Backlisted

The World According to Garp by John Irving

Mon, 11 May 2020 06:32:51 GMT

John Irving's fourth novel The World According to Garp (1978) is the subject of this episode of Backlisted. Joining John and Andy to explore this unlikely bestseller and discuss its contemporary relevance are author Nikita Lalwani (You People) and novelist and screenwriter Matt Thorne (8 Minutes Idle), both returning to the podcast after their joint appearance on episode #63, Something Happened by Joseph Heller. This week John has also been reading Stones of Aran: Pilgrimage by the late Tim Robinson. And with so many Bob Dylan fans gathered together for the show, it was inevitable talk would turn to the Nobel Prize winner's first new songs for eight years, 'Murder Most Foul' and 'I Contain Multitudes'.

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The Journal of a Disappointed Man by W.N.P. Barbellion

Sun, 26 Apr 2020 23:01:08 GMT

W.N.P Barbellion's The Journal of a Disappointed Man, first published in 1919, is the subject of this episode of Backlisted. Joining John and Andy to discuss this remarkable book are novelist Claire Fuller and nature writer Will Atkins. In addition, John has been reading The Oxford Companion to Food by Alan Davidson while Andy talks about Nikita Lalwani's new novel You People.

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Excellent Women by Barbara Pym

Sun, 12 Apr 2020 23:01:03 GMT

We're back! Barbara Pym's second novel Excellent Women, first published in 1952, is the subject of this episode of Backlisted. Joining John and Andy to discuss it are Pym aficionados and literary agents Becky Brown and Norah Perkins from Curtis Brown Heritage. In addition, John has been reading The Mabinogi by Matthew Francis while Andy and guests rave about two novels, Troy Chimneys by Margaret Kennedy and A Wreath for the Enemy by Pamela Frankau.

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Locklisted - March 27th 2020

Tue, 31 Mar 2020 05:07:40 GMT

Locklisted is John Mitchinson and Andy Miller, the hosts of Backlisted, and their producer Nicky Birch, chatting about books, films, TV, music etc. and generally giving new life to old pubs. It was recorded on March 27th 2020. For obvious reasons we weren't actually in the pub this time and used the Internet and various laptops HOPE THAT'S OK WITH YOU. NB. This is not an episode of Backlisted; think of it as a spin-off or a bootleg. Backlisted returns in April 2020.

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Locklisted - March 20th 2020

Mon, 23 Mar 2020 05:53:45 GMT

Locklisted is John Mitchinson and Andy Miller, the hosts of Backlisted, and their producer Nicky Birch, chatting about books, films, TV, music etc. and generally giving new life to old pubs. It was recorded on March 20th 2020. For obvious reasons we weren't actually in the pub this time and used the Internet and various laptops HOPE THAT'S OK WITH YOU. NB. This is not an episode of Backlisted; think of it as a spin-off or a bootleg. Backlisted returns in April 2020.

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Locklisted - Feb 28th 2020

Mon, 02 Mar 2020 00:01:00 GMT

Locklisted is John Mitchinson and Andy Miller, the hosts of Backlisted, and their producer Nicky Birch, chatting about books, films, TV, music etc. and generally giving new life to old pubs. It was recorded round the corner from The Wenlock Arms, a pub in North London, on February 28th 2020, rather than actually in the pub this time HOPE THAT'S OK WITH YOU. NB. This is not an episode of Backlisted; think of it as a spin-off or a bootleg. Backlisted returns in spring 2020.

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Locklisted - Jan 17th 2020

Mon, 27 Jan 2020 00:01:00 GMT

Locklisted is John Mitchinson and Andy Miller, the hosts of Backlisted, and their producer Nicky Birch, chatting about books, films, TV, music etc. and generally giving new life to old pubs. It was recorded at The Wenlock Arms, a pub in North London, on January 17th 2020. NB. This is not an episode of Backlisted; think of it as a spin-off or a bootleg. Backlisted returns in spring 2020.

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A La Recherche du Temps Perdu by Marcel Proust

Wed, 25 Dec 2019 00:01:13 GMT

Marcel Proust's A La Recherche du Temps Perdu AKA In Search of Lost Time is the subject of this bumper Christmas special episode, which was recorded live at the London Library on December 11th 2019. Joining John and Andy are novelist Lissa Evans plus a couple of surprise guests along the way. Other books discussed include Cooking In Ten Minutes by Edouard de Pomiane and Ulysses by James Joyce. Please note: this is the last episode of Backlisted until spring 2020.

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Riceyman Steps by Arnold Bennett

Mon, 09 Dec 2019 07:00:13 GMT

Arnold Bennett's 1923 novel Riceyman Steps is the subject of this episode. Joining John and Andy to discuss it are journalist Charlotte Higgins and novelist Kit De Waal. In addition, John has been reading The Northumbrians by Dan Jackson while Andy talks about Never Let Me Go - and other books - by Nobel laureate Kazuo Ishiguro.

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Edith's Diary by Patricia Highsmith

Mon, 25 Nov 2019 07:00:33 GMT

Patricia Highsmith's novel Edith's Diary (1977) is the book under discussion. John and Andy are joined by writers Karen McLeod and John Grindrod. Plus Andy has been reading Alfred Hitchcock and the Three Investigators in The Mystery of the Stuttering Parrot and John talks about Daily Rituals: Women at Work by Mason Currey. This episode was recorded live at Bookseller Crow (https://booksellercrow.co.uk) in South London on Nov 13th 2019.

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The Rings of Saturn by W.G. Sebald

Mon, 11 Nov 2019 07:00:44 GMT

W.G. Sebald's book The Rings of Saturn, first published in Germany in 1995, is the subject of this episode. Joining John and Andy to walk around this enigmatic masterpiece are the writer and swimmer Philip Hoare and the novelist Jessie Greengrass. Other books under discussion are The Years by Annie Ernaux and Fiona Benson's award-winning poetry collection Vertigo & Ghost.

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The Breaking Point by Daphne du Maurier

Mon, 28 Oct 2019 07:00:22 GMT

It's Halloween! Daphne du Maurier's The Breaking Point AKA The Blue Lenses is a collection of psychological horror stories that was first published in 1959. Joining John and Andy to discuss it are academic and du Maurier expert Dr Laura Varnam and, returning for Halloween, writer and critic Andrew Male. We also talk about the haunting books Andy and John have been reading this week: Copsford by Walter J.C. Murray (Little Toller) and The World of the Unknown: All About Ghosts by Christopher Maynard (Usborne).

