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		<itunes:author>Mirko Giordani</itunes:author>
		<itunes:subtitle>The only podcast on SEA and India</itunes:subtitle>
		<itunes:summary><![CDATA[I have lived my entire life in the West and I love it. I love Europe and I love my country, Italy. However, I am feeling it is time to embark in discovering the most interesting region in the world. Middle East? America? China? No, I want to explore Southeast Asia and India and their diversity, their cultural melting polt, their economic and political experiments that are far away from the attention of western media. In fact, when our media speak about Asia, they mean only China. Mainstream western media are completely forgetting Southeast Asia and India, two of the most young, diverse and driven regions in the world. The western world can’t allow anymore to forget about more than two billion of people.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
		<description><![CDATA[I have lived my entire life in the West and I love it. I love Europe and I love my country, Italy. However, I am feeling it is time to embark in discovering the most interesting region in the world. Middle East? America? China? No, I want to explore Southeast Asia and India and their diversity, their cultural melting polt, their economic and political experiments that are far away from the attention of western media. In fact, when our media speak about Asia, they mean only China. Mainstream western media are completely forgetting Southeast Asia and India, two of the most young, diverse and driven regions in the world. The western world can’t allow anymore to forget about more than two billion of people.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
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			<title><![CDATA[Discovering Penang, Malaysia's Silicon Valley - With Balakrishnan Narayanan]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA[Discovering Penang, Malaysia's Silicon Valley - With Balakrishnan Narayanan]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2020 14:02:59 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Bala is a Hong Kong-based entrepreneur, he is Mal…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Bala is a Hong Kong-based entrepreneur, he is Malaysian and he works across the entire region. I have discussed with him about the broad and topical point on how the US-China trade war is going to influence Southeast Asian countries.During previous episodes, I have dealt with the issue in a kind of broad term, but with Bala I went in-depth, and we assessed how a small Malaysian island, Penang, is going to thrive thanks to the trade war.  Penang has been ruled directly by the British and since it has been a thriving trade hub in the region, surpassed only by Singapore. In the late 70s, thanks to the ability of its Chief Minister, Penang became an educational powerhouse and it started to attract big western tech companies. However, when labor costs rose in Malaysia and China started to open up its economy with Deng Xiaoping, tech conglomerates moved their operations in mainland China. Penang was left in relative decline.However, thanks to the combo of higher labor costs in China and the uncertainties of the trade war, tech companies are now starting to come back to Penang. Companies can find in the island a cluster of exceptional universities, extensive use of the English language, and trained tech managers.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Bala is a Hong Kong-based entrepreneur, he is Malaysian and he works across the entire region. I have discussed with him about the broad and topical point on how the US-China trade war is going to influence Southeast Asian countries.During previous episodes, I have dealt with the issue in a kind of broad term, but with Bala I went in-depth, and we assessed how a small Malaysian island, Penang, is going to thrive thanks to the trade war.  Penang has been ruled directly by the British and since it has been a thriving trade hub in the region, surpassed only by Singapore. In the late 70s, thanks to the ability of its Chief Minister, Penang became an educational powerhouse and it started to attract big western tech companies. However, when labor costs rose in Malaysia and China started to open up its economy with Deng Xiaoping, tech conglomerates moved their operations in mainland China. Penang was left in relative decline.However, thanks to the combo of higher labor costs in China and the uncertainties of the trade war, tech companies are now starting to come back to Penang. Companies can find in the island a cluster of exceptional universities, extensive use of the English language, and trained tech managers.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Duterte is overplaying his hands with China - With Richard Heydarian</title>
			<itunes:title>Duterte is overplaying his hands with China - With Richard Heydarian</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2020 14:02:58 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Richard Heydarian is one of the most authoritativ…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Richard Heydarian is one of the most authoritative source regarding the Philippines and Rodrigo Duterte. According to Heydarian, in the past Duterte, a local politician in Davao with zero experience in global affairs, has been capable to pragmatically shift Manila’s foreign policy away from an ironclad and rigid alliance with Washington. Duterte, differently from previous leaders, has been acute enough to understand that sometimes the Philippines’ national interests would have been better off by distancing from the US and binding more with Beijing.However, Durerte has swung too much aggressively towards China and he is not appreciating anymore the value of the US deterrence against a more assertive Chinese presence in the South China Sea.The military apparatus, obviously, is not really in tune with Duterte’s pro China stances.According to Heydarian, Duterte and his supporters are overestimating China’s assets and underestimating it’s liabilities: aging population, ecological catastrophe and structural economic slowdown. There will not be a complete collapse, as American scholars predict, but the physics of power and economics are hitting hard on China.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Richard Heydarian is one of the most authoritative source regarding the Philippines and Rodrigo Duterte. According to Heydarian, in the past Duterte, a local politician in Davao with zero experience in global affairs, has been capable to pragmatically shift Manila’s foreign policy away from an ironclad and rigid alliance with Washington. Duterte, differently from previous leaders, has been acute enough to understand that sometimes the Philippines’ national interests would have been better off by distancing from the US and binding more with Beijing.However, Durerte has swung too much aggressively towards China and he is not appreciating anymore the value of the US deterrence against a more assertive Chinese presence in the South China Sea.The military apparatus, obviously, is not really in tune with Duterte’s pro China stances.According to Heydarian, Duterte and his supporters are overestimating China’s assets and underestimating it’s liabilities: aging population, ecological catastrophe and structural economic slowdown. There will not be a complete collapse, as American scholars predict, but the physics of power and economics are hitting hard on China.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>China has been useful for the elites in Duterte’s circle - With Carlo Fong Luy</title>
			<itunes:title>China has been useful for the elites in Duterte’s circle - With Carlo Fong Luy</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2020 14:02:58 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Carlo Fong Luy is a young researcher and he has a…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Carlo Fong Luy is a young researcher and he has a lot to share about his country, the Philippines. As you dear listeners may have understood, I have a passion to speak about Rodrigo Duterte and his flamboyant foreign policy.According to Carlo, in order to understand Duterte, we need to depart from a rock-solid assertion: the Philippines’ politics is an oligarchy. Powerful elites control vast swaths of the country and government needs them. A pro-Chinese foreign policy lead Chinese investments that have been beneficial particularly for the elites in Duterte’s circle: Dennis Uy and Lucio Tan.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Carlo Fong Luy is a young researcher and he has a lot to share about his country, the Philippines. As you dear listeners may have understood, I have a passion to speak about Rodrigo Duterte and his flamboyant foreign policy.According to Carlo, in order to understand Duterte, we need to depart from a rock-solid assertion: the Philippines’ politics is an oligarchy. Powerful elites control vast swaths of the country and government needs them. A pro-Chinese foreign policy lead Chinese investments that have been beneficial particularly for the elites in Duterte’s circle: Dennis Uy and Lucio Tan.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Forget about an Indian major involvement in Southeast Asia - With Gregory Poling</title>
