That Sounds Hard

Fight It or Swim in It with Rich Aybar

Mon, 23 Mar 2026 04:00:00 GMT

From Amerie to Leonard Cohen, we're calling on all manner of angels to help us understand our broken hearts in this episode featuring designer Rich Aybar.

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Heartbreak Harm Reduction with Jean Garnett

Mon, 16 Mar 2026 04:00:00 GMT

This week we're joined by writer (and recent musician) Jean Garnett. Jean's previously published her catalogue of hard-learned strategies to try to soften the edges of heartbreak. Now we sit down with Jean to unpack why they work for her but also why we might want to think again when we set out to "fix" a broken heart.

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The NY Times VS Jay Shetty ft. Michael Stamm

Sun, 08 Mar 2026 16:08:59 GMT

After a recent Times profile of spiritual influencer Jay Shetty sparked our curiosity, Dean and guest Michael Stamm investigate what about this seemingly innocuous social media personality could sparked so much controversy? The reality is more strange and informative of how to spot a wellness grift than we could have guessed.

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If I Try to Contact That Grief with Jesse Finkelstein

Mon, 16 Feb 2026 05:00:00 GMT

This week clinical psychologist Jesse Finkelstein gives us an entirely new take on what heartbreak is and how we can respond to it through his expertise in DBT. Check out Jesse's Real Skills for Real Life: A DBT Guide to Navigating Stress, Emotions, and Relationships.

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My Therapist's Sister with Julie Tolleson

Mon, 09 Feb 2026 05:00:00 GMT

A very special treat to be joined by the sibling of Dean's therapist, Julie Tolleson. How has heartbreak touched her? Julie explains why sometimes the heartbreak is not where we expect and the experience she had that was bigger than any broken heart.

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It Changes the Structure of Your Heart with Surafel Tsega

Mon, 19 Jan 2026 05:00:00 GMT

Turns out heartbreak can actually kill you and today we've got an actual doctor to come on to explain how. Dr. Surafel Tsega joins us to explore broken heart syndrome, why life or death situations can still be easier than dating and a story about Covid pot-banging we had to hear to believe.

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I Was Gifted a Crack in My Chest with Sam Greenleaf Miller

Mon, 12 Jan 2026 13:10:59 GMT

It's always a special episode when another therapist joins us to dig into our subject, today that's friend and colleague Sam Greenleaf Miller. Sam shares what they've learned, and are still working on, in love and heartbreak through a story that starts with the dream of being a country star. And how music stardom can sometimes look like an easier goal than letting people really know who you are.

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First Ever Mailbag Episode with Michael Stamm

Mon, 05 Jan 2026 06:00:00 GMT

A listener who isolates to manage heartbreak, questions about heartbreak across time and what truths does Taylor Swift ultimately hold about our broken hearts? It's our first ever mailbag episode featuring Dean's ex Michael Stamm.

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I'm Your Ex-Boyfriend with Michael Stamm

Mon, 22 Dec 2025 05:00:00 GMT

We're coming full circle for the mid-season/end of year finale - Dean's ex is on the show to share his story of heartbreak and reflect on their own ending.

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Literally Mad at the Entire Art World with Becky Elmquist

Mon, 15 Dec 2025 05:00:00 GMT

Calling all people pleasers - this week Becky Elmquist joins us to share her story of heartbreak. A dream of building a community where creativity and livelihood could coexist comes crashing down. How could something so well intended go wrong? Becky opens up about everything she learned.

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They Were Writing About this in Gilgamesh with Charlie Bardey

Mon, 08 Dec 2025 05:00:00 GMT

A curative DBT quote, Sondheim wisdom and bawling on the 4 train are all part of today's episode with comedian and fellow podcaster Charlie Bardey. Please remember to send in your heartbreak stories to projection@thatsoundshard.com.

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Based on Something I Grew Up Eating with Casey Elsass

Mon, 01 Dec 2025 05:00:00 GMT

Today we're joined by cookbook author and overall sweetie pie Casey Elsass. Casey is fresh off a the release of his new book and is sharing some hard earned lessons about surviving the kind of heartbreak that comes the people we expect to show up for us are nowhere to be found. Join us on IG @thatsoundshard and TikTok @thatsoundshardpod.

