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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Is turning 40 a big deal? Am I headed for a midlife crisis? This week I'm joined by the brilliant Corinne Fay of Big Undies to dig into the actual history behind the midlife crisis (spoiler: it was invented in 1965, mostly about men, and honestly feels like a Mad Men episode). We trace the significance of "40" from Biblical floods to actuarial science to Gail Sheehy's hugely influential 1976 book <em>Passages</em>, and ask whether any of this is even real. We also review some truly unhinged celebrity 40th-birthday celebrations, including one that features a hologram of a dead father (!), and draft our personal role models for this stage of life. Angela Lansbury, Nicole Kidman's divorce photo, and Corinne's nephew all make the list. Perimenopause, Saturn's return, and Justin Timberlake's DWI also come up, because of course they do.</p><p><em>Become a Patreon member → </em><a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney</em></a><em>&nbsp;</em></p><p><br></p><h3>Timestamps</h3><p><strong>00:00</strong> – Intro &amp; Patreon shoutout (Divas Live bonus episode, zine workshop)</p><p><strong>01:11</strong> – Meet Corinne Fay: Big Undies newsletter, Burnt Toast podcast, and freshly 40</p><p><strong>02:47</strong> – Moving to Patreon: what they love, what they miss about Substack</p><p><strong>05:46</strong> – Astrology check-in: Capricorn, Leo, Saturn's return, and what it all means</p><p><strong>08:10</strong> – Mary's turning 40 a week after her son turns one</p><p><strong>10:30</strong> – How Corinne celebrated her 40th (a solo trip to Marfa, Texas)</p><p><strong>16:38</strong> – Why did 40 become a milestone? The history begins</p><p><strong>20:07</strong> – The number 40 in the Bible, the Middle Ages, and actuarial science</p><p><strong>23:20</strong> – Freud, Jung, and psychology's role in defining midlife</p><p><strong>25:04</strong> – Elliott Jacques coins "midlife crisis" in 1965 (spoiler: it's mostly about men)</p><p><strong>27:16</strong> – Perimenopause enters the chat</p><p><strong>37:24</strong> – Gail Sheehy's <em>Passages</em> and "the deadline decade"</p><p><strong>43:17</strong> – Celebrity 40th birthday review: Oprah, Elizabeth Taylor, Kate Moss</p><p><strong>52:09</strong> – Kim Kardashian's pandemic island birthday and the hologram gift</p><p><strong>59:26</strong> – Draft: role models for turning 40 (Nicole Kidman, Angela Lansbury, Queen Latifah)</p><p><strong>1:07:06</strong> – Who NOT to be like at 40 (Justin Timberlake, Don Draper, Gwen Stefani)</p><p><strong>1:09:45</strong> – Closing wisdom and advice for turning 40</p><h2><br></h2><p>Full episode transcript here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Rl5nBjcfgmEqUZTRPi2p22AYMQkV3KG_W43xKYNtOE/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Rl5nBjcfgmEqUZTRPi2p22AYMQkV3KG_W43xKYNtOE/edit?usp=sharing</a>&nbsp;</p><br><p><strong>Love the show?</strong> Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline.</p><br><p><strong>Connect with Mary:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="http://www.marymmahoney.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.marymmahoney.com</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mimimahoney</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Corinne:</strong></p><ul><li>Subscribe to Big Undies!: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/BigUndies" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com/cw/BigUndies</a>&nbsp;</li><li>TikTok: @SelfieFay</li><li>Instagram: @SelfieFay</li><li>Listen to Burnt Toast: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/virginiasolesmith" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com/cw/virginiasolesmith</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><p><br></p><p><em>Want even more resources, deep dives, and behind-the-scenes context on this episode's topics? Patreon members get access to my exclusive newsletter with extended research, additional links, and insights that didn't make it into the show. You can get the weekly newsletter when you join for free. Paid members get a monthly bonus episode and a weekly newsletter of things I'm loving in pop culture.</em></p><p><em>Become a Patreon member → </em><a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney</em></a><em>&nbsp;</em></p><br><p><em>Sponsor Message:&nbsp;</em></p><p>Landline is sponsored by <a href="http://libro.fm" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Libro.Fm</a>. Listen to your favorite books and support your local bookstores! (Link: <a href="https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb</a> )&nbsp;</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. 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			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Is turning 40 a big deal? Am I headed for a midlife crisis? This week I'm joined by the brilliant Corinne Fay of Big Undies to dig into the actual history behind the midlife crisis (spoiler: it was invented in 1965, mostly about men, and honestly feels like a Mad Men episode). We trace the significance of "40" from Biblical floods to actuarial science to Gail Sheehy's hugely influential 1976 book <em>Passages</em>, and ask whether any of this is even real. We also review some truly unhinged celebrity 40th-birthday celebrations, including one that features a hologram of a dead father (!), and draft our personal role models for this stage of life. Angela Lansbury, Nicole Kidman's divorce photo, and Corinne's nephew all make the list. Perimenopause, Saturn's return, and Justin Timberlake's DWI also come up, because of course they do.</p><p><em>Become a Patreon member → </em><a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney</em></a><em>&nbsp;</em></p><p><br></p><h3>Timestamps</h3><p><strong>00:00</strong> – Intro &amp; Patreon shoutout (Divas Live bonus episode, zine workshop)</p><p><strong>01:11</strong> – Meet Corinne Fay: Big Undies newsletter, Burnt Toast podcast, and freshly 40</p><p><strong>02:47</strong> – Moving to Patreon: what they love, what they miss about Substack</p><p><strong>05:46</strong> – Astrology check-in: Capricorn, Leo, Saturn's return, and what it all means</p><p><strong>08:10</strong> – Mary's turning 40 a week after her son turns one</p><p><strong>10:30</strong> – How Corinne celebrated her 40th (a solo trip to Marfa, Texas)</p><p><strong>16:38</strong> – Why did 40 become a milestone? The history begins</p><p><strong>20:07</strong> – The number 40 in the Bible, the Middle Ages, and actuarial science</p><p><strong>23:20</strong> – Freud, Jung, and psychology's role in defining midlife</p><p><strong>25:04</strong> – Elliott Jacques coins "midlife crisis" in 1965 (spoiler: it's mostly about men)</p><p><strong>27:16</strong> – Perimenopause enters the chat</p><p><strong>37:24</strong> – Gail Sheehy's <em>Passages</em> and "the deadline decade"</p><p><strong>43:17</strong> – Celebrity 40th birthday review: Oprah, Elizabeth Taylor, Kate Moss</p><p><strong>52:09</strong> – Kim Kardashian's pandemic island birthday and the hologram gift</p><p><strong>59:26</strong> – Draft: role models for turning 40 (Nicole Kidman, Angela Lansbury, Queen Latifah)</p><p><strong>1:07:06</strong> – Who NOT to be like at 40 (Justin Timberlake, Don Draper, Gwen Stefani)</p><p><strong>1:09:45</strong> – Closing wisdom and advice for turning 40</p><h2><br></h2><p>Full episode transcript here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Rl5nBjcfgmEqUZTRPi2p22AYMQkV3KG_W43xKYNtOE/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Rl5nBjcfgmEqUZTRPi2p22AYMQkV3KG_W43xKYNtOE/edit?usp=sharing</a>&nbsp;</p><br><p><strong>Love the show?</strong> Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline.</p><br><p><strong>Connect with Mary:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="http://www.marymmahoney.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.marymmahoney.com</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mimimahoney</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Corinne:</strong></p><ul><li>Subscribe to Big Undies!: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/BigUndies" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com/cw/BigUndies</a>&nbsp;</li><li>TikTok: @SelfieFay</li><li>Instagram: @SelfieFay</li><li>Listen to Burnt Toast: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/virginiasolesmith" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com/cw/virginiasolesmith</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><p><br></p><p><em>Want even more resources, deep dives, and behind-the-scenes context on this episode's topics? Patreon members get access to my exclusive newsletter with extended research, additional links, and insights that didn't make it into the show. You can get the weekly newsletter when you join for free. Paid members get a monthly bonus episode and a weekly newsletter of things I'm loving in pop culture.</em></p><p><em>Become a Patreon member → </em><a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney</em></a><em>&nbsp;</em></p><br><p><em>Sponsor Message:&nbsp;</em></p><p>Landline is sponsored by <a href="http://libro.fm" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Libro.Fm</a>. Listen to your favorite books and support your local bookstores! (Link: <a href="https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb</a> )&nbsp;</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. 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			<description><![CDATA[<p>In 1998, VH1 gathered Mariah Carey, Gloria Estefan, Shania Twain, Celine Dion, Aretha Franklin, and Carole King on one stage to raise money for music education — and accidentally created one of the most revealing documents of its era. I'm joined by music scholar Kwame Ocran to relive Divas Live in full: the Tommy Mottola sabotage plot hiding in plain sight, why Celine Dion dedicated My Heart Will Go On to the actual Titanic victims mid-concert, what happened when Aretha Franklin heard the air conditioning turn on, and who in that lineup was truly a diva versus who just crimped their hair and hoped for the best. We also get into the neoliberal defunding of arts education, the gendered double standard baked into the word "diva" itself, and why we are not going to be saying Jennifer Lopez's name on this episode. (We said it once. That's the limit.) Pop culture, meet context.