Nicole LaRue was born in Berkeley, California. After earning her BFA from Brigham Young University, her own adventures took her across the world from South Korea to Japan, to the Oregon coast and places even farther. She currently lives and works in Salt Lake City, Utah. Both a graphic designer and illustrator, LaRue is widely known for her iconic work on the Women's March on Washington logo. She is the author, designer and illustrator of a number of books including Girl Almighty and Small & Mighty, interactive activist journals for kids. She has, most recently, collaborated with human rights lawyer, Kate Kelly on a book titled Ordinary Equality, a brilliantly graphic story of the women and queer people of the ERA.

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nicholas b jacobsen is a seventh-generation Utah-Mormon, trans-nonbinary settler raised in Nuwu homelands. As a creative historian, culture critic, & visual artist, their work addresses their personal and ancestral connections to the U.S. & Mormon settler-colonial-imperialist project. Through this, they work to disassimilate from the myths of white-supremacy and settler-innocence central to Mormon & U.S. cultures.  jacobsen completed a Master of Fine Arts degree in Art & Ecology at the University of New Mexico & a Bachelor of Fine Arts in ceramics from Southern Utah University. They’ve has won many awards & have been published, podcasted, exhibited, and collected throughout the U.S. You can see more of their work at nicholasbjacobsen.com, unsettlingmormonism.com and @Unsettling_Mormonism on Instagram.

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M. Alice Abrams (Pritchett) is an illustrator and printmaker specializing in linoleum block print located in Vancouver, Washington. Her art work reflects her religious convictions and insights, as well as her insights and feelings about parenthood. Her goal is to create simple yet poignant artwork that makes people feel loved, seen, and welcomed in the gospel of Jesus Christ. Alice recently came out as Bi-sexual and Bi-romantic on her Instagram account, and shares some of her experiences with coming out to her community of friends online. When she isn't busy carving or painting, she is trying to keep up with her lively daughters and dog with her husband.

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Eliza Campbell is a writer and activist living in Queens, New York. She served a Mormon mission in Bulgaria and graduated from BYU, and is enthusiastic about liberation, poetry, and gas station cuisine.

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In this episode, Kate reads their Medium.com article they wrote to begin 2023 about their temple experiences to start the New Year of 2019.

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Kaneesha Wardle recently permed her hair because it was the straightest thing about her. It's also somehow helped her tap into her inner child more, which she's really enjoyed. She may still be trying to figure out what she wants to do with her life professionally, but in her free time, she enjoys cuddles, puzzles, playing games, and coloring.

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Arawn is a transmasc illustrator who focuses on queer joy and representation in their art. Nature is also a source of inspiration and refuge for them. As for the rest, he'll let you know when he figures it out. You can follow him on Instagram @artbyarawn.

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We hope you are having a gentle holiday season. We'll see you next week when we'll be back with another fantastic interview!

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Bree Borrowman has experienced gender incongruence for about fifty years and an experience in November of 2019 caused a “coming out”. This has led to a more active role in the LGBTQIA community with a focus on transgender issues. Through this experience, Bree has come to realize and accept who she really is, the love of our Heavenly Parents and our Savior, and to appreciate and love the diversity of all people. Bree found a lifeline through the love and support of her spouse Kit and the wonderful people in the LGBTQIA community.

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Laura Skaggs is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist who specializes in treating spiritual trauma at the intersection of LGBTQ+ experiences and religion. Laura earned her master’s degree in marriage and family therapy at San Diego State University with an emphasis in LGBTQ+ mental health within conservative religious social contexts. She went on to serve for two years on the board of directors of Affirmation LGBT+ Mormons, Families and Friends with a focus on responding to spiritual trauma and suicide prevention. Laura is also the co-creator of CWEERS Empowerment groups: a practice designed to help LGBTQ+ individuals and their supporters confront social discrimination and internalized stigma. Laura is the mother of two daughters and presently sees clients full time in Provo, UT as part of Flourish Therapy Inc: a non-profit mental health clinic committed to expanding access to affordable, culturally competent, evidence-based behavioral and mental health services for LGBTQIA+ individuals, couples, and families. She also has done some beautiful writing, including this piece.

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Kyle Ashworth is the voice behind Latter Gay Stories. Latter Gay Stories is an LGBTQ podcast and website resource for those in and adjacent to the intersection of LGBTQ Street and LDS Avenue. Kyle has developed resources to bring visibility to the LGBTQ+ community and establish the value of queer experiences and queer people in society. Kyle actively supports many local LGBTQ+ organizations, sits on multiple boards, and has previously served as president of the Affirmation Intermountain Region and in other community and civic positions. He is the father of four children. Kyle and his husband Jay, live in Heber City. You can follow Latter Gay Stories on Instagram and Facebook @LatterGayStories.

