4th Bottom Line

I wanted to be a nun!

Wed, 25 Mar 2026 05:00:00 GMT

In Episode 4 of The 4th Bottom Line, Paul is joined by Neuroscientist and Leadership Guru Lynda Shaw. As a trusted advisor to CEOs, she helps leaders understand how the conscious and unconscious brain works... a totally different role considering she wanted to be a nun when she was a child!

If you want to learn more about Paul’s work, follow him on LinkedIn www.linkedin.com/in/paulwhargreaves, visit www.paulhargreaves.co.uk or look out for his two books – Forces for Good and The Fourth Bottom Line.

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The Life of Pi changed my life

Wed, 11 Mar 2026 05:00:00 GMT

"I was called 'mad' for leaving London in my 20's"... Rosie Brown CBE has never done anything the conventional way and in this episode of The 4th Bottom Line she chats through her compelling career at Cook with Paul Hargreaves.

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Being blind has superpowered my entrepreneurship

Wed, 25 Feb 2026 05:00:00 GMT

In this powerful episode, Paul is joined by Liz Jackson, entrepreneur, corporate finance leader and a true force for good. Liz shares her remarkable journey of losing her eyesight while building her first business, how it reshaped the way she works, leads and lives. With warmth, humour and honesty, she reflects on resilience, gratitude, and the emotional reality of life beyond the deal, offering powerful insight into building businesses and lives from the inside out.

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Football to Fishmongering and Beyond: Adrian Boswell on Purpose, People, and Inner Growth

Wed, 11 Feb 2026 05:00:00 GMT

The 4th Bottom Line is back for series 4! In this episode Paul sits down with Adrian Boswell, whose journey from aspiring professional footballer to senior buyer in the specialty food industry is a story of resilience, reinvention, and purpose. Adrian tells us about life changing events, including a career ending injury, the early arrival of his son and how these experiences shaped his approach to work, mentorship, and personal growth.

We explore the power of connection, the role of spirituality in everyday life, and how coaching and emotional intelligence can transform relationships and careers. From the competitive streets of South London to the world of specialty food, Adrian shares lessons on authenticity, collaboration, and the inner work that underpins outer success.

If you are seeking inspiration, practical wisdom, and a reminder that true success comes from aligning your inner and outer worlds, this episode is for you.

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Can you believe we’re heading into Series 4 of The 4th Bottom Line?

Wed, 28 Jan 2026 05:00:00 GMT

In Series 3, I had the privilege of speaking with remarkable guests including Nigel Barden, Mallika Basu, Will Howard, Eudora Pascal, Eleanor Mills, and Giles Hutchins. Together, we explored leadership, personal development, transformation, resilience, and the often messy moments that shape who we become.

In Series 4, I’ll continue these conversations with senior leaders, founders, and changemakers, uncovering the experiences that shaped their leadership, career growth, and purpose. We’ll dive into the challenges, breakthroughs, and lessons that define a successful and meaningful life.

Series 4 launches on 11 February, with new episodes released fortnightly.

If you haven’t subscribed yet, please do it really helps the podcast reach more people.

Catch up on previous episodes while you wait, and I look forward to sharing Series 4 with you soon.

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A Christmas Bonus: Leadership in the Woods

Wed, 10 Dec 2025 05:00:14 GMT

Normally our series wraps after six episodes, but for Christmas I wanted to give you a little extra.

In this bonus episode, Giles Hutchins puts me in the hot seat for a change, asking questions about successful leadership, purpose, and me! We recorded it in the woods for a relaxed, reflective feel, and at just 30 minutes, it’s short enough to enjoy before you dive back into your Christmas prep!

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Mid-Life Chrysalis, Finding Purpose Beyond Achievement with Eleanor Mills

Wed, 26 Nov 2025 05:00:00 GMT

In this latest episode of the 4th bottom line, Paul talks to Eleanor Mills , award-winning journalist, former Editorial Director of The Sunday Times, and founder of Noon, a platform redefining midlife for women.

Eleanor shares her extraordinary story of transformation from high-powered media executive to spiritual seeker and advocate for purposeful living. After being made redundant from The Sunday Times, Eleanor experienced what she calls a “midlife chrysalis” a period of loss, reflection, and renewal that ultimately gave birth to Noon and a new way of seeing the world.

In a conversation full of honesty and insight, Paul and Eleanor explore how achievement-driven cultures can disconnect us from our inner lives, what happens when we finally slow down, and why midlife isn’t a crisis it’s an awakening!

Whether you’re navigating change, searching for purpose, or simply curious about how inner transformation fuels outer impact, this episode is a powerful reminder that sometimes you have to fall apart to truly begin again.