</p><br><p><em>Want to hear the full episode? Plus get access to resources, deep dives, and behind-the-scenes context on this episode's topics? Patreon members get access to my exclusive newsletter with extended research, additional links, and insights that didn't make it into the show. You can get the weekly newsletter when you join for free. Paid members get a monthly bonus episode and a weekly newsletter of things I'm loving in pop culture. </em></p><p><em>Become a Patreon member → </em><a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney</em></a><em>&nbsp;</em></p><br><p><strong>Connect with Mary:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="http://www.marymmahoney.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.marymmahoney.com</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mimimahoney</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Kwame:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://music.sas.upenn.edu/people/kwame-ocran" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://music.sas.upenn.edu/people/kwame-ocran</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Links: <a href="https://linktr.ee/KwameOcran" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://linktr.ee/KwameOcran</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Love the show?</strong> Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>In 1998, VH1 gathered Mariah Carey, Gloria Estefan, Shania Twain, Celine Dion, Aretha Franklin, and Carole King on one stage to raise money for music education — and accidentally created one of the most revealing documents of its era. I'm joined by music scholar Kwame Ocran to relive Divas Live in full: the Tommy Mottola sabotage plot hiding in plain sight, why Celine Dion dedicated My Heart Will Go On to the actual Titanic victims mid-concert, what happened when Aretha Franklin heard the air conditioning turn on, and who in that lineup was truly a diva versus who just crimped their hair and hoped for the best. We also get into the neoliberal defunding of arts education, the gendered double standard baked into the word "diva" itself, and why we are not going to be saying Jennifer Lopez's name on this episode. (We said it once. That's the limit.) Pop culture, meet context.</p><br><p><em>Want to hear the full episode? Plus get access to resources, deep dives, and behind-the-scenes context on this episode's topics? Patreon members get access to my exclusive newsletter with extended research, additional links, and insights that didn't make it into the show. You can get the weekly newsletter when you join for free. Paid members get a monthly bonus episode and a weekly newsletter of things I'm loving in pop culture. </em></p><p><em>Become a Patreon member → </em><a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney</em></a><em>&nbsp;</em></p><br><p><strong>Connect with Mary:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="http://www.marymmahoney.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.marymmahoney.com</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mimimahoney</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Kwame:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://music.sas.upenn.edu/people/kwame-ocran" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://music.sas.upenn.edu/people/kwame-ocran</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Links: <a href="https://linktr.ee/KwameOcran" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://linktr.ee/KwameOcran</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Love the show?</strong> Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>A History of Baby Phat and the Hidden Cost of Your Jeans (with Aimee Loiselle) </title>
			<itunes:title>A History of Baby Phat and the Hidden Cost of Your Jeans (with Aimee Loiselle) </itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2026 04:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>You know the logo. You definitely had the jeans. But do you know the full story? I called up historian Aimee Loiselle to unpack what Baby Phat actually tells us about hip hop entrepreneurship, fast fashion, global labor, and why hustle culture never really lets you off the hamster wheel.&nbsp;We get into Kimora Lee and the history of Baby Phat, the real woman behind Norma Rae (who doesn't get enough play in Sally Field's memoir), and why your stretchy leggings are literally made of petroleum. Also: Kathie Lee Gifford cried on television, and it's more relevant than you think.</p><br><p><br></p><h2>Timestamps</h2><p><strong>0:07</strong> — Welcome &amp; episode intro: TikTok girlbosses, drop shipping culture, and why Baby Phat is the millennial lens on all of it</p><p><strong>2:23</strong> — Introducing Aimee Loiselle and <em>Beyond Norma Rae</em>:&nbsp;</p><p><strong>6:01</strong> — The real story behind the movie: who Crystal Lee Sutton actually was and what the film got wrong</p><p><strong>11:09</strong> — Why pop culture is powerful AND dangerous: how Hollywood flattens labor history into one heroic white woman on a table</p><p><strong>19:36</strong> — Aimee's research pivot: from Puerto Rican needleworkers to hip hop fashion empires, or: how global supply chains made Baby Phat possible</p><p><strong>25:51</strong> — The Baby Phat logo, the Siamese cat, and how celebrities like Russell Simmons and Jay-Z built billion-dollar brands without ever touching a factory</p><p><strong>31:41</strong> — Russell Simmons, Def Jam, and the rise of hip hop entrepreneurship: the good, the complicated, and the very bad</p><p><strong>38:00</strong> — Kimora Lee's origin story: from being bullied in St. Louis to Karl Lagerfeld calling her "the face of the 21st century"</p><p><strong>43:00</strong> — How Baby Phat was born, hit $265 million in revenue, and got sold to Kellwood for $140 million</p><p><strong>51:00</strong> — The wilderness years: bigamy, catfishing, fabulosity, and how Kimora bought her brand back</p><p><strong>57:00</strong> — The relaunch era: daughters on the runway, Ice Spice on the red carpet, and selling on Shein</p><p><strong>1:03:51</strong> — What neoliberalism actually means, why "late stage capitalism" is not Aimee's thing, and why your students still shop at Shein even after seeing the factory photos</p><p><strong>1:10:39</strong> — Kimora as the ultimate neoliberal subject: when being a fashion icon is literally your job</p><p><strong>1:16:01</strong> — The Kathie Lee Gifford connection: child labor, televised tears, and why she belongs in Aimee’s second book</p><br><p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p><ul><li>Check out Aimee’s book! <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781469676135" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beyond Norma Rae: How Puerto Rican and Southern White Women Fought for a Place in the American Working Class.&nbsp;</a></li><li>“Baby Phat Is Back! How Kimora Lee Simmons Revived Her Iconic Y2K Brand.” Vogue. September 29, 2023. <a href="https://www.vogue.com/article/baby-phat-revival-kimora-lee-simmons" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.vogue.com/article/baby-phat-revival-kimora-lee-simmons</a>.</li></ul><p><br></p><p><em>Want even more resources, deep dives, and behind-the-scenes context on this episode's topics? Patreon members get access to my exclusive newsletter with extended research, additional links, and insights that didn't make it into the show. You can get the weekly newsletter when you join for free. Paid members get a monthly bonus episode and a weekly newsletter of things I'm loving in pop culture.</em></p><p><em>Become a Patreon member → </em><a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney</em></a><em>&nbsp;</em></p><br><p><br></p><h2>Transcript</h2><p>Full episode transcript here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zuLPSwf4giQPVzx4alHP2cHkH5RI6OUKcP2bAyUmbCo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zuLPSwf4giQPVzx4alHP2cHkH5RI6OUKcP2bAyUmbCo/edit?usp=sharing</a>&nbsp;</p><br><p><strong>Connect with Mary:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="http://www.marymmahoney.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.marymmahoney.com</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mimimahoney</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Love the show?</strong> Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline.</p><br><p><strong>Connect with Aimee Loiselle:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.aimeeloiselle.com/about/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.aimeeloiselle.com/about/</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781469676135" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beyond Norma Rae: How Puerto Rican and Southern White Women Fought for a Place in the American Working Class.&nbsp;</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p>Landline is sponsored by <a href="http://libro.fm" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Libro.Fm</a>. Listen to your favorite books and support your local bookstores! (Link: <a href="https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb</a> )&nbsp;</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>You know the logo. You definitely had the jeans. But do you know the full story? I called up historian Aimee Loiselle to unpack what Baby Phat actually tells us about hip hop entrepreneurship, fast fashion, global labor, and why hustle culture never really lets you off the hamster wheel.