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The Chief Constable vs the MP

Tue, 14 Apr 2026 03:00:00 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Liz have the unprecedented intervention of Cheshire Police Chief Constable Mark Roberts in the ongoing debate about Lucy Letby. In a letter he has accused the MP David Davis of misleading parliament and spreading misinformation about the force's investigation into Lucy Letby. It comes after Mr Davis spoke in the House of Commons two weeks ago claiming Cheshire Police and the Crown Prosecution Service had not followed proper procedures in their investigation. But the MP has now been told to correct the record and accused of failing to fact check.

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EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: The Nottingham Inquiry - “I am not going to stop till we get justice”

Mon, 13 Apr 2026 04:00:00 GMT

This is a preview of the latest Trial+ episode; The Nottingham Inquiry - “I am not going to stop till we get justice”. The full episode is available exclusively to Crime Desk subscribers. To find out more, visit https://plus.thecrimedesk.com/

In June 2023, a series of unthinkable attacks in Nottingham killed three people and left three others seriously injured.

Students Grace O’Malley-Kumar and Barnaby Webber were fatally stabbed as they walked home from a night out. The attacker then went on to kill school caretaker Ian Coates and steal his van, which was later used to drive into pedestrians in the city centre.

The man responsible, Valdo Calocane, had previously been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. He was later given an indefinite hospital order after admitting manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility.

Before the public inquiry into the Nottingham Attacks is due to restart, Caroline and Ryan are joined by Grace’s father, Sanjoy Kumar. With his experience as a GP and a forensic medical examiner, he describes a series of missed opportunities across multiple agencies, including police and mental health services, arguing that warning signs were repeatedly overlooked.

He says that the Nottingham Attacks were totally avoidable- and is determined to get justice for his daughter.

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Driven to Death? - Who to Believe

Fri, 10 Apr 2026 12:28:34 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the FINAL episode of the podcast before the jury start to consider their verdict. And it was a dramatic spectacle of two legal titans battling it out in court. The prosecution say Chris Trybus was a wife-beater who lied that he knew nothing about his wife’s injuries, and his violence was the “dark cloud” Tarryn referred to in her suicide note. While the defence say this entire prosecution should serve as a warning to all men that they are at risk from false allegations, and this trial is agenda-driven and relies on a fallacy that women who say they are victims of domestic violence are always telling the truth.

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Driven to Death? - Back in the Box

Tue, 07 Apr 2026 05:00:00 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the surprising moment Chris Trybus was called back into the witness box. Plus we have a special update and an extraordinary interview on The Trial of Social Media which recently ended in LA.

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Driven to Death? - “She was desperate for help.”

Fri, 03 Apr 2026 13:17:10 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence from a Psychiatrist who said Tarryn Baird was “desperate for help” but she felt rejected by mental health services. Dr Philip Joseph said Tarryn was so ill she should have been sectioned. We also hear from colleagues of Chris Trybus who confirm he was abroad with work when his wife said he attacked her.

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Driven to Death? - “No Comment”

Tue, 31 Mar 2026 11:33:06 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the dramatic and at times combative exchanges in court as Chris Trybus defended himself against charges of manslaughter, rape and coercive control. He was taken to task by Tom Little KC who said his wife had accused him of being a wife beater and a rapist. And he was asked if he’d removed messages on his phone because they were incriminating. Chris Trybus said he was shocked by his wife’s accusations and he couldn’t reconcile them with his memories.

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EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: Lucy Letby - The Letby Effect

Mon, 30 Mar 2026 05:00:00 GMT

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In this episode, Caroline and Liz speak with neonatologist Dr Sandie Bohin, an expert witness in the Lucy Letby trial.

Since giving evidence, she has faced online harassment and a “campaign of misinformation” that upended her life— but she continues to stand by her testimony.

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Driven to Death? - Bully or Betrayed

Fri, 27 Mar 2026 13:08:19 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Nick have more of the evidence from Chris Trybus, the man on trial. During his third day in the witness box he said he never abused his wife, Tarryn Baird, and he now felt “betrayed” by her allegations. He also said again that he was out of the country on two of the occasions she said he’d beaten her. He also said he was baffled to find out that during a romantic holiday in Scotland, Tarryn sent an email to a domestic violence advisor saying their relationship was “increasingly difficult” and she knew she had to leave him.

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Meta and Google DID cause harm

Thu, 26 Mar 2026 00:51:51 GMT

In this emergency episode Caroline and Liz have the landmark verdict in Los Angeles that social media companies knew their platforms were addictive. The jury found that Meta and Google harmed a young user with design features that were addictive and led to her mental health distress. The judgement is being called big tech’s “tobacco moment” because it’s likely to open the doors for more claims.