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Absalom, Absalom! by William Faulkner

Mon, 14 Oct 2019 06:00:24 GMT

Absalom, Absalom! is the subject of this episode and William Faukner's ninth novel first published in 1936. Returning to Backlisted as our guest is Professor Sarah Churchwell. Also under discussion are Sweet Home, a book of short stories by Wendy Erskine, and Thomas Bernhard's classic Old Masters.

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The Soul of Kindness by Elizabeth Taylor

Mon, 30 Sep 2019 06:00:24 GMT

Novelist Elizabeth Taylor is the subject of this episode of Backlisted. Joining Andy and John to discuss The Soul of Kindness (1964) - and much more besides - are author and founder of Virago Press Carmen Callil and journalist and critic Rachel Cooke, plus occasional contributions from Carmen's Border Terrier, Effie. John has been reading Surfacing, a new collection of essays by Kathleen Jamie, while Andy has been enjoying Richard King's The Lark Ascending: The Music of the British Landscape.

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Of Walking in Ice by Werner Herzog

Mon, 16 Sep 2019 06:00:26 GMT

Filmmaker Werner Herzog's journal Of Walking in Ice is the subject of this episode, recorded at the End of the Road festival at Larmer Tree Gardens in Dorset on September 1st 2019. Joining John and Andy is writer and critic Luke Turner (Out of the Woods). Other books under discussion are Time Lived, Without Its Flow by Denise Riley and March of the Lemmings: Brexit in Print and Performance 2016-2019 by Stewart Lee.

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The Anatomy of Melancholy by Robert Burton

Mon, 02 Sep 2019 06:00:16 GMT

Philip Pullman is our guest on the 100th episode of Backlisted. John, Andy and Nicky travelled to Oxford for this special episode devoted to Robert Burton's extraordinary 1400-page The Anatomy of Melancholy, first published in 1621 and described by Sir Philip as 'a glorious and intoxicating and endlessly refreshing reward for reading ... Nor would we wish the book to be a sentence shorter, or be without one of the thousands of anecdotes and quotations. This is one of the indispensable books; for my money, it is the best of all'.

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Books about The Beatles

Mon, 19 Aug 2019 06:00:06 GMT

Books about the Beatles are the subject of this special episode recorded at Cornwall's Port Eliot festival on July 27th 2019. Joining John and Andy for this celebration of all things fab are lifelong Beatles fans, journalists and authors David Hepworth and Mark Ellen. Titles discussed include '"Love Me Do!": The Beatles' Progress' by Michael Braun; 'The Beatles Anthology'; 'Revolution in the Head' by Ian MacDonald; 'Up Against It' by Joe Orton, and more.

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Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban

Mon, 05 Aug 2019 06:00:05 GMT

Russell Hoban's extraordinary novel Riddley Walker (1980) is the subject of this episode recorded live at the Port Eliot Festival in Cornwall on Friday July 26th 2019. Joining John and Andy to discuss the book are Max Porter, author of Grief is the Thing With Feathers and Lanny, and New York Times best-selling sci-fi novelist Una McCormack. (Apologies for the sound on this episode, which is muffled at points, we had a few technical hiccoughs. And read the book!)

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The Illustrated Man by Ray Bradbury

Mon, 22 Jul 2019 06:00:14 GMT

Ray Bradbury's uncanny tales are the subject of this episode of Backlisted. John and Andy are joined by author and literary editor of The Spectator Sam Leith and writer and radio presenter Jennifer Lucy Allan. Also under discussion are Jay Bernard's poetry collection Surge and On Chapel Sands, the new memoir by art critic Laura Cumming.

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Miss Buncle's Book by D.E. Stevenson

Mon, 08 Jul 2019 06:00:20 GMT

Miss Buncle's Book by D.E. Stevenson, a bestseller when first published in the 1930s, is the novel under discussion. Joining John and Andy is novelist and teacher of creative writing Shelley Harris. Also featured in this episode, Marc Hamer's memoir How To Catch a Mole and Sam Riviere's debut poetry collection 81 Austerities.

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The Baron in the Trees by Italo Calvino

Mon, 24 Jun 2019 06:00:19 GMT

Italo Calvino's third novel The Baron in the Trees (Il barone rampante) is the subject of this episode. Joining John and Andy to discuss the book is writer and fabulist Caspar Henderson. Elsewhere, John is captivated by Some Kids I Taught and What They Taught Me by Kate Clanchy and Andy talks about and reads from W.H. Auden's late collection of poetry About the House.

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The Prince of West End Avenue by Alan Isler

Mon, 10 Jun 2019 06:00:15 GMT

Alan Isler's debut novel The Prince of West End Avenue (1994) is the subject of this episode of Backlisted. Joining Andy and John to discuss it are novelist William Sutcliffe and playwright and bibliomemoirist Samantha Ellis. Other books talked about in this episode: Fireflies by Luis Sagasti and Love & Trouble: A Mid-Life Reckoning by Claire Dederer.

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Beloved by Toni Morrison

Mon, 27 May 2019 06:00:17 GMT

Award-winning novelist Preti Taneja (We That Are Young) joins John and Andy to discuss Beloved by Toni Morrison, one of the greatest American novels of the last half century. Other books featured on this episode are It's Gone Dark Over Bill's Mother's by Lisa Blower and The House on Vesper Sands by Paraic O'Donnell.

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The Book of Ebenezer Le Page by G.B. Edwards

Mon, 13 May 2019 06:00:39 GMT

John and Andy are joined by writer and actor Will Smith for a special episode recorded live at the Guernsey Literary Festival on Sunday May 5th 2019. The novel under discussion is G.B. Edwards's unique The Book of Ebenezer Le Page, set on Guernsey, published posthumously in 1981 and of which William Golding wrote: 'To read it is not like reading, but living.'

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A Journal of the Plague Year by Daniel Defoe

Mon, 29 Apr 2019 06:00:39 GMT

Daniel Defoe's A Journal of the Plague Year (1722) is the subject of this episode of Backlisted, recorded in the week of the 300th anniversary of the publication of Robinson Crusoe. Joining John and Andy to discuss the book - and Defoe's extraordinary life and careers - are novelist James Hannah and Dr Jo Waugh, senior lecturer at York St John University and an expert on literature and disease. Plus Andy talks about Jane Gardam's Defoe-inspired novel Crusoe's Daughter and John has been reading Small Days and Nights by Tishani Doshi.

