The Scaleup Flight

Why Tech Moats Are Dying in AI — and What Actually Scales Instead - In Conversation with Priya Saiprasad, GP at TC

Mon, 05 Jan 2026 20:55:56 GMT

Guest: Priya Saiprasad — Co-Founder & General Partner, Touring Capital

Host: Peeyush Upadhyay — Managing Partner, Pekamiar

In this episode of The Scale Up Flight, Peeyush Upadhyay sits down with Priya Saiprasad, Co-Founder and General Partner at Touring Capital, a $330M early-growth fund backing SaaS and AI companies.

Priya shares how her global upbringing—having lived in 12 countries by age 12—shaped her resilience, adaptability, and founder-first investing philosophy. Drawing from her experience at Square, Microsoft M12, Mayfield, and SoftBank Vision Fund, she unpacks what truly drives scale in today’s AI-powered economy.

The conversation goes deep into what venture investors underestimate, why technology moats are eroding, and how capital efficiency, talent, and go-to-market defensibility are becoming the real differentiators. Priya also offers candid advice for founders on choosing the right investors, navigating board dynamics, making tough people decisions, and building companies that compound over time—not just ride hype cycles.

This episode is a must-listen for SaaS and AI founders, operators, and investors navigating the Series B/C transition in an increasingly volatile market.

Chapters with TimeStamps

00:00 – 02:15

Introduction: Highlights & Welcoming Priya Saiprasad

02:16 – 06:10

Why diversity in VC is essential to finding true alpha

06:11 – 09:55

The M12 female founders initiative & uncovering overlooked founder talent

09:56 – 13:55

How a global childhood shaped resilience, adaptability, and founder empathy

13:56 – 18:30

Why the founder journey is inherently nonlinear—and deeply lonely

18:31 – 22:40

Square, Jack Dorsey, and the power of true meritocracy

22:41 – 26:40

A painful early investing lesson: product strength vs. “why now” markets

26:41 – 31:40

Contrarian investing, herd mentality, and resisting FOMO in hot markets

31:41 – 35:20

Why “tech as a moat” is eroding in the AI era

35:21 – 39:50

Capital efficiency vs. growth at all costs (and the Zoom example)

39:51 – 43:30

Where AI investing is overcrowded—and where real opportunity lies

43:31 – 47:10

What Priya looks for in a 30-minute founder pitch

47:11 – 49:55

How founders should diligence investors (beyond the size of the check)

49:56 – 52:40

Why most scale-up failures ultimately come down to talent decisions

52:41 – 55:50

The VC as confidant: trust, vulnerability, and founder peer networks

55:51 – 59:30

How Priya competes, takes risks, and shows conviction

59:31 – 01:02:00

Advice for leaders in the AI era: GTM, pricing, and staying relevant

Key Takeaways

Alpha isn’t obvious upfront — finding it requires looking beyond familiar networks and consensus thinking.

Diversity in decision-makers leads to better outcomes for both venture portfolios and founders.

The founder journey is a zigzag, requiring resilience, adaptability, and constant reinvention.

Technology as a moat is diminishing in the AI era; defensibility now comes from GTM, data, distribution, and product virality.

Capital efficiency matters more than headline valuation — valuation isn’t money in pocket until exit.

Restraint is harder than deploying capital, especially in hot markets driven by FOMO.

Great founders are intellectually curious, humble, and maniacally focused, not know-it-alls.

Founders must diligence VCs on how they behave during downturns—not just when things go well.

Everything ultimately boils down to talent — hiring, upgrading, and making tough people decisions at the right time.

In AI, speed and relevance matter — pricing, packaging, and continuous innovation are critical to long-term retention.

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Transforming Automotive Retail with Spyne AI - In Conversation with Sanjay Varnwal, Co-Founder & CEO

Mon, 24 Nov 2025 20:41:24 GMT

In this episode, Peeyush Upadhyay, Managing Partner of Pekamiar, sits down with Sanjay Varnwal, Co-founder & CEO of Spyne, to explore how they’re transforming automotive retail — from shaky smartphone photos on crowded lots to studio-quality images, 3D spins, immersive video, and AI-led digital retail.

Sanjay walks through Spyne’s hard pivot from a generic computer vision platform to a deep auto vertical, explaining why they consciously gave up 80% of their revenue to find true product–market fit, and how they scaled from India into the US and Europe, working with over 3,200 dealerships globally.

They talk about:

How dealers can shoot studio-like car visuals using just a smartphone

Why visuals dramatically change lead volume and conversions

Building proprietary computer vision & generative models for auto

Pivoting from multi-vertical to auto-only (and surviving the revenue dip)

Using conversational AI to capture leads 24/7

How to hire for new markets and build a US sales engine from India

What founders should really focus on before raising a Series A

If you’re building in AI, SaaS, or vertical software, or you’re a founder thinking about a painful but necessary pivot, this one is going to hit home.

