12e769d" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jen and Manoush were profiled </a>in Forbes. John Keefe went through <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2018/09/how-to-buy-into-journalisms-blockchain-future-in-only-44-steps/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">44 steps to buy CVL </a>tokens. The links between <a href="https://knightfoundation.org/topics/trust-media-and-democracy" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">trust, media, and democracy</a>. Can<a href="https://thetrustproject.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Trust Project </a>standardize a seal of ethical journalism?</p><p>Who You’ll Hear: Manoush Zomorodi (@manoushz) Jen Poyant (@jpoyant) Matt Hindman (@Matt Hindman)  Sam Gill (@thesamgill) Vladimir Barash (@vlad43210) John Keefe @jkeefe</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Announcing Season Two of ZigZag</title>
			<itunes:title>Announcing Season Two of ZigZag</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2018 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<strong>ZigZag is BACK on October 11 for Season Two. </strong>The theme is Trust + Information. Listen to the trailer to hear what Jen and Manoush have planned...and <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/subscribe-to-the-podcast/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">click here</a> to learn how to get the podcast delivered to you every Thursday. *<em>Never heard ZigZag? *</em>Give Episodes <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2018/06/13/zigzag-episode-1/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">One </a>and <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2018/06/14/episode-2/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Two </a>of Season One a try. You'll get to know <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/about/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jen </a>and <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/about/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Manoush</a> and finally understand what blockchain technology is. Still not convinced? Read <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/about/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">what the press and listeners</a> have to say about the show.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<strong>ZigZag is BACK on October 11 for Season Two. </strong>The theme is Trust + Information. Listen to the trailer to hear what Jen and Manoush have planned...and <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/subscribe-to-the-podcast/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">click here</a> to learn how to get the podcast delivered to you every Thursday. *<em>Never heard ZigZag? *</em>Give Episodes <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2018/06/13/zigzag-episode-1/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">One </a>and <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2018/06/14/episode-2/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Two </a>of Season One a try. You'll get to know <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/about/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jen </a>and <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/about/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Manoush</a> and finally understand what blockchain technology is. Still not convinced? Read <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/about/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">what the press and listeners</a> have to say about the show.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>The Civil Token Sale is Live</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2018 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Manoush and Jen go behind-the-scenes of the Civil token sale. And they get #meta about being journalists, who cover weird journalism experiments, and then get press about it.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Manoush and Jen explain the latest news on Civil’s token sale. They also admit why they're a little uneasy about some recent press coverage of their endeavors, and try to make sense of one man’s failed attempt at #MeToo redemption.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush and Jen (@manoushz) (@jpoyant)</p><p><strong>A PROGRAMMING NOTE:</strong><br><a href="https://zigzagpod.com/subscribe-to-the-podcast/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Season Two</a> officially kicks off on Oct 11, 2018.<br>Never heard the show? Start with Season One <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2018/06/13/zigzag-episode-1/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br><a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/the-cvl-token-sale-is-live-6b253bc708bc" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Clarifications</a> on where the money from the sale goes and how the process of buying CVL will get easier. The New York Times <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/16/business/media/blockchain-podcast-manoush-zomorodi-zigzag.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">features ZigZag</a>. PBS Newshour has <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/can-blockchain-help-fill-journalisms-funding-gaps" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a Civil explainer﻿</a> and <a href="https://blog.coinbase.com/the-marriage-between-crypto-and-community-journalism-fa79dda2c3d0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Coinbase interviews Manoush</a> about her hopes for journalism. <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2018/09/how-to-buy-into-journalisms-blockchain-future-in-only-44-steps/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">An honest assessment</a> of the current process for buying CVL from Nieman Lab. Are the days of <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-10/crypto-growth-nears-ceiling-ethereum-co-founder-says?cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-tictoc&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&amp;utm_source=twitter&amp;utm_content=tictoc" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">explosive crypto growth</a> over? #MeToo must-reads from Jia Tolentino at the <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/jian-ghomeshi-john-hockenberry-and-the-laws-of-patriarchal-physics" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">New Yorker</a> and Mike Pesca at <a href="https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/09/john-hockenberry-harpers-essay-heartless.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Slate</a>. Listener <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">donations</a> help keep this podcast going.</p><p><strong>CREDITS:﻿<br>David Herman, Audio Engineer and Composer<br>Tory Williams, Photography</strong></p><p><em>ZigZag comes from <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2018/08/23/chapter-12-enter-the-mesh/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a>, in partnership with Civil. ﻿We are proud members of <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Radiotopia</a>, from PRX.</em></p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Manoush and Jen explain the latest news on Civil’s token sale. They also admit why they're a little uneasy about some recent press coverage of their endeavors, and try to make sense of one man’s failed attempt at #MeToo redemption.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush and Jen (@manoushz) (@jpoyant)</p><p><strong>A PROGRAMMING NOTE:</strong><br><a href="https://zigzagpod.com/subscribe-to-the-podcast/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Season Two</a> officially kicks off on Oct 11, 2018.<br>Never heard the show? Start with Season One <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2018/06/13/zigzag-episode-1/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br><a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/the-cvl-token-sale-is-live-6b253bc708bc" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Clarifications</a> on where the money from the sale goes and how the process of buying CVL will get easier. The New York Times <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/16/business/media/blockchain-podcast-manoush-zomorodi-zigzag.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">features ZigZag</a>. PBS Newshour has <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/can-blockchain-help-fill-journalisms-funding-gaps" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a Civil explainer﻿</a> and <a href="https://blog.coinbase.com/the-marriage-between-crypto-and-community-journalism-fa79dda2c3d0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Coinbase interviews Manoush</a> about her hopes for journalism. <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2018/09/how-to-buy-into-journalisms-blockchain-future-in-only-44-steps/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">An honest assessment</a> of the current process for buying CVL from Nieman Lab. Are the days of <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-10/crypto-growth-nears-ceiling-ethereum-co-founder-says?cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-tictoc&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&amp;utm_source=twitter&amp;utm_content=tictoc" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">explosive crypto growth</a> over? #MeToo must-reads from Jia Tolentino at the <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/jian-ghomeshi-john-hockenberry-and-the-laws-of-patriarchal-physics" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">New Yorker</a> and Mike Pesca at <a href="https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/09/john-hockenberry-harpers-essay-heartless.