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Souksavanh T. Keovorabouth, Diné is a Ph.D. candidate at Oregon State University in Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies with a minor in Queer Studies and concentration in Indigenous Urban Studies and a Ph.D. Candidate at Macquarie University in Indigenous Studies. Their concentrated area of research is on Indigenous urban experience, Two-Spirit wellbeing, Relocation Act of 1950, and Native and Queer urbanization. Souksavanh is originally from Diné (Navajo) Nation but grew up in Phoenix, Arizona, is second generation Laotian, and Queer/Trans/Two-Spirit. You can connect with them on Instagram @souksavanh.t.keovorabouth.

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Souksavanh T. Keovorabouth, Diné is a Ph.D. candidate at Oregon State University in Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies with a minor in Queer Studies and concentration in Indigenous Urban Studies and a Ph.D. Candidate at Macquarie University in Indigenous Studies. Their concentrated area of research is on Indigenous urban experience, Two-Spirit wellbeing, Relocation Act of 1950, and Native and Queer urbanization. Souksavanh is originally from Diné (Navajo) Nation but grew up in Phoenix, Arizona, is second generation Laotian, and Queer/Trans/Two-Spirit. You can connect with them on Instagram @souksavanh.t.keovorabouth.

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• The difficulties they faced being a brown queer teacher in Utah
• Dealing with micro (and macro) aggressions in a school environment
• Being a convert to the LDS church

Lin Flores (she/they) lives and works in SLC, UT as a full-time poet and creative writing student. They are enrolled in the online Creative Writing Masters Program at the University of New Orleans. Lin published her first chapbook, Reflections While Living in Utah, in 2020. This work quickly became a local bestseller, making it the most sold book at Utah’s first LBGTQ bookstore—Under The Umbrella. Lin loves art, music, history, donuts, and God. You can connect with them on Instagram @lincpoetry.

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• The realities of "leadership roulette" on how church discipline is carried out for queer individuals
• Being in a mixed-orientation marriage and then going through a divorce
• Marrying her now wife and figuring out where she now fits in the church

Sadi is a queer woman currently living in Southern California. She was raised LDS and is a wife, mother, substitute teacher, and EMT. She has 3 kids and a really awesome wife. When she’s not spending time with family or working she likes being outdoors, playing sports, or scrolling TikTok. Her love languages are taking naps and tacos. She believes that diversity is God’s gift to us to become more Christlike and hopes that sharing her story will inspire others to share their stories too. You can connect with her on Facebook or Instagram.

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• Realizing she was asexual earlier this year, after already being married and having kids
• The tendency some people have to pathologize or infantilize those that asexual
• What compulsory sexuality is and how people are impacted by it

ruth González-Muhlestein is an Orem-born, first generation Mexican-American. She’s passionate about antibias/anti-racism and enjoys reading, writing, making music and collages. She is a parent and partner, and works as a social media content creator for RISE Virtual Academy and Utah Educational Equity Coalition. You can connect with her on Instagram @asexualfeelings.

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• How disability advocacy, queer advocacy, and all types of advocacy for the marginalized interconnect
• How the RaYnbow Collective came to be and the things they've accomplished
• The pushback the RaYnbow Collective received and how they dealt with it

Maddison Tenney is a Queer Latter-Day Saint, artist and activist. She is the executive director of the RaYnbow Collective, an off-campus non-profit for LGBTQ+ students at BYU. She is also a staff member at Equality Utah. Maddi grew up in Oregon and Utah and is currently finishing her degree in English Literature with minors in Art and Global Women's Studies. You can connect with her on Instagram @maddi_10e.

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We're still on break, but we wanted to bring you this special bonus episode where we talk with Bradley Talbot about the Hulu series Mormon No More, which includes his story. Some topics we cover include:

• Bradley's involvement with Color the Campus and lighting of the Rainbow Y
• Our reactions to Mormon No More (no spoilers, so if you haven't seen it, maybe catch a synopsis)
• Discussions of the law of chastity and abuse in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Bradley is the Founder of Color the Campus, earned his Bachelors in Psychology and Family Life at BYU and is about to start his MSW at Boston College. You can connect with him on Instagram @the_bradpad.