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Great Expectations by Charles Dickens

Mon, 15 Apr 2019 06:00:14 GMT

Charles Dickens's late masterpiece Great Expectations is the subject of this episode of Backlisted. Joining John and Andy to discuss the book (and its celebrated author) are journalist and editor William Atkins and returning guest, novelist Lissa Evans. Also in this episode, Andy has been reading Spring by Ali Smith while John has been enjoying Max Porter's new novel Lanny.

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Last Train to Memphis/Careless Love by Peter Guralnick

Mon, 01 Apr 2019 06:00:22 GMT

Elvis Presley is the subject of this episode of Backlisted, care of Peter Guralnick's twin biographies Last Train to Memphis (1994) and Careless Love (1999). Joining John and Andy to discuss these remarkable books are novelists David Keenan and Bethan Roberts. In addition, John talks about Nancy Sandars's poetry collections Grandmother's Steps; while Andy learns to stop worrying and enjoy Anthony Trollope and his classic novel The Way We Live Now.

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Human Voices by Penelope Fitzgerald

Mon, 18 Mar 2019 07:00:38 GMT

Penelope Fitzgerald's fourth novel Human Voices (1980) is set at the BBC during the early months of the Second World War. Joining John and Andy to discuss the book, and Penelope Fitzgerald's life and work, are publisher and editor George Morley and writer and critic Lucy Scholes. Other books under discussion include Ghost Wall by Sarah Moss and The Good Immigrant USA edited by Nikesh Shukla and Chimene Suleyman.

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Utz by Bruce Chatwin

Mon, 04 Mar 2019 07:00:23 GMT

This episode is about Utz, Bruce Chatwin's final novel, shortlisted for the Booker Prize in 1988. John and Andy are joined by writer and journalist Jonathan Wilson and Unbound's editor-at-large Rachael Kerr, who worked for Chatwin's publisher Jonathan Cape and knew him well. Other books discussed include Valerie Luiselli's Tell Me How It Ends and Elizabeth Smart's By Grand Central Station I Sat Down and Wept.

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The Return of the Soldier by Rebecca West

Mon, 18 Feb 2019 07:00:05 GMT

On this episode John and Andy are joined by novelist and critic Amanda Craig and novelist and memoirist Alice Jolly to discuss Rebecca West's debut novel The Return of the Soldier, published in 1918 when West was still in her mid-twenties. In addition John talks about Julia Blackburn's new book Time Song, while Andy shares his thoughts on Strip Jack Naked, Alexander Baron's little-read and extremely rare sequel to The Lowlife, itself the subject of an episode of Backlisted from 2018.

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Hemlock and After by Angus Wilson

Mon, 04 Feb 2019 08:10:09 GMT

John and Andy are joined by writer, dandy and erstwhile musician Dickon Edwards to discuss Hemlock and After, Angus Wilson's debut novel, originally published in 1952. Wilson was considered one of the preeminent writers of his days but both his books and reputation have fallen into neglect - we consider why this happened and also what his work offers the contemporary reader. Also discussed in this episode are Suite for Barbara Loden by Nathalie Léger and Jane Austen's Northanger Abbey ("her early funny one").

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Imogen by Jilly Cooper

Mon, 21 Jan 2019 07:00:16 GMT

John and Andy are joined by author and podcaster Daisy Buchanan and poet and lecturer Dr Ian Patterson to discuss Imogen, Jilly Cooper's 1978 novel of a young librarian finding romance - and all that goes with it - amongst the jet set in the south of France. Also discussed in this episode are the late children's illustrator John Burningham and J.L. Carr's idiosyncratic football yarn How Steeple Sinderby Wanderers Won The F.A. Cup.

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The Rainbow by D.H. Lawrence

Mon, 07 Jan 2019 07:00:15 GMT

In our first podcast of 2019 we tackle D.H. Lawrence's The Rainbow, a novel that has divided opinion since it was first published (and banned) in 1915 - and sure enough opinion was divided between John and Andy on this one. To discuss the book they are joined by writer and critic Catherine Taylor and Unbound editor-at-large Rachael Kerr. Also on this episode Backlisted listeners' favourite 'old' books of 2018.

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Books Do Furnish a Room by Anthony Powell

Tue, 25 Dec 2018 07:00:05 GMT

John and Andy are joined by novelist Philip Hensher and biographer Hilary Spurling for a discussion of Books Do Furnish a Room by Anthony Powell, first published in 1971, the tenth instalment of A Dance to the Music of Time. This special Christmas episode was recorded live at the LRB Bookshop in London on December 6th 2018.

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Harpo Speaks! by Harpo Marx with Rowland Barber

Mon, 10 Dec 2018 07:00:17 GMT

John and Andy are joined by Dan Schreiber, writer, producer and co-host of the No Such Thing As A Fish podcast, to discuss Harpo Marx's autobiography Harpo Speaks! (1961). Also discussed are titles by Neil Tennant, Alice Jolly, Penelope Fitzgerald and Max Wall, amongst others.

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The Tortoise and the Hare by Elizabeth Jenkins

Mon, 26 Nov 2018 07:00:14 GMT

Andy and John are joined by Carmen Callil, publisher, writer and critic and founder of Virago Press, to discuss The Tortoise and the Hare by Elizabeth Jenkins, a novel first published in 1954 and then republished by Carmen in the 1980s as a Virago Modern Classic. Producer Nicky Birch also talks about her work on a new interactive adaptation of B.S. Johnson's novel The Unfortunates for BBC and Amazon Alexa.

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Moominvalley in November by Tove Jansson

Mon, 12 Nov 2018 07:00:18 GMT

This week John and Andy are joined by award-winning children's author and screenwriter Frank Cottrell-Boyce and publisher and co-founder of Sort Of Books Natania Jansz to discuss Tove Jansson's final Moomin book, Moominvalley in November. Other books under discussion are Zora Neale Hurston's Barracoon and Time Regained, the final volume of Marcel Proust's In Search of Lost Time. Plus a visit to Somerset House in London, for a new exhibition of the work of Peanuts creator, cartoonist Charles M. Schulz.

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Ghosts by Edith Wharton

Mon, 29 Oct 2018 07:00:53 GMT

It's Halloween and John and Andy are joined by novelist Lissa Evans and Backlisted's resident revenant, critic Andrew Male, to discuss Ghosts, Edith Wharton's selection of her best supernatural tales, first published in 1937. John also talks about Alan Garner's new memoir Where Shall We Run To? while Andy has been reading Daphne du Maurier's prophetic final novel Rule Britannia.