			<itunes:title>Forget about an Indian major involvement in Southeast Asia - With Gregory Poling</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2020 14:02:56 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>If Vansh Saluja was quite sure about India’s dipl…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[If Vansh Saluja was quite sure about India’s diplomatic, political and military capabilities in Southeast Asia, Gregory Poling, from the CSIS, is not sure about it.He believes that, on case of an American disengagement from the region, India will be incapable to provide any political or military reach. ASEAN has insistently asked India in the past for a major geopolitical involvement, but it never happened. At most, India will be another middle power in the region.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[If Vansh Saluja was quite sure about India’s diplomatic, political and military capabilities in Southeast Asia, Gregory Poling, from the CSIS, is not sure about it.He believes that, on case of an American disengagement from the region, India will be incapable to provide any political or military reach. ASEAN has insistently asked India in the past for a major geopolitical involvement, but it never happened. At most, India will be another middle power in the region.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>India has the capacity to guarantee freedom of navigation in Southeast Asia - With Vansh Saluja</title>
			<itunes:title>India has the capacity to guarantee freedom of navigation in Southeast Asia - With Vansh Saluja</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2020 14:02:55 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Vansh Saluja is the co-founder of the Confederati…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Vansh Saluja is the co-founder of the Confederation of Young Leaders. He is actively promoting cultural and political exchanges between young Indian activists, policymakers and businessmen with their Chinese counterparts.He is creating bridges between two nations that just two generations ago were on the being of a catastrophic war on the Himalayan heights.However, I had a point for him: what will happen to the Indian foreign policy in case of  an American security disengagement from the region, especially from South China Sea and the maritime chokepoints.Vansh l’è answer has been clearcut: despite India’ incomprehensions with some ASEAN countries, especially Malaysia over Jammu Kashmir, India will step up and make its part to guarantee the security of the maritime trade routes.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Vansh Saluja is the co-founder of the Confederation of Young Leaders. He is actively promoting cultural and political exchanges between young Indian activists, policymakers and businessmen with their Chinese counterparts.He is creating bridges between two nations that just two generations ago were on the being of a catastrophic war on the Himalayan heights.However, I had a point for him: what will happen to the Indian foreign policy in case of  an American security disengagement from the region, especially from South China Sea and the maritime chokepoints.Vansh l’è answer has been clearcut: despite India’ incomprehensions with some ASEAN countries, especially Malaysia over Jammu Kashmir, India will step up and make its part to guarantee the security of the maritime trade routes.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>ASEAN is in fantastic shape, and the next decade will be even better – With Kishore Mahbubani</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2019 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Kishore Mahbubani is a living legend when we deal…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Kishore Mahbubani is a living legend when we deal with Southeast Asia, India and ASEAN. He is one the brightest mind and I had the honor of having him in my podcast.Kishore Mahbubani is a living legend when we deal with Southeast Asia, India, and ASEAN. He is one the brightest mind, and I had the honor of having him in my podcast.Kishore Mahbubani has been a supporter of a significant role of India in ASEAN, but the issue, according to his judgment, is very delicate. There are problems in the short term and great opportunities in the long term. In the short term, ASEAN got disappointed towards India because it didn’t join the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership. India is domestically preoccupied with various challenges, and it can’t divert its attention to other goals.However, the history showed us that, until the 18th century, the biggest economies in the world were China and India, and only in the last two centuries the West has taken off the two Asian nations. China has come back very fast, and India will come back slowly but steadily. In 2050, China will be the first economic power, and India will be number two.Professor Mahbubani also speaks about ASEAN and how, routinely, it has been considered as a failing and declining organization. Two years ago, when Indian outperformed China, western media were jubilating. This year, despite ASEAN has slowed a bit, is performing better than India. No western media took note of it. Despite regular ups and downs, ASEAN forward trajectory has not stopped.Professor Mahbubani considers ASEAN as the second most successful international organization in the world while he believes the EU the best one. ASEAN and EU, according to Mahbubani, have a natural partnership. However, there is a caveat: EU must treat ASEAN with respect. The case of the palm oil and the various sanctions EU is targeting ASEAN countries are the brightest examples of a western organization trying to patronize over different political and economic cultures.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Kishore Mahbubani is a living legend when we deal with Southeast Asia, India and ASEAN. He is one the brightest mind and I had the honor of having him in my podcast.Kishore Mahbubani is a living legend when we deal with Southeast Asia, India, and ASEAN. He is one the brightest mind, and I had the honor of having him in my podcast.Kishore Mahbubani has been a supporter of a significant role of India in ASEAN, but the issue, according to his judgment, is very delicate. There are problems in the short term and great opportunities in the long term. In the short term, ASEAN got disappointed towards India because it didn’t join the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership. India is domestically preoccupied with various challenges, and it can’t divert its attention to other goals.However, the history showed us that, until the 18th century, the biggest economies in the world were China and India, and only in the last two centuries the West has taken off the two Asian nations. China has come back very fast, and India will come back slowly but steadily. In 2050, China will be the first economic power, and India will be number two.Professor Mahbubani also speaks about ASEAN and how, routinely, it has been considered as a failing and declining organization. Two years ago, when Indian outperformed China, western media were jubilating. This year, despite ASEAN has slowed a bit, is performing better than India. No western media took note of it. Despite regular ups and downs, ASEAN forward trajectory has not stopped.Professor Mahbubani considers ASEAN as the second most successful international organization in the world while he believes the EU the best one. ASEAN and EU, according to Mahbubani, have a natural partnership. However, there is a caveat: EU must treat ASEAN with respect. The case of the palm oil and the various sanctions EU is targeting ASEAN countries are the brightest examples of a western organization trying to patronize over different political and economic cultures.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>India will have a bright future only with better institutions – With Aaditya Dave</title>
			<itunes:title>India will have a bright future only with better institutions – With Aaditya Dave</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2019 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>11:27</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Aditya Dave is an Indian expat living and thrivin…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Aditya Dave is an Indian expat living and thriving in London. He has no doubts that India will play a future role in the world stage, but only with better and more functioning institutions. China is the present, India will be the future, only at certain conditions.India is a massive market, but currently the economic performances are sluggish. It is facing internal struggles with the Muslim factions in the north of the country, and some Muslim countries, including Malaysia, are backlashing. However, more pragmatic Gulf Countries like Saudi Arabia continue to do business in India despite the recent turmoils. Nevertheless, despite India pride itself on being the biggest democracy in the world, is far away from having effective governance. Indian democracy is still not so inclusive, and this can hamper future economic growth prospects.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Aditya Dave is an Indian expat living and thriving in London. He has no doubts that India will play a future role in the world stage, but only with better and more functioning institutions. China is the present, India will be the future, only at certain conditions.India is a massive market, but currently the economic performances are sluggish. It is facing internal struggles with the Muslim factions in the north of the country, and some Muslim countries, including Malaysia, are backlashing. However, more pragmatic Gulf Countries like Saudi Arabia continue to do business in India despite the recent turmoils. Nevertheless, despite India pride itself on being the biggest democracy in the world, is far away from having effective governance. Indian democracy is still not so inclusive, and this can hamper future economic growth prospects.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Indonesian democracy wants results, not neverending ideological battles – With Shoeb Kagda</title>