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Driven to Death? - The Husband

Tue, 24 Mar 2026 21:12:12 GMT

In this episode Chris Trybus tells his story. Giving evidence in his own defence for the first time he denied ever hurting his wife. In fact he he loved Tarryn Baird dearly. He said they had a very ordinary marriage apart from their sex life which he admitted was kinky and spicy. He said dealing with Tarryn’s death was the hardest thing he’d ever faced and he said his happy memories of their marriage had been tainted by her allegations.

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Driven to Death? - The Best Friend

Fri, 20 Mar 2026 14:07:45 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the words of Tarryn’s best friend. Carina Silva told the jury in Winchester Tarryn became a “hollow shell” after suffering abuse at the hands of her husband. She said Tarryn started drinking herself to sleep after she claimed Chris Trybus raped her. But Carina Silva was accused of lying - of making up some of her evidence. And she was challenged on why, if she was so concerned about Tarryn, she hadn’t gone to the police sooner.

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Driven to Death? - The Diary

Tue, 17 Mar 2026 13:55:53 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the words Tarryn Baird wrote in her diaries in the months before she died. We also have the evidence from a psychiatric nurse who said Tarryn told her she felt trapped in a prison. We also now know the emergency mental health service discharged her 8 days before she died by suicide.

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EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: The Nottingham Inquiry - “I believe they were murdered"

Sat, 14 Mar 2026 06:00:00 GMT

In June 2023, a series of unthinkable attacks in Nottingham killed three people and left three others seriously injured.

Students Barnaby Webber and Grace O’Malley-Kumar were fatally stabbed as they walked home from a night out. The attacker then went on to kill school caretaker Ian Coates and steal his van, which was later used to drive into pedestrians in the city centre.

Now, a public inquiry is examining whether the tragedy could have been prevented.

In the first episode of this series, Caroline and Ryan speak to Emma Webber, Barnaby’s mother, about the first weeks of the Nottingham Inquiry. She describes the long fight by the families to secure the inquiry, the disturbing evidence emerging about missed opportunities to stop the attacker, and why she and the other families remain determined to push for accountability and meaningful change.

In the second episode of this series, Caroline speaks to former senior police officer David Gilbertson, to discuss what the inquiry has revealed so far; multiple assaults, accounts of stalking and an arrest warrant that went unexecuted for ten months.

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Driven to Death? - “Reliving a Nightmare”

Fri, 13 Mar 2026 14:49:33 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the emotional evidence from Tarryn Baird’s mum who said she’d been living a nightmare ever since her daughter died. Michelle Baird said Tarryn had started to withdraw from her family in the months before she took her life and she blamed her frequent bruises on falling over. Michelle Baird also said Chris Trybus told her Tarryn “couldn’t stop” drinking and taking prescription medication and she also told of what she witnessed whenever Chris worked from home.

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Driven to Death? - The Bruises

Tue, 10 Mar 2026 16:36:13 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence from two senior medical experts who say the injuries on Tarryn Baird’s body were unlikely to be self inflicted. The UKs leading expert in bruises also said the marks on her abdomen were similar to injuries she’d seen in car crashes. And a forensic pathologist said the chances of Tarryn being able to inflict them on herself were “vanishingly small”.

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Driven to Death? - Tarryn's Final Hours

Fri, 06 Mar 2026 13:11:29 GMT

In this episode we hear the devastating final words of Tarryn Baird in the hours and minutes before she took her own life. In a series of recordings played to the jury she can be heard asking for help with suicidal thoughts, but by the time police arrived at her home it was too late. We also heard another tape which the prosecution say is a secret recording of Tarryn being raped by her husband, Chris Trybus, but he says what’s on the tape is consensual sex. A number of the witnesses in court this week were openly emotional as they explained how they tried to help Tarryn.

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Driven to Death? - The “Disconnects”

Tue, 03 Mar 2026 15:26:17 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence which the jury were told casts doubt on some of abuse Tarryn Baird says she was suffering at the hands of her husband. It’s been claimed in court that Chris Trybus was out of the country when some of the attacks took place, and that Tarryn bought a camera which she said he planted to spy on her. But we’ve also heard from her domestic violence advisor that she had bruises and she was too afraid to leave him.

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Driven to Death? - Do No Harm

Fri, 27 Feb 2026 12:48:15 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the medical evidence from Tarryn Baird’s GP who she saw or spoke to over 100 times in two years. The notes showed she reported repeated beatings, assaults with a rope and rape at the hands of her husband, Christopher Trybus. Time and time again she was urged to end the relationship, but she said she was terrified he would find her, and it was more dangerous to leave than to stay. He argues the allegations are lies, and during one month when he’d allegedly attacked her more than once, evidence proved he wasn’t even in the country.

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Trial Update: Driven To Death? - The Defence Case - “false allegations”

Wed, 25 Feb 2026 15:26:34 GMT

In this special update episode Caroline and Nick have an insight into what Christopher Trybus will say in his defence in this trial. He claims his wife made up allegations of domestic violence and coercive control, and far from abusing Tarryn Baird he cherished her deeply. He will also say her death was not a deliberate suicide attempt, but a cry for help which went wrong.