&nbsp;We get into Kimora Lee and the history of Baby Phat, the real woman behind Norma Rae (who doesn't get enough play in Sally Field's memoir), and why your stretchy leggings are literally made of petroleum. Also: Kathie Lee Gifford cried on television, and it's more relevant than you think.</p><br><p><br></p><h2>Timestamps</h2><p><strong>0:07</strong> — Welcome &amp; episode intro: TikTok girlbosses, drop shipping culture, and why Baby Phat is the millennial lens on all of it</p><p><strong>2:23</strong> — Introducing Aimee Loiselle and <em>Beyond Norma Rae</em>:&nbsp;</p><p><strong>6:01</strong> — The real story behind the movie: who Crystal Lee Sutton actually was and what the film got wrong</p><p><strong>11:09</strong> — Why pop culture is powerful AND dangerous: how Hollywood flattens labor history into one heroic white woman on a table</p><p><strong>19:36</strong> — Aimee's research pivot: from Puerto Rican needleworkers to hip hop fashion empires, or: how global supply chains made Baby Phat possible</p><p><strong>25:51</strong> — The Baby Phat logo, the Siamese cat, and how celebrities like Russell Simmons and Jay-Z built billion-dollar brands without ever touching a factory</p><p><strong>31:41</strong> — Russell Simmons, Def Jam, and the rise of hip hop entrepreneurship: the good, the complicated, and the very bad</p><p><strong>38:00</strong> — Kimora Lee's origin story: from being bullied in St. Louis to Karl Lagerfeld calling her "the face of the 21st century"</p><p><strong>43:00</strong> — How Baby Phat was born, hit $265 million in revenue, and got sold to Kellwood for $140 million</p><p><strong>51:00</strong> — The wilderness years: bigamy, catfishing, fabulosity, and how Kimora bought her brand back</p><p><strong>57:00</strong> — The relaunch era: daughters on the runway, Ice Spice on the red carpet, and selling on Shein</p><p><strong>1:03:51</strong> — What neoliberalism actually means, why "late stage capitalism" is not Aimee's thing, and why your students still shop at Shein even after seeing the factory photos</p><p><strong>1:10:39</strong> — Kimora as the ultimate neoliberal subject: when being a fashion icon is literally your job</p><p><strong>1:16:01</strong> — The Kathie Lee Gifford connection: child labor, televised tears, and why she belongs in Aimee’s second book</p><br><p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p><ul><li>Check out Aimee’s book! <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781469676135" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beyond Norma Rae: How Puerto Rican and Southern White Women Fought for a Place in the American Working Class.&nbsp;</a></li><li>“Baby Phat Is Back! How Kimora Lee Simmons Revived Her Iconic Y2K Brand.” Vogue. September 29, 2023. <a href="https://www.vogue.com/article/baby-phat-revival-kimora-lee-simmons" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.vogue.com/article/baby-phat-revival-kimora-lee-simmons</a>.</li></ul><p><br></p><p><em>Want even more resources, deep dives, and behind-the-scenes context on this episode's topics? Patreon members get access to my exclusive newsletter with extended research, additional links, and insights that didn't make it into the show. You can get the weekly newsletter when you join for free. Paid members get a monthly bonus episode and a weekly newsletter of things I'm loving in pop culture.</em></p><p><em>Become a Patreon member → </em><a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney</em></a><em>&nbsp;</em></p><br><p><br></p><h2>Transcript</h2><p>Full episode transcript here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zuLPSwf4giQPVzx4alHP2cHkH5RI6OUKcP2bAyUmbCo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zuLPSwf4giQPVzx4alHP2cHkH5RI6OUKcP2bAyUmbCo/edit?usp=sharing</a>&nbsp;</p><br><p><strong>Connect with Mary:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="http://www.marymmahoney.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.marymmahoney.com</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mimimahoney</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Love the show?</strong> Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline.</p><br><p><strong>Connect with Aimee Loiselle:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.aimeeloiselle.com/about/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.aimeeloiselle.com/about/</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781469676135" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beyond Norma Rae: How Puerto Rican and Southern White Women Fought for a Place in the American Working Class.&nbsp;</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p>Landline is sponsored by <a href="http://libro.fm" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Libro.Fm</a>. Listen to your favorite books and support your local bookstores! (Link: <a href="https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb</a> )&nbsp;</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>K-Pop, Purity Culture, and Fan Service with Erin Shapland (Part 1 of Purity Culture and Pop) </title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>My Gen Z friend Erin Shapland, librarian, K-pop enthusiast, and person who has never heard of TRL, joins me for a generational exchange on purity culture and pop. In part 1, Erin takes me through the world of K-pop: the management companies that sign kids at 12, the fan communities that send funeral wreaths when an idol is caught kissing his girlfriend, and the ways patriarchy manages to victimize literally everyone. Meet us on Patreon for part two, where I take Erin through the absolute chaos of how we treated women pop stars in the 90s and 2000s, and try to describe the beauty/mess that was TRL.&nbsp;</p><br><p>Timestamps</p><p>00:00 - Intro: TRL, K-pop, and a generational knowledge gap that keeps me up at night</p><p>08:06 - How Erin got into K-pop and the short version of what the "celibacy police" are</p><p>10:33 - How K-pop groups are formed: the four major management companies and the making-the-band pipeline</p><p>12:11 - control and contracts: how idols are signed as young as 12 and go six figures into debt before they ever debut</p><p>16:08 - The no-dating clause, dating scandals, and what happens when a paparazzi photo ruins everything before you even debut</p><p>22:05 - Fan service, the male gaze, and the weird contradiction of hyper-sexual performances from people who are publicly not allowed to be sexual beings</p><p>29:17 - Queerness in K-pop: fan fiction, fetishization, and the idols people just sort of... know</p><p>42:50 - Fan communities vs. management companies: who's actually in control here?</p><p>50:37 - But where's the joy? Photo cards, fan meetups, and why K-pop is genuinely a great time</p><p>55:18 - What's next: Erin's starter playlist and a preview of part two on Patreon</p><br><p>Resources &amp; Links Mentioned</p><ul><li>Radiolab's 2016 piece on the first K-pop paparazzi scandal involving Jonghyun of SHINee (transcript: https://radiolab.org/podcast/kpoparazzi/transcript )</li><li>Jenna Gibson, Ph.D. on fan communities and idol image management (select media: https://jennargibson.com/media-appearances/ )</li><li>Stray Kids — the 2017 JYP survival show that formed the group Stray Kids (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stray_Kids_(TV_program))&nbsp;</li><li>XO Kitty on Netflix — Mary's gateway K-pop-adjacent content</li><li>Ki (Kim Ki-bum) of SHINee's collaboration with John Cameron Mitchell, "Sugar Daddy" (link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stCKYgiu9-0 )&nbsp;</li><li>Stray Kids' Han and Lino / Min Sang — for the rabbit hole Erin mentions (link: https://fanlore.org/wiki/Han/Lee_Know )&nbsp;</li><li>Erin’s amazing playlist: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1O0bVXFWhidBy9HaSTjoyI?si=dcc5270038cd4386" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">“K-Pop for New Recruits, a k-pop starter pack for millennial baddiesss” </a>(https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1O0bVXFWhidBy9HaSTjoyI?si=dcc5270038cd4386) </li></ul><p><br></p><p>Want even more resources, deep dives, and behind-the-scenes context on this episode's topics? Patreon members get access to my exclusive newsletter with extended research, additional links, and insights that didn't make it into the show. You can get the weekly newsletter when you join for free. Paid members get a monthly bonus episode and a weekly newsletter of things I'm loving in pop culture.</p><p>Become a Patreon member → <a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney&nbsp;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney&nbsp;</a></p><br><p>Transcript</p><p>Full episode transcript here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ipi7KrP2BqnorZoO5VXXvN3-vgo2CZAyzyZn4-cU7_c/edit?usp=sharing&nbsp;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ipi7KrP2BqnorZoO5VXXvN3-vgo2CZAyzyZn4-cU7_c/edit?usp=sharing&nbsp;</a></p><br><p>Connect with Mary:</p><p>Website: <a href="www.marymmahoney.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.marymmahoney.com</a></p><p>Instagram: @mimimahoney</p><p>Email: MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com</p><p>Love the show? Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline.</p><br><p>Landline is sponsored by Libro.Fm. Listen to your favorite books and support your local bookstores! (Link: <a href="https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb</a> )&nbsp;</p><br><p>Landline is an interview-based podcast exploring pop culture and history, hosted by Mary Mahoney.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>My Gen Z friend Erin Shapland, librarian, K-pop enthusiast, and person who has never heard of TRL, joins me for a generational exchange on purity culture and pop. In part 1, Erin takes me through the world of K-pop: the management companies that sign kids at 12, the fan communities that send funeral wreaths when an idol is caught kissing his girlfriend, and the ways patriarchy manages to victimize literally everyone. Meet us on Patreon for part two, where I take Erin through the absolute chaos of how we treated women pop stars in the 90s and 2000s, and try to describe the beauty/mess that was TRL.