			<itunes:title>Indonesian democracy wants results, not neverending ideological battles – With Shoeb Kagda</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2019 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>11:19</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>As a westerner, I had doubts over the alliance be…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[As a westerner, I had doubts over the alliance between Jokowi and Subianto. Was it really right, from a point of view where democracy means majority vs minority, that a government represent nearly all the political factions in a country? That was the case when Subianto joined Jokowi in the government.Shoeb Kagda, the founder of the Indonesian Economic Forum, believes that this is just the normality. Indonesian democracy is not interested in neverending ideological battles, but in delivering results for the people. Indonesian leaders can’t afford to lose time, they need to get things done because the country still needs colossal structural reforms, first of all in the job market.Southeast Asia shows that the west, entangled in a parliamentary system that can’t decide on anything, does not have a monopoly of what democracy really means.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[As a westerner, I had doubts over the alliance between Jokowi and Subianto. Was it really right, from a point of view where democracy means majority vs minority, that a government represent nearly all the political factions in a country? That was the case when Subianto joined Jokowi in the government.Shoeb Kagda, the founder of the Indonesian Economic Forum, believes that this is just the normality. Indonesian democracy is not interested in neverending ideological battles, but in delivering results for the people. Indonesian leaders can’t afford to lose time, they need to get things done because the country still needs colossal structural reforms, first of all in the job market.Southeast Asia shows that the west, entangled in a parliamentary system that can’t decide on anything, does not have a monopoly of what democracy really means.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Despite political instability, Indonesia is too big to ignore for investors – With Keith Leong</title>
			<itunes:title>Despite political instability, Indonesia is too big to ignore for investors – With Keith Leong</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2019 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>8:58</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>During the financial crisis, some banks were “too…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[During the financial crisis, some banks were “too big to fail”. According to Keith Leong, Indonesia, despite the political turmoils, is “too big to ignore”.The second term of Jokowi, in fact, is not starting positively: a series of unpopular projects of reform, which would endanger civil liberties, led young people on the streets. Despite the chaos, the Indonesian market is so massive that investors and businessmen can’t ignore it.However, civil unrest is not an uncommon feature in Indonesian politics and society. Indonesian political system prefers results over ideology, and it is not unusual that the country is led by a big coalitional government, in which majority and large portions of the minority rule together.For this reason, the opposition is usually tiny and not so effective, so the need for Indonesia to have a strong and fierce independent civil society, ready to occupy street and squares against any government.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[During the financial crisis, some banks were “too big to fail”. According to Keith Leong, Indonesia, despite the political turmoils, is “too big to ignore”.The second term of Jokowi, in fact, is not starting positively: a series of unpopular projects of reform, which would endanger civil liberties, led young people on the streets. Despite the chaos, the Indonesian market is so massive that investors and businessmen can’t ignore it.However, civil unrest is not an uncommon feature in Indonesian politics and society. Indonesian political system prefers results over ideology, and it is not unusual that the country is led by a big coalitional government, in which majority and large portions of the minority rule together.For this reason, the opposition is usually tiny and not so effective, so the need for Indonesia to have a strong and fierce independent civil society, ready to occupy street and squares against any government.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Russia will be a key player in Manila’s defense buildup – With Chester Cabalza</title>
			<itunes:title>Russia will be a key player in Manila’s defense buildup – With Chester Cabalza</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 31 Oct 2019 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>13:59</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Russia will be a key player in Manila’s defense b…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Russia will be a key player in Manila’s defense buildup – With Chester Cabalza by Mirko Giordani<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Russia will be a key player in Manila’s defense buildup – With Chester Cabalza by Mirko Giordani<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Never put all your eggs in one basket, this is Duterte’s mantra in foreign policy – With Lucio Pitlo</title>
			<itunes:title>Never put all your eggs in one basket, this is Duterte’s mantra in foreign policy – With Lucio Pitlo</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2019 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Rodrigo Duterte is Machiavellian and believes in …</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Rodrigo Duterte is Machiavellian and believes in a fundamental principle in foreign policy: mind your business and stay out of mine. The dirty war against drug lords is not very popular in the West, but Duterte doesn’t care. If the West is judging him and punish The Philippines, he doesn’t have any problem to bond with Beijing, even if the Philippines’ army doesn’t agree.Lucio Pitlo is not speaking about some general disagreement between the Philippines and the West. During the siege of Marawi, the West didn’t sell weapons and ammunition to Manila over human rights concerns in the drug war. Duterte didn’t have any problems asking weaponry to China and Russia, which diligently fulfill Duterte’s demands.When you have ISIS-backed Islamists attacking a city of your country, who can blame Duterte’s decision to be pragmatic and ask two unusual partners for help?<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Rodrigo Duterte is Machiavellian and believes in a fundamental principle in foreign policy: mind your business and stay out of mine. The dirty war against drug lords is not very popular in the West, but Duterte doesn’t care. If the West is judging him and punish The Philippines, he doesn’t have any problem to bond with Beijing, even if the Philippines’ army doesn’t agree.Lucio Pitlo is not speaking about some general disagreement between the Philippines and the West. During the siege of Marawi, the West didn’t sell weapons and ammunition to Manila over human rights concerns in the drug war. Duterte didn’t have any problems asking weaponry to China and Russia, which diligently fulfill Duterte’s demands.When you have ISIS-backed Islamists attacking a city of your country, who can blame Duterte’s decision to be pragmatic and ask two unusual partners for help?<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>If westerners are naive about Duterte, Chinese money is not – With Alvin Camba</title>
			<itunes:title>If westerners are naive about Duterte, Chinese money is not – With Alvin Camba</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2019 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>17:01</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Rodrigo Duterte is famous for his quite unusual a…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Rodrigo Duterte is famous for his quite unusual and soft stance towards China. Filipinos, in general, have a deep distrust for China and you maybe believe that they distrust Duterte for his “love affairs” with Beijing. Wrong! Duterte has been enjoying the highest approval rate since the Marcos’ Administration.But what is the state-of-the-art of Manila’s economic dealings with Beijing? The Philippines are, together with Brunei, the South East Asian country, which has had the lowest level of Chinese investment. Differently from countries like Malaysia, where the political backlash against Chinese conditions on lending money, The Philippines never found themselves in that position. The Philippines are in desperate need of foreign investments, and the Chinese capitals are the easiest available on the shelf.Do Europeans and Americans have their share of responsibility for putting The Philippines in the arms and hands of Chinese money? Yes, they have. There is the credence that money from democratic countries can help to democratize authoritarian regimes. Now, Duterte’s regime is not even near to perfect democracy. It is a regime in a fierce war against drug lords and terrorists, striving for a better economy and less poverty. It is what it is, no less and no more. Differently from western money, Chinese money doesn’t look at the human rights record of The Philippines, and they are more than welcomed for this reason.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Rodrigo Duterte is famous for his quite unusual and soft stance towards China. Filipinos, in general, have a deep distrust for China and you maybe believe that they distrust Duterte for his “love affairs” with Beijing. Wrong! Duterte has been enjoying the highest approval rate since the Marcos’ Administration.But what is the state-of-the-art of Manila’s economic dealings with Beijing? The Philippines are, together with Brunei, the South East Asian country, which has had the lowest level of Chinese investment. Differently from countries like Malaysia, where the political backlash against Chinese conditions on lending money, The Philippines never found themselves in that position. The Philippines are in desperate need of foreign investments, and the Chinese capitals are the easiest available on the shelf.Do Europeans and Americans have their share of responsibility for putting The Philippines in the arms and hands of Chinese money? Yes, they have. There is the credence that money from democratic countries can help to democratize authoritarian regimes. Now, Duterte’s regime is not even near to perfect democracy. It is a regime in a fierce war against drug lords and terrorists, striving for a better economy and less poverty. It is what it is, no less and no more. Differently from western money, Chinese money doesn’t look at the human rights record of The Philippines, and they are more than welcomed for this reason.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Indonesia and EU must sort out the palm oil chaos – With Shoeb Kagda</title>