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Driven To Death? - I Am Now Free

Tue, 24 Feb 2026 19:49:12 GMT

Was a woman driven to kill herself after being allegedly abused by her husband? That is the question at the centre of a landmark trial which Caroline and Nick will be covering in a new Trial UK series.

In this episode we hear that Tarryn Baird was 34 when she was found hanged in her garage - the prosecution say she killed herself because she was desperate to escape the violent, controlling abuse her husband subjected her to - and that makes him responsible for her death.

Christopher Trybus is facing charges of manslaughter, rape and coercive control. He denies the charges and says the allegations are false.

A jury will now decide.

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EXCLUSIVE TRAILER: Lucy Letby - Debunking Her Expert Panel

Tue, 24 Feb 2026 00:00:00 GMT

In February last year Lucy Letby’s new defence team told a press conference there was no medical evidence of air embolism in the babies she murdered and attacked. Professor Shoo Lee said he had studied all the literature to make his claim.

But today we hear his claim was wrong. And the literature to prove it was there all the time.

In this episode, Neonatologist Professor Paul Clark explains why what Lucy Letby’s expert panel said is wrong. Using old and new case studies, he debunks what is currently the cornerstone of Lucy Letby’s defence.

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The Trial of Social Media

Fri, 20 Feb 2026 13:11:04 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Liz get an insight from a lawyer with a ringside seat of the moment this week when Meta boss Mark Zuckerberg walked into a US courtroom to face the users of his platform who say using social media ruined their lives. They claim he knew the technology was addictive and it was part of his business model to make money at the expense of the mental health of a generation of young people. The case is likely to have huge implications in the UK so we also get the thoughts of Esther Ghey, who has campaigned tirelessly to better protect young people online, since the death of her daughter Brianna three years ago.

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The Nursery Paedophile

Fri, 13 Feb 2026 11:43:23 GMT

Depraved, perverted and wicked - the words used to describe Vincent Chan as he was sentenced to 18 years in prison for abusing the children he was caring for. In this episode Caroline and Ryan have the details of how he used his job working in a nursery and in a school in London to prey on defenceless toddlers and children. He sexually assaulted them and he filmed it - storing the videos and images in files at his home. He also targeted other children and adults too - using a secret camera to record his female friends when they used the bathroom in his home, and he filmed complete strangers through their windows as they undressed. His crimes have devastated hundreds of people who are asking if he could have been stopped earlier.

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Cold Case Killer - A Police Blunder To Beggar Belief

Fri, 06 Feb 2026 19:29:56 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Jack reveal the catalogue of police blunders which may have left the serial killer Steve Wright free to murder five women in Ipswich and raises questions about whether his latest victim, Vicky Hall, could have been saved too. A judge demanded today that Suffolk Police investigate what went wrong, after it emerged police ignored key evidence from another woman who reported Steve Wright tried to kidnap her the night before he succeeded in abducting and murdering 17-year-old Vicky in 1999. Steve Wright, who is known as The Suffolk Strangler, was then handed a life sentence with a minimum of 40 years for the cold case killing.

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Cold Case Killer - How Many More?

Tue, 03 Feb 2026 16:09:17 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Jack have an exclusive interview with Criminologist Professor David Wilson. In 2008 he predicted that serial killer Steve Wright had murdered Vicky Hall years before. She was aged just 17 when she was kidnapped and murdered in 1999. It took Wright 18 years but yesterday at the Old Bailey he finally admitted it.

Today we chat to David about why he was so sure Steve Wright had killed before and if there might be more victims.

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Cold Case Killer - 20 Years On, A Sixth Victim Confirmed

Mon, 02 Feb 2026 16:38:31 GMT

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the dramatic first day of the trial of serial killer Steve Wright, also known as the Suffolk Strangler, for a cold case murder in 1999. Wright was convicted of murdering five women in Ipswich in 2006 and today he pleaded guilty to the kidnap and murder of 17-year-old Victoria Wood and the attempted kidnap of another woman seven years earlier. It is the first time he has ever admitted to any of his killings. The episode features all the latest from court as well as the questions the case raises about how many other victims Wright may have killed.

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Lucy Letby - More Legal Questions

Thu, 22 Jan 2026 16:15:19 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Liz interview senior barrister Tim Owen KC about the news that Lucy Letby will not be facing more charges. We also have an insight into the latest documentary on her case which will be on Netflix on Feb 4.

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Lucy Letby - Project Countess

Wed, 21 Jan 2026 15:46:07 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Liz sit down with Dr Susan Gilby in her first interview since she was awarded £1.4 million from the NHS. Dr Gilby was appointed CEO of the Countess of Chester Hospital just after Lucy Letby was arrested, but she was then forced to resign. And then she discovered a secret plot named Project Countess had been set up to get rid of her. It's an extraordinary interview about whistleblowing, conspiracy and the shocking waste of tax payers money.