Chapters

00:00: Introduction to Spine AI and Automotive Retail Transformation

02:53: The Impact of Visual Presentation on Car Sales

06:07: The Capture and Cleanup Process in Automotive Imaging

08:57: The Shift to Specialization in the Automotive Industry

11:44: Revenue Growth and Metrics for Success

14:53: Customer Success Stories and Engagement Strategies

17:52: Adapting to Market Changes and Technology Trends

20:47: Expanding into a Broader Digital Retail Platform

23:49: Fundraising and Future Growth Plans

26:18: Unlocking Funding Success

29:07: Navigating Market Challenges

30:30: Scaling and International Expansion

35:59: Hiring for Growth

42:34: Cultural Cohesion and Leadership

44:55: Future of AI in Auto Retail

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The Building of Innovaccer's Healthcare Intelligence Cloud with Sandy Gupta, Co-Founder & COO

Tue, 03 Jun 2025 03:17:49 GMT

In this episode, Peeyush Upadhyay interviews Sandy Gupta, Co-Founder and COO of Innovaccer, discussing the journey of building the largest intelligent healthcare cloud. They explore the importance of co-founder chemistry, the transition from research to healthcare, and the challenges faced in integrating healthcare data. Sandy shares insights on the decision-making process, the significance of trust among co-founders, and the evolution of Innovator's solutions in the healthcare sector. Sandy then discusses the transformative role of data in healthcare, highlighting the shift toward value-based care and the significance of social demographics in patient outcomes. They discuss the challenges faced by the healthcare industry, including rising costs and the need for automation through AI. The conversation also touches on the significance of building a strong company culture and navigating tough leadership decisions in a rapidly changing environment.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction to Innovaccer and Its Vision

02:57 - The Journey of Founders and Their Chemistry

05:58 - Transitioning from Research to Healthcare

08:52 - The Decision to Focus on Healthcare

12:01 - Building the Healthcare Intelligence Cloud

14:52 - Challenges and Solutions in Healthcare Data

17:57 - Scaling and Integrating Healthcare Solutions

26:38 - Data-Driven Healthcare Transformation

28:11 - Value-Based Care: A New Paradigm

30:49 - The Role of Social Demographics in Healthcare

32:57 - Preventative Care and Patient Insights

34:13 - Healthcare Industry Trends and Challenges

36:35 - AI and Automation in Healthcare

37:32 - Vision for the Future of Healthcare

40:09 - The Role of AI in Primary Care

42:46 - Building a Strong Company Culture

49:20 - Navigating Tough Decisions in Leadership

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'Focus on Winning Together' in Healthcare AI

Tue, 25 Mar 2025 07:05:48 GMT

In this conversation, Ankit Jain, Co-Founder & CEO of Infinitus, discusses with Peeyush Upadhyay, Managing Partner at Pekamiar, the importance of vulnerability in leadership, the need to focus on people rather than titles in startups, and the journey of a serial entrepreneur transitioning from founder to investor. He emphasizes the significance of understanding customer needs and the potential of healthcare technology, particularly in automating communication processes. The discussion highlights the challenges and opportunities in scaling a business while maintaining a strong company culture. In this conversation, Ankit shares Infinitus' journey from identifying a significant problem in healthcare to building a product that addresses it. He, then, touches upon the evolution of their Technology, and the importance of a diverse founding team, highlighting how COVID-19 accelerated their mission. The conversation also delves into the company's culture, values, and the significance of defining success beyond mere numbers. Ankit delves into the intersection of AI and healthcare, emphasizing the importance of viewing technology as a tool to enhance human capabilities rather than a threat. The discussion then segues into the complexities of hiring in startups, the significance of cultural fit, and the role of people operations in maintaining a strong organizational culture. The dialogue also touches on the challenges of scaling a company while prioritizing people, the adoption of AI in operations, and the balance between work and family life. Finally, Ankit shares some powerful insights on leadership, vulnerability, and the human element in guiding teams towards success.