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From Rothmans to Regeneration: Finding Meaning in Business with Will Howard”

Wed, 12 Nov 2025 05:00:00 GMT

In this episode Paul Hargreaves sits down with Will Howard, UK Managing Director and Chief Commercial Officer at Grow Up Farms a purpose-led vertical farming company transforming the way Britain grows its food.

From a rebellious youth and early anxiety struggles to finding his calling in values-driven business, Will shares an honest and heartfelt look at how his inner journey has shaped the leader he is today. Together, Paul and Will explore how kindness and ambition can coexist, what it means to create space as a leader, and why “looking up” in both life and leadership can change everything.

This conversation is a masterclass in personal growth, authenticity, and how meaningful inner change fuels lasting impact in business and beyond.

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Eudora Pascall: "Cancer helped me realise how loved I was"

Wed, 29 Oct 2025 05:00:00 GMT

The fourth guest of series 3 is Eudora Pascall, Eudora joins Paul Hargreaves for an open chat about her beginnings up to the present day and the way she publicly dealt with her cancer treatment.

Eudora had a difficult relationship with her family which led to her realising at 6 years old that she didn't need her mother, experiences that inspired her to build acompletely different relationship with her daughter - especially when going through a family break up and her cancer diagnosis.

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Nigel Barden: "I tried to join the army at 13 years old!"

Wed, 15 Oct 2025 04:00:00 GMT

In the third episode of series 3, Paul Hargreaves is joined by the energetic and always entertaining Nigel Barden. The youngest of 3 brothers, Nigel made his way into the wine trade in his 20s before escaping just as they were about to make him a CEO. His main calling has been broadcasting on radio and stage, becoming one of the most recognisable names in the food and drink industry.

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Mallika Basu: “I have a riches to rags story!”

Wed, 01 Oct 2025 04:00:00 GMT

Mallika Basu is a home cook and author who was born into an affluent family in India but swapped it all for a new life in England. Mallika joins Paul Hargreaves on the 4th Bottom Line to chat about her "riches to rags story" and how she overcame hitting "rock-bottom" just before the pandemic.

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Giles Hutchins: "I’m going to die here"

Wed, 17 Sep 2025 04:00:00 GMT

In the opening episode of Series 3, Paul travelled to Springwood Farm in Sussex to meet Giles Hutchins, an extraordinary thinker who rarely leaves the ancient woodland he calls home. With a camera and sound crew in tow, we explore why leaders from around the world journey to this secluded spot, often choosing to sleep under the stars.

Their conversation dives into the mysteries of nature, feeling Wi-Fi signals, out-of-body experiences, and Giles’ profound connection to the land and why he believes he’ll take his final breath right where we recorded. It’s one of the most fascinating and thought-provoking episodes yet.

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Trailer: Series 3

Mon, 08 Sep 2025 04:00:00 GMT

Paul Hargreaves is back for series 3 of the 4th Bottom Line with more interesting guests getting ready to sit down with him and have a chat.

As we look forward to some new episodes, Paul wanted to look back at series 2 and reflect on the fascinating people who joined him on the podcast.

If you want to learn more about Paul’s work, follow him on LinkedIn www.linkedin.com/in/paulwhargreaves , visit www.paulhargreaves.co.uk or look out for his two books – Forces for Good and The Fourth Bottom Line.

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Eve Poole: "They don’t expect someone wearing pearls to say “f*** off!”

Wed, 23 Apr 2025 04:00:00 GMT

In the final episode of the second series of the 4th Bottom Line, Eve Poole joins Paul Hargreaves to talk about how humans interact with A.I and why we should be careful with how we use it. Eve also discusses being bullied in the church, being the first female Chair of Gordonstoun, and receiving an OBE.

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Andrew Thornton: "My mid-life crisis was going and buying a couple of supermarkets"

Wed, 16 Apr 2025 04:00:00 GMT

In Episode 5 of the second series of the 4th Bottom Line, Paul Hargreaves is in conversation with Andrew Thornton for a very open and honest conversation about a stellar career in the food retail sector, growing up in Catholic Ireland, buying two supermarkets and now putting the heart back into business.

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Amy Kington: "I got to the top of the mountain but it wasn’t what I was expecting it to be!"

Wed, 09 Apr 2025 04:00:00 GMT

In Episode 4 from series 2 of the 4th Bottom Line, Paul Hargreaves speaks to Amy Kington. Amy is an award winning business leader, entrepreneur, campaigner and was the first ever female academy director at a men’s professional football club in the UK when she worked at Bristol City. In a fascinating conversation she talks about her unique childhood, how she fell out of love with football and why she now focuses her time into helping disadvantaged children across Bristol.

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Darryl Cooke: "I left a silent monastery to grab a pizza"

Wed, 02 Apr 2025 04:00:00 GMT

In Episode 3 of the 4th Bottom Line second series, Paul Hargreaves is chatting to Private Equity Lawyer and the visionary behind international law firm, gunnercooke, Darryl Cooke. Darryl has had quite the career which has included having 17 jobs and moving to Australia to play football. He’s now back at home as he looks to leave a legacy in the world and the business to his children.