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Slate</a>. Listener <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">donations</a> help keep this podcast going.</p><p><strong>CREDITS:﻿<br>David Herman, Audio Engineer and Composer<br>Tory Williams, Photography</strong></p><p><em>ZigZag comes from <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2018/08/23/chapter-12-enter-the-mesh/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a>, in partnership with Civil. ﻿We are proud members of <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Radiotopia</a>, from PRX.</em></p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Update: It’s Hard Going Back to School, Work, and Saving Journalism</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2018 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[We took a week off. Jen went to a secret surfing. Manoush went to Iceland. Now it's back to work.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><em>Never heard ZigZag? Start with Season One, Chapter One.<br><br>This is an update episode between Seasons 1 and 2 of ZigZag. <br>On Sept 20, we'll have a special report on the <a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/announcing-the-cvl-token-launch-cb319d34a79" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil token sale</a>.<br>﻿</em>﻿<em>Season Two officially starts on Oct 11, 2018.</em></p><p>This week, Manoush and Jen discuss Civil’s <a href="https://digiday.com/media/associated-press-signs-journalism-blockchain-startup-civil/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">biggest partnership to date</a>, why boredom is more relevant than ever, and address listeners who wish they would stop cursing on their show.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>What <a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/civil-and-the-associated-press-to-collaborate-on-blockchain-based-content-licensing-c7211f5ae7fa" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the Associated Press hopes</a> Civil’s tech will help them achieve. Not only is Manoush’s book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Bored-Brilliant-Spacing-Productive-Creative/dp/1250126657/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=&amp;sr=" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bored and Brilliant</a> out in paperback: a <a href="https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/714681/does-being-bored-bring-out-the-best-in-artists/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">3-year study</a> about boredom is underway. The <a href="https://stocksgazette.com/2018/08/28/basic-attention-token-bat-supported-brave-browser-hits-10-million-downloads/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Basic Attention Token</a> is a blockchain experiment worth watching. Tech testifies about how you get your information. <a href="https://www.elle.com/life-love/a19431418/swearing-double-standard/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Women curse too</a> and that’s a good thing. The badass song in the episode comes from listener <a href="https://twitter.com/tinelinen" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tine Schenck</a>, a Norwegian feminist and musician. The button to <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">donate</a> to Manoush and Jen is still working.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant)</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p>**CREDITS: <br>**David Herman, Audio Engineer and Composer</p><p><strong>ZigZag comes from Stable Genius Productions, in partnership with Civil. We are proud members of Radiotopia, from PRX.</strong></p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p><em>Never heard ZigZag? Start with Season One, Chapter One.<br><br>This is an update episode between Seasons 1 and 2 of ZigZag. <br>On Sept 20, we'll have a special report on the <a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/announcing-the-cvl-token-launch-cb319d34a79" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil token sale</a>.<br>﻿</em>﻿<em>Season Two officially starts on Oct 11, 2018.</em></p><p>This week, Manoush and Jen discuss Civil’s <a href="https://digiday.com/media/associated-press-signs-journalism-blockchain-startup-civil/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">biggest partnership to date</a>, why boredom is more relevant than ever, and address listeners who wish they would stop cursing on their show.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br>What <a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/civil-and-the-associated-press-to-collaborate-on-blockchain-based-content-licensing-c7211f5ae7fa" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the Associated Press hopes</a> Civil’s tech will help them achieve. Not only is Manoush’s book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Bored-Brilliant-Spacing-Productive-Creative/dp/1250126657/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=&amp;sr=" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bored and Brilliant</a> out in paperback: a <a href="https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/714681/does-being-bored-bring-out-the-best-in-artists/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">3-year study</a> about boredom is underway. The <a href="https://stocksgazette.com/2018/08/28/basic-attention-token-bat-supported-brave-browser-hits-10-million-downloads/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Basic Attention Token</a> is a blockchain experiment worth watching. Tech testifies about how you get your information. <a href="https://www.elle.com/life-love/a19431418/swearing-double-standard/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Women curse too</a> and that’s a good thing. The badass song in the episode comes from listener <a href="https://twitter.com/tinelinen" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tine Schenck</a>, a Norwegian feminist and musician. The button to <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">donate</a> to Manoush and Jen is still working.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant)</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p>**CREDITS: <br>**David Herman, Audio Engineer and Composer</p><p><strong>ZigZag comes from Stable Genius Productions, in partnership with Civil. We are proud members of Radiotopia, from PRX.</strong></p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p><br>**If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Chapter 12: Enter the Mesh</title>
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			<itunes:subtitle>The future of corporations, crypto, and this podcast with billionaire blockchain founder, Joe Lubin.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Manoush and Jen wrap up Season One* by interviewing ﻿<a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2018/02/07/joseph-lubin-ethereum-ether-consensys-crypto-cryptocurrency/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Joe Lubin</a>, co-founder of the <a href="https://www.coindesk.com/information/what-is-ethereum/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ethereum</a> blockchain, about his involvement with <a href="https://civil.co/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil</a> and whether the tech is up to the task of supporting a new platform for journalism. They also have honest answers for listeners about where ZigZag and their business, <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a>, go next. Plus, a surprise treat at the end makes this season finale sing. <br><br><em>*ZigZag will be back with updates on the <a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/announcing-the-cvl-token-launch-cb319d34a79" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil token sale</a> on Sept 6 and Sept 20. Season Two officially starts on Oct 11.</em></p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:<br>﻿</strong>﻿<a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-14/ethereum-co-founder-lubin-says-speculators-driving-price-swings" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Joe Lubin</a> believes the most valuable companies of the future will be <a href="https://media.consensys.net/cone-the-future-of-decentralized-organizations-f0f2851de46f" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">decentralized</a> with “flat” leadership. What Ethereum is doing to handle <a href="https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-s-joe-lubin-we-re-moving-into-phase-two-of-eth-blockchain-this-year" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">more transactions</a>. <a href="https://media.consensys.net/40-ethereum-apps-you-can-use-right-now-d643333769f7?