Titles

Embracing Vulnerability in Leadership

The Importance of People in Business

Rethinking Titles and Roles in Startups

The Journey of a Serial Entrepreneur

Transitioning from Founder to Investor

Identifying Opportunities in Healthcare

Chapters

00:00 Embracing Vulnerability in Leadership

06:02 Rethinking Titles and Roles in Startups

12:02 Transitioning from Founder to Investor

14:51 Identifying Opportunities in Healthcare

18:03 Building a Company with Purpose

20:34 Identifying Problems and Building Solutions

21:30 The Evolution of Infinitus' Product

22:58 Learning from Industry Pioneers

24:19 The Naming Journey of Infinitus

25:32 Building a Diverse Founding Team

27:34 The Impact of COVID-19 on Healthcare

29:53 Defining Company Culture and Values

33:13 The Importance of Winning Together

37:02 How to Win: Beyond Numbers

41:08 Building Relationships with Customers

42:33 AI as a Complement to Healthcare

43:30 Hiring Dynamics in Startups

44:31 Understanding Cost in Hiring

45:04 The Importance of Cultural Fit

46:01 Interviewing and Decision-Making

47:35 Encouraging Open Communication

48:04 Cultural Custodians in Organizations

49:31 People Operations and Culture

50:01 Attracting Top Talent to Infinitus

52:26 Scaling Challenges and People Focus

54:06 AI Adoption in Operations

55:08 Balancing Work and Family Life

58:32 Advice for Early-Stage Founders

01:00:01 The Human Element in Leadership

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Transforming Tech with Trmeric - In conversation with Siddharth Bohra, Founder & CEO.

Tue, 11 Mar 2025 12:36:02 GMT

In this episode, Siddharth Bohra, Founder & CEO of Trmeric, talks about his journey starting out as a commerce graduate to leading multi-billion dollar businesses at Global Tech firms to founding Trmeric, emphasizing the importance of learnability and team building. He shares insights on navigating customer needs, the genesis of Trmeric, and the evolution of its product offerings. The discussion highlights the significance of AI in product development and the modular nature of Trmeric's services, as well as the role of AI co-pilots in enhancing user experience. Siddharth also elaborates on curating a network of service providers and the future directions for Trmeric. In this conversation, the founder discusses the journey of building Trmeric, focusing on product development, user experience, and the importance of customer feedback. He emphasizes the need for a roadmap for future growth, the challenges of fundraising, and the significance of creating a strong company culture. The discussion also touches on the attributes sought in team members, the learning curve in a startup environment, and advice for aspiring entrepreneurs.

Key Topics

The Journey of Learnability and Team Building

Navigating Customer Needs and Product Vision

The Genesis of Trmeric: From Idea to Reality

Identifying Market Problems and Solutions

Building the Prototype and Gathering Feedback

The Evolution of Turmeric's Product Offering

Leveraging AI in Product Development

Chapters

00:00 The Journey of Learnability and Team Building

03:10 Navigating Customer Needs and Product Vision

05:45 The Genesis of Trmeric: From Idea to Reality

09:11 Identifying Market Problems and Solutions

12:02 Building the Prototype and Gathering Feedback

15:07 The Evolution of Trmeric's Product Offering

17:50 Leveraging AI in Product Development

21:00 Understanding the Modular Nature of Trmeric

23:57 The Role of AI Co-Pilots in Enhancing User Experience

26:58 Curating a Network of Service Providers

30:03 Future Directions and Innovations for Trmeric

38:28 Building a Roadmap for the Future

44:10 Focus on Product Experience and User Empowerment

48:20 Navigating Fundraising and Growth Strategies

51:32 Scaling Plans and Team Expansion

54:18 Key Attributes for Team Recruitment

57:46 Defining Company Culture and Values

01:00:27 Learning and Growth in a Startup Environment

01:06:20 Overcoming Self-Doubt and Staying Motivated

01:10:58 Advice for Aspiring Entrepreneurs

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Affinity – The AdTech Rocketship - $10M to $100M in 5Y - With Lavin Punjabi, Co-Founder & CEO

Tue, 14 Jan 2025 03:46:25 GMT

In this conversation, Lavin Punjabi, Co-Founder & CEO of Affinity, a hyper-growth $100M ARR AdTech firm, talks with Peeyush Upadhyay, Managing Partner at Pekamiar, about his entrepreneurial journey and Affinity's growth story detailing its evolution from a domain parking company to a leader in performance advertising. He shares insights on the company's evolution over the years through multiple pivots and the importance of adaptability, risk-taking, and a growth-led mindset that helped build innovative solutions that led to significant revenue growth. The discussion emphasizes the value of data-driven decision-making and the necessity of maintaining profitability while pursuing new ventures. Lavin talks about Affinity's strategic response to tectonic shifts in the Advertising industry, and the company's conscious decision to invest in privacy-friendly, cookie-less, and AI-powered product strategy and development. He emphasizes the importance of building a strong team culture, the challenges of establishing a global brand, and the balance between work and family life. The discussion also touches on the significance of taking risks and being data-driven in entrepreneurship.

Chapters