Founded in 1998 by Laura Montgomery and Carol Anne Stewart, Glasgow City built an elite program without the financial backing of a major men’s club. Chris traces the extraordinary run of 14 consecutive league titles, 16 championships overall, domestic trebles and historic UEFA Women’s Champions League quarterfinal appearances.

The episode explores club legends including Leanne Ross, Suzanne Lappin, Jo Love, Hayley Lauder and Lee Gibson, plus Glasgow City’s role in developing stars such as Erin Cuthbert, Lisa Evans, Jane Ross and Denise O’Sullivan.

Chris also examines the rivalry with Hibernian, the growing challenge from Rangers and Celtic, the emotional legacy of Kat Lindner, life at Petershill Park, and Lauren Davidson’s dramatic 2023 title-winning goal at Ibrox.

It’s the story of how Glasgow City helped build Scottish women’s football — and how an independent club continues competing against institutions with vastly greater resources.

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Founded by Croatian immigrants in 1953, Melbourne Knights became one of Australia’s strongest clubs, winning back-to-back NSL championships in 1995 and 1996 and developing generations of internationals. Chris traces the rise of stars including Mark Viduka, Josip Biškic, Andrew Marth, Joe Šimunić, Danny Tiatto and Ljubo Miličević, along with the club’s fierce rivalry with South Melbourne.

The episode examines Football Australia’s controversial 1993 policy removing ethnic names, the transformation from Melbourne Croatia to Melbourne Knights, and supporters’ determination to preserve the club’s Croatian colors, symbols and culture.

Chris also explores Somers Street, the collapse of the NSL, exclusion from the A-League, Melbourne’s 2023 Australia Cup semifinal run and the current push under Michael Calandrella to return to NPL Victoria.

It’s a story of migration, football identity, national success and a community that refused to let assimilation erase its history.

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Founded in 2009 under Mamelodi Sundowns owner Patrice Motsepe, the team has won eight South African championships and captured the CAF Women’s Champions League in 2021 and 2023. Chris traces the rise built under longtime coach Jerry Tshabalala, including the inaugural continental title, extraordinary domestic scoring records and the development of an elite football environment at the club’s Chloorkop training complex.

The episode features key figures including Andile Dlamini, Bambanani Mbane, Boitumelo Rabale, Refilwe Tholakele, Noxolo Cesane and Nthabiseng Majiya, while examining Sundowns’ growing rivalry with Morocco’s AS FAR.

Chris also explores the competitive advantages created by Sundowns’ resources, the rapid professionalization of African women’s football, their influence on Banyana Banyana, and the challenge of maintaining dominance as clubs across Africa raise their standards.

It’s the story of how Mamelodi Sundowns Ladies helped make excellence in African women’s club football feel normal.

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Founded in 1889, Mohun Bagan built its legend in 1911 when the largely barefoot Immortal Eleven defeated the East Yorkshire Regiment to win the IFA Shield under British rule. Chris traces that historic victory through stars including Shibdas Bhaduri, Abhilash Ghosh, Gostha Pal, Sailen Manna and Chuni Goswami.

The episode also explores the fierce Kolkata Derby with East Bengal, the club’s roots around the Maidan, major matches at Salt Lake Stadium, and legendary figures including José Ramírez Barreto.

Chris examines Mohun Bagan’s transition into the Indian Super League, the controversial ATK Mohun Bagan era, supporter protests, RPSG investment and the modern Mohun Bagan Super Giant identity.

Current names including Vishal Kaith, Subhasish Bose, Manvir Singh, Liston Colaco and Sahal Abdul Samad connect more than 135 years of history to the present.

It’s a story of football, colonialism, rivalry, identity and why Mohun Bagan remain one of Indian sport’s defining institutions.

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Founded in 2012, Detroit City FC grew through the passion of the Northern Guard Supporters, community investment and a remarkable campaign that raised more than $740,000 to renovate historic Keyworth Stadium in Hamtramck. Chris traces DCFC’s rise from the NPSL to NISA and eventually the USL Championship, including league titles, playoff runs and a memorable U.S. Open Cup victory over Columbus Crew.