__s=pjs8pkfe1psnkp2y8qgm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">40 Ethereum apps</a> you can, allegedly, use right now. But also, <a href="https://www.coindesk.com/scam-or-be-scammed-ponzi-games-are-breaking-out-on-ethereum/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ponzi schemes</a> are breaking out there too. Track how many people have signed up for the Civil token sale <a href="https://tokenfoundry.com/projects/civil" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>. The <a href="https://hackernoon.com/state-of-podcasts-2018-takeaways-from-podcast-movement-on-monetization-diversity-and-discovery-eea7ccd0eed2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">state of podcasts</a> in 2018. “The challenge is not a small one”: analysis of Civil from the <a href="https://www.cjr.org/business_of_news/civil.php" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Columbia Journalism Review </a>and <a href="https://brooklynbased.com/2018/08/15/the-news-is-broken-civil-would-like-to-fix-it-using-blockchain/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Brooklyn Based</a>, <a href="https://breakermag.com/an-early-bitcoin-believers-bet-on-blockchain-journalism/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>, and <a href="https://www.marketplace.org/2018/08/20/tech/make-me-smart-kai-and-molly/78-civil" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Marketplace</a>. The button to <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">donate</a> to Manoush and Jen is finally working.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) Joe Lubin, co-founder of Ethereum and Founder of Consensys (@ethereumJoseph)</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p>**Credits: <br>**David Herman, Audio Engineer and Composer <br>Alice Rutherford, Illustrations</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Manoush and Jen wrap up Season One* by interviewing ﻿<a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2018/02/07/joseph-lubin-ethereum-ether-consensys-crypto-cryptocurrency/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Joe Lubin</a>, co-founder of the <a href="https://www.coindesk.com/information/what-is-ethereum/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ethereum</a> blockchain, about his involvement with <a href="https://civil.co/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil</a> and whether the tech is up to the task of supporting a new platform for journalism. They also have honest answers for listeners about where ZigZag and their business, <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a>, go next. Plus, a surprise treat at the end makes this season finale sing. <br><br><em>*ZigZag will be back with updates on the <a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/announcing-the-cvl-token-launch-cb319d34a79" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil token sale</a> on Sept 6 and Sept 20. Season Two officially starts on Oct 11.</em></p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:<br>﻿</strong>﻿<a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-14/ethereum-co-founder-lubin-says-speculators-driving-price-swings" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Joe Lubin</a> believes the most valuable companies of the future will be <a href="https://media.consensys.net/cone-the-future-of-decentralized-organizations-f0f2851de46f" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">decentralized</a> with “flat” leadership. What Ethereum is doing to handle <a href="https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-s-joe-lubin-we-re-moving-into-phase-two-of-eth-blockchain-this-year" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">more transactions</a>. <a href="https://media.consensys.net/40-ethereum-apps-you-can-use-right-now-d643333769f7?__s=pjs8pkfe1psnkp2y8qgm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">40 Ethereum apps</a> you can, allegedly, use right now. But also, <a href="https://www.coindesk.com/scam-or-be-scammed-ponzi-games-are-breaking-out-on-ethereum/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ponzi schemes</a> are breaking out there too. Track how many people have signed up for the Civil token sale <a href="https://tokenfoundry.com/projects/civil" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>. The <a href="https://hackernoon.com/state-of-podcasts-2018-takeaways-from-podcast-movement-on-monetization-diversity-and-discovery-eea7ccd0eed2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">state of podcasts</a> in 2018. “The challenge is not a small one”: analysis of Civil from the <a href="https://www.cjr.org/business_of_news/civil.php" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Columbia Journalism Review </a>and <a href="https://brooklynbased.com/2018/08/15/the-news-is-broken-civil-would-like-to-fix-it-using-blockchain/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Brooklyn Based</a>, <a href="https://breakermag.com/an-early-bitcoin-believers-bet-on-blockchain-journalism/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Breaker</a>, and <a href="https://www.marketplace.org/2018/08/20/tech/make-me-smart-kai-and-molly/78-civil" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Marketplace</a>. The button to <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">donate</a> to Manoush and Jen is finally working.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) Joe Lubin, co-founder of Ethereum and Founder of Consensys (@ethereumJoseph)</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p>**Credits: <br>**David Herman, Audio Engineer and Composer <br>Alice Rutherford, Illustrations</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Chapter 11: Ten Things You Should Know About Crypto</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2018 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="https://www.cryptokitties.co/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Crypto Kitties</a> to <a href="https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ne74nw/inside-the-world-of-the-bitcoin-carnivores" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bitcoin Carnivores</a>, the world of crypto is like a weird parallel reality, hidden just out of plain sight from most of us. This top ten countdown will grant you powers to see previously-invisible blockchain subcultures and experiments surrounding you...but beware: once spotted, they cannot be unseen. Our field guide is the very knowledgable and deadpan <a href="https://twitter.com/joonian?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Joon Ian Wong</a> of <a href="https://www.coindesk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Coindesk</a>.</p><p>**GO DEEPER:<br>**<a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2018/06/14/episode-2/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag: Chapter 2</a> is Blockchain 101. So much lingo: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVVDsIYJBQ_C7Bh_aI3ZMxQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">magical crypto friends</a>, <a href="https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hodl" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hodl</a> and <a href="https://www.coindesk.com/dont-hodl-buidl-blockchain-tech-will-add-value-2018/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Buidl</a>, <a href="https://cryptocurrencynews.com/what-is-bitcoin-maximalism/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bitcoin Maximalists</a>. South Korea <a href="https://venturebeat.com/2018/07/14/why-south-korea-is-crypto-crazy-and-what-that-means-for-the-rest-of-the-world/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">is crypto crazy</a>. Ethereum’s creator and his concept of <a href="https://www.wired.com/2016/06/the-uncanny-mind-that-built-ethereum/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a “World Computer</a>.” Paul Krugman’s op-ed: <em><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/opinion/transaction-costs-and-tethers-why-im-a-crypto-skeptic.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Why I’m a Crypto Skeptic</a></em>. Why <a href="https://www.npr.org/2018/08/10/637390619/why-trading-venezuela-s-bolivar-for-u-s-dollars-is-dangerous" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Venezuelans want out of the Bolivar</a>. Joon uses <a href="https://www.bitrefill.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bitrefill</a> in Asia. <a href="https://www.axios.com/how-russian-intelligence-officers-used-bitcoin-to-hack-the-dnc-a934ff0c-0beb-4b55-a4a1-054d0bb6be1c.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Russian hackers</a> paid by Bitcoin. <a href="https://qz.com/1054805/what-its-like-working-at-a-sprawling-bitcoin-mine-in-inner-mongolia/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mining warehouses in Mongolia</a>. Blockchain + Brooklyn = <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/13/business/energy-environment/brooklyn-solar-grid-energy-trading.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a solar panel experiment</a>. Fighting back <a href="https://www.wired.co.uk/article/bitcoin-mining-energy-consumption-new-york" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">against Bitcoin energy guzzlers</a>. Will <a href="https://hackernoon.com/a-primer-on-proof-of-stake-and-why-it-matters-for-the-future-of-blockchains-48764373d4b1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">proof-of-stake</a> lower Ethereum’s environmental impact? Jimmy Song thinks <a href="https://medium.com/@jimmysong/the-truth-about-smart-contracts-ae825271811f" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">smart contracts are dumb</a>. <a href="https://strategiccoin.com/chronicles-4/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ethereum's existential crisis</a>.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) Joon Ian Wong (joonian) Managing Director at Coindesk</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="https://www.cryptokitties.co/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Crypto Kitties</a> to <a href="https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ne74nw/inside-the-world-of-the-bitcoin-carnivores" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bitcoin Carnivores</a>, the world of crypto is like a weird parallel reality, hidden just out of plain sight from most of us. This top ten countdown will grant you powers to see previously-invisible blockchain subcultures and experiments surrounding you...but beware: once spotted, they cannot be unseen. Our field guide is the very knowledgable and deadpan <a href="https://twitter.com/joonian?