&nbsp;</p><br><p>Timestamps</p><p>00:00 - Intro: TRL, K-pop, and a generational knowledge gap that keeps me up at night</p><p>08:06 - How Erin got into K-pop and the short version of what the "celibacy police" are</p><p>10:33 - How K-pop groups are formed: the four major management companies and the making-the-band pipeline</p><p>12:11 - control and contracts: how idols are signed as young as 12 and go six figures into debt before they ever debut</p><p>16:08 - The no-dating clause, dating scandals, and what happens when a paparazzi photo ruins everything before you even debut</p><p>22:05 - Fan service, the male gaze, and the weird contradiction of hyper-sexual performances from people who are publicly not allowed to be sexual beings</p><p>29:17 - Queerness in K-pop: fan fiction, fetishization, and the idols people just sort of... know</p><p>42:50 - Fan communities vs. management companies: who's actually in control here?</p><p>50:37 - But where's the joy? Photo cards, fan meetups, and why K-pop is genuinely a great time</p><p>55:18 - What's next: Erin's starter playlist and a preview of part two on Patreon</p><br><p>Resources &amp; Links Mentioned</p><ul><li>Radiolab's 2016 piece on the first K-pop paparazzi scandal involving Jonghyun of SHINee (transcript: https://radiolab.org/podcast/kpoparazzi/transcript )</li><li>Jenna Gibson, Ph.D. on fan communities and idol image management (select media: https://jennargibson.com/media-appearances/ )</li><li>Stray Kids — the 2017 JYP survival show that formed the group Stray Kids (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stray_Kids_(TV_program))&nbsp;</li><li>XO Kitty on Netflix — Mary's gateway K-pop-adjacent content</li><li>Ki (Kim Ki-bum) of SHINee's collaboration with John Cameron Mitchell, "Sugar Daddy" (link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stCKYgiu9-0 )&nbsp;</li><li>Stray Kids' Han and Lino / Min Sang — for the rabbit hole Erin mentions (link: https://fanlore.org/wiki/Han/Lee_Know )&nbsp;</li><li>Erin’s amazing playlist: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1O0bVXFWhidBy9HaSTjoyI?si=dcc5270038cd4386" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">“K-Pop for New Recruits, a k-pop starter pack for millennial baddiesss” </a>(https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1O0bVXFWhidBy9HaSTjoyI?si=dcc5270038cd4386) </li></ul><p><br></p><p>Want even more resources, deep dives, and behind-the-scenes context on this episode's topics? Patreon members get access to my exclusive newsletter with extended research, additional links, and insights that didn't make it into the show. You can get the weekly newsletter when you join for free. Paid members get a monthly bonus episode and a weekly newsletter of things I'm loving in pop culture.</p><p>Become a Patreon member → <a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney&nbsp;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney&nbsp;</a></p><br><p>Transcript</p><p>Full episode transcript here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ipi7KrP2BqnorZoO5VXXvN3-vgo2CZAyzyZn4-cU7_c/edit?usp=sharing&nbsp;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ipi7KrP2BqnorZoO5VXXvN3-vgo2CZAyzyZn4-cU7_c/edit?usp=sharing&nbsp;</a></p><br><p>Connect with Mary:</p><p>Website: <a href="www.marymmahoney.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.marymmahoney.com</a></p><p>Instagram: @mimimahoney</p><p>Email: MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com</p><p>Love the show? Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline.</p><br><p>Landline is sponsored by Libro.Fm. Listen to your favorite books and support your local bookstores! (Link: <a href="https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb</a> )&nbsp;</p><br><p>Landline is an interview-based podcast exploring pop culture and history, hosted by Mary Mahoney.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>The Lower the Jeans, the Further from God: TRL, Purity Culture, and What We Did to Britney (Part 2 of Purity Culture and Pop)  (Patreon Preview) </title>
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			<title>Your Charismatic Male Leader Will Always Disappoint You: A History of Utopian Communities with Monica Mercado</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2026 05:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Historian Monica Mercado joins me to explore nineteenth-century utopian communities — from the polyamorous, silverware-making Oneida community to the celibate, achingly chic Shakers — and what draws people to radical experiments in communal living then and now. We get into charismatic male leaders who will always, always disappoint you, why the Shakers are having a moment (three members and counting!), and how nuns, queer culture, and Oprah Winfrey might all be connected. Spoiler alert: building a better world is not easy, but someone has to do it.</p><br><p>Timestamps</p><p>00:00 - Intro: TikTok nuns, convent summers, and the desire to leave society</p><p>05:59 - Setting the scene: the "burned over district" and 19th-century utopian movements in upstate New York</p><p>11:18 - Oneida: complex marriage, male continence, and why the silverware in your drawer might have a complicated history</p><p>21:10 - Where Oneida goes wrong: eugenics, the government crackdown, and the charismatic male leader who runs away to Canada</p><p>27:23 - Enter the Shakers: celibacy, beautiful furniture, and a female founder who said God is both woman and man</p><p>36:18 - The last Shakers: Brother Arnold, Sister June, and the new member who just boosted global numbers to three</p><p>48:07 - Nuns now: who's joining convents today, student loan debt as a barrier to entry, and the old nuns making protest signs on Facebook</p><p>1:06:24 - Final thoughts: what utopian communities teach us about actually building (not just imagining) a better world</p><br><p>Resources &amp; Links Mentioned</p><ul><li>"I Am Anne Lee" by Eileen Myles (<a href="https://lithub.com/a-prose-poem-by-eileen-myles-ann-lee/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lithub.com/a-prose-poem-by-eileen-myles-ann-lee/</a> )&nbsp;</li><li>Visit the Oneida Mansion House — museum, B&amp;B, and historic site in Oneida, NY (<a href="http://oneidacommunity.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">oneidacommunity.org</a>)</li><li>Ellen Wayland-Smith's <em>Oneida: From Free Love Utopia to the Well-Set Table </em>(<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781250131867" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781250131867</a> )</li><li>Visit Shaker sites: Hancock Shaker Village — the Shaker museum Mary visited in Pittsfield, MA (<a href="http://hancockshakervillage.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">hancockshakervillage.org</a>). &nbsp;Shakers upstate (<a href="https://home.shakerheritage.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Albany</a>, <a href="https://www.shakermuseum.us/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Chatham/Mount Lebanon</a>. Sabbath Day Lake Shaker Village — home of the last living Shakers in New Gloucester, Maine (<a href="http://maineshakers.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">maineshakers.com</a>)</li><li><a href="http://www.supervillesovak.com/there-are-no-black-shakers.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">There Are NO Black Shakers</a> is a contemporary folk opera re-interpreting traditional Shaker hymns to tell the very true story of Prime Lane, a free Black man who joined the Shaker Society in Albany in 1802.</li><li>The New York Times profile of Brother Arnold and Sister June (2024)</li><li>The New York Times coverage of Sister April joining the Shakers (2025)</li><li>The AP on young nuns and student debt (<a href="https://apnews.com/article/young-nuns-catholic-student-debt-aging-4d61e7ed31df84f3879b119022cc170f" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://apnews.com/article/young-nuns-catholic-student-debt-aging-4d61e7ed31df84f3879b119022cc170f</a>)&nbsp; and sustainable nuns! (<a href="https://www.franciscanmedia.org/st-anthony-messenger/the-nuns-are-ok-building-a-sustainable-future-for-women-religious/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.franciscanmedia.org/st-anthony-messenger/the-nuns-are-ok-building-a-sustainable-future-for-women-religious/</a>) </li></ul><p><br></p><p>Want even more resources, deep dives, and behind-the-scenes context on this episode's topics? Patreon members get access to my exclusive newsletter with extended research, additional links, and insights that didn't make it into the show. You can get the weekly newsletter when you join for free.&nbsp;Paid members get a monthly bonus episode and a weekly newsletter of things I'm loving in pop culture.</p><p>Become a Patreon member → https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney</p><br><p>Transcript</p><p>Full episode transcript here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14R54vWfai4WiYdI7EqBuMuJJnDBMRj3wpwrBVZW6oBs/edit?usp=sharing&nbsp;</p><br><p>Connect with Mary:</p><p>Website: www.marymmahoney.com</p><p>Instagram: @mimimahoney</p><p>Email: MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com</p><p>Love the show? Please leave a rating and review! It helps other pop culture and history lovers find Landline.</p><br><p>Guest Information</p><p>Connect with Monica Mercado:</p><ul><li>Website: https://monicalmercado.com/&nbsp;</li><li>Follow Monica’s convent research trips here: <a href="https://www.american-religion.org/empty-places/loretto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.american-religion.org/empty-places/loretto</a></li></ul><p><br></p><br><p>Landline is sponsored by <a href="https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Libro.Fm</a>. Sign up today to enjoy audiobooks and support local bookstores!