The episode also explores Detroit City’s inclusive supporter culture, community ownership stake, Rust Belt identity and plans for a new 15,000-seat stadium in Southwest Detroit.

Current figures including Danny Dichio, Darren Smith, Maxi Rodríguez, Devon Amoo-Mensah and Kobe Hernández-Foster carry the club into its next era.

It’s the story of how supporters, investors and a city built a football club from the ground up — before professional soccer ever arrived.

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Founded in 1958 and transformed after Michel Deller and his partners took control in 2007, Independiente built its rise around elite youth development rather than traditional size or spending. Chris traces the academy that produced Moisés Caicedo, Willian Pacho, Piero Hincapié, Kendry Páez, Gonzalo Plata and Angelo Preciado.

The episode also explores Independiente’s remarkable 2016 Copa Libertadores run past River Plate and Boca Juniors, Copa Sudamericana titles in 2019 and 2022, the 2023 Recopa Sudamericana victory over Flamengo and the club’s modern home at Estadio Banco Guayaquil inside the Valley of Dreams training complex.

Current figures including Junior Sornoza, Richard Schunke, Emerson Pata, Matías Perelló and Joaquín Papa continue a model built on scouting, education, coaching and reinvestment.

It’s the story of how Independiente del Valle turned an academy into one of South American football’s smartest competitive advantages.

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Founded originally in 1933, Austria Salzburg reached the 1994 UEFA Cup final, won three Austrian league titles and competed in the Champions League before Red Bull purchased the professional club in 2005. When violet and white were replaced by red and white, supporters formed Initiative Violett-Weiß and re-established SV Austria Salzburg from the lower leagues.

Chris traces the club’s remarkable climb from the seventh tier, repeated promotion battles, financial setbacks and eventual return to Austria’s 2. Liga. The episode also explores the symbolic 2023 cup meeting with Red Bull Salzburg, the Max Aicher Stadion, fan ownership and the continuing debate over football identity and continuity.

Current figures including Christian Schaider, Luca Meisl, Manuel Krainz, Christian Gebauer and Tamar Crnkić connect the rebuilt club to its next chapter.

It’s a story of supporter power, club identity and why Austria Salzburg’s violet colors became something worth fighting for.

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Rooted in Malmö FF Dam and later known as LdB FC Malmö, Rosengård have won a record 14 Swedish league championships while developing and attracting stars including Marta, Caroline Seger, Therese Sjögran, Anja Mittag, Manon Melis and Lena Videkull.

Chris explores Rosengård’s identity in Malmö, its community programs, home at Malmö IP, and growing rivalry with the newly promoted women’s team of Malmö FF.

The episode also examines the dramatic contrast between Rosengård’s dominant 2024 title season and its struggles in 2025 and 2026, plus the return of coach Joel Kjetselberg and current players including Moa Edrud, Thea Sørbo, Ria Öling, Remy Siemsen and Anam Imo.

It’s a story about women’s football history, independence, professionalization and whether the clubs that built the game can survive the new era they helped create.

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Founded as a professional club in 1954, Pumas UNAM have won seven Liga MX championships and three CONCACAF Champions Cups while building one of Mexican football’s most respected youth systems. Chris traces the club’s history through legends including Hugo Sánchez, Jorge Campos, Manuel Negrete, Luis García and Ricardo “Tuca” Ferretti, along with the famous cantera that helped develop generations of Mexican internationals.

The episode also explores the Estadio Olímpico Universitario, its Diego Rivera mural and UNESCO World Heritage setting, plus the fierce Clásico Capitalino rivalry with Club América and major battles with Cruz Azul.

Modern Pumas feature Keylor Navas, Adalberto Carrasquilla, Pedro Vite, Uriel Antuna and Robert Morales, while new manager Esteban Solari attempts to end the club’s long Liga MX title drought.

It’s the story of a football club shaped by university identity, Mexican art, youth development and one of the most recognizable badges in world soccer.