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Joon Ian Wong</a> of <a href="https://www.coindesk.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Coindesk</a>.</p><p>**GO DEEPER:<br>**<a href="https://zigzagpod.com/2018/06/14/episode-2/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag: Chapter 2</a> is Blockchain 101. So much lingo: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVVDsIYJBQ_C7Bh_aI3ZMxQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">magical crypto friends</a>, <a href="https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hodl" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hodl</a> and <a href="https://www.coindesk.com/dont-hodl-buidl-blockchain-tech-will-add-value-2018/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Buidl</a>, <a href="https://cryptocurrencynews.com/what-is-bitcoin-maximalism/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bitcoin Maximalists</a>. South Korea <a href="https://venturebeat.com/2018/07/14/why-south-korea-is-crypto-crazy-and-what-that-means-for-the-rest-of-the-world/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">is crypto crazy</a>. Ethereum’s creator and his concept of <a href="https://www.wired.com/2016/06/the-uncanny-mind-that-built-ethereum/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a “World Computer</a>.” Paul Krugman’s op-ed: <em><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/opinion/transaction-costs-and-tethers-why-im-a-crypto-skeptic.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Why I’m a Crypto Skeptic</a></em>. Why <a href="https://www.npr.org/2018/08/10/637390619/why-trading-venezuela-s-bolivar-for-u-s-dollars-is-dangerous" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Venezuelans want out of the Bolivar</a>. Joon uses <a href="https://www.bitrefill.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bitrefill</a> in Asia. <a href="https://www.axios.com/how-russian-intelligence-officers-used-bitcoin-to-hack-the-dnc-a934ff0c-0beb-4b55-a4a1-054d0bb6be1c.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Russian hackers</a> paid by Bitcoin. <a href="https://qz.com/1054805/what-its-like-working-at-a-sprawling-bitcoin-mine-in-inner-mongolia/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mining warehouses in Mongolia</a>. Blockchain + Brooklyn = <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/13/business/energy-environment/brooklyn-solar-grid-energy-trading.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a solar panel experiment</a>. Fighting back <a href="https://www.wired.co.uk/article/bitcoin-mining-energy-consumption-new-york" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">against Bitcoin energy guzzlers</a>. Will <a href="https://hackernoon.com/a-primer-on-proof-of-stake-and-why-it-matters-for-the-future-of-blockchains-48764373d4b1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">proof-of-stake</a> lower Ethereum’s environmental impact? Jimmy Song thinks <a href="https://medium.com/@jimmysong/the-truth-about-smart-contracts-ae825271811f" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">smart contracts are dumb</a>. <a href="https://strategiccoin.com/chronicles-4/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ethereum's existential crisis</a>.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) Joon Ian Wong (joonian) Managing Director at Coindesk</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Chapter 10: Listening to Anthony Bourdain</title>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Civil journalist Maria Bustillos shares a recording of her epic interview with America’s unofficial ambassador.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Anthony Bourdain did a very unusual interview a few months before his death: he spent an afternoon with <a href="https://twitter.com/mariabustillos?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Maria Bustillos</a>, founder of <a href="https://popula.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Popula.com</a> and the first journalist to join the <a href="https://civil.co/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil</a> platform. <em><a href="https://popula.com/2018/07/15/bourdain-confidential/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bourdain Confidential</a></em>, her piece about their wonderfully philosophical and fiery conversation, went viral when she published it in July. Now, for the first time, Maria shares her audio recording of their time together; hear Bourdain’s take on Obama, his choice words for other celebrities, and why he felt he could never share his happiest travel moments with his TV audience.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br><em><a href="https://www.eater.com/2017/1/25/14376996/anthony-bourdain-novels-fiction" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Fiction Confidential</a></em> is an in-depth analysis of Bourdain’s books that Maria wrote and he  loved. They met in February at <a href="https://coliseumnyc.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Coliseum</a>, a Manhattan restaurant/bar that just closed forever. After writing <em><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/inside-the-fight-over-bitcoins-future" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Inside the Fight Over Bitcoin’s Future</a></em> and other articles for the New Yorker, Maria became obsessed with blockchain technology. Manoush and Jen reference <a href="https://twitter.com/dugla/status/1025159719562960897" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this Twitter conversation</a> in their update. The new and excellent podcast we mention at the end is <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/id1422065980" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">NYCFAQ</a>. The book Maria recommends is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/History-Thieves-Secrets-Shaping-Modern/dp/1846275830" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The History Thieves</a>. <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/misinformation-disinformation-propaganda-war" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The information war is on</a>. Several listeners have asked about the <a href="http://www.goethesociety.org/pages/quotescom.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Goethe quote</a> from Chapter 9 (and the debate surrounding its provenance).</p><p><strong>An important note:</strong><br>If you or someone you know is having suicidal thoughts, don’t hesitate. Call the U.S. National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-TALK (8255) or click <a href="https://www.iasp.info/resources/Crisis_Centres/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here </a>for numbers outside the U.S.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) Maria Bustillos (@mariabustillos) Anthony Bourdain (Rest In Peace)</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Anthony Bourdain did a very unusual interview a few months before his death: he spent an afternoon with <a href="https://twitter.com/mariabustillos?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Maria Bustillos</a>, founder of <a href="https://popula.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Popula.com</a> and the first journalist to join the <a href="https://civil.co/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil</a> platform. <em><a href="https://popula.com/2018/07/15/bourdain-confidential/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bourdain Confidential</a></em>, her piece about their wonderfully philosophical and fiery conversation, went viral when she published it in July. Now, for the first time, Maria shares her audio recording of their time together; hear Bourdain’s take on Obama, his choice words for other celebrities, and why he felt he could never share his happiest travel moments with his TV audience.</p><p><strong>GO DEEPER:</strong><br><em><a href="https://www.eater.com/2017/1/25/14376996/anthony-bourdain-novels-fiction" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Fiction Confidential</a></em> is an in-depth analysis of Bourdain’s books that Maria wrote and he  loved. They met in February at <a href="https://coliseumnyc.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Coliseum</a>, a Manhattan restaurant/bar that just closed forever. After writing <em><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/inside-the-fight-over-bitcoins-future" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Inside the Fight Over Bitcoin’s Future</a></em> and other articles for the New Yorker, Maria became obsessed with blockchain technology. Manoush and Jen reference <a href="https://twitter.com/dugla/status/1025159719562960897" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this Twitter conversation</a> in their update. The new and excellent podcast we mention at the end is <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/id1422065980" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">NYCFAQ</a>. The book Maria recommends is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/History-Thieves-Secrets-Shaping-Modern/dp/1846275830" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The History Thieves</a>. <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/misinformation-disinformation-propaganda-war" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The information war is on</a>. Several listeners have asked about the <a href="http://www.goethesociety.org/pages/quotescom.