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Autumn Journal by Louis MacNeice

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:00:19 GMT

This week John and Andy are joined by actor and director Sam West and writer and academic Sophie Ratcliffe to talk about Louis MacNeice's Autumn Journal. The poem was composed in the autumn of 1938 while Britain awaited the declaration of the Second World War. Other books under discussion are Katharine Kilalea's OK, Mr Field and Francis Plug: Writer in Residence by Paul Ewen.

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The Dud Avocado by Elaine Dundy

Mon, 01 Oct 2018 06:00:19 GMT

This week John and Andy are joined by novelist and literary journalist Sarra Manning (author of The Rise and Fall of Becky Sharp) to discuss Elaine Dundy's sparkling debut The Dud Avocado and its follow-up The Old Man and Me. Other books under discussion are Anna Burns's Man Booker-shortlisted Milkman and Daniel Deronda by George Eliot, published 150 years ago and still startlingly relevant.

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Ulverton by Adam Thorpe

Mon, 17 Sep 2018 06:00:06 GMT

For a special episode recorded at the End of the Road festival in Dorset, John and Andy are joined by author and critic Tom Cox to talk about Adam Thorpe's 1992 debut novel Ulverton. Other books discussed include Sally Rooney's new novel Normal People and Mott the Hoople singer Ian Hunter's recently reissued Diary of a Rock'n'Roll Star. Further details can be found via our website at backlisted.fm.

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A Girl in Winter by Philip Larkin

Mon, 03 Sep 2018 06:00:06 GMT

For the final episode recorded at this year's Port Eliot festival in Cornwall, John and Andy are joined by authors Nina Stibbe and returning guest Simon Garfield to discuss Philip Larkin's second and final novel A Girl In Winter, and Larkin's place in the national psyche. Warning: this episode contains poetry readings, dentistry and a hip-hop remix of This Be The Verse.

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The Lion and the Unicorn by George Orwell

Mon, 20 Aug 2018 05:51:32 GMT

For the second of three episodes recorded at the Port Eliot festival in Cornwall, John and Andy are joined by songwriter and activist Billy Bragg and journalist and critic Suzi Feay to talk about George Orwell's The Lion and the Unicorn: Socialism and the English Genius. This special episode features audience participation on a scale never before heard on Backlisted - make sure you keep listening until the very end of the Q&A session...

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How to Talk About Books You Haven't Read by Pierre Bayard

Mon, 06 Aug 2018 06:00:24 GMT

For the first of three episodes recorded at this year's Port Eliot festival in Cornwall, John and Andy are joined by author Cathy Rentzenbrink and actor and writer Ben Moor to talk about Pierre Bayard's How To Talk About Books You Haven't Read. Three members of the panel have read the book and one hasn't - join the audience in trying to work out who is dissembling (and whether it matters).

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The Return of the King by J. R. R. Tolkien

Mon, 23 Jul 2018 00:00:04 GMT

John and Andy are joined by Unbound co-founder and co-author of Crap Towns Dan Kieran and returning guest Dr Una McCormack, NYT bestselling novelist and co-director of the Anglia Ruskin University Centre for Science Fiction and Fantasy, to discuss J.R.R. Tolkien's The Return of the King, the third part of The Lord of the Rings. Andy also talks about Russell Hoban's classic Riddley Walker, while John has been reading Crudo, the acclaimed new novel by Olivia Laing.

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Drinking Coffee Elsewhere by ZZ Packer

Mon, 09 Jul 2018 05:56:19 GMT

John and Andy are joined by writer and editor Nikesh Shukla to discuss Drinking Coffee Elsewhere, ZZ Packer's groundbreaking collection of stories, first published in 2003. Andy also talks about Lissa Evans's new novel Old Baggage, while John has been reading Problems by Jade Sharma.

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Told by an Idiot by Rose Macaulay

Mon, 25 Jun 2018 05:55:06 GMT

This week John and Andy are joined by super-librarian Nancy Pearl, possibly the only librarian in the world to have their own action figure, to discuss Rose Macaulay's gloriously eccentric family saga Told by an Idiot. John has been reading Sally Bayley's acclaimed bibliomemoir Girl With Dove, while Andy waxes lyrical over Andrew Sean Greer's Pulitzer-winning novel Less (and has a surprise in store...) This episode was recorded in the library at the recent Stoke Newington literary festival.

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The Bloody Chamber by Angela Carter

Sun, 10 Jun 2018 21:04:03 GMT

For a special episode recorded at the Bath Festival, we discuss Angela Carter's astonishing collection The Bloody Chamber (1979), much of which was conceived while Carter lived in Bath. Andy and John are joined by novelist Rachel Heath, Boundless editor and critic Arifa Akbar, and journalist and artistic director of words and literature at the Bath Festival, Alex Clark. This episode also includes the panel's thoughts on Philip Roth, whose death had been announced that morning.

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My Ántonia by Willa Cather

Mon, 28 May 2018 05:42:46 GMT

Hermione Lee joins John and Andy to discuss the work of American novelist Willa Cather and, in its centenary year, her pioneering novel My Ántonia. John also talks about Wilding by Isabella Tree and Andy revisits one his favourite books, Graham Greene's The End of the Affair.

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The Fatal Englishman by Sebastian Faulks

Sun, 13 May 2018 23:00:02 GMT

The poet Rishi Dastidar joins John and Andy to talk about Sebastian Faulks' least known and first non-fiction title, The Fatal Englishman: Three Short Lives.Also in this episode Andy talks about the Patrick Melrose novels by Edward St Aubyn while John has been enjoying Folk by Zoe Gilbert. For full show notes, links, further reading and tasteful merchandise visit www.backlisted.fm

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Corregidora by Gayl Jones

Mon, 30 Apr 2018 05:43:03 GMT

Professor Sarah Churchwell introduces Andy and John to the phenomenal Corregidora by Gayl Jones, a book steeped in the blues and the American slavery legacy. Other books they've read are Rain on the Pavements by Roland Camberton and In Pursuit of Spring by Edward Thomas.

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The Lowlife by Alexander Baron

Sun, 15 Apr 2018 22:42:15 GMT

John and Andy are at the dogs this week, discussing the 1963 cult novel The Lowlife by Alexander Baron. They are joined by London enthusiast Peter Watts(the first person to write a biography of Battersea Power Station) and Gary Budden, author and director of ground-breaking indie Influx Press.

