Different with Steve Chalke and Jill Rowe

Great Expectations

Wed, 18 Mar 2026 06:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about great expectations. They chat through how we can get stuck in maintenance, creating dependency rather than challenging injustice and reaching for progress.

They think about how vital it is to not settle, but to keep pushing for the fullest of lives as we live into our God given potential, living at our peak, loving God and our neighbour as ourselves.

Inclusion is always about more than going beyond what is and keeping on, keeping on. We pray you find possibility for yourself and others in this conversation.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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With and within uncertainty

Wed, 04 Mar 2026 06:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about finding our way in uncertainty. How do they handle it? How do they find a way of living with and within, ambiguity?

Together, they talk about fears and wonderings and remember that listening to one another really matters. Holding on to those around us brings us strength and courage, especially because things don't always work out.

It's just how life goes sometimes. But the invitation of uncertainty is to lean into our individual and shared courage. And maybe, however small that might feel, hold on as we move through what feels untethered.

What a fantastic and tender conversation.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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People first. Systems second

Wed, 18 Feb 2026 06:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about what happens when the computer says no and when process becomes their priority at the expense of their relationships with one another.

Doing this can make us slow rather than helping us to be nimble, able to flex and, move forward to achieve vision and mission. So together they explore how vital it is that all process and regulation keeps the main thing.

The main thing the preciousness of every person and their thriving and being willing to buck the system. When this has been forgotten, this feels like a timely conversation, rediscovering our sacred belonging to one another.

It always matters. For this, we must be courageous.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Digging deeper into resilience

Wed, 04 Feb 2026 06:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about resilience. They uncover that resilience can be good and bad and can take many forms. So what ultimately matters are the values and beliefs that our resilience is rooted in.

Ultimately, they can't discuss resilience without talking about our motives that are driving us, they think through what our resilience will look like if it's founded on loving God and loving others as ourselves.

And in the desire to serve and to give, they recognise that this kind of resilience doesn't just happen, we build it over time through leaning into the struggle and complexity of life.

This was such an energising and joyous conversation.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Becoming a trusted person

Wed, 21 Jan 2026 06:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about how to become a person who is trusted by others. Trust takes a long time and it's all built on the foundation of good relationship.

They explore how trust is like money in the bank that we accrue and can spend. And most significantly, they recognise that becoming a trustworthy person means means being authentic, doing what we say we will do, being rooted and motivated by values centred on love and goodness and never self interest.

Trust is sacred and needs to be handled accordingly. The purpose of trust is to see goodness come in the world.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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It’s a New Year!

Wed, 07 Jan 2026 05:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about beginning a new year. Instead of resolutions, they think about setting goals, about what they will do and how they will be.

They explore how vital intention is and how they can enjoy the gift of each day so that they live life so well, with depth and faith and hope and love. So this day, how might they use it? How will they be intentional?

As we approach the new year together, let's embrace the teacher that disruption is helping us to grow in who we are and what we do so that we can together bring more love to the world.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Getting out of the thought-traps

Wed, 26 Nov 2025 06:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke all about thought traps, about getting stuck in a loop of thinking we just can't get out of. They talk about when we get caught in a survival mindset and how it triggers our anger, frustration and fear.

And they discuss how the best chance we have is to connect and take care of one another. Hope is not found in fight and division doesn't empower us. We need proximity and to create collaboration, learning to sit with one another and listen.

This is the way of compassion. It is the way of hope. Crossing the room to love our neighbours.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Refusing the shortcuts

Wed, 12 Nov 2025 06:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about why developing inner core strength and refusing to take shortcuts matters so much. They discuss steadiness, balance and resilience and how these come about through hard work and practise exercising the spiritual and emotional muscles needed to thrive.

It's tempting to take shortcuts, but stepping out of our comfort zone, we see that strength and learning is all formed through pain and screw ups, joy and success, suffering and challenge. These are all of life for all of us.

Our job is to embrace it all and we get to do this roller coaster life with one another. What a gift that is.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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The Importance of Rites of Passage

Wed, 29 Oct 2025 06:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about the importance of rites of passage, how marking moments helps us to navigate life and to thrive. We consider how the absence of such markers can leave us adrift, susceptible and without a sense of true north.

And we miss the beautiful invitation to an ongoing journey of growth. We see the value of developing practises and rituals that bring us together across groups and divides, holding us steady, and, as a result, able to build stronger communities where everyone is included.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Beauty from brokenness

Wed, 15 Oct 2025 05:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke all about how we can create beauty out of brokenness. Together, they explore the philosophy held within the art of kintsugi.

And they recognise that we can often live life pursuing perfection, desperate for a life without scars. And we can have an insatiable appetite for both being and looking perfect. Yet by changing our way of seeing and believing and having the courage and humility to learn through and from our scars and broken parts, we can be transformed, making us better. Not bitter.

This is a precious episode. We pray it helps you to keep on your journey of growth and goodness.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Honesty, Trust, and the Stockdale Paradox

Wed, 01 Oct 2025 05:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke all about the power of trust and the need for honesty. They begin, though, with love and discuss how this is the foundation to it all.