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Goethe quote</a> from Chapter 9 (and the debate surrounding its provenance).</p><p><strong>An important note:</strong><br>If you or someone you know is having suicidal thoughts, don’t hesitate. Call the U.S. National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-TALK (8255) or click <a href="https://www.iasp.info/resources/Crisis_Centres/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here </a>for numbers outside the U.S.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) Maria Bustillos (@mariabustillos) Anthony Bourdain (Rest In Peace)</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Chapter 9: Letter from Startup-Blockchain-Women-Entrepreneurland</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Civil delays its token sale and listeners share changes they’ve made in their lives since #MeToo.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Civil postpones its token sale until September and lowers expectations of how much the sale can generate. Meanwhile, Manoush and Jen are floored by emails from listeners about the changes they’ve made in their lives since #MeToo. Plus, Manoush responds to criticism that she and Jen “act like silly dumb girls” whenever they discuss high-level concepts.</p><p>**GO DEEPER:<br>**Here's where to 1) read the <a href="https://civil.co/help/#faq" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil FAQ</a> and <a href="https://civil.co/constitution/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Constitution</a> 2)take the <a href="https://tokenfoundry.com/registration/signup" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">registration</a> quiz, 3) ask questions in <a href="https://t.me/join_civil" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Telegram</a> and 4) educate yourself about <a href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/crypto-investing-comes-with-a-big-risk-the-exchanges-1520078400" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">crypto risk</a>. <a href="https://tokenfoundry.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Token Foundry</a> will run the CVL token sale and has published consumer-protection <a href="https://tokenfoundry.com/standards" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">standards</a>. Mapping-with-blockchain company <a href="https://blog.foam.space/foam-frequently-asked-questions-faq-6a0d5415d549" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">FOAM</a> is doing the token-sale-thing <a href="https://tokenfoundry.com/projects/foam" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">now</a> (btw, 1 out of 4 people <a href="https://blog.tokenfoundry.com/how-our-standards-are-working/?utm_campaign=website&amp;utm_source=sendgrid.com&amp;utm_medium=email" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">failed its quiz</a>). The <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/07/23/how-the-bbc-women-are-working-toward-equal-pay" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">New Yorker article about pay parity</a> at the BBC and the different <a href="https://hbr.org/2018/05/the-different-words-we-use-to-describe-male-and-female-leaders" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">words we use</a> to describe male and female leaders.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) and ZigZag listeners!</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Civil postpones its token sale until September and lowers expectations of how much the sale can generate. Meanwhile, Manoush and Jen are floored by emails from listeners about the changes they’ve made in their lives since #MeToo. Plus, Manoush responds to criticism that she and Jen “act like silly dumb girls” whenever they discuss high-level concepts.</p><p>**GO DEEPER:<br>**Here's where to 1) read the <a href="https://civil.co/help/#faq" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil FAQ</a> and <a href="https://civil.co/constitution/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Constitution</a> 2)take the <a href="https://tokenfoundry.com/registration/signup" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">registration</a> quiz, 3) ask questions in <a href="https://t.me/join_civil" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Telegram</a> and 4) educate yourself about <a href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/crypto-investing-comes-with-a-big-risk-the-exchanges-1520078400" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">crypto risk</a>. <a href="https://tokenfoundry.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Token Foundry</a> will run the CVL token sale and has published consumer-protection <a href="https://tokenfoundry.com/standards" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">standards</a>. Mapping-with-blockchain company <a href="https://blog.foam.space/foam-frequently-asked-questions-faq-6a0d5415d549" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">FOAM</a> is doing the token-sale-thing <a href="https://tokenfoundry.com/projects/foam" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">now</a> (btw, 1 out of 4 people <a href="https://blog.tokenfoundry.com/how-our-standards-are-working/?utm_campaign=website&amp;utm_source=sendgrid.com&amp;utm_medium=email" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">failed its quiz</a>). The <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/07/23/how-the-bbc-women-are-working-toward-equal-pay" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">New Yorker article about pay parity</a> at the BBC and the different <a href="https://hbr.org/2018/05/the-different-words-we-use-to-describe-male-and-female-leaders" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">words we use</a> to describe male and female leaders.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) and ZigZag listeners!</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Chapter 8: Putting Crypto Pioneers to the Test</title>
			<itunes:title>Chapter 8: Putting Crypto Pioneers to the Test</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2018 04:29:21 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Mapping the future of journalism is hard. And some people like it that way.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>It’s true. ZigZag listeners agree that registering to buy <a href="https://civil.co/cvl/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CVL tokens</a> is a pain in the ass. And yet, many still <a href="https://civil.co/help/#faq" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">plan to join</a> Civil’s experimental social network for journalism. On this episode, listeners ask tough question and explain why they’re undeterred by the platform’s growing pains. Also, Manoush and Jen gather the “<a href="https://civil.co/newsrooms/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">First-Fleet</a>” of Civil journalists to discuss problems with employers and business-models past (<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-dnainfo-shutting-down-20171102-story.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">DNAInfo</a>, <a href="https://www.denverpost.com/2018/05/08/denver-post-alden-global-capital-protest/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Denver Post</a>, the <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/23/business/media/tronc-daily-news-layoffs.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">New York Daily News</a>)...and how they plan to make sure local and investigative journalism have a future, tokens or no tokens.</p><p>GO DEEPER:</p><p>The story of <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/12/sec-shuts-down-munchee-ico/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Munchee</a> explains much of Civil’s <a href="https://www.sec.gov/ICO" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">caution</a> around its token sale. <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2018/07/want-to-support-journalism-with-cryptocurrency-on-civil-first-you-must-pass-this-really-hard-quiz/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Nieman Lab</a> thinks it’s funny that Manoush failed the crypto quiz. Kara Swisher’s conversation with Mark Zuckerberg about <a href="https://www.recode.net/2018/7/18/17575156/mark-zuckerberg-interview-facebook-recode-kara-swisher" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">platforms, information, and power</a>. Ex-Politico reporter <a href="https://twitter.com/Azi" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Azi Paybarah</a>, Professor <a href="https://twitter.com/Dr_CMGreer" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Christina Greer</a>, and the Daily Beast’s <a href="https://twitter.com/harrysiegel" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Harry Siegel</a> explain how their upcoming podcast, <a href="https://news.joincivil.com/faq-nyc/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">FAQ NYC</a>, will fill a gap in local news. <a href="https://qz.com/1173033/the-psychology-behind-why-journalism-paywalls-still-dont-work/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The debate</a> over journalism and paywalls. For now, everything on the first-fleet sites <a href="https://popula.com/welcome-to-popula/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Popula</a>, <a href="https://readsludge.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sludge</a>, <a href="https://blockclubchicago.