			<itunes:title>Indonesia and EU must sort out the palm oil chaos – With Shoeb Kagda</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Shoeb Kagda is the founder of the Indonesian Econ…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Shoeb Kagda is the founder of the Indonesian Economic Forum, and knows very well what it Indonesia's long-term challenge: passing from being a lower-income economy to a middle-income economy.The country needs structural reforms, and Jokowi, elected for his second term, pledged for deep structural reforms, especially in the job market. The country, however, not only needs the political will of his leader, it needs capitals to modernize the infrastructures and its digital and telecommunication network.European capitals may play an important role in Indonesia, but there are still some hurdles. In fact, European money and trade deals usually come with ethical and moral standards to be met before the deal is made. Shoeb is right in saying that this is a complete “non-starter”. The palm oil issue is, sadly, the best example of how dysfunctional is the relationship between the EU and Indonesia.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Shoeb Kagda is the founder of the Indonesian Economic Forum, and knows very well what it Indonesia's long-term challenge: passing from being a lower-income economy to a middle-income economy.The country needs structural reforms, and Jokowi, elected for his second term, pledged for deep structural reforms, especially in the job market. The country, however, not only needs the political will of his leader, it needs capitals to modernize the infrastructures and its digital and telecommunication network.European capitals may play an important role in Indonesia, but there are still some hurdles. In fact, European money and trade deals usually come with ethical and moral standards to be met before the deal is made. Shoeb is right in saying that this is a complete “non-starter”. The palm oil issue is, sadly, the best example of how dysfunctional is the relationship between the EU and Indonesia.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Deep in the SEA: a rapid overview over Southeast Asia state of affair - With Manu Bhaskaran</title>
			<itunes:title>Deep in the SEA: a rapid overview over Southeast Asia state of affair - With Manu Bhaskaran</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Sun, 15 Sep 2019 13:35:19 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Today let's take a dive and go deep in the SEA. M…]]></itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Today let's take a dive and go deep in the SEA. Manu Bhaskaran, CEO of Centennial Asia, today gives us insightful overview of the current hottest topics to follow in Southeast Asia: Mahatir's ups and downs with China, Duterte's appeasement with Beijing, the economic consequences over Vietnam and Singapore of the US-China trade war and Widodo's desperate need to unleash Indonesia's economic capabilities through structural reforms. Have a liste to Manu's opinions!<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Today let's take a dive and go deep in the SEA. Manu Bhaskaran, CEO of Centennial Asia, today gives us insightful overview of the current hottest topics to follow in Southeast Asia: Mahatir's ups and downs with China, Duterte's appeasement with Beijing, the economic consequences over Vietnam and Singapore of the US-China trade war and Widodo's desperate need to unleash Indonesia's economic capabilities through structural reforms. Have a liste to Manu's opinions!<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA["BRN can sit on the table with the Thai because they completely control the South" - With Don Patan]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["BRN can sit on the table with the Thai because they completely control the South" - With Don Patan]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:14:58 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>8:13</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>For this podcast, Thailand is a brand-new argumen…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[For this podcast, Thailand is a brand-new argument. I have dealt extensively with Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and India, but today I am metaphorically traveling along the Mekong river, arriving in beautiful Thailand. With Don Patan, which is a security analyst based in Thailand, I have spoken about the Malay insurgency in the south.I was interested to know about the peace talks between the BRN (Barisan Revolusi Nasional), which is the most important insurgent group in the Malay-speaking region, and the Thai Army. According to Don, the Barisan is not the only insurgent faction in the south, but it is the strongest because has real and huge grassroots support base within the Malay population and the madrasas. Furthermore, BRN has strong religious credentials, despite being clearly an ethnonationalist group. Other insurgent factions were cut loose when the funds from Arab states finished back in the 90es, and their leaders live in exile overseas. Don believes that Malay population agrees with the insurgents, but profoundly disagree with the brutality.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[For this podcast, Thailand is a brand-new argument. I have dealt extensively with Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and India, but today I am metaphorically traveling along the Mekong river, arriving in beautiful Thailand. With Don Patan, which is a security analyst based in Thailand, I have spoken about the Malay insurgency in the south.I was interested to know about the peace talks between the BRN (Barisan Revolusi Nasional), which is the most important insurgent group in the Malay-speaking region, and the Thai Army. According to Don, the Barisan is not the only insurgent faction in the south, but it is the strongest because has real and huge grassroots support base within the Malay population and the madrasas. Furthermore, BRN has strong religious credentials, despite being clearly an ethnonationalist group. Other insurgent factions were cut loose when the funds from Arab states finished back in the 90es, and their leaders live in exile overseas. Don believes that Malay population agrees with the insurgents, but profoundly disagree with the brutality.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA["Kashmir: the grass two elephants fight on and fight for" - With Akshobh Giridharadas]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["Kashmir: the grass two elephants fight on and fight for" - With Akshobh Giridharadas]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2019 20:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>A journalist by profession, Akshobh Giridharadas …</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[A journalist by profession, Akshobh Giridharadas was based out of Singapore as a reporter and producer with Channel News Asia, Singapore covering international business news. He writes on diverse topics such as geopolitics, business, tech and sports. His previous endeavors include working at ESPN STAR and FOX networks. He is a two time TEDx speaker and is a graduate of the Fletcher School of Law & Diplomacy, Tufts specializing in international affairs.With Giridharadas I have spoken extensively about Indian current problems, like education and job creation. However, the focus of our conversation revolved around the Kashmir issue. Does Pakistan have the moral standing to bring the Kashmir issue to the international arena and to criticize India for not respecting human rights? According to Giridharadas, there is no such thing. Pakistan has a very bad record on human rights in Baluchistan and it is a country which is not famous for hosting several minorities, differently from India. Kashmir is and Indian issue, and a Pakistani intervention is not only not respectful of the Indian sovereignty, but also hypocritical.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[A journalist by profession, Akshobh Giridharadas was based out of Singapore as a reporter and producer with Channel News Asia, Singapore covering international business news. He writes on diverse topics such as geopolitics, business, tech and sports. His previous endeavors include working at ESPN STAR and FOX networks. He is a two time TEDx speaker and is a graduate of the Fletcher School of Law & Diplomacy, Tufts specializing in international affairs.With Giridharadas I have spoken extensively about Indian current problems, like education and job creation. However, the focus of our conversation revolved around the Kashmir issue. Does Pakistan have the moral standing to bring the Kashmir issue to the international arena and to criticize India for not respecting human rights? According to Giridharadas, there is no such thing. Pakistan has a very bad record on human rights in Baluchistan and it is a country which is not famous for hosting several minorities, differently from India. Kashmir is and Indian issue, and a Pakistani intervention is not only not respectful of the Indian sovereignty, but also hypocritical.