&nbsp;(link: https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb)</p><p>Landline is an interview-based podcast exploring pop culture and history, hosted by Mary Mahoney.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Historian Monica Mercado joins me to explore nineteenth-century utopian communities — from the polyamorous, silverware-making Oneida community to the celibate, achingly chic Shakers — and what draws people to radical experiments in communal living then and now. We get into charismatic male leaders who will always, always disappoint you, why the Shakers are having a moment (three members and counting!), and how nuns, queer culture, and Oprah Winfrey might all be connected. Spoiler alert: building a better world is not easy, but someone has to do it.</p><br><p>Timestamps</p><p>00:00 - Intro: TikTok nuns, convent summers, and the desire to leave society</p><p>05:59 - Setting the scene: the "burned over district" and 19th-century utopian movements in upstate New York</p><p>11:18 - Oneida: complex marriage, male continence, and why the silverware in your drawer might have a complicated history</p><p>21:10 - Where Oneida goes wrong: eugenics, the government crackdown, and the charismatic male leader who runs away to Canada</p><p>27:23 - Enter the Shakers: celibacy, beautiful furniture, and a female founder who said God is both woman and man</p><p>36:18 - The last Shakers: Brother Arnold, Sister June, and the new member who just boosted global numbers to three</p><p>48:07 - Nuns now: who's joining convents today, student loan debt as a barrier to entry, and the old nuns making protest signs on Facebook</p><p>1:06:24 - Final thoughts: what utopian communities teach us about actually building (not just imagining) a better world</p><br><p>Resources &amp; Links Mentioned</p><ul><li>"I Am Anne Lee" by Eileen Myles (<a href="https://lithub.com/a-prose-poem-by-eileen-myles-ann-lee/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lithub.com/a-prose-poem-by-eileen-myles-ann-lee/</a> )&nbsp;</li><li>Visit the Oneida Mansion House — museum, B&amp;B, and historic site in Oneida, NY (<a href="http://oneidacommunity.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">oneidacommunity.org</a>)</li><li>Ellen Wayland-Smith's <em>Oneida: From Free Love Utopia to the Well-Set Table </em>(<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781250131867" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781250131867</a> )</li><li>Visit Shaker sites: Hancock Shaker Village — the Shaker museum Mary visited in Pittsfield, MA (<a href="http://hancockshakervillage.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">hancockshakervillage.org</a>). &nbsp;Shakers upstate (<a href="https://home.shakerheritage.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Albany</a>, <a href="https://www.shakermuseum.us/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Chatham/Mount Lebanon</a>. Sabbath Day Lake Shaker Village — home of the last living Shakers in New Gloucester, Maine (<a href="http://maineshakers.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">maineshakers.com</a>)</li><li><a href="http://www.supervillesovak.com/there-are-no-black-shakers.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">There Are NO Black Shakers</a> is a contemporary folk opera re-interpreting traditional Shaker hymns to tell the very true story of Prime Lane, a free Black man who joined the Shaker Society in Albany in 1802.</li><li>The New York Times profile of Brother Arnold and Sister June (2024)</li><li>The New York Times coverage of Sister April joining the Shakers (2025)</li><li>The AP on young nuns and student debt (<a href="https://apnews.com/article/young-nuns-catholic-student-debt-aging-4d61e7ed31df84f3879b119022cc170f" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://apnews.com/article/young-nuns-catholic-student-debt-aging-4d61e7ed31df84f3879b119022cc170f</a>)&nbsp; and sustainable nuns! (<a href="https://www.franciscanmedia.org/st-anthony-messenger/the-nuns-are-ok-building-a-sustainable-future-for-women-religious/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.franciscanmedia.org/st-anthony-messenger/the-nuns-are-ok-building-a-sustainable-future-for-women-religious/</a>) </li></ul><p><br></p><p>Want even more resources, deep dives, and behind-the-scenes context on this episode's topics? Patreon members get access to my exclusive newsletter with extended research, additional links, and insights that didn't make it into the show. You can get the weekly newsletter when you join for free.&nbsp;Paid members get a monthly bonus episode and a weekly newsletter of things I'm loving in pop culture.</p><p>Become a Patreon member → https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney</p><br><p>Transcript</p><p>Full episode transcript here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14R54vWfai4WiYdI7EqBuMuJJnDBMRj3wpwrBVZW6oBs/edit?usp=sharing&nbsp;</p><br><p>Connect with Mary:</p><p>Website: www.marymmahoney.com</p><p>Instagram: @mimimahoney</p><p>Email: MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com</p><p>Love the show? Please leave a rating and review! It helps other pop culture and history lovers find Landline.</p><br><p>Guest Information</p><p>Connect with Monica Mercado:</p><ul><li>Website: https://monicalmercado.com/&nbsp;</li><li>Follow Monica’s convent research trips here: <a href="https://www.american-religion.org/empty-places/loretto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.american-religion.org/empty-places/loretto</a></li></ul><p><br></p><br><p>Landline is sponsored by <a href="https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Libro.Fm</a>. Sign up today to enjoy audiobooks and support local bookstores!&nbsp;(link: https://tidd.ly/40tPrKb)</p><p>Landline is an interview-based podcast exploring pop culture and history, hosted by Mary Mahoney.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Why are straight women yelling “Kiss!” at NHL Games? Talking Heated Rivalry with Frankie De La Cretaz </title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Sports journalist Frankie de la Cretaz joins me to talk about <em>Heated Rivalry</em>, the queer hockey romance that has straight women yelling "kiss!" at NHL games. We get into what that phenomenon reveals about MLM romance, consent in different queer communities, and the complicated politics of who gets to consume queer culture. We also dive into Frankie's experience defeating Boston's 2024 Olympic bid, the PWHL's ICE funding problem, my Lilith Fair kidnapping story, going to Camp Gaylor, and why Lake Placid's Olympic Village is still a functioning prison. This episode is longer than usual because we kept discovering shared obsessions—I laughed until I cried and learned so much.</p><p><br></p><h2>Timestamps</h2><p><strong>[00:00]</strong> Intro: Women yelling "kiss" at NHL games</p><p><strong>[02:19]</strong> Meeting Frankie and Super Bowl hot takes</p><p><strong>[10:05]</strong> Frankie's role in defeating Boston's 2024 Olympic bid</p><p><strong>[15:53]</strong> Lake Placid's Olympic Village-turned-prison (still operational!)</p><p><strong>[18:34]</strong> Olympics as political propaganda and anti-trans victory laps</p><p><strong>[24:57]</strong> USA Hockey's trans ban and the silence of women's hockey players</p><p><strong>[26:56]</strong> The PWHL's Mark Walter problem: funding ICE while having moments of silence</p><p><strong>[30:02]</strong> The NHL's viewership crisis and opportunistic embrace of <em>Heated Rivalry</em></p><p><strong>[34:41]</strong> The "kiss" chants at NHL games</p><p><strong>[39:02]</strong> Mary's Lilith Fair kidnapping story</p><p><strong>[47:09]</strong> Going to Camp Gaylor and writing about it for Cosmo</p><p><strong>[50:34]</strong> Why the Gaylor community matters beyond Taylor's actual sexuality</p><p><strong>[57:17]</strong> Introduction to <em>Heated Rivalry</em>: the show, the books, the obsession</p><p><strong>[1:02:03]</strong> The brilliant narrative adaptation from books to show</p><p><strong>[1:04:10]</strong> It's NOT a happy ending—they got caught, not liberated</p><p><strong>[1:09:47]</strong> Why straight women love MLM romance (and it's complicated)</p><p><strong>[1:14:21]</strong> Cruising culture, consent, and how it works in gay male spaces</p><p><strong>[1:28:40]</strong> Will sapphic sports stories get the same attention?</p><p><strong>[1:30:34]</strong> Pitching the National Women's Football League as a TV series</p><p><strong>[1:33:18]</strong> What queer sports storytelling should look like going forward</p><p><strong>[1:35:07]</strong> Book recommendations: Kate Cochran, KT Hoffman, Victoria Zeller</p><p><strong>[1:42:10]</strong> The Sochi Olympics, Tattoo, and <em>Heated Rivalry</em> coming full circle</p><p><strong>[1:47:48]</strong> Wrapping up: Subscribe, support, and join the conversation</p><h2><br></h2><h2>Resources &amp; Links Mentioned</h2><p><br></p><p><strong>Books We Recommend:</strong></p><ul><li>Frankie de la Cretaz. <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781645036623" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Hail Mary: The Rise and Fall of the National Women’s Football League&nbsp;</strong></a></li><li>Adam Berg. <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781477326459" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Olympics that Never Happened: Denver ‘76 and the Politics of Growth</a></li><li>Kate Cochrane. <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781335953742" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wake Up, Nat &amp; Darcy</a></li><li>KT Hoffman. <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9780593596869" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Prospects</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p><ul><li>Frankie de la Cretaz. <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781645036623" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Hail Mary: The Rise and Fall of the National Women’s Football League&nbsp;</strong></a></li><li>Frankie de la Cretaz.