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Something Happened by Joseph Heller

Mon, 02 Apr 2018 06:00:55 GMT

Authors Matt Thorne and Nikita Lalwani join John and Andy to discuss the ‘other’ masterpiece by Joseph Heller, Something Happened, first published in 1974. Also in this episode John talks about Brother, a new novel by David Chariandy, while Andy has been reading Ursula Bentley's 1983 debut The Natural Order.

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The Town House by Norah Lofts

Mon, 19 Mar 2018 06:57:38 GMT

This week John and Andy are joined by journalist and author Lucy Mangan, whose new memoir of childhood reading Bookworm has just been published by Square Peg. They discuss Norah Lofts' novel The Town House (1959), the first of her 'Suffolk house' trilogy. Andy also talks about Words Best Sung by Lee Stuart Evans, and John has been reading Emmanuel Carrère's The Kingdom.

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Berg by Ann Quin

Fri, 02 Mar 2018 18:05:39 GMT

This week Andy and John are joined by Jennifer Hodgson, editor of 'The Unmapped Country', a collection of British experimental writer Ann Quin's lost work. They discuss Quin's debut novel, Berg, with its opening sentence: 'A man called Berg, who changed his name to Greb, came to a seaside town intending to kill his father. . . '. John also talks about Yorkshire: A Lyrical History of England's Greatest County by Richard Morris, and Andy has been reading Andrew Hankinson's You Could Do Something Amazing With Your Life [You Are Raoul Moat].

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Jesus' Son by Denis Johnson

Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:51:29 GMT

John and Andy welcome authors Chris Power and Erica Wagner to discuss the multiple interlocking stories in Jesus' Son by Denis Johnson, including the phantasmagoric 'Car Crash While Hitchhiking'. In addition Andy has been reading Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell by Susanna Clarke and John takes a look at Fen by Daisy Johnson.

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Beyond Black by Hilary Mantel

Sun, 28 Jan 2018 17:08:24 GMT

Critic and editor of Boundless Arifa Akbar joins John and Andy to discuss Hilary Mantel's tale of mediums and malevolence in the M25 corridor, Beyond Black. Tony White's 'The Fountain in the Forest' and 'Mothers' by Chris Power are the books we've been reading this week.

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Lost Horizon by James Hilton

Mon, 22 Jan 2018 10:20:45 GMT

Music producer, gallery owner and now novelist Tot Taylor joins John and Andy to discuss James Hilton's 1933 novel about an earthly paradise in the far Himalayas. And the various iterations of the story that came after.

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À Rebours by J.-K. Huysmans

Mon, 08 Jan 2018 10:50:05 GMT

In a special edition of the show recorded at Shakespeare & Co. in Paris, John and Andy are joined by the bookstore's owner Sylvia Whitman and author Adam Biles to discuss Huysmans' novel of aesthetic isolation A Rebours.

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On Her Majesty's Secret Service by Ian Fleming

Mon, 25 Dec 2017 07:19:49 GMT

In a special Christmas edition (which of course can be listened to at any time of year) John & Andy welcome Jude and James Cook to discuss Ian Fleming's most festive Bond novel, On Her Majesty's Secret Service. There's discussion of the films, the music, and the sometimes questionable attitude to women, the French and drinking. Also talked about in the 'What We've Been Reading' slot; Kindred by Octavia Butler and Alys Fowler's Hidden Nature.

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Fire & Hemlock by Diana Wynne Jones

Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:28:01 GMT

Author and illustrator Alice Stevenson and her childhood friend, playwright Elinor Cook join John and Andy to talk about Diana Wynne Jones's novel of memory, childhood and friendship.

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Alma Cogan by Gordon Burn

Mon, 27 Nov 2017 07:01:03 GMT

In a special edition recorded earlier this year live at the Durham Book Festival, John and Andy are joined by writers Adele Stripe and Ben Myers to discuss Gordon Burn's debut novel Alma Cogan. The 'WHWBR?' slots are occupied by Pevsner's guide to Durham and The Buried Giant by Kazuo Ishiguro

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To Serve Them All My Days by R.F. Delderfield

Fri, 10 Nov 2017 07:07:37 GMT

Writer and author Jenny Colgan joins John and Andy to discuss R.F. Delderfield's epic of life in an English boarding school between the wars. Craig Brown's 'Ma'am Darling' and 'Priestdaddy' by Patricia Lockwood are the books we've been reading this week.

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We Have Always Lived in the Castle by Shirley Jackson

Mon, 30 Oct 2017 07:39:26 GMT

For our annual Halloween episode John Mitchinson and Andy Miller are joined by Fiona Wilson and Andrew Male to discuss Shirley jackson's final novel 'We Have Always Lived in the Castle'. In this show's 'What We Have Been Reading' slot John discusses 'True Ghost Stories of Our Own Time' by Vivienne Rae-Ellis, while Andy puts forward 'Going on the Turn', the third memoir from Danny Baker.

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Jacob's Room by Virginia Woolf

Mon, 16 Oct 2017 06:01:47 GMT

In a special live edition of Backlisted, recorded in front of an audience at Blackwell's Bookshop in Oxford, John and Andy are joined by Mark Haddon, author of 'The Curious Incident Of The Dog In The Night-Time' and Sally Bayley, author and tutor in English at Balliol and St. Hugh's Colleges, Oxford. The panel discuss Jacob's Room, the third novel from Virginia Woolf.

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Adventures in the Screen Trade by William Goldman

Mon, 02 Oct 2017 06:08:35 GMT

Simon Garfield, author of The Wrestling, The Nation's Favourite and A Notable Woman, amongst others joins John and Andy to discuss William Goldman's groundbreaking account of his life as a Hollywood screenwriter.