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA["On palm oil, EU is wrong and science is on the side of Indonesia and Malaysia" - With Douglas Paal]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["On palm oil, EU is wrong and science is on the side of Indonesia and Malaysia" - With Douglas Paal]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2019 16:04:36 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Douglas H. Paal is a distinguished fellow at the …</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Douglas H. Paal is a distinguished fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. He previously served as vice chairman of JPMorgan Chase International (2006–2008). He was on the National Security Council staffs of Presidents Reagan and George H. W. Bush between 1986 and 1993 as director of Asian Affairs and then as senior director and special assistant to the president. According to Mr. Paal, from 1980 until mid-1990, ASEAN countries were more compliant and receptive about human and labor rights records. This has happened because the US, Europe and Japan were the principal trade partners of ASEAN countries and they pretended such high standards. Nowadays China appears to be the dominant actor in the region and Southeast Asian countries have leverage against the western moralistic approach regarding trade deals. However, despite demanding high labor and human rights standard in exchange of trade advantages is not negative at all, in some cases, it can be wrong and even paternalistic: this is the case of palm oil. Indonesia and Malaysia, in fact, are de facto blocking the creation of a strategic partnership between ASEAN and EU because the latter is not willing to buy palm oil over unjustified health and environmental issues. According to Paal, on the palm oil issue science is absolutely in the side of Indonesia and Malaysia.Speaking about the American engagement with Southeast Asia, Mr Paal reminded the period between 1980 and late 1990, when American investment bankers and businessmen were flooding in Jakarta, Singapore and Bangkok hotels to finalize important deals. Southeast Asia was considered back then the future of the world economy, until 1997, when the bubble burst. From that point, the US attention shifted to China and only once in a blue moon an American official lands in Southeast Asia, as Mike Pompeo did some weeks ago. On the contrary, EU and single European countries, like Germany, Italy and France, can be better-positioned towards Southeast Asia. However, they lack in strategic approach and their moves seem more tactical and not long-term oriented. In addition, southern countries like Greece, Italy and Spain are getting so much entangled with China and BRI that they need to keep their partnerships with Southeast Asia to a lower level than in the past.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Douglas H. Paal is a distinguished fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. He previously served as vice chairman of JPMorgan Chase International (2006–2008). He was on the National Security Council staffs of Presidents Reagan and George H. W. Bush between 1986 and 1993 as director of Asian Affairs and then as senior director and special assistant to the president. According to Mr. Paal, from 1980 until mid-1990, ASEAN countries were more compliant and receptive about human and labor rights records. This has happened because the US, Europe and Japan were the principal trade partners of ASEAN countries and they pretended such high standards. Nowadays China appears to be the dominant actor in the region and Southeast Asian countries have leverage against the western moralistic approach regarding trade deals. However, despite demanding high labor and human rights standard in exchange of trade advantages is not negative at all, in some cases, it can be wrong and even paternalistic: this is the case of palm oil. Indonesia and Malaysia, in fact, are de facto blocking the creation of a strategic partnership between ASEAN and EU because the latter is not willing to buy palm oil over unjustified health and environmental issues. According to Paal, on the palm oil issue science is absolutely in the side of Indonesia and Malaysia.Speaking about the American engagement with Southeast Asia, Mr Paal reminded the period between 1980 and late 1990, when American investment bankers and businessmen were flooding in Jakarta, Singapore and Bangkok hotels to finalize important deals. Southeast Asia was considered back then the future of the world economy, until 1997, when the bubble burst. From that point, the US attention shifted to China and only once in a blue moon an American official lands in Southeast Asia, as Mike Pompeo did some weeks ago. On the contrary, EU and single European countries, like Germany, Italy and France, can be better-positioned towards Southeast Asia. However, they lack in strategic approach and their moves seem more tactical and not long-term oriented. In addition, southern countries like Greece, Italy and Spain are getting so much entangled with China and BRI that they need to keep their partnerships with Southeast Asia to a lower level than in the past.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Vietnamese Politburo doesn’t like Beijing, but it must be pragmatic – With Carlyle Thayer</title>
			<itunes:title>Vietnamese Politburo doesn’t like Beijing, but it must be pragmatic – With Carlyle Thayer</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Sat, 07 Sep 2019 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Countries can’t escape their history, and Vietnam…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Countries can’t escape their history, and Vietnam is not an exception. It has a history of having fought wars both with the USA and China, two countries from which it tries to maintain cooperation while preserving strategic independence. Vietnam is a socialist country and, for obvious reasons, enjoys a special political relationship with China. However, members of Vietnamese Politburo, far away from being open supporters of Beijing, they are quite pragmatic. China, despite the tensions over the South China Sea, represents the first trade partner for Vietnam, and hard facts can’t be ignored.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Countries can’t escape their history, and Vietnam is not an exception. It has a history of having fought wars both with the USA and China, two countries from which it tries to maintain cooperation while preserving strategic independence. Vietnam is a socialist country and, for obvious reasons, enjoys a special political relationship with China. However, members of Vietnamese Politburo, far away from being open supporters of Beijing, they are quite pragmatic. China, despite the tensions over the South China Sea, represents the first trade partner for Vietnam, and hard facts can’t be ignored.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>You don’t choose your neighbors, that’s why Myanmar is getting closer with China – With Moe Thuzar</title>
			<itunes:title>You don’t choose your neighbors, that’s why Myanmar is getting closer with China – With Moe Thuzar</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2019 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>22:50</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Geography is not an opinion, is a hard fact. NLD,…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Geography is not an opinion, is a hard fact. NLD, Suu Ky’s party, was the leading opposition party against the military junta and it was very skeptic against China. However, today the Chinese colossus is just at the border and NLD delegations are flying to Communist China.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Geography is not an opinion, is a hard fact. NLD, Suu Ky’s party, was the leading opposition party against the military junta and it was very skeptic against China. However, today the Chinese colossus is just at the border and NLD delegations are flying to Communist China.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA["Europe must stop being moralistic over Indonesian palm oil" - With Siwage Negara.]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["Europe must stop being moralistic over Indonesian palm oil" - With Siwage Negara.]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2019 15:06:59 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>18:57</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Siwage Negara is a Senior Fellow at ISEAS and  Co…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Siwage Negara is a Senior Fellow at ISEAS and  Co-coordinator of the Indonesia Studies Programme. Siwage believes that Jokowi will be capable to unleash Indonesia's full economic potential in his last term, by lowering hight taxation and reducing the staggering national bureaucracy. Speaking about European engagement and FDI in Southeast Asia, Siwage admitted that most of the European investments are flooding in Singapore and Vietnam, the new rising star of the region. However, he believes that if the EU stops with its moralistic approach over Indonesian palm oil, the relationship between the biggest economy on SEA and EU can flourish and can be brought to a new level.