“In the Field: An Interview with Sapphic Woho Romance Author Kate Cochrane.” Out of Your League, December 23, 2025. <a href="https://www.thefrankiedlc.news/p/in-the-field-kate-cochrane" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.thefrankiedlc.news/p/in-the-field-kate-cochrane</a>.&nbsp;</li><li>Frankie de la Cretaz. “Sorry but I Don’t Give a Fuck That the NHL Has Embraced ‘Heated Rivalry.’” Out of Your League, December 26, 2025. <a href="https://www.thefrankiedlc.news/p/sorry-but-i-don-t-give-a-fuck-that-the-nhl-has-embraced-heated-rivalry" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.thefrankiedlc.news/p/sorry-but-i-don-t-give-a-fuck-that-the-nhl-has-embraced-heated-rivalry</a>.&nbsp;</li></ul><p><br></p><p><em>Want even more resources, deep dives, and behind-the-scenes context on this episode's topics? Patreon members get access to my exclusive newsletter with extended research, additional links, and insights that didn't make it into the show. You can get the weekly newsletter when you join for free.&nbsp;</em></p><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Become a Patreon member →</strong></a></p><p><br></p><h2>Transcript</h2><p>Full episode transcript here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v7jr_E2ipmYT4AWv84N9WXGpR6RQErwXyLfjvUkrzcE/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v7jr_E2ipmYT4AWv84N9WXGpR6RQErwXyLfjvUkrzcE/edit?usp=sharing</a>&nbsp;</p><br><p><strong>Connect with Mary:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="http://www.marymmahoney.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.marymmahoney.com</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mimimahoney</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Love the show?</strong> Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline.</p><br><p><strong>Frankie de la Cretaz Resources:</strong></p><ul><li><strong>Website: </strong><a href="https://www.britnidlc.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>https://www.britnidlc.com/</strong></a><strong>&nbsp;</strong></li><li><strong>Out Of Your League: </strong><a href="https://www.thefrankiedlc.news/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>https://www.thefrankiedlc.news/</strong></a><strong>&nbsp;</strong></li><li><strong>Book: </strong><a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781645036623" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Hail Mary: The Rise and Fall of the National Women’s Football League&nbsp;</strong></a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/thefrankiedlc/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Instagram</strong></a><strong> | </strong><a href="https://www.threads.com/@thefrankiedlc?xmt=AQF01Bf5kHc-bPup9RCdVhuABo5URTjeu2bbBM7bH3Ncx0o" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Threads </strong></a><strong>| </strong><a href="https://bsky.app/profile/thefrankiedlc.news" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>BlueSky</strong></a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><em>Landline is an interview-based podcast exploring pop culture and history, hosted by Mary Mahoney.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Sports journalist Frankie de la Cretaz joins me to talk about <em>Heated Rivalry</em>, the queer hockey romance that has straight women yelling "kiss!" at NHL games. We get into what that phenomenon reveals about MLM romance, consent in different queer communities, and the complicated politics of who gets to consume queer culture. We also dive into Frankie's experience defeating Boston's 2024 Olympic bid, the PWHL's ICE funding problem, my Lilith Fair kidnapping story, going to Camp Gaylor, and why Lake Placid's Olympic Village is still a functioning prison. This episode is longer than usual because we kept discovering shared obsessions—I laughed until I cried and learned so much.</p><p><br></p><h2>Timestamps</h2><p><strong>[00:00]</strong> Intro: Women yelling "kiss" at NHL games</p><p><strong>[02:19]</strong> Meeting Frankie and Super Bowl hot takes</p><p><strong>[10:05]</strong> Frankie's role in defeating Boston's 2024 Olympic bid</p><p><strong>[15:53]</strong> Lake Placid's Olympic Village-turned-prison (still operational!)</p><p><strong>[18:34]</strong> Olympics as political propaganda and anti-trans victory laps</p><p><strong>[24:57]</strong> USA Hockey's trans ban and the silence of women's hockey players</p><p><strong>[26:56]</strong> The PWHL's Mark Walter problem: funding ICE while having moments of silence</p><p><strong>[30:02]</strong> The NHL's viewership crisis and opportunistic embrace of <em>Heated Rivalry</em></p><p><strong>[34:41]</strong> The "kiss" chants at NHL games</p><p><strong>[39:02]</strong> Mary's Lilith Fair kidnapping story</p><p><strong>[47:09]</strong> Going to Camp Gaylor and writing about it for Cosmo</p><p><strong>[50:34]</strong> Why the Gaylor community matters beyond Taylor's actual sexuality</p><p><strong>[57:17]</strong> Introduction to <em>Heated Rivalry</em>: the show, the books, the obsession</p><p><strong>[1:02:03]</strong> The brilliant narrative adaptation from books to show</p><p><strong>[1:04:10]</strong> It's NOT a happy ending—they got caught, not liberated</p><p><strong>[1:09:47]</strong> Why straight women love MLM romance (and it's complicated)</p><p><strong>[1:14:21]</strong> Cruising culture, consent, and how it works in gay male spaces</p><p><strong>[1:28:40]</strong> Will sapphic sports stories get the same attention?</p><p><strong>[1:30:34]</strong> Pitching the National Women's Football League as a TV series</p><p><strong>[1:33:18]</strong> What queer sports storytelling should look like going forward</p><p><strong>[1:35:07]</strong> Book recommendations: Kate Cochran, KT Hoffman, Victoria Zeller</p><p><strong>[1:42:10]</strong> The Sochi Olympics, Tattoo, and <em>Heated Rivalry</em> coming full circle</p><p><strong>[1:47:48]</strong> Wrapping up: Subscribe, support, and join the conversation</p><h2><br></h2><h2>Resources &amp; Links Mentioned</h2><p><br></p><p><strong>Books We Recommend:</strong></p><ul><li>Frankie de la Cretaz. <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781645036623" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Hail Mary: The Rise and Fall of the National Women’s Football League&nbsp;</strong></a></li><li>Adam Berg. <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781477326459" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Olympics that Never Happened: Denver ‘76 and the Politics of Growth</a></li><li>Kate Cochrane. <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781335953742" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wake Up, Nat &amp; Darcy</a></li><li>KT Hoffman. <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9780593596869" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Prospects</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p><ul><li>Frankie de la Cretaz. <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781645036623" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Hail Mary: The Rise and Fall of the National Women’s Football League&nbsp;</strong></a></li><li>Frankie de la Cretaz.“In the Field: An Interview with Sapphic Woho Romance Author Kate Cochrane.” Out of Your League, December 23, 2025. <a href="https://www.thefrankiedlc.news/p/in-the-field-kate-cochrane" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.thefrankiedlc.news/p/in-the-field-kate-cochrane</a>.&nbsp;</li><li>Frankie de la Cretaz. “Sorry but I Don’t Give a Fuck That the NHL Has Embraced ‘Heated Rivalry.’” Out of Your League, December 26, 2025. <a href="https://www.thefrankiedlc.news/p/sorry-but-i-don-t-give-a-fuck-that-the-nhl-has-embraced-heated-rivalry" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.thefrankiedlc.news/p/sorry-but-i-don-t-give-a-fuck-that-the-nhl-has-embraced-heated-rivalry</a>.&nbsp;</li></ul><p><br></p><p><em>Want even more resources, deep dives, and behind-the-scenes context on this episode's topics? Patreon members get access to my exclusive newsletter with extended research, additional links, and insights that didn't make it into the show. You can get the weekly newsletter when you join for free.&nbsp;</em></p><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Become a Patreon member →</strong></a></p><p><br></p><h2>Transcript</h2><p>Full episode transcript here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v7jr_E2ipmYT4AWv84N9WXGpR6RQErwXyLfjvUkrzcE/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v7jr_E2ipmYT4AWv84N9WXGpR6RQErwXyLfjvUkrzcE/edit?usp=sharing</a>&nbsp;</p><br><p><strong>Connect with Mary:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="http://www.marymmahoney.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.marymmahoney.com</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mimimahoney</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Love the show?</strong> Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline.</p><br><p><strong>Frankie de la Cretaz Resources:</strong></p><ul><li><strong>Website: </strong><a href="https://www.britnidlc.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>https://www.britnidlc.com/</strong></a><strong>&nbsp;</strong></li><li><strong>Out Of Your League: </strong><a href="https://www.thefrankiedlc.news/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>https://www.thefrankiedlc.news/</strong></a><strong>&nbsp;</strong></li><li><strong>Book: </strong><a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781645036623" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Hail Mary: The Rise and Fall of the National Women’s Football League&nbsp;</strong></a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/thefrankiedlc/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Instagram</strong></a><strong> | </strong><a href="https://www.threads.com/@thefrankiedlc?xmt=AQF01Bf5kHc-bPup9RCdVhuABo5URTjeu2bbBM7bH3Ncx0o" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Threads </strong></a><strong>| </strong><a href="https://bsky.app/profile/thefrankiedlc.news" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>BlueSky</strong></a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><em>Landline is an interview-based podcast exploring pop culture and history, hosted by Mary Mahoney.