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Look At Me by Anita Brookner

Sun, 17 Sep 2017 16:34:27 GMT

In a long awaited episode John Mitchinson and Andy Miller are joined by Una McCormack and Lucy Scholes to discuss Anita Brookner's third novel 'Look At Me', a tale of intergalactic piracy in a far off star syste... No, not really. 'The Cake And The Rain', Jimmy Webb's memoir of life in the 60's music industry, and 'We That Are Young' a reworking of King Lear set in India by Preti Taneja, are the books John & Andy have been reading. If you want to come and see us record an edition of the show, we're going to be at Blackwell's Oxford on the 2nd of October, and at the Durham Book Festival on October 15th. Come and join us. Oxford details here: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/backlisted-podcast-live-mark-haddon-on-virginia-woolfs-jacobs-room-tickets-37422244942Durham Book Festival details here;http://durhambookfestival.com/programme/event/backlisted-podcast-special-alma-cogan-by-gordon-burn/

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Under the Volcano by Malcolm Lowry

Mon, 04 Sep 2017 06:42:08 GMT

John and Andy are joined by poet, radio presenter, playwright and genuine Tyke Ian McMillan to discuss Malcolm Lowry's unique work Under the Volcano. Also; The Factory of Light by Michael Jacobs, and more Rosemary Tonks. Do you have a problem with that?

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Some Bits To Listen To While We Go On Our Holidays

Mon, 21 Aug 2017 07:19:42 GMT

Even your favourite podcasts need to take a holiday... but hopefully this collection of off cuts, tall tales, terrible name dropping and the occasional bit of literary chat will help tide you over until we return at the beginning of September

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Desperate Characters by Paula Fox

Mon, 07 Aug 2017 07:32:06 GMT

Author William Fiennes joins Andy and John for a bumper edition to talk about 'Desperate Characters', Paula Fox's New York set novel of relationships and feral cats. Also; William's First Story charity, Adam Scovell's Folk Horror and Sarah Hall's story collection Madame Zero, plus more on the mysterious Rosemary Tonks.

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Gentlemen Prefer Blondes by Anita Loos

Mon, 24 Jul 2017 06:06:08 GMT

In this edition of the podcast that gives new life to old books novelist Joanna Walsh and critic and academic Sarah Churchwell join John & Andy to talk about Anita Loos' Jazz Age novel. Also discussed: The Fact of a Body by Alexandria Marzano-Lesnevich, and Bedouin of the London Evening, an anthology of poems by Rosemary Tonks.

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Haunts of the Black Masseur by Charles Sprawson

Sun, 09 Jul 2017 19:39:46 GMT

Author and critic Alex Preston and Rachael Kerr, Unbound's Editor at large, join John and Andy around the table to discuss Charles Sprawson's ground breaking 'Haunts Of The Black Masseur', together with all things aquatic. The subtitle of the book is 'The Swimmer As Hero' and Sprawson's book tells the tale of literary swimmers from Byron to Cheever. Also discussed; Outskirts by John Grindrod and Bleaker House by Nell Stevens.

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Father and Son by Edmund Gosse

Sat, 24 Jun 2017 11:30:03 GMT

Sarah Perry, bestselling author of The Essex Serpent, joins John and Andy to discuss Edmund Gosse's account of growing up the son of a widowed Victorian fundementalist preacher. The trio also talk about Attrib. and Other Stories by Eley Williams, and Spanish Crossings, the second novel by John Simmons.

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I'll Sleep When I'm Dead by Crystal Zevon

Mon, 12 Jun 2017 06:15:28 GMT

Author and editor Richard T. Kelly joins John and Andy in the studio to discuss 'I'll Sleep When I'm Dead' The Dirty Life And Times of Warren Zevon' by Crystal Zevon. They also discuss the art of the oral history, and run through some of their favourites, including Simon Garfield's The Wrestling and Edie - An Americna Biography by Jean Stein.

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Tell Me How Long the Train's Been Gone by James Baldwin

Mon, 29 May 2017 08:39:03 GMT

Novelist Niven Govinden joins John and Andy to discuss James Baldwin's 1968 novel 'Tell Me How Long The Train's Been Gone'. Also discussed: 'The World My Wilderness' by Rose Macaulay, and 'The Gallows Pole' by Ben Myers. Oh, and Lissa Evans' scene stealing turn in 'The Finest', the film adaptation of her WWII set novel.

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The Gift - Vladimir Nabokov

Mon, 15 May 2017 05:55:59 GMT

Writer and critic Catherine Taylor joins John and Andy to discuss Vladimir Nabokov's parting love letter to Russia and it's literature, The Gift. Also; singing with nightingales and reading Richard Mabey's book about the same bird, David Storey's Booker Prize winning 'Saville', and Bob Dylan's song and dance routine.

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Honeymoon by Patrick Modiano

Mon, 01 May 2017 06:46:40 GMT

Novelist Rupert Thomson joins John & Andy to talk about the work of French author Patrick Modiano, who's work explores the effect of the German occupation of his homeland during the Second World War. There's also a special edition of 'What I've Read This Week', where John talks about 'Identity of England' by Robert Colls, while Andy sets a bit of a puzzle...

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The Weather in the Streets by Rosamond Lehmann

Mon, 17 Apr 2017 07:19:44 GMT

Novelist and writer Elizabeth Day joins John & Andy to discuss Rosamond Lehmann's 1936 novel of a young woman's affair with a married man. Also featured: Magnus Mills record store day novel 'The Forensic Record Society' and Clover Stroud's memoir 'The Wild Other'.

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Patrick Hamilton Extra Episode

Mon, 03 Apr 2017 06:41:07 GMT

Following on from the Slaves Of Solitude episode, here is an extra half hour of conversation about Patrick Hamilton. Please listen the the main episode before this one.

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The Slaves of Solitude by Patrick Hamilton

Mon, 03 Apr 2017 06:38:57 GMT

Novelists Lissa Evans and Stuart Evers join Andy & John to discuss Patrick Hamilton's 1947 tale of boarding-house life in wartime. Also, this week Andy has been reading Keith Waterhouse, while John talks about Padgett Powell's 'The Interrogative Mood'. If you like this episode, the 'Hamilton Extra' edition continues the discussion, with even more gin & it...

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Lincoln in the Bardo minicast

Mon, 27 Mar 2017 05:51:35 GMT

A little something extra for you, the lovely Backlisted listeners, and a departure from our usual subject matter - a new(ish) book! After recording the upcoming show on Patrick Hamilton's 'Slaves Of Solitude' with guests authors Lissa Evans and Stuart Evers, John & Andy took the opportunity to ask them what they thought of George Saunders' debut novel. Normal service will be resumed next week.

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A Sport and a Pastime by James Salter

Mon, 20 Mar 2017 06:59:57 GMT

Andy & John are joined by literary agent Claire Conville and writer and author Rowan Pelling to discuss James Salter's 1967 novel of lust and imagination. The book, a description of an affair between an American college drop out and a French shop girl, has been acclaimed by critics as 'nearly perfect' and 'extraordinary'.