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Founded in 1939, TP Mazembe have won 20 Congolese league titles and five African championships while building a continental powerhouse under longtime president Moïse Katumbi. Chris traces the club’s rise through stars including Trésor Mputu, Robert Kidiaba, Stopilla Sunzu, Rainford Kalaba and Mbwana Samatta.

The centerpiece is Mazembe’s extraordinary 2010 FIFA Club World Cup run, when victories over Pachuca and Internacional made them the first African club ever to reach the final, where they faced Inter Milan.

The episode also explores the Lubumbashi derby with FC Saint-Éloi Lupopo, rivalry with AS Vita Club, the Stade TP Mazembe, the club’s mining-region identity, its powerful recruitment network and the success of the TP Mazembe women’s team, winners of the 2024 CAF Women’s Champions League.

It’s the story of a Congolese superclub that permanently changed Africa’s place in global club football.

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Founded in 1969 as Yomiuri Football Club, Verdy became the inaugural J.League champions in 1993 and defended the title in 1994 behind stars including Kazuyoshi Miura, Ruy Ramos, Tsuyoshi Kitazawa and Bismarck. Chris traces the club’s move from Kawasaki to Tokyo, its rivalry with FC Tokyo, ownership crisis and long exile in J2.

The episode also covers Itsuki Someno’s dramatic 2023 promotion playoff penalty, Verdy’s return to J1, the importance of its academy, and the influence of Tokyo Verdy Beleza in Japanese women’s football.

Modern figures including Hiroshi Jofuku, Koki Morita, Hiroto Yamami and Daiki Fukazawa connect the rebuilt club to its ambitious past.

It’s a story of Japanese football, corporate power, relegation, community and how Tokyo Verdy learned that becoming local mattered more than remaining a national superclub.

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Founded in 1910 by railway workers inspired by England’s Corinthian Football Club, Corinthians grew into the “team of the people,” winning seven Brazilian championships, four Copa do Brasil titles, the Copa Libertadores and two FIFA-recognized world club championships.

Chris explores the famous Democracia Corinthiana movement of the early 1980s, when Sócrates, Wladimir, Walter Casagrande and Adílson Monteiro Alves introduced player and staff voting while Brazil remained under military dictatorship.

The episode also covers the Palmeiras Derby Paulista rivalry, the Neo Química Arena, the Fiel supporter culture, legends including Basílio, Marcelinho Carioca, Ronaldo, Cássio and Paolo Guerrero, and Corinthians’ dominant women’s team.

Modern names including Fernando Diniz, Yuri Alberto, Memphis Depay, Jesse Lingard, Hugo Souza and Breno Bidon connect that history to the current club.

It’s a story of football, politics, working-class identity and why Corinthians remain one of Brazil’s defining institutions.

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Founded in 1885, Bury Football Club won two FA Cups, spent decades in the Football League and developed players including Colin Bell, Neville Southall, Lee Dixon and Nick Pope. But financial collapse under owner Steve Dale left players unpaid and ultimately saw the EFL remove Bury from the league.

Chris traces the extraordinary supporter-led recovery: the creation of Bury AFC, the campaign to purchase Gigg Lane, and the eventual merger that reunited the historic name, stadium and football team under community ownership.

The episode also covers Bury’s back-to-back promotions in 2024–25 and 2025–26, manager Anthony Johnson, leading scorer Kai Evans, and the club’s new challenge in the Northern Premier League Premier Division.

It’s a story about fan ownership, football finance, community identity and what really remains when a football club’s company collapses.

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Founded in 1971, Turbine Potsdam developed under longtime coach Bernd Schröder, surviving political restrictions in the German Democratic Republic before emerging after reunification as one of Europe’s elite women’s teams. Chris traces the club’s six unified German championships, three German Cups and two European titles, including the historic 2010 UEFA Women’s Champions League final against Lyon.