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Siwage Negara is a Senior Fellow at ISEAS and  Co-coordinator of the Indonesia Studies Programme. Siwage believes that Jokowi will be capable to unleash Indonesia's full economic potential in his last term, by lowering hight taxation and reducing the staggering national bureaucracy. Speaking about European engagement and FDI in Southeast Asia, Siwage admitted that most of the European investments are flooding in Singapore and Vietnam, the new rising star of the region. However, he believes that if the EU stops with its moralistic approach over Indonesian palm oil, the relationship between the biggest economy on SEA and EU can flourish and can be brought to a new level.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA["Ordinary Southeast Asians start to have negative perceptions on China" - With Bridget Welsh]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["Ordinary Southeast Asians start to have negative perceptions on China" - With Bridget Welsh]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2019 16:13:14 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Bridget Welsh is Associate Professor of Political…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Bridget Welsh is Associate Professor of Political Science at John Cabot University. Bridget believes that nowadays ordinary Southeast Asians have negative perceptions of China. She argues that this trend is noticeable through the lens of the elections: in Malaysia, China was a very important theme during the campaign, the same in Indonesia and in the Philippines. According to Bridget, China is clearly facing a political backlash on Southeast Asia. That is the reason why ASEAN countries are in desperate need to diversify and to seek different strong economic partnerships with other actors in the world stage. Among them, European countries can be an alternative and more reliable player than China. On the one hand, bilateral economic partnerships are flourishing, especially with countries like France, UK, Italy and Germany. On the other hand, a holistic and strategic partnership between ASEAN and EU will face hurdles, principally due to the unwillingness of the EU officials to compromise over palm oil production in Malaysia and Indonesia. According to Bridget, the EU-ASEAN strategic partnership is currently going nowhere.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Bridget Welsh is Associate Professor of Political Science at John Cabot University. Bridget believes that nowadays ordinary Southeast Asians have negative perceptions of China. She argues that this trend is noticeable through the lens of the elections: in Malaysia, China was a very important theme during the campaign, the same in Indonesia and in the Philippines. According to Bridget, China is clearly facing a political backlash on Southeast Asia. That is the reason why ASEAN countries are in desperate need to diversify and to seek different strong economic partnerships with other actors in the world stage. Among them, European countries can be an alternative and more reliable player than China. On the one hand, bilateral economic partnerships are flourishing, especially with countries like France, UK, Italy and Germany. On the other hand, a holistic and strategic partnership between ASEAN and EU will face hurdles, principally due to the unwillingness of the EU officials to compromise over palm oil production in Malaysia and Indonesia. According to Bridget, the EU-ASEAN strategic partnership is currently going nowhere.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA["Duterte is desperate for Chinese investments, but only for his community" - With Phidel Vineles]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["Duterte is desperate for Chinese investments, but only for his community" - With Phidel Vineles]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2019 15:17:15 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>12:54</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Phidel Vineles is a Senior Analyst in the Science…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Phidel Vineles is a Senior Analyst in the Science and Technology Studies Programme (STSP) in the Office of the Executive Deputy Chairman at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies (RSIS), Nanyang Technological University (NTU), Singapore.Phidel believes that Duterte is in desperate need of investments from China, but with one problem: the benefits need to go only to Duterte's local community, his political stronghold. However, Phidel believes that other investors, especially Europeans, can play an important role in the region by providing skills to boost connectivity, especially in redesigning smart cities.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Phidel Vineles is a Senior Analyst in the Science and Technology Studies Programme (STSP) in the Office of the Executive Deputy Chairman at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies (RSIS), Nanyang Technological University (NTU), Singapore.Phidel believes that Duterte is in desperate need of investments from China, but with one problem: the benefits need to go only to Duterte's local community, his political stronghold. However, Phidel believes that other investors, especially Europeans, can play an important role in the region by providing skills to boost connectivity, especially in redesigning smart cities.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA["Mahathir was in love with Japan, now he has to deal with a powerful China" - With Emmanuel Daniel]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["Mahathir was in love with Japan, now he has to deal with a powerful China" - With Emmanuel Daniel]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2019 15:05:42 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>17:59</itunes:duration>
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			<description><![CDATA[Emmanuel Daniel is a Singapore-based entrepreneur. Daniel founded The Asian Banker in Singapore in September 1996 as a publisher of research and benchmarking, and events catering to the financial services industry. Daniel won the Citibank Excellence in Journalism Award for the Asian region in February 1999 for his work in determining the impact of the Internet on banking.Emmanuel believes that Mahathir political life has been divided into two phases: the first when he was in love with Japanese technological growth and the second, which represent the current situation, when he has to deal pragmatically with a very powerful China. Mahathir can't say no to Chinese investments, but he can emend the mistakes made by his predecessors. According to Emmanuel, Mahathir did it with a very pragmatic renegotiation of projects such as the East Coast Rail Link.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Emmanuel Daniel is a Singapore-based entrepreneur. Daniel founded The Asian Banker in Singapore in September 1996 as a publisher of research and benchmarking, and events catering to the financial services industry. Daniel won the Citibank Excellence in Journalism Award for the Asian region in February 1999 for his work in determining the impact of the Internet on banking.Emmanuel believes that Mahathir political life has been divided into two phases: the first when he was in love with Japanese technological growth and the second, which represent the current situation, when he has to deal pragmatically with a very powerful China. Mahathir can't say no to Chinese investments, but he can emend the mistakes made by his predecessors. According to Emmanuel, Mahathir did it with a very pragmatic renegotiation of projects such as the East Coast Rail Link.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA["EU and USA investments in ASEAN can provide better standards than Chinese ones" - With Erin Murphy]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["EU and USA investments in ASEAN can provide better standards than Chinese ones" - With Erin Murphy]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2019 15:46:44 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>36:37</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Ms. Murphy served as the special assistant to the…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Ms. Murphy served as the special assistant to the Office of the Special Representative and Policy Coordinator for Burma (Myanmar). In addition, Murphy is the founder of Inle Advisory. In the conservation with her, there are three very important points: the importance for Southeast Asian countries of having a strong cohort of technocrats, which can save countries from an over-politicized public discourse, the high reputational risk of investing into some ASEAN countries, namely Myanmar, The Philippines and Vietnam and finally the need for ASEAN to have an alternative source of investments, one that can be less aggressive and more accountable than the BRI. She made clearly the case for a major presence of both American and European investments, which can improve both the standard of living of the most impoverished zones and provide a more accountable stream of investments in  the region.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Ms. Murphy served as the special assistant to the Office of the Special Representative and Policy Coordinator for Burma (Myanmar). In addition, Murphy is the founder of Inle Advisory. In the conservation with her, there are three very important points: the importance for Southeast Asian countries of having a strong cohort of technocrats, which can save countries from an over-politicized public discourse, the high reputational risk of investing into some ASEAN countries, namely Myanmar, The Philippines and Vietnam and finally the need for ASEAN to have an alternative source of investments, one that can be less aggressive and more accountable than the BRI. She made clearly the case for a major presence of both American and European investments, which can improve both the standard of living of the most impoverished zones and provide a more accountable stream of investments in  the region.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Thailand and China: a “no strings attached” relationship – With Christopher Ankersen</title>