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Block Club Chicago</a>, <a href="https://cannabiswire.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Cannabis Wire</a>, and <a href="https://documentedny.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Documented</a> is free. Sign up for <a href="https://us16.campaign-archive.com/home/?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag’s newsletter</a> for our weekly pick of thought-provoking articles and podcasts.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) Matthew Iles (@matthewiles) Maria Bustillos Founder of <a href="https://popula.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Popula</a> (@mariabustillos) Stephanie Lulay <a href="https://blockclubchicago.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Block Club Chicago</a> (@slulay2) Eric Lubbers <a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/873054240/the-colorado-sun" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Colorado Sun </a>(@brofax) Harry Siegle<a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/faq-nyc-the-new-yorkest-news-pod-863bb8f064c" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> FAQNYC</a> (@harrysiegel)</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p>—</p><p>Produced by <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a></p><p>Follow ZigZag on Instagram and Twitter: @ZigZagpod</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>It’s true. ZigZag listeners agree that registering to buy <a href="https://civil.co/cvl/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CVL tokens</a> is a pain in the ass. And yet, many still <a href="https://civil.co/help/#faq" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">plan to join</a> Civil’s experimental social network for journalism. On this episode, listeners ask tough question and explain why they’re undeterred by the platform’s growing pains. Also, Manoush and Jen gather the “<a href="https://civil.co/newsrooms/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">First-Fleet</a>” of Civil journalists to discuss problems with employers and business-models past (<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-dnainfo-shutting-down-20171102-story.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">DNAInfo</a>, <a href="https://www.denverpost.com/2018/05/08/denver-post-alden-global-capital-protest/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Denver Post</a>, the <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/23/business/media/tronc-daily-news-layoffs.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">New York Daily News</a>)...and how they plan to make sure local and investigative journalism have a future, tokens or no tokens.</p><p>GO DEEPER:</p><p>The story of <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/12/sec-shuts-down-munchee-ico/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Munchee</a> explains much of Civil’s <a href="https://www.sec.gov/ICO" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">caution</a> around its token sale. <a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2018/07/want-to-support-journalism-with-cryptocurrency-on-civil-first-you-must-pass-this-really-hard-quiz/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Nieman Lab</a> thinks it’s funny that Manoush failed the crypto quiz. Kara Swisher’s conversation with Mark Zuckerberg about <a href="https://www.recode.net/2018/7/18/17575156/mark-zuckerberg-interview-facebook-recode-kara-swisher" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">platforms, information, and power</a>. Ex-Politico reporter <a href="https://twitter.com/Azi" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Azi Paybarah</a>, Professor <a href="https://twitter.com/Dr_CMGreer" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Christina Greer</a>, and the Daily Beast’s <a href="https://twitter.com/harrysiegel" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Harry Siegel</a> explain how their upcoming podcast, <a href="https://news.joincivil.com/faq-nyc/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">FAQ NYC</a>, will fill a gap in local news. <a href="https://qz.com/1173033/the-psychology-behind-why-journalism-paywalls-still-dont-work/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The debate</a> over journalism and paywalls. For now, everything on the first-fleet sites <a href="https://popula.com/welcome-to-popula/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Popula</a>, <a href="https://readsludge.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sludge</a>, <a href="https://blockclubchicago.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Block Club Chicago</a>, <a href="https://cannabiswire.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Cannabis Wire</a>, and <a href="https://documentedny.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Documented</a> is free. Sign up for <a href="https://us16.campaign-archive.com/home/?u=e45afeaed66eda16601914ac9&amp;id=95c21f8330" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ZigZag’s newsletter</a> for our weekly pick of thought-provoking articles and podcasts.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) Matthew Iles (@matthewiles) Maria Bustillos Founder of <a href="https://popula.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Popula</a> (@mariabustillos) Stephanie Lulay <a href="https://blockclubchicago.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Block Club Chicago</a> (@slulay2) Eric Lubbers <a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/873054240/the-colorado-sun" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Colorado Sun </a>(@brofax) Harry Siegle<a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/faq-nyc-the-new-yorkest-news-pod-863bb8f064c" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> FAQNYC</a> (@harrysiegel)</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p>—</p><p>Produced by <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a></p><p>Follow ZigZag on Instagram and Twitter: @ZigZagpod</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Chapter 7: A New Frontier for Journalism?</title>
			<itunes:title>Chapter 7: A New Frontier for Journalism?</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2018 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Civil officially announces its token sale and the rules governing the platform.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The time has come. Civil, the blockchain startup for journalism, made its big <a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/announcing-the-cvl-token-launch-cb319d34a79" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">announce</a>ment: members of the public can now register to buy its digital currency, the <a href="https://civil.co/cvl/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CVL token</a>. But Manoush and Jen are surprised by the strict parameters Civil has set for the sale. What do these restrictions mean for their finances? Will people go through Civil’s <a href="https://civil.co/help/#faq" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">rigorous process</a> to buy tokens? Maybe...but only if they’re absolutely convinced that the ethics of the platform are worth supporting. Enter <a href="https://blog.tokenfoundry.com/token-foundry-standards/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Vivian Schiller</a>, ex-CEO of NPR, now head of Civil’s Council, enforcer of its <a href="https://civil.co/constitution/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Constitution</a>, and the most public face of the platform.</p><p>GO DEEPER:</p><p>Civil wants people to read this <a href="https://civil.co/help/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">FAQ section</a> and answer a <a href="https://tokenfoundry.com/registration/questionnaire" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">questionnaire </a>before registering to buy CVL tokens. The Wall Street Journal got <a href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/startup-thinks-blockchain-can-help-fix-the-medias-business-woes-1531918800" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the scoop</a>. <a href="https://blog.tokenfoundry.com/token-foundry-standards/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Token Foundry</a> weeds out sellers and buyers who just want to make a fast buck. <a href="https://civil.co/how-to-launch-newsroom/#civil-registry" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">How to launch a newsroom</a> on Civil. Vivian Schiller just introduced the first <a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/introducing-the-first-civil-council-members-and-looking-ahead-to-the-next-year-def988ae25a1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil Council members</a>. CVL’s token design is based on a <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DkAN3p7t0qefUOnvIkKS3PxgU6tCYEmCYxv2wBAeLng/edit" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">framework developed by the Brooklyn Project</a>, an initiative to promote responsible token exchanges. Time to know the difference between <a href="https://medium.com/dash-for-newbies/cold-wallet-vs-hot-wallet-whats-the-difference-a00d872aa6b1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">cold and hot wallets</a>.