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Pip Murray: "Some people move in with parents, I lived in a shed!"

Wed, 26 Mar 2025 05:00:00 GMT

In Episode 2 of the second series of the 4th Bottom Line, Paul Hargreaves is speaking to Pip Murray - founder of Pip & Nut. Pip had an unconventional start to business, her father charged interest on a loan she took out from him and she spent 3 months living in a shed. It’s an entertaining conversation as we find out how, young female entrepreneur, Pip Murray got to the place she’s at today whilst also becoming a mum.

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Paul McGee: "I didn’t even have the strength to wash my hair!"

Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:00:00 GMT

Series 2 of the 4th Bottom Line kicks off with Paul Hargreaves sitting down for a chat with ‘The SUMO Guy’ Paul McGee. In this episode, international speaker, Paul McGee opens up about his difficult childhood, how adversity in his early 20’s helped shaped his mindset in later years and a why a trip to one of Africa’s most deprived areas humbled him.

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Trailer: Season 2

Wed, 12 Mar 2025 05:00:00 GMT

Series 2 of the 4th Bottom Line is almost here but before we meet some more extraordinary people, Paul wanted to look back and reflect on the guests who joined him across series 1.

If you want to learn more about Paul’s work, follow him on LinkedIn www.linkedin.com/in/paulwhargreaves , visit www.paulhargreaves.co.uk or look out for his two books – Forces for Good and The Fourth Bottom Line.

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Sue Richardson: “I am Here for a Reason”

Wed, 11 Dec 2024 05:00:25 GMT

Season one of the 4th Bottom Line concludes with host Paul Hargreaves in conversation with Sue Richardson, Publishing Director of The Right Book Company. In this episode, Sue reflects on discovering a love of books from an early age, the benefits of having a “mindful addiction” and refines her definition of spirituality.

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Mark Cuddigan: “Leadership: The Ultimate Perk!"

Wed, 04 Dec 2024 05:00:24 GMT

In episode five of the 4th Bottom Line, host Paul Hargreaves is joined by Mark Cuddigan, CEO of THIS and former CEO of Ella’s Kitchen. In this deeply impactful conversation, Mark discusses the experiences that have shaped him, an inspirational LinkedIn post about his Dad that went viral and getting better at putting things into perspective.

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Michelle Mills-Porter: “How the Tsunami Changed my life”

Wed, 27 Nov 2024 05:00:56 GMT

Episode four of the Fourth Bottom Line sees host Paul Hargreaves joined by Michelle Mills-Porter, Creator and Founder of The People Reader Ltd and National President of Professional Speaking Association. In a fascinating conversation, Michelle discusses her experiences as a Tsunami survivor, the importance of stripping away the hierarchy, and why she is so passionate about helping people to understand the magnificence within them.

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Duncan Goose: “The Things That Create Fire in You”

Wed, 20 Nov 2024 05:00:06 GMT

In episode three of the 4th Bottom Line, host Paul Hargreaves is joined by Duncan Goose, Founder of One Water and The One Foundation. Duncan and Paul discuss spirituality and serendipity, how Duncan’s two-year motorbike trip shaped and inspired the One brand and the resilience that comes from witnessing the effects of a devastating drought in Northern Kenya.

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Chloe Bullock: “Shouting About It”

Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:00:19 GMT

In this episode of the 4th Bottom Line, host Paul Hargreaves is joined by Chloe Bullock, Director and Designer at Materialise. In another fascinating conversation, Chloe and Paul discuss taking the first leap when setting up your own business, the invaluable benefits of buddhism and being in nature, and the reasons that drive Chloe’s passion for people, planet and animals.

If you want to learn more about Paul’s work, follow him on LinkedIn www.linkedin.com/in/paulwhargreaves , visit www.paulhargreaves.co.uk or look out for his two books – Forces for Good and The Fourth Bottom Line.

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Wilfred Emmanuel-Jones MBE: “Beware of Fearmongers”

Wed, 06 Nov 2024 05:00:49 GMT

The first episode of the 4th Bottom Line sees host Paul Hargreaves joined by Wilfred Emmanuel-Jones, aka The Black Farmer. In this open and honest conversation, Wilfred discusses why he welcomes failure and adversity, the life changing perspective gained after a battle with leukaemia and warns against fear mongers.

If you want to learn more about Paul’s work, follow him on LinkedIn www.linkedin.com/in/paulwhargreaves , visit www.paulhargreaves.co.uk or look out for his two books – Forces for Good and The Fourth Bottom Line.

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Trailer: 4th Bottom Line

Wed, 23 Oct 2024 12:22:21 GMT

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