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• The need to rest and what that actually may look like
• How rest and community care are tied to one another, and how self-care can fall short of our needs as communities
• Leaning on the work done by disability advocates and BIPOC communities who rely on and share insights into how communities of care work

Though we are taking a break, we will be back! Follow along on our social media channels (Instagram and/or Facebook) to stay up-to-date!

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• The idea of putting yourself under "self-conversion therapy"
• How coming to terms with being nonbinary and becoming a single parent helped change their view of gender roles and parenting
• And they share some of their beautiful poetry

Sam was born and raised Mormon in Utah. Following the typical religious prescribed path and gender roles, they married young and had kids. Religious trauma separated their family from the Mormon church a short time before Sam decided stop living in shame of “same sex attraction," love themselves as they were, go through a divorce, and with lots of therapy, learn to come to a place of acceptance and understanding surrounding their gender identity. Sam is a non-binary parent, writer and student (still) living in Utah with their three amazing kids. They are currently going to SUU and preparing to move to Cedar City to continue their education. They believe in conscious parenting without shame, and that healing is a choice of action.

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• The incongruence they felt from the Mormon distinction between provider and protector and nurturer
• What it means to be multiply marginalized and how that shows up in their life
• What it's like being in a married queer relationship in Utah and being polyamorous

Andrés Larios Brown (they/he/elle) is a Queer & Non-Binary mescla bella (beautiful mix) of a father who immigrated from Guatemala and a mother who is of Western European descent. First and foremost, they are a healer, as well as a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist. They and their husband currently live in Utah, where Andrés is the associate Clinical Director & Director of Cultural engagement at Encircle Therapy (a nonprofit that works with LGBTQ+ youth and families from religiously conservative cultures). They study queer identity development among collectivist and community-focused cultures, and also specialize in healing acute, systemic, and intergenerational trauma- specifically for QTBIPOC people. With experience working in a wide range of settings (nonprofits, college counseling centers, community centers, and training clinics), Andrés also focuses a large part of their work on teaching, training, education, and advocacy. They believe that we are truly whole when in connection and community, and seek to bridge the gap between research and clinical practice. 

“We are truly expansive in being authentically and fully who we are — worthy of celebration, joy, and love. I am honored to be joining you on this journey of healing and growth.” –Andrés

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• Some basic history of Pride
• Why Mormons might be turned off from the word "pride"
• Why Pride is important to them and some Pride memories they have

The Guardian article Kate references in the podcast can be found here.

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• Knowing their identities really young but not necessarily having words to describe them
• Coming to terms with gender and the gender of your partner
• Raising kids with queer parents and creating their family

Rachel earned her master's degree in English in 2012. She grew up LDS, but came out as lesbian and left the church in 2016. Rachel is a novelist and an English instructor at Weber State University. She is also a program coordinator in faculty development. She's lived in Utah since 2006. She is the author of the dystopian novel A Light from the Ashes and is currently writing a biographical novel about queer actress Maude Adams. El graduated from BYU with a Bachelor's degree in history, walking across the stage with one child in arms and one on the way. Three kids in and seven years later, their life was entirely turned upside down, prompting deep soul-searching and the realization that not only are they in fact attracted to women, but they are genderfluid. El is a Reiki Master and licensed massage therapist with a passion for healing and promoting wellness. Rachel and El were married this month and are happy to blend their family.

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• The complicated nature of being multiracial, especially in a colonized world
• Being at BYU while realizing they were queer
• Going through a faith transition and how they decided to what to keep and what to leave

Chloe Agyin (they/them) is a proud multiracial queer person living in Salt Lake City, Utah. In order to better pursue their passion for social justice and systematic change, Chloe received their Masters Degree in Social Work. Since coming out as queer they have engaged in social activism by working closely with the local LGBTQ+ community. They currently work as a therapist at Celebrate Therapy in Provo, Utah with the hopes of continuing to find new ways to disrupt the status quo.

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• Falling for friends and the importance of boundaries while healing
• Queer baiting in media and how the church queer baits, as well
• Shaking off wrong messages you've been given about yourself and learning to own your story

Chelsea Gibbs is a writer and film historian based in New York. Her work on queerness in media and queerness in Mormonism has been published across various books and journals, and while she is no longer active in the church, she still enjoys facilitating dialogue about queerness within Mormon spaces. As a board member of Affirmation, she has had the opportunity to be a cultural translator between LDS and LGBTQIA communities around the world. As an educator, film archivist and someone who has run film programs for several organizations, she has loved the opportunity to share the ways storytelling can help people find their own voices and also help them become more empathetic to others. Send her a message any time to talk about your favorite queer TV and films, or to fangirl about Chieko Okazaki!