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) Matthew Iles (@matthewiles) Vivian Schiller (@vivan)</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p>—</p><p>Produced by <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a></p><p>Follow ZigZag on Instagram and Twitter: @ZigZagpod</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>The time has come. Civil, the blockchain startup for journalism, made its big <a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/announcing-the-cvl-token-launch-cb319d34a79" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">announce</a>ment: members of the public can now register to buy its digital currency, the <a href="https://civil.co/cvl/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CVL token</a>. But Manoush and Jen are surprised by the strict parameters Civil has set for the sale. What do these restrictions mean for their finances? Will people go through Civil’s <a href="https://civil.co/help/#faq" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">rigorous process</a> to buy tokens? Maybe...but only if they’re absolutely convinced that the ethics of the platform are worth supporting. Enter <a href="https://blog.tokenfoundry.com/token-foundry-standards/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Vivian Schiller</a>, ex-CEO of NPR, now head of Civil’s Council, enforcer of its <a href="https://civil.co/constitution/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Constitution</a>, and the most public face of the platform.</p><p>GO DEEPER:</p><p>Civil wants people to read this <a href="https://civil.co/help/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">FAQ section</a> and answer a <a href="https://tokenfoundry.com/registration/questionnaire" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">questionnaire </a>before registering to buy CVL tokens. The Wall Street Journal got <a href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/startup-thinks-blockchain-can-help-fix-the-medias-business-woes-1531918800" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">the scoop</a>. <a href="https://blog.tokenfoundry.com/token-foundry-standards/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Token Foundry</a> weeds out sellers and buyers who just want to make a fast buck. <a href="https://civil.co/how-to-launch-newsroom/#civil-registry" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">How to launch a newsroom</a> on Civil. Vivian Schiller just introduced the first <a href="https://blog.joincivil.com/introducing-the-first-civil-council-members-and-looking-ahead-to-the-next-year-def988ae25a1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil Council members</a>. CVL’s token design is based on a <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DkAN3p7t0qefUOnvIkKS3PxgU6tCYEmCYxv2wBAeLng/edit" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">framework developed by the Brooklyn Project</a>, an initiative to promote responsible token exchanges. Time to know the difference between <a href="https://medium.com/dash-for-newbies/cold-wallet-vs-hot-wallet-whats-the-difference-a00d872aa6b1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">cold and hot wallets</a>.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) Matthew Iles (@matthewiles) Vivian Schiller (@vivan)</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p>—</p><p>Produced by <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a></p><p>Follow ZigZag on Instagram and Twitter: @ZigZagpod</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA[Chapter 6: What's a CVL Token?]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA[Chapter 6: What's a CVL Token?]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2018 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Nerdball incoming! Manoush and Jen go deeper on blockchain technology with the basics behind cryptoeconomics and token curated registries.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>A heady cocktail of cryptoeconomics and game theory is fueling <a href="http://www.joincivil.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil’s</a> big plan to save journalism. Add a “token curated registry” to the mix and it’s enough to give everyone a virtual hangover. Luckily, economist <a href="https://prysmgroup.io/team" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stephanie Hurder</a>, obsessive crypto-journalist <a href="http://unchainedpodcast.co/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Laura Shin</a>, and hot sauce come to the rescue.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>A heady cocktail of cryptoeconomics and game theory is fueling <a href="http://www.joincivil.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil’s</a> big plan to save journalism. Add a “token curated registry” to the mix and it’s enough to give everyone a virtual hangover. Luckily, economist <a href="https://prysmgroup.io/team" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stephanie Hurder</a>, obsessive crypto-journalist <a href="http://unchainedpodcast.co/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Laura Shin</a>, and hot sauce come to the rescue.</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Chapter 5: Men, Women and Vulnerability</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2018 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Ahead of the Civil token launch, Manoush and Jen go for one last gut check with the cofounders of Gimlet Media.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>With Civil’s token launch looming, Manoush and Jen go for one last gut check with the guys who helped inspire their meta journey: <a href="http://www.twitter.com/abexlumberg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alex Blumberg</a> and <a href="http://www.twitter.com/mlieber" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Matt Lieber</a>, co-founders of <a href="https://www.gimletmedia.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Gimlet Media</a>. Season One of their hugely successful podcast <a href="https://www.gimletmedia.com/startup/all#all-episodes-list" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">StartUp</a> documented Alex and Matt’s own entrepreneurial highs and lows. But the two women want to know: how did living out loud affect their psyches and families? And does gender change the story?</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) The Cofounders of Gimlet Media (@gimletmedia) Matt Lieber (@mlieber) Alex Blumberg (@abexlumberg)</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p>—</p><p>Produced by <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a></p><p>Follow ZigZag on Instagram and Twitter: @ZigZagpod</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>With Civil’s token launch looming, Manoush and Jen go for one last gut check with the guys who helped inspire their meta journey: <a href="http://www.twitter.com/abexlumberg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alex Blumberg</a> and <a href="http://www.twitter.com/mlieber" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Matt Lieber</a>, co-founders of <a href="https://www.gimletmedia.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Gimlet Media</a>. Season One of their hugely successful podcast <a href="https://www.gimletmedia.com/startup/all#all-episodes-list" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">StartUp</a> documented Alex and Matt’s own entrepreneurial highs and lows. But the two women want to know: how did living out loud affect their psyches and families? And does gender change the story?</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) The Cofounders of Gimlet Media (@gimletmedia) Matt Lieber (@mlieber) Alex Blumberg (@abexlumberg)</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p>—</p><p>Produced by <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a></p><p>Follow ZigZag on Instagram and Twitter: @ZigZagpod</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Chapter 4: Hedging Your Bets</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2018 04:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Roman Mars and a well-known venture capitalist school Manoush and Jen.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Manoush and Jen give themselves 36 hours in San Francisco to come up with a financial backup plan, just in case this whole blockchain-token-thing doesn’t work out. Silicon Valley runs on VC money so maybe Stable Genius Productions should too? First, they talk to <a href="https://twitter.com/jess?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a well-known </a>venture capitalist on whether aligning their mission with investor expectations is a laughable goal. Then, they visit <a href="https://twitter.com/romanmars?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Roman Mars</a>, host of 99% Invisible and Radiotopia co-founder, at his headquarters in Oakland. He explains how he built his podcasting empire and helps Manoush and Jen decide how to proceed.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) The Cofounders of Gimlet Media (@gimletmedia) Matt Lieber (@mlieber) Alex Blumberg (@abexlumberg)  Roman Mars, Cofounder of Radiotopia and host of 99% Invisible (@romanmars) (@99piorg) Angel Investor Jess Verrilli (@jess)</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p>—</p><p>Produced by <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a></p><p>Follow ZigZag on Instagram and Twitter: @ZigZagpod</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Manoush and Jen give themselves 36 hours in San Francisco to come up with a financial backup plan, just in case this whole blockchain-token-thing doesn’t work out. Silicon Valley runs on VC money so maybe Stable Genius Productions should too? First, they talk to <a href="https://twitter.com/jess?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a well-known </a>venture capitalist on whether aligning their mission with investor expectations is a laughable goal. Then, they visit <a href="https://twitter.com/romanmars?