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Lucy Letby - No More Charges

Tue, 20 Jan 2026 16:12:04 GMT

In this emergency episode Caroline and Liz have the news that Lucy Letby will not be charged with more offences. While detectives felt there was enough evidence to charge her with 11 offences - two of murder and nine of attempted murder, the CPS disagreed. So what does it mean?

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The Liverpool Parade - Rampage at the parade

Tue, 16 Dec 2025 18:15:56 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you the sentence of Paul Doyle and play for the first time some of the shocking dashcam footage that sealed his fate.

They detail how he spent time in jail as a much younger man for a serious violent offence and how his reputation now lies in tatters.

They also speak to a mother and her son, who were caught up in the carnage, and who helped rescue fans trapped beneath Paul Doyle’s Ford Galaxy.

And they bring you an interview with hero Dan Barr, the former soldier and supporter who ran towards danger to bring the car to a stop and who has been commended for his bravery.

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The Liverpool Parade - Two Minutes of Carnage

Mon, 15 Dec 2025 19:00:41 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Liz reveal the reason Paul Doyle changed his pleas to guilty - his own dashcam footage. The footage was played in court today and it captured the crucial 2 minutes when he rammed his car into 134 people. Some bounced off his bonnet while others were dragged under the wheels. Many of his victims were in court and they gasped as they saw the carnage he inflicted in just a few seconds.

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The Liverpool Parade - Why did he do it?

Fri, 12 Dec 2025 06:00:00 GMT

Why did Paul Doyle lose control and smash his car into dozens of people as they celebrated Liverpool FC’s league cup win? In this episode, ahead of his sentencing hearing next week Caroline and Liz sit down with Criminologist and former Prison Governor Professor David Wilson who has a possible explanation.

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Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped? - "Not in My Name"

Mon, 08 Dec 2025 12:19:09 GMT

In this third special episode about Government plans to scrap thousands of jury trials Caroline and Liz chat to a survivor of child sexual abuse. Vicki Crawford spent years believing she was culpable for the abuse she suffered at the hands of her sister's older boyfriend when she was just 14, and when she finally did seek justice decades later her experience was one of inefficiency, push back and delay. But despite this, she told us, the jury system is a fundamental right in a democratic system and should be retained at all costs. She also questioned if the Justice Secretary David Lammy had spoken to survivors of sexual violence before he tried to push through his reforms.

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Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped? - The Verdict on Jury Reform

Wed, 03 Dec 2025 11:02:32 GMT

After David Lammy yesterday unveiled his proposals to scrap thousands of jury trials Caroline and Liz have the verdict from one of the country’s top barristers. Chris Henley KC said the Justice Secretary’s plans showed “contempt for ordinary people.” He said the issues in the court system which cause unacceptable delays are “embarrassing” but the jury system was not one of the problems. He also said trust in the justice system would be undermined.

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Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped?

Mon, 01 Dec 2025 13:50:14 GMT

Should juries be scrapped? In this special bonus episode Caroline and Liz investigate leaked plans from the justice secretary to abolish jury trials for the majority of cases. It would be a fundamental change to our justice system. And it’s not gone down well.

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The Liverpool Parade - Road Rage

Wed, 26 Nov 2025 17:50:15 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Liz have the reason football fans were knocked down “like skittles” by a former marine. It was road rage. Paul Doyle was driving through the city as dozens of people celebrated Liverpool FCs League title, but he grew agitated that families wouldn’t get out of his way and he ploughed into them in his Ford Galaxy. Today as he dramatically changed his pleas to guilty we have all the details from the court.

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The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Why?”

Fri, 07 Nov 2025 18:18:36 GMT

Guilty of harassment but Not Guilty of stalking. That’s the jury’s verdict today on Julia Wandelt’s “relentless” pursuit of the parents of Madeleine McCann. It means she could soon be released from prison and likely deported back to Poland. In this episode Caroline and Claire have all the reactions from the court, including how the McCanns said they hoped she can now get the care and support she needs. Plus we have an interview with Julia Wandelt’s father who told us how damaged she was after she was abused by her step-grandfather and he feels - like the McCanns - that he has also lost his daughter.

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The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Crack Pots” and “Nutters”

Tue, 04 Nov 2025 17:42:34 GMT

Today Caroline and Claire have the moment the police investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was accused of being in a state of “almost inertia”. The barrister for Karen Spragg said Julia Wandelt was treated like a “nutter” by the police when she said she might be Madeleine McCann, and they should have taken her DNA sooner. The jury were also told that people who were concerned about Madeleine’s abduction were not all “crack pots”.

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The McCann 'Stalkers' - The end of the “charade”

Fri, 31 Oct 2025 13:53:00 GMT

In this episode Julia Wandelt accuses Gerry McCann of being involved in the abduction of his daughter Madeleine. She also says he has silenced his wife Kate and she claims officers from The Met may also have threatened her. She said she feels vulnerable since telling her story because people “don’t want the truth to come out.” But, in the final day of her giving evidence, she was accused of fabricating evidence and of creating a charade.