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Friendship Breakup with Amanda Horowitz

Sun, 23 Nov 2025 05:00:00 GMT

What happens when what breaks our heart isn't a lover but our closest friend? Playwright Amanda Horowitz joins the show to explore the impact of losing a different kind of partner. Also, we want your heartbreak stories - send anecdotes, details, questions to projection@thatsoundshard.com Also follow on IG @thatsoundshard and TikTok @thatsoundshardpod

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Who Know How He Got There? With Charlie Engman Pt. 2

Mon, 17 Nov 2025 05:00:00 GMT

The conclusion of our conversation with artist Charlie Engman. Projective identification, how gay romance is being transformed by the image culture and slash fiction about Mickey Mouse. Send in your heartbreak stories here -> proejctions@thatsoundshard.com and follow on IG @thatsoundshard and TikTok @thatsoundshardpod.

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Who Knows How He Got There? With Charlie Engman Pt. 1

Mon, 10 Nov 2025 05:00:00 GMT

This week we’re joined by artist/photographer/fashion creator Charlie Engman. Across two episodes Charlie shares the story of losing a partner in his 20s, the ways that event impacted his romantic life and the entirely unexpected places he finds himself now. Follow on IG @thatsoundshard and TikTok @thatsoundshardpod

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I’m a Handful with Jack Cameron Kay

Mon, 03 Nov 2025 05:00:00 GMT

Boots’ star Jack Cameron Kay joins us for his first ever podcast guest appearance. How do we understand who we really are when confronted with someone else’s romantic fantasies of who we should be? Or in Jack’s case, when that fantasy is suddenly coming from millions of strangers? We’re getting into all that plus dating in your 20s, star ratings and what how exactly one passes “the cottage test.” Follow us on IG @thatsoundshard and TikTok at @thatsoundshardpod. Send inquiries to @thatsoundshardpod@gmail.com

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Who Popped Out? My Dad with Jake Cornell

Mon, 27 Oct 2025 04:00:00 GMT

What happens when the real heartbreak is over, as our guest says, all the time you wasted not going after what you really wanted? Comedian Jake Cornell joins us as our first guest to never truly have heartbreak happen. Now he’s here to talk about why that happened and how he’s changing things from here. Follow on IG @thatsoundshard and TikTok @thatsoundshard pod. Jake can be found @jakewcornell.

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Oh Yeah, I Loved This Person with Cass Peterson and Kim Pierce

Mon, 20 Oct 2025 04:00:00 GMT

Our first ever follow-up episode! After appearing on the pod, Cass has reconnected with their ex, Kim. Now they’re both here to talk about what happened during their initial heartbreak and what it’s taking to repair in the present.

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The Night Does Not Scare Me with Lara Leavoy

Mon, 13 Oct 2025 20:14:08 GMT

This episode truly embodies the mission of this podcast - the hard times we thought would ruin our lives that end up setting us free. Through some tough times though! TV producer (and friend) Lara Leavoy shares her story of what happens when heartbreak strikes erupting an entire family. Co-parenting, divorce and the gift of going feral. Follows us on IG @thatsoundshard and TikTok @thatsoundshardpod

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Grieving our History (and our Hotties) with Rob Aquino

Mon, 06 Oct 2025 15:34:52 GMT

This week we’re exploring the relationship between grief and joy with the princess of LA nightlife, Rob Aquino. The legacy of loss from the AIDS crisis, navigating non-monogamy and histories hottest men. Please join the conversation on IG @thatsoundshard and TikTok @thatsoundshardpod.

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Willow Rosenberg Mode with Omar Torres

Mon, 29 Sep 2025 04:00:00 GMT

This week is T4T (therapist for therapist) as Omar Torres shares his story of heartbreak and how sharpened his clinical blade on the stone of love lost. Follow on IG at @ThatSoundsHard and TikTok @thatsoundshardpod

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This Kind of Intense Awe (Baby Jesus on the Floor) with Jarrett Earnest

Mon, 22 Sep 2025 04:00:00 GMT

Premiere episode with a premiere guest - Jarrett on how music and painting can help us navigate heartbreaks old and new. Follow us on Instagram @thatsoundshard and TikTok @thatsoundshardpod

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Gay Oedipal Success with Charles Rogers

Mon, 22 Sep 2025 04:00:00 GMT

Joined by Search Party creator and general sweetie, Charles Rogers to talk about whether or not Japan is a reasonable place to go for a breakup. Follow us on Instagram @thatsoundshard and TikTok @thatsoundshardpod

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What do the Plants Know About Heartbreak with Cass Peterson

Mon, 22 Sep 2025 04:00:00 GMT

Psychotherapy and plant medicine shaman, Cass helps us walk through breakups for the young and old(er). Follow us on Instagram @thatsoundshard and TikTok @thatsoundshardpod.

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Season 1 Trailer

Mon, 15 Sep 2025 01:29:30 GMT

Premieres September 22

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