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Roman Mars</a>, host of 99% Invisible and Radiotopia co-founder, at his headquarters in Oakland. He explains how he built his podcasting empire and helps Manoush and Jen decide how to proceed.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) The Cofounders of Gimlet Media (@gimletmedia) Matt Lieber (@mlieber) Alex Blumberg (@abexlumberg)  Roman Mars, Cofounder of Radiotopia and host of 99% Invisible (@romanmars) (@99piorg) Angel Investor Jess Verrilli (@jess)</p><p>Support our work at <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/donate/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://zigzagpod.com/donate/</a></p><p>—</p><p>Produced by <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a></p><p>Follow ZigZag on Instagram and Twitter: @ZigZagpod</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Chapter 3: Higher Than We Knew</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 05:00:43 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>The stakes for the upcoming cryptocurrency launch become clear to Manoush and Jen.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>In Chapters 1 and 2, Jen and Manoush decide to gamble their future on <a href="https://qz.com/1294661/token-curated-registries-are-the-blockchain-solution-to-elon-musks-media-problem/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">new technology</a> that hasn’t been proven and a virtual currency that doesn’t exist yet.</p><p>In this chapter, they meet up with another pair of female co-founders to confide their fears about joining the experimental journalism platform called <a href="https://joincivil.com/how-it-works/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/alysonrmartin" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alyson Martin</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/NushinRashidian" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Nushin Rashidian </a>cover the burgeoning marijuana industry in the U.S. and are about to publish <a href="http://news.joincivil.com/cannabis-wire/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Cannabis Wire</a> on Civil. They believe it’s their best shot at growing Cannabis Wire into a hardy, sustainable publication (pun intended). But all four women are holding their breath until Civil’s token launch because, as they discover, the stakes are higher than they knew.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) Nushin Rashidian (@NushinRashidian) Alyson Martin (@alysonrmartin) Cannabis Wire (@cannabiswire) Matthew Iles (@matthewiles)</p><p>—</p><p>Support our work: <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/podcasts/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Here at Civil</a> and <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/podcasts/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Here at Radiotopia</a> too!</p><p>—</p><p>Produced by <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a></p><p>Follow ZigZag on Instagram and Twitter: @ZigZagpod</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>In Chapters 1 and 2, Jen and Manoush decide to gamble their future on <a href="https://qz.com/1294661/token-curated-registries-are-the-blockchain-solution-to-elon-musks-media-problem/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">new technology</a> that hasn’t been proven and a virtual currency that doesn’t exist yet.</p><p>In this chapter, they meet up with another pair of female co-founders to confide their fears about joining the experimental journalism platform called <a href="https://joincivil.com/how-it-works/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Civil</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/alysonrmartin" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alyson Martin</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/NushinRashidian" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Nushin Rashidian </a>cover the burgeoning marijuana industry in the U.S. and are about to publish <a href="http://news.joincivil.com/cannabis-wire/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Cannabis Wire</a> on Civil. They believe it’s their best shot at growing Cannabis Wire into a hardy, sustainable publication (pun intended). But all four women are holding their breath until Civil’s token launch because, as they discover, the stakes are higher than they knew.</p><p>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) Nushin Rashidian (@NushinRashidian) Alyson Martin (@alysonrmartin) Cannabis Wire (@cannabiswire) Matthew Iles (@matthewiles)</p><p>—</p><p>Support our work: <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/podcasts/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Here at Civil</a> and <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/podcasts/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Here at Radiotopia</a> too!</p><p>—</p><p>Produced by <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a></p><p>Follow ZigZag on Instagram and Twitter: @ZigZagpod</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Chapter 2: Blockchain. Blockwhat?!</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2018 09:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Manoush and Jen have a LOT of questions. Should they stake their careers on the blockchain? How can they explain it without sounding like techno-utopians who have bought into a pyramid scheme? And anyway, can the blockchain really upend how society works...AND help fund Manoush and Jen’s media company? Most importantly, can this episode really explain, simply and clearly, what the hell the blockchain is and how it works?</p><p><br>Who you’ll hear: Manoush (@manoushZ) Jen (@jpoyant) Cofounder of Ethereum Joe Lubin (@ethereumjoseph) Ronny Chieng (@ronnychieng) Megan Tan (@meganleetan)</p><p>—</p><p>Support our work: <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/podcasts/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Here at Civil</a> and <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/podcasts/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Here at Radiotopia</a> too!</p><p>—</p><p>Produced by <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a></p><p>Follow ZigZag on Instagram and Twitter: @ZigZagpod</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Chapter 1: Meet the Stable Geniuses</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2018 09:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Jen and Manoush leave their public radio jobs to chart a new course.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Manoush and Jen just formed a new kind of media company. But is it possible for them to simultaneously be entrepreneurs, mission-driven journalists, and good mothers without falling off a financial cliff? They quit their public radio jobs to find out. Just as panic starts to set in, they meet a mysterious funder with an intriguing proposal.</p><p>—</p><p>About the podcast: Join Manoush and Jen as they document every step of their journey from public radio journalists to media entrepreneurs… on the blockchain. ZigZag is a podcast about changing the course of capitalism, journalism, and women’s lives. ﻿﻿For real. New episodes of season 1, every Thursday throughout the Summer 2018.</p><p>—</p><p>Who you’ll hear in this episode: Manoush Zomorodi (@manoushz) Jen Poyant (@jpoyant)</p><p>Support our work: Donate <a href="https://zigzagpod.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here on Civil</a> and <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/podcasts/zigzag" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here on Radiotopia</a>!</p><p>Produced by <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stable Genius Productions</a></p><p>Follow ZigZagPod on Instagram and Twitter: @ZigZagpod</p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<itunes:title>Introducing ZigZag!</itunes:title>
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			<itunes:subtitle>A new podcast about women and tech. And the blockchain. And anxiety.</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>A new podcast about women and tech. And the blockchain. And anxiety. First two episodes drop June 14th!  But meanwhile come say hi at <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stableg.com</a> and sign up for our <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">newsletter.</a></p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>A new podcast about women and tech. And the blockchain. And anxiety. First two episodes drop June 14th!  But meanwhile come say hi at <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stableg.com</a> and sign up for our <a href="https://www.stableg.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">newsletter.</a></p><p><strong>ZigZag is the business show about being human.</strong></p><p>Join a community of listeners riding the twists and turns of late-capitalism, searching for a kinder, more sustainable way. Manoush Zomorodi and Jen Poyant investigate how work and business impact our wellbeing and the planet we live on. On Seasons 4 and 5, hear from rebels and visionaries with radical ideas on how we can build stable lives, careers, and companies.</p><p>If you’re also interested in Jen and Manoush’s personal story and their adventures in starting their own business with a little help from blockchain technology, listen to the first three seasons, starting with Season 1, Chapter 1.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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