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The McCann 'Stalkers' - The ‘Stalker’s’ Story

Tue, 28 Oct 2025 17:05:28 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Claire have the words of Julia Wandelt as she gave evidence for the first time in her defence. She told the jury she wouldn’t have pursued the McCanns if they’d just done a DNA test. It’s also now emerged she was being advised on her media strategy by a publicist in the UK and a Psychic in the US.

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A hello and update from Caroline & Liz

Mon, 27 Oct 2025 14:26:55 GMT

It's been a while since Caroline & Liz had time to catch up and say hello to you all, and with the launch of our exciting new Crime Desk newsletter, thought now was as good a time as any!

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The McCann Stalkers - “I’m not a nasty person”

Fri, 24 Oct 2025 14:47:38 GMT

In this episode we have the words of the two women on trial. Julia Wandelt told police she was the victim and Karen Spragg accused the McCanns of organising the abduction of their daughter Madeleine. She also said she wasn’t a nasty person.

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High School Stabbing - Harvey’s Killer Named and Jailed

Wed, 22 Oct 2025 19:55:02 GMT

The killer of schoolboy Harvey Willgoose has been named and jailed. Umar Khan was 15 when he stabbed Harvey during the school lunch break in February this year. Today, as he was sent to prison for 16 years, his identity was revealed for the first time. In this episode Caroline and Jack have all the details from Sheffield Crown Court.

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The McCann Stalkers - The Chats with Chat GPT

Tue, 21 Oct 2025 15:47:12 GMT

Today Caroline and Claire have the evidence that Julia Wandelt had to be convinced she was not two other missing children before she decided she was Madeleine McCann. We also have the evidence from a forensic expert who said her DNA proved she was not Madeleine and we have what Chat GPT told her when she asked if she might be Gerry McCann’s daughter.

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The McCann 'Stalkers' - The DNA Evidence

Fri, 17 Oct 2025 11:19:30 GMT

Join Caroline and Claire today for the evidence which the jury have been told is the “conclusive proof” Julia Wandelt is not Madeleine McCann - her DNA. We also have the evidence from two friends of the McCanns who were in Portugal when Madeleine was snatched, who say they were also asked by Julia Wandelt to help her get to the McCanns. And we have some of the details on the man who is the “prime suspect” in Madeleine’s abduction.

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The McCann 'Stalkers' - “I’m not a Liar”

Tue, 14 Oct 2025 17:00:25 GMT

Join Caroline and Claire as the jury in Leicester are told for the first time that Julia Wandelt’s DNA was tested and proved she is not Madeleine McCann. In today’s episode we also have the dozens of voice messages and texts she was sending to Kate McCann.

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The McCann 'Stalkers' - The “relentless” stalking of Kate McCann

Fri, 10 Oct 2025 11:34:29 GMT

Join Caroline and Claire as they bring you the latest from the trial of the McCann “stalkers”. In this episode we’ve got the evidence of Kate and Gerry McCann who said the actions of the two women on trial were relentless and distressing. Gerry also said the family still have a glimmer of hope that Madelaine is still alive and Julia Wandelt could have put the investigation at risk. We also have the moment that Julia Wandelt screamed at Kate McCann “why are you doing this to me.”

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The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Emotional Blackmail of the Highest Order”

Tue, 07 Oct 2025 19:17:57 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Claire have the moment the court in Leicester were told two women accused of stalking Madeleine McCann’s family accosted them at the family home. They also joked about riffling through their bins. The prosecution say Julia Wandelt used emotional blackmail to try to convince the family she was Madeleine.

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The McCann 'Stalkers' - “She is not Madeleine”

Mon, 06 Oct 2025 20:04:00 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Claire have the opening day of trial of two women accused of stalking the family of Madeleine McCann. Julie Wandelt is accused of pursuing the family by email, call and text claiming to be their missing daughter who was abducted from Portugal in 2007. Karen Sprat is also accused of adopting her claims “with gusto”. Today as the case began Julia Wandelt broke down into loud sobs as the jury were told she was categorically “not Madeleine.”

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Lucy Letby: Conviction

Fri, 26 Sep 2025 08:08:28 GMT

In this episode Liz and Caroline speak to Danny Bogado, the director of a new Channel 4 documentary called Conviction: The Lucy Letby Case. They discuss why he wanted to make a film on the case, how he recruited contributors and why he feels it is important that audiences make up their own minds about her guilt or innocence.

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Lucy Letby’s Expert Witness

Fri, 19 Sep 2025 05:00:00 GMT

Dr Mike Hall was Lucy’s Letby’s key expert witness. But he was never called to give evidence at either of her trials. Caroline and Liz now ask him why. Search: The Trial of Lucy Letby: The Inquiry

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High School Stabbing - The Intermediary

Tue, 12 Aug 2025 14:48:22 GMT

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you an exclusive interview with the woman who acted as the intermediary for the boy convicted of murdering Harvey Willgoose.