			<itunes:title>Thailand and China: a “no strings attached” relationship – With Christopher Ankersen</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2019 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Thailand is an exception in the melting pot of So…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thailand is an exception in the melting pot of Southeast Asia. Differently from Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines, where minorities coexist quite peacefully, in Thailand’s deep South the Malay insurgency is carrying on low-fi warfare against Thai State.Like other countries in the region, Thailand has also its share of economic uncertainties: it risks to find itself in the middle-income trap. It is trying with the Thailand 4.0 program, but the reality is that the country needs foreign investments. America and Europe are well-positioned to provide investments, but Chinese money comes, as usual, with no strings attached. Westerners pretend to force Thailand to kowtow over human rights issues, while Chinese turns a blind eye. No doubt that Thai people prefer Beijing.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Thailand is an exception in the melting pot of Southeast Asia. Differently from Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines, where minorities coexist quite peacefully, in Thailand’s deep South the Malay insurgency is carrying on low-fi warfare against Thai State.Like other countries in the region, Thailand has also its share of economic uncertainties: it risks to find itself in the middle-income trap. It is trying with the Thailand 4.0 program, but the reality is that the country needs foreign investments. America and Europe are well-positioned to provide investments, but Chinese money comes, as usual, with no strings attached. Westerners pretend to force Thailand to kowtow over human rights issues, while Chinese turns a blind eye. No doubt that Thai people prefer Beijing.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA["Europe must invest in Malaysia and compete with China" - With Azmil Tayeb]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["Europe must invest in Malaysia and compete with China" - With Azmil Tayeb]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Sun, 04 Aug 2019 18:43:13 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Azmil Tayeb is a Senior Lecturer in the School of…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Azmil Tayeb is a Senior Lecturer in the School of Social Sciences at the Universiti Sains Malaysia, Penang. He has done extensive research on Islamic politics and social movements, particularly in Indonesia and Malaysia. His point is clear: Europe must engage more with Southeast Asia, and European countries have to compete with China in order to provide investments, especially in infrastructures.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Azmil Tayeb is a Senior Lecturer in the School of Social Sciences at the Universiti Sains Malaysia, Penang. He has done extensive research on Islamic politics and social movements, particularly in Indonesia and Malaysia. His point is clear: Europe must engage more with Southeast Asia, and European countries have to compete with China in order to provide investments, especially in infrastructures.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA["In Southeast Asia, politics still have great influence over business" - With Ei Sun Oh]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["In Southeast Asia, politics still have great influence over business" - With Ei Sun Oh]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jul 2019 13:13:53 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Ei Sun OH is a Senior Fellow at Singapore Institu…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Ei Sun OH is a Senior Fellow at Singapore Institute of International Affairs and former Senior Fellow at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies, Nanyang Technological University, Singapore, where he researches on the political economy of Asia Pacific, and Southeast Asia’s interactions with China. Previously, Ei Sun served as Political Secretary to the Prime Minister of Malaysia. Ei Sun Oh believes that in Southeast Asia, the success of a business operation still depends on the state-of-the-art of politics. The political risk connected with electoral cycles, for instance, needs to be taken into consideration for businessmen that want to thrive in a difficult environment.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Ei Sun OH is a Senior Fellow at Singapore Institute of International Affairs and former Senior Fellow at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies, Nanyang Technological University, Singapore, where he researches on the political economy of Asia Pacific, and Southeast Asia’s interactions with China. Previously, Ei Sun served as Political Secretary to the Prime Minister of Malaysia. Ei Sun Oh believes that in Southeast Asia, the success of a business operation still depends on the state-of-the-art of politics. The political risk connected with electoral cycles, for instance, needs to be taken into consideration for businessmen that want to thrive in a difficult environment.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA["Indonesian elections were nerve-racking, but still remarkably clean" - With Kevin O'Rourke]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["Indonesian elections were nerve-racking, but still remarkably clean" - With Kevin O'Rourke]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 15:42:47 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Kevin O’Rourke holds a degree in government from …</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Kevin O’Rourke holds a degree in government from Harvard University and he is the author of the book Reformasi: The Struggle for Power in Post-Soeharto Indonesia. He worked in Jakarta starting in 1994. According to O'Rourke, Widodo must focus his second term on boosting the economy. Nevertheless, Widodo's governance style of searching every time for the vastest political consensus had a negative tool on policymaking, which often became slow and ineffective.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Kevin O’Rourke holds a degree in government from Harvard University and he is the author of the book Reformasi: The Struggle for Power in Post-Soeharto Indonesia. He worked in Jakarta starting in 1994. According to O'Rourke, Widodo must focus his second term on boosting the economy. Nevertheless, Widodo's governance style of searching every time for the vastest political consensus had a negative tool on policymaking, which often became slow and ineffective.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA["In the long run, India will be far richer and more prosperous than China" - With Naman Shrivastava]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["In the long run, India will be far richer and more prosperous than China" - With Naman Shrivastava]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2019 20:22:23 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Naman Shrivastava has worked extensively as a str…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Naman Shrivastava has worked extensively as a strategy consultant to Government of India, and is currently the CEO and Co-Founder of Global Governance Initiative. He is also an emerging markets enterprise scholar at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy - one of the world's top-ranked international affairs school. His views are personal and do not reflect the position of Government of India. Naman is absolutely convinced that, in the long run, Indian inclusive institutions will work better than Chinese extractive ones. In addition, he spoke extensively about one of the most important problems India is currently facing: job creation for young people. One of President Modi's key political target is, in fact, to create millions of jobs for young unemployed Indians, and Naman believes that, despite the difficulties, he is delivering with the promise.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Naman Shrivastava has worked extensively as a strategy consultant to Government of India, and is currently the CEO and Co-Founder of Global Governance Initiative. He is also an emerging markets enterprise scholar at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy - one of the world's top-ranked international affairs school. His views are personal and do not reflect the position of Government of India. Naman is absolutely convinced that, in the long run, Indian inclusive institutions will work better than Chinese extractive ones. In addition, he spoke extensively about one of the most important problems India is currently facing: job creation for young people. One of President Modi's key political target is, in fact, to create millions of jobs for young unemployed Indians, and Naman believes that, despite the difficulties, he is delivering with the promise.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA["Congress Party will be soon back in government to replace BJP" - With Leni Jadhav]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["Congress Party will be soon back in government to replace BJP" - With Leni Jadhav]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2019 19:57:34 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>19:38</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Maheshmurti Leni S Jadhav is a 33-year old young …</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Maheshmurti Leni S Jadhav is a 33-year old young politician and criminal lawyer from India, belonging to the Congress Party. She is the National Coordinator of the All India Congress Committee's Research Department and she is former National General Secretary of the National Students Union of India.She believes that India has a great structural problem, job creation, and Modi and the BJP are not addressing properly that issue. That's the reason why she believes that the Congress Party, despite being perceived as a very weak opposition party, will be soon back in government.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Maheshmurti Leni S Jadhav is a 33-year old young politician and criminal lawyer from India, belonging to the Congress Party. She is the National Coordinator of the All India Congress Committee's Research Department and she is former National General Secretary of the National Students Union of India.She believes that India has a great structural problem, job creation, and Modi and the BJP are not addressing properly that issue. That's the reason why she believes that the Congress Party, despite being perceived as a very weak opposition party, will be soon back in government.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title>Besides better universities, India needs a better primary education - With Niranjan Marjani</title>