The episode features legendary players including Nadine Angerer, Anja Mittag, Conny Pohlers, Ariane Hingst and Tabea Kemme, while examining the importance of Turbine’s renowned academy and the Karl-Liebknecht-Stadion.

Chris also explores Turbine’s modern struggle to compete with increasingly wealthy women’s teams backed by Bundesliga giants, recent relegations, and the rebuilding effort under Steen Gravgaard Ladefoged.

It’s the story of a club that proved women’s football could create its own history, supporters, academy and European champions without relying on a famous men’s team.

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Founded in 1997 and backed by the powerful Sheriff corporation, FC Sheriff quickly transformed Moldova’s football hierarchy, winning 20 league titles and 14 Moldovan Cups while operating from Tiraspol, the capital of the unrecognized territory of Transnistria.

Chris traces Sheriff’s rise through its rivalry with Zimbru Chișinău, the development of the Sheriff Arena, and the international recruitment model that made the club a regular presence in UEFA competition.

The centerpiece is Sheriff’s extraordinary 2021 Champions League run under Yuriy Vernydub, featuring victories over Shakhtar Donetsk and Real Madrid at the Santiago Bernabéu, where Sébastien Thill scored one of the competition’s most memorable late winners.

The episode also explores Sheriff’s connection to Transnistrian politics and business, the impact of the war in Ukraine, and the modern squad’s attempt to reclaim domestic dominance.

It’s the story of a club that is simultaneously a football powerhouse, corporate project, and symbol of a territory the world does not recognize as a country.

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Founded in 2004 and rooted in Auckland’s Croatian immigrant football community, Auckland City FC have won 13 OFC Champions League titles and repeatedly represented Oceania at the FIFA Club World Cup. Chris traces the club’s remarkable 2014 run to third place, featuring Ivan Vicelich, Ryan De Vries and Ramón Tribulietx, and its unforgettable 2025 Club World Cup draw with Boca Juniors after matches against Bayern Munich and Benfica.

The episode also explores the club’s home at Kiwitea Street, links to Central United, volunteer-driven structure, dominance of New Zealand football and rivalry with Wellington Olympic.

Current figures including Rudy Mozr, Regont Murati, Gerard Garriga and Angus Kilkolly help carry forward a club whose players still balance football with jobs and study.

Auckland City’s story is about how community, continuity and amateur football can still reach the world stage.

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Founded by Natalie Portman, Kara Nortman and Julie Uhrman, with early investment from Alexis Ohanian, Angel City launched in 2022 with a star-studded ownership group including Mia Hamm, Serena Williams, Billie Jean King and Abby Wambach. Chris examines how the club built huge crowds at BMO Stadium, developed supporter culture through La Fortaleza, and tied sponsorship revenue directly to community programs.

The episode also covers the signing and comeback of Christen Press, Angel City’s first NWSL playoff appearance, the ownership takeover by Willow Bay and Bob Iger, and the club’s rapid rise to a reported $335 million valuation.

On the field, Chris looks at Sveindís Jónsdóttir, Maiara Niehues, Sarah Gorden, Ally Sentnor, Sydney Leroux and Claire Emslie, plus Angel City’s rivalry with San Diego Wave and the challenge of turning commercial success into sustained NWSL winning.

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Founded in 1898, Athletic Club has remained in Spain’s top flight since LaLiga began while winning 8 league championships and 25 Copa del Rey titles. Chris explores the club’s famous recruitment philosophy, which limits players to those born or developed in the Basque football region, and the crucial role of the Lezama academy in sustaining it.

The episode features club legends Pichichi, Telmo Zarra, José Ángel Iribar and Iker Muniain, along with modern stars Unai Simón, Iñaki Williams, Nico Williams, Oihan Sancet and Aymeric Laporte.

Chris also covers San Mamés, the Basque derby with Real Sociedad, Athletic’s member-owned structure, the return of La Gabarra after the 2024 Copa del Rey triumph, and the arrival of Edin Terzić.

It’s the story of a club proving that identity can still be a competitive choice.