Lucy Swindlehurst reveals the influence she had on the way the trial was conducted, with her colleague Paula Backen giving insight into how intemediaries operate in the court system.

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High School Stabbing - Guilty

Fri, 08 Aug 2025 12:11:27 GMT

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the verdict from Sheffield Crown Court - guilty.

The 15-year-old defendant was convicted following 14 hours 34 minutes of deliberation by a majority of 11 to one. The episode also features an exclusive interview with Harvey’s mother Caroline.

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High School Stabbing - Over to the Jury

Tue, 05 Aug 2025 14:51:00 GMT

The jury in the trial of the killer of Harvey Willgoose are now considering their verdict.

They’ve heard all of the evidence and the decision on whether the 15 year old boy on trial is guilty of murder or manslaughter now rests with them. In this episode Caroline and Jack have the final instructions the judge gave them before she told them to start their deliberations.

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High School Stabbing - ‘There was a name’

Fri, 01 Aug 2025 15:31:41 GMT

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the closing arguments from the defence and prosecution before the jury retire to consider their verdicts.

Prosecutor Richard Thyne KC said the defendant did not suffer from a loss of self-control when he stabbed Harvey Willgoose, but displayed purposeful and controlled aggression as an act of retribution.

Gul Nawaz Hussain KC, for the defence, said the evidence clearly showed the defendant was in intense fear in the weeks leading up to the attack - and Harvey was simply the final straw that broke him.

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High School Stabbing - ‘You got worked up in rage’

Tue, 29 Jul 2025 13:44:06 GMT

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the cross-examination of the boy accused of murdering Harvey Willgoose.

He is questioned about the witness accounts of teachers and pupils who saw him acting like he had a knife before the stabbing and the prosecution put its case to him - that he did not lose control when he killed Harvey, but got worked up into a rage.

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High School Stabbing - Anatomy of a Stabbing

Fri, 25 Jul 2025 12:57:16 GMT

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the moment the boy accused of murdering Harvey Willgoose describes the fatal stabbing.

He claims he only pulled out a knife because he was scared he would get stabbed himself and told a jury he now has no memory of the moment he dealt the deadly blow.

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High School Stabbing - ‘I’ve got a bad feeling about today’

Tue, 22 Jul 2025 10:51:17 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Jack bring you the latest evidence of the boy accused of murdering 15-year-old old Harvey Willgoose, as he tells the court he bought the “scary-looking” knife used in the attack because he was worried about being jumped.

He also claimed that Harvey had threatened to stab him on the morning of the killing and described how he had not wanted to back down in a recent social media argument because he was afraid of being called a coward.

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High School Stabbing - ‘I’m upset all the time’

Fri, 18 Jul 2025 13:09:26 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Jack bring you the side of the story the teenage boy accused of murdering Harvey Willgoose told the jury during the trial.

He described how he was the victim of bullying since as far back as primary school, which led him to develop anger issues he struggled to control.

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High School Stabbing - ‘It was me or him’

Tue, 15 Jul 2025 12:14:18 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Jack have what the teenage boy on trial said in the moments after he stabbed Harvey Willgoose.

He told police he had the knife for his own protection because he thought he was going to get jumped. He said he was protecting himself.

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Constance Marten and Mark Gordon - The Verdict

Mon, 14 Jul 2025 20:54:31 GMT

In January 2023, Constance Marten and Mark Gordon went on the run with their newborn baby Victoria. After a nationwide hunt, the couple were found. Two days later, so was the body of Victoria.

Last year a jury found the pair guilty of concealing the birth of a child and perverting the course of justice. However, unable to reach a verdict on the charge of manslaughter, the jury was discharged. Constance Marten and Mark Gordon have faced a retrial on this charge, and today, we finally have the verdict.

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Trailer: Constance Marten and Mark Gordon - The Verdict

Mon, 14 Jul 2025 16:05:31 GMT

In January 2023, Constance Marten and Mark Gordon went on the run with their newborn baby Victoria. After a nationwide hunt, the couple were found. Two days later, so was the body of Victoria.

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High School Stabbing - 'I can’t control it’

Fri, 11 Jul 2025 14:05:13 GMT

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the evidence of several teachers who have described the horrifying moment they found 15-year-old Harvey Willgoose had been fatally injured in the school courtyard.

The trial also heard that the boy accused of murdering him had a history of being bullied over a medical issue and that he told the headteacher he only brought a knife to school that day because he was scared for his safety.

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High School Stabbing - ‘He carried knives’

Tue, 08 Jul 2025 12:49:31 GMT

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the first of the pupils to give evidence at the trial of the teenager accused of murdering Harvey Willgoose at a school in Sheffield.

One friend of Harvey's told police that the defendant was known to bring weapons into school - and claimed the boy had once asked him to feel the outline of an axe hidden in his trousers.

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High School Stabbing - “I lost it”

Fri, 04 Jul 2025 11:01:25 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Jack hear from the teachers at the school where Harvey Willgoose was killed.