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• What asexuality is and how it may be experienced for individuals
• Ace erasure
• Emilia's idea of "collectivist heaven"

Emilia Bingham (she/her) is currently a Master of Social Work student at Boston College where she is working hard towards her goal of becoming a trauma focused therapist. When not studying, she enjoys rock climbing, being outdoors, and spending time with the people she loves. Emilia is happily married to her forever adventure buddy and is the proud parent of at least 30 plants. You can connect with her on Instagram.

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• The importance of queer joy, why we talk about that so much, and ways to look for queer joy in your own life
• The discrepancies and leadership roulette queer individuals may experience in the church
• Our thoughts about why AFAB people may come out later in life

Affirmation's mission: Affirmation creates worldwide communities of safety, love, and hope and promotes understanding, acceptance, and self-determination of individuals of diverse sexual orientations, gender identities and expressions. We affirm the inherent self-worth of LGBTQIA+ individuals as complete, equal, and valuable persons and support them as they define their individual spirituality and intersection with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

You can view this and other sessions from the Affirmation Connections Virtual Summit at the website for the event.

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• Deciding to do her dissertation on identifying best practices to help queer Mormon youth and young adults and their families
• How the LDS church is very pro-family structure, but maybe not entirely pro-family
• Bierasure, and how she's still in a queer relationship, even though it's straight-passing

Samantha Simpson is a bisexual marriage and family therapist at Flourish Therapy, a non-profit organization that provides subsidized therapy for LGBTQ+ individuals, couples, and families. During her master's program at BYU, she started doing family therapy with LGBTQ+ youth and young adults in Latter-day Saint families. Quickly realizing that such sessions required multi-faceted cultural responsiveness, expert knowledge, and the therapy skills of an emotional surgeon, she looked for research and resources -- only to find that there are little to none. That's what set her on the path of getting a PhD. She is in the final stretch of completing her PhD at Virginia Tech, where she is currently collecting data for her dissertation called, "When Identities Collide: Best Practices for Family Therapy with LGBTQ+ Youth and Young Adults in Mormon Families. Sami, her partner Michael, and her dog Albie recently relocated from Virginia to Utah and love reconnecting with Utah's Queer communities. You can connect with her on Instagram @SamiSimpson.LAMFT or on Facebook @SamiSimpsonMFT.

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Some topics we cover in this episode include:

• Definitions and discussions of gender essentialism
• Dr. Petrey's book Tabernacles of Clay
• Queer theory as it applies to Latter-day Saint history of sexuality and gender

Taylor G. Petrey is Associate Professor of Religion at Kalamazoo College and editor of Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought. Petrey received his ThD and MTS from Harvard Divinity School. He is currently chair of Religion at Kalamazoo College. His books include Tabernacles of Clay: Gender and Sexuality in Modern Mormonism and co-editor with Amy Hoyt of The Routledge Handbook of Mormonism and Gender. He has been a Visiting Associate Professor of Women's Studies and Sexuality at Harvard Divinity School and Research Associate in the Women's Studies in Religion Program in 2016-17. He was also the Lucinda Hinsdale Stone Associate Professor of Religion at Kalamazoo College and Director of the Women, Gender, and Sexuality program. Follow him on Twitter @TaylorPetrey or on Facebook @Taylor.Petrey.

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• How she started studying sexual fluidity and some of what she found while doing that research
• The importance of parents creating safety for their queer children, even if they struggle to accept their child's sexual or gender identity
• A metaphor she uses when people try to use her research about sexual fluidity in ways to promote harmful ideologies and practices

Lisa M. Diamond is Professor of Psychology and Gender Studies at the University of Utah. For over 25 years, she has studied the development and expression of gender and sexuality across the life course. Her current work focuses on the biobehavioral mechanisms through which social stigma, social stress, and social safety shape the health and well-being of sexually-diverse and gender-diverse individuals at different stages of development. Dr. Diamond is best known for her research on sexual fluidity, which describes the capacity for individuals to experience unexpected shifts in sexual identity and expression over time. Her 2008 book, Sexual Fluidity, published by Harvard University Press, has been awarded the Distinguished Book Award from the American Psychological Association’s Society for the Study of LGBTQ Issues. Dr. Diamond is also co-editor of the first-ever APA Handbook of Sexuality and Psychology, published in 2014, and is a fellow of two divisions of the APA. She has published over 130 articles and book chapters, and has been invited to present her research at nearly 140 national and international Universities and conferences.