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Founded in 1970 by Kaizer Motaung after his success with the Atlanta Chiefs in the NASL, Kaizer Chiefs quickly became a powerhouse in South Africa. Chris traces the club’s rise through legendary players including Patrick “Ace” Ntsoelengoe, Doctor Khumalo, Lucas Radebe, Marks Maponyane and Collins Mbesuma, along with domestic championships, cup success and the 2001 African Cup Winners’ Cup.

The episode explores the fierce Orlando Pirates rivalry, the cultural importance of the Soweto Derby, Chiefs’ connection to FNB Stadium, the 2001 Ellis Park tragedy and the remarkable story behind the Kaiser Chiefs rock band’s name.

Chris also examines the club’s recent trophy drought, 2025 Nedbank Cup success, return to continental competition and the current era featuring Fernando da Cruz, Brandon Petersen, Inácio Miguel, Flávio Silva and Mfundo Vilakazi.

It’s the story of Amakhosi: glamour, rivalry, history and one of African football’s most powerful supporter cultures.

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Founded in 1932, FC Vaduz represent Liechtenstein but compete every week in the Swiss football pyramid because their country has no domestic league. Their route into UEFA competition instead comes through the Liechtenstein Cup, a tournament Vaduz have won an extraordinary 52 times.

Chris explores the club’s historic 2022 UEFA Conference League run, including victories over Konyaspor and Rapid Vienna, and its home at the scenic Rheinpark Stadion beside the Rhine and Swiss border.

The episode also covers Liechtenstein legends Franz Burgmeier, Mario Frick and Nicolas Hasler, Vaduz’s 2025–26 Swiss Challenge League championship under Marc Schneider, and key players including Marcel Monsberger, Dominik Schwizer and Lutfi Dalipi.

From dominating its national cup to battling Switzerland’s biggest clubs, FC Vaduz occupies a unique place between two football systems — giving one of Europe’s smallest nations a genuine professional club and a recurring path onto the European stage.

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Founded by Palestinian immigrants in 1920, Palestino has won 2 Chilean league titles and 3 Copa Chile trophies while competing against giants including Colo-Colo, Universidad de Chile and Universidad Católica. The episode traces the club’s rise through stars such as Elías Figueroa, Óscar Fabbiani and Roberto Coll, its historic 44-match unbeaten run and memorable Copa Libertadores campaigns.

Chris also explores Palestino’s powerful connection to the Palestinian diaspora, from its red, green, black and white shirts and map-inspired crest to the controversial 2014 jersey design that sparked an international dispute.

The story includes Estadio Municipal de La Cisterna, the Clásico de Colonias rivalry with Unión Española and Audax Italiano, modern players Bryan Carrasco, Enzo Roco and Nelson Da Silva, manager Guillermo Farré, and Rania Sansur’s historic connection between Palestino and the Palestine women’s national team.

It’s a remarkable story of Chilean football, Palestinian identity and a club representing a community across two continents.

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Bohemian FC, the League of Ireland Premier Division and Dublin football culture are the focus of this episode of Why We Love This Club, as Chris Horwedel explores the history, fan ownership and identity of one of Ireland’s most distinctive clubs.

Founded in 1890 and still 100% member-owned, Bohemians have won 11 League of Ireland titles and 7 FAI Cups while building a fierce rivalry with Shamrock Rovers. The episode traces Bohs from Phoenix Park to Dalymount Park, the historic Dublin ground that has hosted Republic of Ireland matches, Pelé and Santos, Bob Marley, Thin Lizzy and generations of Irish football history.

Chris also examines Bohemians’ community activism, collaborations with Fontaines D.C. and Kneecap, support for Palestine and refugees, and the long-awaited redevelopment of Dalymount Park.

On the pitch, the story includes club legends Jackie Jameson, Kevin Hunt and Glen Crowe, plus current names Dawson Devoy, Colm Whelan and Ross Tierney as Bohemians pursue another significant League of Ireland season.

It’s a story of Irish football, fan ownership, music, politics, community and why Bohemian FC matters far beyond the table.

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