He was described as a cheeky pupil who never crossed the line and in the hours before he died, he joked that nobody would stab him.

The pupil from the same school accused of his murder says he lost control after suffering long-term bullying, violence and poor treatment.

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High School Stabbing - Killed on Camera

Tue, 01 Jul 2025 16:40:15 GMT

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the prosecution opening in the trial of a 15-year-old accused of murdering a fellow pupil, Harvey Willgoose, at a school in Sheffield in February 2025.

The attack happened in the school courtyard just minutes into the lunch break. The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, has admitted Harvey’s manslaughter, but denies murder - saying he suffered from a loss of control which his lawyers have claimed was the end result of a long period of bullying.

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Kim Kardashian - Is this Justice?

Fri, 23 May 2025 21:38:00 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the verdicts of the gang accused of the armed heist on Kim Kardashian. Spoiler alert - none of them are going to prison.

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Kim Kardashian - The Crime and The Punishment

Thu, 22 May 2025 11:56:00 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the final words from the lawyers of the victims in the case.

We heard how Kim Kardashian’s life and liberty have been changed forever, and the jury were also urged not to forget the “forgotten victims” in the case - her friend Simone and the Concierge. We also heard the state prosecutor ask the judge to send the men she alleges are the key players to prison for 10 years.

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Kim Kardashian - “The Mastermind”

Mon, 19 May 2025 16:24:00 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence from the alleged “mastermind” of the armed robbery of Kim Kardashian.

He says he was involved in the heist but it wasn’t his idea and he did none of the planning. He claims a man known as X was in charge.

We also have the evidence from another defendant who said he was aware of the Hollywood actor Kim Basinger but said he didn’t know who Kim Kardashian was.

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Kim Kardashian - The Gangster Lunch

Fri, 16 May 2025 15:07:00 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the testimony of the people on trial. Only two of the ten admit being involved in the armed robbery of Kim Kardashian, and it’s now their turn to persuade the court they are telling the truth.

We also have the evidence of the man who wrote the book called “I Kidnapped Kim Kardashian” and we heard about a Gangster’s Lunch where members of the gang allegedly got paid.

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Kim Kardashian - “It was Terror”

Tue, 13 May 2025 20:35:00 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the moment Kim Kardashian entered a Paris courtroom, faced the alleged gangsters who are accused of robbing her at gun point, and told one of them she forgave him.

It was an extraordinary day in court as we heard of the trauma she still suffers after that heist nine years ago.

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Kim Kardashian - The Bodyguard

Thu, 08 May 2025 15:30:00 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence of Kim Kardashian’s bodyguard. He told of the moment he raced back to the hotel when he realised something was wrong.

He was asked why he wasn’t with her and he said there was only budget for one bodyguard and he had to protect her sister Kourtney in a nightclub.

He said with hindsight one bodyguard was not enough.

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Kim Kardashian - The Ringleaders

Mon, 05 May 2025 17:04:00 GMT

In today’s episode Caroline and Nick hear how the police started to track down the gang responsible for stealing $10 million in jewellery from Kim Kardashian.

How they tracked their phones, and then followed them to Antwerp as they tried to sell the haul.

We also now have the full list of everything she had stolen including jewellery she wore on her teeth. Ten people are accused of being involved in the heist. Many of them are in their 60s and 70s and described as the Grandpa Robbers.

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Kim Kardashian - The Personalities

Thu, 01 May 2025 17:29:00 GMT

In 2016 Kim Kardashian was the victim of an armed heist when she attended Paris Fashion Week.

She was bound, gagged and held at gun-point by a gang who stole around $10 million worth of jewellery.

In today’s episode Caroline and Nick start to hear about some of the people who are on trial accused of being involved; the alleged ring leader, the career criminals, and the celebrity fixer.

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Kim Kardashian - The "Facts"

Mon, 28 Apr 2025 20:58:00 GMT

In 2016 Kim Kardashian was the victim of an armed heist when she attended Paris Fashion Week.

She was bound, gagged and held at gun-point by a gang who stole around $10 million worth of jewellery.

Ten people have now gone on trial accused of being involved and in this episode Caroline and Nick Fagge have the opening day of the case from the courtroom in Paris.

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Three trials. Three continents. Here’s what’s coming up next week.

Fri, 25 Apr 2025 17:54:00 GMT

Next week, The Trial returns, taking you inside three of the most explosive legal battles playing out across the globe.

In the U.S.A., music mogul Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs stands accused of multiple charges including sex trafficking and racketeering, which he strongly denies. We'll be on the ground, reporting the facts as his trial unfolds in New York.

In Australia, Erin Patterson will stand trial, accused of three counts of murder and one count of attempted murder, after allegedly serving poisonous mushrooms to her ex-husband’s family members. We’ll be reporting from the courtroom in Morwell, Victoria as the case plays out.