			<itunes:title>Besides better universities, India needs a better primary education - With Niranjan Marjani</itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2019 19:19:02 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>15:17</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Niranjan Marjani is an independent Indian journal…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Niranjan Marjani is an independent Indian journalist. He stresses the need for India to develop a better primary education, which will be the foundation for betterment of Indian society as a whole.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
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			<title><![CDATA["For India, going green will not affect economic growth" - With Saumya Varma]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["For India, going green will not affect economic growth" - With Saumya Varma]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2019 18:59:07 GMT</pubDate>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Saumya Varma is a leading researcher for the Cong…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Saumya Varma is a leading researcher for the Congress Party in India. According to Saumya, environmental conscience is not widespread in Indian population, and it is the role of the leadership to tackle the issue and lead the way for a green India. Moreover, Saumya believes that the government needs to intervene directly in the process of job creation, because the market forces will not be enough.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Saumya Varma is a leading researcher for the Congress Party in India. According to Saumya, environmental conscience is not widespread in Indian population, and it is the role of the leadership to tackle the issue and lead the way for a green India. Moreover, Saumya believes that the government needs to intervene directly in the process of job creation, because the market forces will not be enough.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA["ASEAN countries need 8 trillion-dollar investments in infrastructures" - With Vasuki Shastry]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["ASEAN countries need 8 trillion-dollar investments in infrastructures" - With Vasuki Shastry]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2019 15:33:28 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>16:50</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Vasuki Shastry is an associate fellow of the Asia…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Vasuki Shastry is an associate fellow of the Asia-Pacific programme and was most recently global head of public affairs and sustainability at Standard Chartered Bank. ASEAN countries need massive investments in infrastructure, and China is supplying them through the Belt and Road Initiative. Despite some political backlash in the area, Chinese dynamism is helping in spurring some positive unintentional consequences: other countries want to compete with China to provide ASEAN countries with capital and skills to build up connectivity in the region.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Vasuki Shastry is an associate fellow of the Asia-Pacific programme and was most recently global head of public affairs and sustainability at Standard Chartered Bank. ASEAN countries need massive investments in infrastructure, and China is supplying them through the Belt and Road Initiative. Despite some political backlash in the area, Chinese dynamism is helping in spurring some positive unintentional consequences: other countries want to compete with China to provide ASEAN countries with capital and skills to build up connectivity in the region.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA["ASEAN can't form a NATO-style military alliance " - With Malminderjit Singh]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["ASEAN can't form a NATO-style military alliance " - With Malminderjit Singh]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2019 15:03:09 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>11:39</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Malminderjit Singh is the Editorial Head at the I…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Malminderjit Singh is the Editorial Head at the Institute of South Asian Studies. ASEAN countries have secured deep economic ties between themselves, but the next step of a NATO-style military alliance seems really far away. However, it must be noted that there is a steady growth in defense spending in the ASEAN group, making clear that balance of power is still important, also in South East Asia.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Malminderjit Singh is the Editorial Head at the Institute of South Asian Studies. ASEAN countries have secured deep economic ties between themselves, but the next step of a NATO-style military alliance seems really far away. However, it must be noted that there is a steady growth in defense spending in the ASEAN group, making clear that balance of power is still important, also in South East Asia.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA["China on the defensive: ASEAN countries are deeply scrutinizing BRI investments" -With Kanti Bajpai]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["China on the defensive: ASEAN countries are deeply scrutinizing BRI investments" -With Kanti Bajpai]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:02:09 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>14:16</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Kanti Bajpai is the director of the Centre on Asi…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Kanti Bajpai is the director of the Centre on Asia and Globalisation and Wilmar Professor of Asian Studies at the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy. There is no doubt: China is investing massive amount of capitals in ASEAN countries. This doesn't mean that those countries are getting all enslaved by the so-called "debt trap". According to Kanti, stronger countries like Indonesia and Malaysia, or even Pakistan in South Asia, are starting to deeply scrutinize BRI investments, demonstrating that in this moment China is more in a defensive position rather than attacking.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Kanti Bajpai is the director of the Centre on Asia and Globalisation and Wilmar Professor of Asian Studies at the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy. There is no doubt: China is investing massive amount of capitals in ASEAN countries. This doesn't mean that those countries are getting all enslaved by the so-called "debt trap". According to Kanti, stronger countries like Indonesia and Malaysia, or even Pakistan in South Asia, are starting to deeply scrutinize BRI investments, demonstrating that in this moment China is more in a defensive position rather than attacking.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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			<title><![CDATA["ASEAN countries: better than China?" - With Shanti Shamdasani]]></title>
			<itunes:title><![CDATA["ASEAN countries: better than China?" - With Shanti Shamdasani]]></itunes:title>
			<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2019 15:53:59 GMT</pubDate>
			<itunes:duration>16:04</itunes:duration>
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			<itunes:subtitle>Shanti is a consultant based in Jakarta and her v…</itunes:subtitle>
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			<description><![CDATA[Shanti is a consultant based in Jakarta and her view is very simple and straightforward: in the future, investments from the west will flow abundantly to ASEAN countries instead of China. Moreover, ASEAN countries are applying a higher level of political scrutiny over Belt and Road investments. In the worst-case scenario, ASEAN countries are even stepping back from some BRI projects.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></description>
			<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Shanti is a consultant based in Jakarta and her view is very simple and straightforward: in the future, investments from the west will flow abundantly to ASEAN countries instead of China. Moreover, ASEAN countries are applying a higher level of political scrutiny over Belt and Road investments. In the worst-case scenario, ASEAN countries are even stepping back from some BRI projects.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>]]></itunes:summary>
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