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The Snow Ball by Brigid Brophy

Mon, 06 Mar 2017 10:18:28 GMT

Novelist, critic & lecturer Jonathan Gibbs (a/k/a @Tiny_Camels) joins John & Andy to discuss The Snow Ball, Brigid Brophy's novel of seduction, aging and Mozart.

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The Horse's Mouth by Joyce Cary

Mon, 20 Feb 2017 07:06:16 GMT

Max Porter, author of 'Grief Is The Thing With Feathers', joins John and Andy to talk about The Horse's Mouth, Joyce Cary's story of the life of the itinerant artist. Also discussed are Dark Money, Jane Mayer's account of the nexus of politics & wealth in the US, and Doreen by Barbara Noble, reissued by Persephone.

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Red Shift by Alan Garner

Mon, 06 Feb 2017 06:56:41 GMT

Critic and author Erica Wagner and novelist S.F. Said join John and Andy to discuss 'Red Shift', the fifth novel by Alan Garner. Also discussed: 'Brave New Weed' by Joe Dolce (no, not that one) and 'Nomad' by Alan Partridge (yes, that one).

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Venetia by Georgette Heyer

Mon, 23 Jan 2017 06:46:08 GMT

This show sees John and Andy joined by Una McCormack and Cathy Rentzenbrink to discuss Venetia, one of the Regency Romance novels by Georgette Heyer. Includes mild language and various Georgian terms for drunkeness.

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Memento Mori by Muriel Spark

Mon, 09 Jan 2017 06:47:33 GMT

John Grindrod, author of Concretopia, joins John Mitchinson and Andy Miller to discuss Memento Mori, the third novel by Muriel Spark. They also pay tribute to the author and agent David Miller, who passed away recently, and read a short story in his memory.

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A State of Denmark by Derek Raymond

Tue, 27 Dec 2016 09:16:00 GMT

In a bid to get our fear and creeping dread about the state of the world in early for 2017, author Travis Elborough (A Walk in The Park, The Bus We Loved, and The Long Player Goodbye) joins us to discuss A State of Denmark, the dystopian vision of England by Derek Raymond (a/k/a Robin Cook). Worst. Happy New Year. Programme. Ever. Enjoy!

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A Long Way from Verona by Jane Gardam

Tue, 13 Dec 2016 06:56:46 GMT

John and Andy are joined by Laura Cumming, the art critic for The Observer and author of 'The Vanishing Man: In Pursuit of Velázquez', and Hilary Murray Hill, CEO at Hachette Children's Books, to talk bout Jane Gardam's debut novel 'A Long Way from Verona'.

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So Long, See You Tomorrow by William Maxwell

Mon, 28 Nov 2016 06:51:13 GMT

Costa First Book nominee for My Name Is Leon, Kit de Waal joins John & Andy to discuss So Long, See You Tomorrow, the final novel by author and New Yorker literary editor William Maxwell.

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Cocaine Nights by J.G. Ballard

Mon, 07 Nov 2016 10:53:46 GMT

Monocle culture editor Robert Bound joins John and Andy to discuss JG Ballard's Spanish set thriller Cocaine Nights. Also, The Ballard-Bond connection, Colson Whitehead's Underground Railroad, and the phrase you never want to hear John Mitchinson say in person...

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Cold Hand in Mine by Robert Aickman

Wed, 26 Oct 2016 12:49:11 GMT

In a special Halloween edition, John Mitchinson and Andy Miller are joined by Andrew Male to discuss Cold Hand In Mine, a book of 'strange stories' by British writer Robert Aickman

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The Holiday by Stevie Smith

Mon, 10 Oct 2016 05:55:02 GMT

Recorded live at the Durham Book Festival 2016, John and Andy are joined by Sally Bayley (author, The Private Life Of The Diary) to discuss Stevie Smith's third and final novel The Holiday.

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The Animal Family by Randall Jarrell

Sat, 24 Sep 2016 19:42:24 GMT

Novelist, editor and critic Erica Wagner joins the Backlisted team to discuss one of her favourite books - The Animal Family by Randall Jarrell. Revolt Into Style, George Melly's groundbreaking discourse on pop culture, and Exmoor Village, a Mass Observation publication from 1947.

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Summer Reading Special - What We Read On Our Holidays

Mon, 12 Sep 2016 06:39:45 GMT

In a special edition of the podcast Andy, John, Mathew and Matt discuss amongst other things which festivals work, why books win prizes, and why changing the name of a certain Swallows And Amazons character is a shame. HP Lovecraft, Greek philosophers and Calvin & Hobbes are also touched upon.

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Absolute Beginners by Colin MacInnes

Mon, 22 Aug 2016 06:46:37 GMT

Slang lexicographer extraordinaire Jonathon Green joins John and Andy in this episode to discuss Absolute Beginners, the classic novel of London teenage life set around Soho and Notting Hill.

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The Crack Up by F. Scott Fitzgerald

Mon, 08 Aug 2016 07:17:11 GMT

In a special edition recorded at Port Eliot Festival, the Backlisted team welcome comedy writer Jesse Armstrong (Peep Show, Fresh Meat, The Thick Of It, Four Lions)to discuss F. Scott Fitzgerald's posthumously published collection of essays 'The Crack-Up'.

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Last Exit to Brooklyn by Hubert Selby Jr

Mon, 25 Jul 2016 05:48:58 GMT

Author and poet Saleena Godden joins John Mitchinson, Andy Miller and Mathew Clayton to discuss Hubert Selby Jr's legendary transgressive novel of dead end life in working class 50's Brooklyn. WARNING: contains obligatory reference the The Fall.

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Maiden Voyage by Denton Welch

Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:17:19 GMT

Richard King, author of 'How Soon Is Now' and 'Original Rockers', visits Backlisted to talk about Maiden Voyage, an extraordinarily vivid memoir by Denton Welch of his early life in England and China.

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Letters from a Fainthearted Feminist by Jill Tweedie

Mon, 27 Jun 2016 06:42:14 GMT

Writer and journalist Alex Clark joins John Mitchinson and Andy Miller in a stormy (and then hammery) podcast to discuss 'Letters from a Fainthearted Feminist', a collection of very funny columns by Jill Tweedie, originally published in The Guardian.