</em></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>The Most Dramatic Sport at the Olympics: A figure skating preview with the lore you need to know with Maura Sullivan Hill</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Figure skating journalist, coach, and writer Maura Sullivan Hill joins me to discuss what I'm predicting will be an extremely messy Winter Olympics. We talk about the lore surrounding today's figure skaters, the politics baked into every aspect of the sport, and why—spoiler alert—Michelle Kwan should have won the gold medal. Plus, Maura breaks my heart by confirming the pachinko is not technically possible.</p><br><p>Timestamps</p><p>00:00 - Introduction and welcoming Maura Sullivan Hill</p><p>03:13 - About Maura's book "Legends of Women's Figure Skating."</p><p>08:18 - Figure skating as a lens for understanding culture and politics</p><p>13:31 - The 2002 Salt Lake City judging scandal</p><p>15:26 - Old 6.0 system vs. new International Judging System</p><p>20:22 - U.S. women's team: Amber Glenn, Alyssa Liu, Isabeau Levito</p><p>28:28 - Amber Glenn as an openly pansexual athlete</p><p>34:25 - Music selection and music rights issues</p><p>43:12 - The French team controversy and Gabriella Papadakis's memoir</p><p>53:39 - Same-sex ice dancing partnerships</p><p>1:01:02 - Deanna Stellato-Dudek competing at age 42</p><p>1:04:38 - Men's figure skating and Ilya Malinin</p><p>1:07:58 - Maxime Naumov's story after the 2024 plane crash</p><p>1:09:38 - Citizenship and nationalism in figure skating</p><p>1:19:45 - Closing and Patreon watch party info</p><br><p><strong>Further Reading/Viewing:</strong></p><ul><li>Check out Maura’s Book,<strong> </strong><a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9780789215246" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Legends of Women’s Figure Skating&nbsp;</a></li><li>Finding Her Edge (Netflix). Is this great? No. Is it fun? Absolutely.&nbsp;</li><li>The Cutting Edge. A classic.&nbsp;</li></ul><p><br></p><p><em>Want even more resources, deep dives, and behind-the-scenes context on this episode's topics? Patreon members get access to my exclusive newsletter with extended research, additional links, and insights that didn't make it into the show. You can get the weekly newsletter when you join for free. Paid members get a monthly bonus episode, access to my AIM Buddly List chat, and more!</em></p><br><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Become a Patreon member →</strong></a></p><br><p><strong>Read the full episode transcript </strong>here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oPLlyYTke-HjI7B4DsWTgqJuDuzGJ7cM5s8nlJzHBDE/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oPLlyYTke-HjI7B4DsWTgqJuDuzGJ7cM5s8nlJzHBDE/edit?usp=sharing</a>&nbsp;</p><br><p><strong>Connect with Mary:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="http://www.marymmahoney.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.marymmahoney.com</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mimimahoney</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Maura:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.maurasullivanhill.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.maurasullivanhill.com/</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/maura.sullivan.hill/#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@maura_sullivan_hill</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Check out Maura’s book, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9780789215246" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Legends of Women’s Figure Skating</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Love the show?</strong> Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Figure skating journalist, coach, and writer Maura Sullivan Hill joins me to discuss what I'm predicting will be an extremely messy Winter Olympics. We talk about the lore surrounding today's figure skaters, the politics baked into every aspect of the sport, and why—spoiler alert—Michelle Kwan should have won the gold medal. Plus, Maura breaks my heart by confirming the pachinko is not technically possible.</p><br><p>Timestamps</p><p>00:00 - Introduction and welcoming Maura Sullivan Hill</p><p>03:13 - About Maura's book "Legends of Women's Figure Skating."</p><p>08:18 - Figure skating as a lens for understanding culture and politics</p><p>13:31 - The 2002 Salt Lake City judging scandal</p><p>15:26 - Old 6.0 system vs. new International Judging System</p><p>20:22 - U.S. women's team: Amber Glenn, Alyssa Liu, Isabeau Levito</p><p>28:28 - Amber Glenn as an openly pansexual athlete</p><p>34:25 - Music selection and music rights issues</p><p>43:12 - The French team controversy and Gabriella Papadakis's memoir</p><p>53:39 - Same-sex ice dancing partnerships</p><p>1:01:02 - Deanna Stellato-Dudek competing at age 42</p><p>1:04:38 - Men's figure skating and Ilya Malinin</p><p>1:07:58 - Maxime Naumov's story after the 2024 plane crash</p><p>1:09:38 - Citizenship and nationalism in figure skating</p><p>1:19:45 - Closing and Patreon watch party info</p><br><p><strong>Further Reading/Viewing:</strong></p><ul><li>Check out Maura’s Book,<strong> </strong><a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9780789215246" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Legends of Women’s Figure Skating&nbsp;</a></li><li>Finding Her Edge (Netflix). Is this great? No. Is it fun? Absolutely.&nbsp;</li><li>The Cutting Edge. A classic.&nbsp;</li></ul><p><br></p><p><em>Want even more resources, deep dives, and behind-the-scenes context on this episode's topics? Patreon members get access to my exclusive newsletter with extended research, additional links, and insights that didn't make it into the show. You can get the weekly newsletter when you join for free. Paid members get a monthly bonus episode, access to my AIM Buddly List chat, and more!</em></p><br><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Become a Patreon member →</strong></a></p><br><p><strong>Read the full episode transcript </strong>here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oPLlyYTke-HjI7B4DsWTgqJuDuzGJ7cM5s8nlJzHBDE/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oPLlyYTke-HjI7B4DsWTgqJuDuzGJ7cM5s8nlJzHBDE/edit?usp=sharing</a>&nbsp;</p><br><p><strong>Connect with Mary:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="http://www.marymmahoney.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.marymmahoney.com</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mimimahoney</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MaryMargaret.Mahoney@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Maura:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.maurasullivanhill.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.maurasullivanhill.com/</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/maura.sullivan.hill/#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@maura_sullivan_hill</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Check out Maura’s book, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9780789215246" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Legends of Women’s Figure Skating</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Love the show?</strong> Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>American Girl at 40: Revising Kirsten, Indigenous Representation, and Playing School with History (with Colette Denalie Dion Montoya)</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>American Girl is turning 40 this year (same, honestly), and with that milestone comes some reckoning with their original books. A few years ago, they quietly released revised editions of some classics, including "Kirsten Learns a Lesson"—the book where Swedish immigrant Kirsten befriends an Indigenous girl named Singing Bird, they somehow communicate without language, and then Singing Bird's family just...leaves Minnesota voluntarily at the end. For my first episode of Landline, I call up Colette Denalie Dion Montoya, an indigenous researcher and librarian, to help me understand what American Girl changed in the new edition and whether swapping out words like "savage" actually addresses the deeply colonial narrative at the heart of this story. We talk about representation, nostalgia versus history, the insidious ways racism gets re-coded, and why Pleasant Rowland collaborating with Barbie feels like a betrayal.</p><br><p>Timestamps</p><p><strong>00:00 — Why American Girl Made Millennials Like This</strong></p><p>Main character energy, history-as-personality, and the doll books that rewired our brains.</p><p><strong>07:00 — “American Girl Is in Its Hot Mess Era”</strong></p><p>Mattel, quiet revisions, and why the 40th anniversary feels… tense.</p><p><strong>12:00 — The Plot of <em>Kirsten Learns a Lesson</em> (Red Flags Included)</strong></p><p>Secret forest meetings, “Indian friends,” and who gets to claim land as “home.”</p><p><strong>23:30 — What American Girl Changed (and What They Didn’t)</strong></p><p>From “savages” to “treaties”: how blame quietly moves off settlers and onto “the government.”</p><p><strong>38:00 — Nostalgia vs. History</strong></p><p>Why revisions, Barbie collabs, and 90s dolls reveal what the brand values now.