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• The changing church teachings about LGBTQ individuals (as highlighted by the document she helped create)
• Removing the narrow expectations we have about what God would or could say
• The vital need to dispel shame and how connection and being seen are the antidote to shame

Meghan Decker is a respected writer, speaker, and gay Latter-day Saint. She is co-author of Reaching for Hope: An LDS Perspective on Recovering from Depression, which has provided insight for thousands of readers who experience depression. Her new book, Tender Leaves of Hope: Finding Belonging as LGBTQ Latter-day Saint Women, shares her own experience and amplifies the voices of scores of LGBTQ women who are seeking to hear God in their lives. She has been a stake Seminary and Institute teacher, and she continues to engage with the Church as an active member. She and her husband David have five daughters and fifteen grandchildren, and they enjoy gathering to explore, eat, and trade book recommendations. To further connect with Meghan, go to her website, attend her book launch event on April 12, or follow her on Facebook or Instagram.

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In this episode, we discuss:

• Reaching for those "in the cracks" and giving everyone a voice
• Growing up around various religions and making a place for themselves
• How internalized and systemic ablism has impacted her life

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In this episode, we discuss:

• Being an activist, and using power and privilege to help marginalized individuals
• Redefining service as social justice, activism, and following Christ's example (and not just taking someone a casserole)
• Celebrating all bodies, regardless of size and society's expectations

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Some things we talk about in this episode include:

• How she moved away to preserve her relationship with her family, as well as reconciling years later
• Grief, trauma, and rejection, as well as vicarious healing
• Becoming involved with Peculiar and the work that organization does

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This episode covers:

• Some global history you may not have learned in school
• The creation of the World Congress of Families and its spread of anti-LGBTQ+ legislation across many countries
• How current events tie into all of this

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Some things Maggie talks about in this episode includes:

• Her experience with dissociative identity disorder
• Being disabled, living in a world designed for able-bodied people
• Her view on neurodivergence and God

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Some things Freddy talks about in this episode includes:

• How he discovered both versions of his queerness (thanks YouTube!)
• His view on masculinity and male privilege
• Transitioning and healthcare for trans individuals

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Some things Elena talks about in this episode includes:

• Undergoing conversion therapy
• Dealing with a divorce with children
• The systemic issues that get in the way of realizing queerness

To hear Elena's podcast episode on Human Stories with Jill Hazard Rowe that Kate mentioned on the podcast, click here.

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Some things Tiana talks about in this episode includes:

• Being diagnosed with bipolar disorder
• Her work with both NAMI and Rainbow Circle Treasure Valley
• The trauma of having her brother die when she was younger

You can connect with Tiana on Facebook or Instagram.

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Some things Hao talks about in this episode includes:

• Her work with Affirmation and BYUH
• Vietnamese culture vs Mormon culture towards queerness
• Anti-Asian racism, the bamboo ceiling, and the "model minority" myth

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Some things Laurie Lee talks about in this episode includes:

• Realizing her gender incongruence at the age of 5
• Being a church employee for over 20 years and serving in many ecclesiastical roles
• Working with Affirmation to help make it more inclusive and welcoming for trans and gender diverse individuals

To hear Laurie Lee Hall talk further about her experiences working for the church, you can check out the following videos on YouTube:

• Laurie Lee Hall, 2019 Affirmation International Conference
• Creating Sacred Spaces | Laurie Lee Hall

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In this non-interview episode, Kate and Colette talk about about topics including:

• The difference between civil and religious ceremonies when it comes to marriages
• The importance of bodily autonomy and consent
• Why people who are assigned female at birth may not realize their sexuality until later

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Some things Channing talks about in this episode includes:

• Discovering her sexuality recently, as a bi woman in a mixed-orientation marriage
• The intersection of patriarchy and queerness
• Discovering witchcraft and feminism around the same time and how she practices both of those

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Some things Blaire talks about in this episode include:

• Being a bi and intersex individual in a mixed-orientation marriage
• The ideas of celestial genocide and queer polygamy (both concepts in "Queer Mormon Theology")
• Dealing with mental health struggles when her mind and body don't fit in a binary like the Church wants it to

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• Nonbinary gender in a very gendered church
• Retreating back to the closet to wait until they could safely come out
• How they've learned to stay true to their own experiences rather than giving in to other people's expectations of them

If you want to connect with Kate, you can follow them on Instagram @latterdaylez.

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• Questioning and doubting her sexuality and being "late to lesbian"
• Working for the church while grappling with her sexuality
• Being a therapist, including working with people who are also queer

If you want to connect with Colette, you can follow her on Instagram @colettedalton or on Facebook @ColetteDaltonLCSW.

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