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The Riddle of the Sands by Erskine Childers

Mon, 13 Jun 2016 06:39:55 GMT

Author Lloyd Shepherd joins the Backlisted crew in their small but functional vessel to discuss what some regard as the first ever spy novel 'The Riddle of the Sands' and the extraordinary life of its author Erskine Childers. You can read more about Lloyd's plans to recreate the books journey at The Riddle of the Sands Adventure Club page here: https://unbound.co.uk/books/riddle-of-the-sands

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The Vet's Daughter by Barbara Comyns

Mon, 30 May 2016 07:23:06 GMT

Writer, academic and contributing editor of Bookanista Lucy Scholes joins Andy, John and Mathew on the pod to talk 'The Vet's Daughter', the extraordinary novel of an extraordinary girl in late Victorian South London. Also, how some books just shouldn't be turned into musicals, and the best name for a dog ever.

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Bert Fegg's Nasty Book for Boys & Girls by Terry Jones and Michael Palin

Mon, 16 May 2016 06:04:02 GMT

Jason Hazeley and Joel Morris, the creators of the Grown Up Ladybird series of picture books, join Andy Miller and Mathew Clayton to discuss Bert Fegg's Nasty Book for Boys and Girls by Michael Palin and Terry Jones

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Darkness Falls from the Air by Nigel Balchin

Mon, 02 May 2016 07:10:27 GMT

Journalist, broadcaster and former editrice of The Erotic Review Rowan Pelling joins John, Andy and Mathew on the show to explain her love of Nigel Balchin's novel of the London Blitz, Darkness Falls From The Air.

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All the Devils Are Here by David Seabrook

Sun, 17 Apr 2016 15:58:23 GMT

Rachel Cooke, Observer writer, New Statesman TV critic and author joins John, Andy & Mathew to discuss 'All the Devils Are Here', the astounding travelogue through Kent and the depths of human behaviour from David Seabrook. Plus, the drinking habits of Carry On stars, and what to read in Iceland.

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The High Window by Raymond Chandler

Mon, 04 Apr 2016 06:25:19 GMT

Raymond Chandler's 'The High Window', his third book featuring world weary detective Philip Marlowe, is introduced to Backlisted by Mojo magazine's Andrew Male. Plus the joys of walking in the rain in England, remembering Anita Brookner, and JG Ballard's unintentional mind games...

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The Information by Martin Amis

Mon, 21 Mar 2016 07:11:39 GMT

Kill Your Friends author John Niven joins John, Andy & Mathew in the pod to discuss The information by Martin Amis, on the way answering the question 'if this book were a Britpop album, which Britpop album would it be?' This may or may not become a regular feature. There's also talk on how writers write, and the epoch defining moment when Andy met a punk rock legend.

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Lolly Willowes by Sylvia Townsend Warner

Sun, 06 Mar 2016 21:02:13 GMT

Sylvia Townsend Warner's debut novel 'Lolly Willowes' is the main book under discussion in this episode. It's nominated by journalist, author & playwright Samantha Ellis, and she discusses witchcraft, spinsters and the Chilterns with John, Andy and Mathew. Also touched on: epic poetry on Dartmoor in the rain, and J.B. Priestley's influence on David Bowie.

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The Great Fire by Shirley Hazzard

Mon, 22 Feb 2016 06:50:02 GMT

Author and playwright Alice Jolly joins the Backlisted crew to discuss The Great Fire by Australian author Shirley Hazzard. Also, AA Gill and Spike Milligan have been Read This Week, and why it might be too late to start listening to jazz in your 50's.

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Passing by Nella Larsen

Mon, 08 Feb 2016 08:16:11 GMT

In episode 6 of the Backlisted Podcast we're joined by Sarah Churchwell, professorial fellow in American literature and chair of public understanding of the humanities at the School of Advanced Study, the University of London (phew) to discuss 'Passing' by Nella Larsen. Also, John and Andy discuss the book they've both been reading this week, Breakdown by John Bratby.

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Christie Malry's Own Double-Entry by B.S. Johnson

Mon, 25 Jan 2016 10:00:19 GMT

Emmy award winning writer and broadcaster David Quantick (Veep, The Thick of It, TV Burp) joins John and Andy in the Unbound offices to discuss his favourite novel, Christie Malry's Own Double-Entry by B.S. Johnson. Plus how to pronounce Velasquez, Silbury Hill, the death of the possessive apostrophe in retail, and Mathew Clayton's tenuous link. Join in the conversation on Twitter: twitter.com/BacklistedPodAnd Facebook: www.facebook.com/backlistedpod/

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The Blessing by Nancy Mitford

Mon, 11 Jan 2016 12:23:05 GMT

John, Andy and Mathew Clayton discuss Nancy Mitford's novel 'The Blessing' with Nancy's biographer Laura Thompson. Plus, what it feels like to finish 'Finnegans Wake', 'bloke's books', and the rudest word in the Gloucestershire dialect. Join in the conversation on Twitter: twitter.com/BacklistedPodAnd Facebook: www.facebook.com/backlistedpod/

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It Had To Be You by David Nobbs

Mon, 28 Dec 2015 08:03:25 GMT

Andy Miller and John Mitchinson, a/k/a/ Leavis & Butthead, return with another episode of the podcast which gives new life to old books. In this episode they're joined by Jonathan Coe, author of The Rotter's Club and Oh! What A Carve Up amongst others, to discuss the life and work of David Nobbs, best known as the creator of Reginald Perrin. Join in the conversation on Twitter: twitter.com/BacklistedPodAnd Facebook: www.facebook.com/backlistedpod/

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Good Morning, Midnight by Jean Rhys

Mon, 14 Dec 2015 00:00:00 GMT

John Mitchinson and Andy Miller are joined by author Linda Grant and Unbound's Mathew Clayton to discuss 'Good Morning, Midnight' by 'Wide Sargasso Sea' author Jean Rhys. Plus perfume, the previously unheard of genre of Scandinavian magic realism, and a mistake in the best selling science book of all time. Join in the conversation on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BacklistedPodAnd Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/backlistedpod/

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A Month in the Country by J.L. Carr

Mon, 30 Nov 2015 00:00:00 GMT

in the first episode of a new podcast about books, John Mitchinson and Andy Miller are joined by novelist Lissa Evans and Unbound's Mathew Clayton discuss JL Carr's 'A Month in the Country'. If you've got any comments on the show, be sure to join in the conversation at our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Backlisted-Podcast-1936293209928238/?ref=aymt_homepage_panel

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