</p><br><p><strong>Further Reading/Viewing:</strong></p><ul><li>Cooperative Children’s Book Center, School of Education, University of Wisconsin-Madison. Diversity Statistics and Graphics: <a href="https://ccbc.education.wisc.edu/literature-resources/ccbc-diversity-statistics/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ccbc.education.wisc.edu/literature-resources/ccbc-diversity-statistics/</a>&nbsp;</li><li>LibGuides: Native American Literature: Children’s Books (from Ohio Northern University): <a href="https://library.onu.edu/c.php?g=1279965&amp;p=9394796" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://library.onu.edu/c.php?g=1279965&amp;p=9394796</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="https://www.americanyawp.com/text/12-manifest-destiny/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">“Manifest Destiny”</a> in The American Yawp (a collaborative textbook on American history)&nbsp;</li><li><a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0695212/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">“Running Zach”</a> episode of Saved by the Bell, which its star discussed (and apologized for) on a later rewatch podcast, <a href="https://pod.link/1524292915" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zack to the Future.</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781250792839" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dolls of Our Lives: Why We Can’t Quit American Girl </a>(full disclosure: I co-wrote this unhinged history of a brand that has meant a lot to me!)&nbsp;</li></ul><p><br></p><p><em>Want even more resources, deep dives, and behind-the-scenes context on this episode's topics? Patreon members get access to my exclusive newsletter with extended research, additional links, and insights that didn't make it into the show. You can get the weekly newsletter when you join for free.&nbsp;Paid members get a monthly bonus episode, access to my AIM Buddly List chat, and more! </em></p><br><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Become a Patreon member →</strong></a></p><br><p><br></p><p><strong>Read the full episode transcript</strong> <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GY9vpEsF4CPdkcppujqW5gXKLY_u4xl7mfguine7DxY/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">here</a>: (link: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GY9vpEsF4CPdkcppujqW5gXKLY_u4xl7mfguine7DxY/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GY9vpEsF4CPdkcppujqW5gXKLY_u4xl7mfguine7DxY/edit?usp=sharing</a> )&nbsp;</p><br><p><strong>Connect with Mary:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="http://www.marymmahoney.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.marymmahoney.com</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mimimahoney</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Colette:&nbsp;</strong></p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/colettka_cutletka/#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@colettka_cutletka&nbsp;</a></p><br><p><strong>Love the show?</strong> Please leave a rating and review! It helps other listeners find Landline.</p><p><br></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>American Girl is turning 40 this year (same, honestly), and with that milestone comes some reckoning with their original books. A few years ago, they quietly released revised editions of some classics, including "Kirsten Learns a Lesson"—the book where Swedish immigrant Kirsten befriends an Indigenous girl named Singing Bird, they somehow communicate without language, and then Singing Bird's family just...leaves Minnesota voluntarily at the end. For my first episode of Landline, I call up Colette Denalie Dion Montoya, an indigenous researcher and librarian, to help me understand what American Girl changed in the new edition and whether swapping out words like "savage" actually addresses the deeply colonial narrative at the heart of this story. We talk about representation, nostalgia versus history, the insidious ways racism gets re-coded, and why Pleasant Rowland collaborating with Barbie feels like a betrayal.</p><br><p>Timestamps</p><p><strong>00:00 — Why American Girl Made Millennials Like This</strong></p><p>Main character energy, history-as-personality, and the doll books that rewired our brains.</p><p><strong>07:00 — “American Girl Is in Its Hot Mess Era”</strong></p><p>Mattel, quiet revisions, and why the 40th anniversary feels… tense.</p><p><strong>12:00 — The Plot of <em>Kirsten Learns a Lesson</em> (Red Flags Included)</strong></p><p>Secret forest meetings, “Indian friends,” and who gets to claim land as “home.”</p><p><strong>23:30 — What American Girl Changed (and What They Didn’t)</strong></p><p>From “savages” to “treaties”: how blame quietly moves off settlers and onto “the government.”</p><p><strong>38:00 — Nostalgia vs. History</strong></p><p>Why revisions, Barbie collabs, and 90s dolls reveal what the brand values now.</p><br><p><strong>Further Reading/Viewing:</strong></p><ul><li>Cooperative Children’s Book Center, School of Education, University of Wisconsin-Madison. Diversity Statistics and Graphics: <a href="https://ccbc.education.wisc.edu/literature-resources/ccbc-diversity-statistics/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ccbc.education.wisc.edu/literature-resources/ccbc-diversity-statistics/</a>&nbsp;</li><li>LibGuides: Native American Literature: Children’s Books (from Ohio Northern University): <a href="https://library.onu.edu/c.php?g=1279965&amp;p=9394796" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://library.onu.edu/c.php?g=1279965&amp;p=9394796</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="https://www.americanyawp.com/text/12-manifest-destiny/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">“Manifest Destiny”</a> in The American Yawp (a collaborative textbook on American history)&nbsp;</li><li><a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0695212/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">“Running Zach”</a> episode of Saved by the Bell, which its star discussed (and apologized for) on a later rewatch podcast, <a href="https://pod.link/1524292915" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zack to the Future.</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="https://bookshop.org/a/102042/9781250792839" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dolls of Our Lives: Why We Can’t Quit American Girl </a>(full disclosure: I co-wrote this unhinged history of a brand that has meant a lot to me!)&nbsp;</li></ul><p><br></p><p><em>Want even more resources, deep dives, and behind-the-scenes context on this episode's topics? Patreon members get access to my exclusive newsletter with extended research, additional links, and insights that didn't make it into the show. 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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Landline is the podcast where pop culture gets some context. Hosted by historian Mary Mahoney—your millennial friend with too many interests and not enough friends willing to talk on the phone—each episode calls up guests to connect today’s celebrity culture, internet trends, TV, music, and movies to the histories that explain why it all feels so familiar (even if it’s not).</p><br><p>Blending non-boring history, sharp cultural analysis, and the intimacy of a private phone call, <em>Landline</em> helps listeners make sense of the present by dialing into the past.</p><br><p>Want more Landline? Join <a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Landline on Patreon.</a> You’ll get a weekly newsletter and bi-weekly episodes delivered to you all for free. For $5 a month, you can get a bonus episode, a weekly newsletter of links and recommendations, chat with other listeners about all things pop culture and history, suggest topics for future episodes, and more!</p><br><p>Full transcript here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BHkqtU7EJ8537Uo2wlSURrKMZiLx_tByVFs6P_bL4rU/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BHkqtU7EJ8537Uo2wlSURrKMZiLx_tByVFs6P_bL4rU/edit?usp=sharing</a>&nbsp;</p><br><p><strong>Connect with Mary:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="http://www.marymmahoney.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.marymmahoney.com</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mimimahoney</a></li></ul><p><br></p><br><p><br></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[<p>Landline is the podcast where pop culture gets some context. Hosted by historian Mary Mahoney—your millennial friend with too many interests and not enough friends willing to talk on the phone—each episode calls up guests to connect today’s celebrity culture, internet trends, TV, music, and movies to the histories that explain why it all feels so familiar (even if it’s not).</p><br><p>Blending non-boring history, sharp cultural analysis, and the intimacy of a private phone call, <em>Landline</em> helps listeners make sense of the present by dialing into the past.</p><br><p>Want more Landline? Join <a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/MaryMahoney" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Landline on Patreon.</a> You’ll get a weekly newsletter and bi-weekly episodes delivered to you all for free. For $5 a month, you can get a bonus episode, a weekly newsletter of links and recommendations, chat with other listeners about all things pop culture and history, suggest topics for future episodes, and more!</p><br><p>Full transcript here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BHkqtU7EJ8537Uo2wlSURrKMZiLx_tByVFs6P_bL4rU/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BHkqtU7EJ8537Uo2wlSURrKMZiLx_tByVFs6P_bL4rU/edit?usp=sharing</a>&nbsp;</p><br><p><strong>Connect with Mary:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="http://www.marymmahoney.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.marymmahoney.com</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mimimahoney/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mimimahoney</a></li></ul><p><br></p><br><p><br></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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