And in Paris, the men accused of robbing Kim Kardashian at gunpoint in 2016 finally stand trial. We’ll be there, reporting every detail as it happens.

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The Trial of Diddy

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The Inquiry - Over to the CCRC

Thu, 03 Apr 2025 16:55:00 GMT

In this episode Caroline and Liz have the latest on Lucy Letby’s defence case after her barrister Mark McDonald hand delivered the evidence which he says proves her convictions are unsafe, to the Criminal Cases Review Commission. So we sent Liz to have a chat with him.

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Introducing The Trial of Erin Patterson

Wed, 18 Sep 2024 06:01:00 GMT

The following is a sample of our brand new series 'The Trial of Erin Patterson'.

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Australian mother-of-two, Erin Patterson, has been charged with three counts of murder and five counts of attempted murder after allegedly serving poisonous mushrooms to her ex husband’s family members.

In July of 2023, Gail Patterson, Don Patterson and Heather Wilkinson all died, and Ian Wilkinson was left fighting for life after eating Beef Wellington served at a family lunch.

Four counts of attempting to murder her former husband from preceding years have also been added to the charge sheet.

In this episode broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham and Melbourne based correspondent, Wayne Flowers discuss the case and the tight reporting restrictions in place in the run up to the trial which is set for 28th April 2025.

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Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance

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The Trial

The Chief Constable vs the MP

EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: The Nottingham Inquiry - “I am not going to stop till we get justice”

Driven to Death? - Who to Believe

Driven to Death? - Back in the Box

Driven to Death? - “She was desperate for help.”

Driven to Death? - “No Comment”

EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: Lucy Letby - The Letby Effect

Driven to Death? - Bully or Betrayed

Meta and Google DID cause harm

Driven to Death? - The Husband

Driven to Death? - The Best Friend

Driven to Death? - The Diary

EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: The Nottingham Inquiry - “I believe they were murdered"

Driven to Death? - “Reliving a Nightmare”

Driven to Death? - The Bruises

Driven to Death? - Tarryn's Final Hours

Driven to Death? - The “Disconnects”

Driven to Death? - Do No Harm

Trial Update: Driven To Death? - The Defence Case - “false allegations”

Driven To Death? - I Am Now Free

EXCLUSIVE TRAILER: Lucy Letby - Debunking Her Expert Panel

The Trial of Social Media

The Nursery Paedophile

Cold Case Killer - A Police Blunder To Beggar Belief

Cold Case Killer - How Many More?

Cold Case Killer - 20 Years On, A Sixth Victim Confirmed

Lucy Letby - More Legal Questions

Lucy Letby - Project Countess

Lucy Letby - No More Charges

The Liverpool Parade - Rampage at the parade

The Liverpool Parade - Two Minutes of Carnage

The Liverpool Parade - Why did he do it?

Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped? - "Not in My Name"

Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped? - The Verdict on Jury Reform

Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped?

The Liverpool Parade - Road Rage

The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Why?”

The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Crack Pots” and “Nutters”

The McCann 'Stalkers' - The end of the “charade”

The McCann 'Stalkers' - The ‘Stalker’s’ Story

A hello and update from Caroline & Liz

The McCann Stalkers - “I’m not a nasty person”

High School Stabbing - Harvey’s Killer Named and Jailed

The McCann Stalkers - The Chats with Chat GPT

The McCann 'Stalkers' - The DNA Evidence

The McCann 'Stalkers' - “I’m not a Liar”

The McCann 'Stalkers' - The “relentless” stalking of Kate McCann

The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Emotional Blackmail of the Highest Order”

The McCann 'Stalkers' - “She is not Madeleine”

Lucy Letby: Conviction

Lucy Letby’s Expert Witness

High School Stabbing - The Intermediary

High School Stabbing - Guilty

High School Stabbing - Over to the Jury

High School Stabbing - ‘There was a name’

High School Stabbing - ‘You got worked up in rage’

High School Stabbing - Anatomy of a Stabbing

High School Stabbing - ‘I’ve got a bad feeling about today’

High School Stabbing - ‘I’m upset all the time’

High School Stabbing - ‘It was me or him’

Constance Marten and Mark Gordon - The Verdict

Trailer: Constance Marten and Mark Gordon - The Verdict

High School Stabbing - 'I can’t control it’

High School Stabbing - ‘He carried knives’

High School Stabbing - “I lost it”

High School Stabbing - Killed on Camera

Kim Kardashian - Is this Justice?

Kim Kardashian - The Crime and The Punishment

Kim Kardashian - “The Mastermind”

Kim Kardashian - The Gangster Lunch

Kim Kardashian - “It was Terror”

Kim Kardashian - The Bodyguard

Kim Kardashian - The Ringleaders

Kim Kardashian - The Personalities

Kim Kardashian - The "Facts"

T​hree trials. Three continents. Here’s what’s coming up next week.

The Inquiry - Over to the CCRC

Introducing The Trial of Erin Patterson

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