They chat about the importance of intent and motivation when honesty is at play and genuinely wanting the best for others. We owe it to people to be honest with them. Whether it's at work, home.

Marriage, relationships, friendships, honesty and trust really matter. They talk about the Stockdale Paradox and see that it is through being honest that we are able to become our better selves and grow trust, too.

We pray this episode is helpful to you.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Never stop learning

Wed, 17 Sep 2025 05:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke all about learning. We discuss how learning needs to be deep and goes far beyond just remembering facts. We all need to grow wisdom, too.

We talk about the richness of neurodiversity rather than neuroformity. And we see the wonder and necessity of the invitation to all of us to go deeper and deeper in our learning for the sake of both ourselves and the world around us.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Waging Peace

Wed, 03 Sep 2025 04:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about the importance of waging peace and not war. For that to happen, we all need to see the vital importance of really listening to others. We simply have to listen and we recognise that, in truth, we only win when we all win, we can learn to not let anger get hold of and grip us, and as the brilliant Desmond Tutu said, if we want peace, we have to talk to our enemies, not just our friends.

In fact, we are invited to love our enemies.

This episode feels so important for right now, we hope that you will join us in waging peace.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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The wonder of ambiguity

Wed, 16 Jul 2025 05:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke all about the wonder of ambiguity, starting from observing a Spanish Town Square in a power cut, all the way to how we can develop the ability to find our way in the dark when we aren't feeling sure at all.

So much of life is navigated in ambiguity. So together, we chat about how we can grow to not despise it, but welcome it and see it all as a creative invitation.

We realize once more, the anchor of vision and see the truth that we don't need to know everything to take the next step.

We just need to know enough and we also need enough foolishness to believe that we can do what needs to be done.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Beyond the Barricades - Part Two

Wed, 02 Jul 2025 05:00:00 GMT

In this second part of 'Beyond the Barricades', Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about standing with courage in the face of fear as we speak and stand up for justice, compassion, and inclusion.

Together, we explore how power can be so enticing for all of us. And we remind ourselves that we must speak out even when our voice is shaken, shaking, and even when we think we might lose it all.

Responding to the invitation to embrace fear as we seek to live love out loud. In the end, we see that courage is a muscle we can always strengthen. Acting justly, loving mercy and walking humbly.

This is the path we are invited to take, and this is how we will all find our voice.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Beyond the Barricades - Part One

Wed, 18 Jun 2025 05:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about not waiting for the cavalry, but instead realising we are the ones we've been waiting for.

We explore how change comes from a dedicated small band of people who stand up and work for a world they can see beyond the barricades. We think through why we believe everyone else is responsible rather than us, which is actually a huge deception.

And we recognise that we all have agency and there always exists the invitation to participate in creating change. We hope this episode gives you the courage to shift, move and pivot so that we can all, all move beyond the barricades together.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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The one about pressure and the crucible of life

Wed, 04 Jun 2025 05:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk all about distress, eustress and de-stress. This episode is all about pressure. We discuss how it shows up in our bodies, its physiological impact.

We think about what we can do when it feels like it is all becoming too much. We even talk about tears. We reflect on the story and power of wilderness and how the pressure of a wilderness can be an invitation that can mould and shape us into the very kind of people we long to be more compassionate, more present, more humble.

We pray that this episode helps you as you navigate pressure and the crucible that life can be.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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The one all about blame!

Wed, 21 May 2025 05:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk all about blame. We can all jump to blame so easily, and we find it hard to take responsibility when we've done something wrong and say sorry.

Blame is a shortcut. In this episode, we pay attention to the power of self reflection, self awareness, self compassion, and the decision of forgiveness. This was a super honest and, we hope, helpful conversation.

There's plenty of joy in this one too.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Adolescence. Love. T-I-M-E.

Wed, 07 May 2025 05:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke about our response to the TV series 'Adolescence'. We discuss how all young people spell love T-I-M-E.

It's the most precious commodity we can ever give to a child. Along with our presence, we see that understanding what is happening physiologically in a young person helps us to know more full fully what and how we need to be in their orbit.

And we see that being involved and engaged with them through our time and our presence builds a protective layer. It's not a magic formula, but it gives a much stronger foundation. From simple ideas to important insights.

This conversation was so rich. We pray it helps you as you navigate all the wonder and complexity of life together.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Oasis - The Big 40 #NOLO

Wed, 23 Apr 2025 05:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke about Oasis being 40 years old. It was so much fun looking back over those 40 years together. So many people, so much learning and so much joy. What we discover through all of it is the value of having purpose and meaning and the belief that your life counts and that the way of Jesus is summed up in loving others as we love ourselves so that no one is left out.

Celebrating people, supporting people, speaking up and speaking out. Compassion, inclusion, love. That is our task, our responsibility, and our joy at Oasis.

Here's to the next 40.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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We’ve forgotten we belong to each other (Why inclusion matters more than ever)

Wed, 09 Apr 2025 05:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke about the reality of inclusion. This conversation is a big one, and so timely.

We talk about the power of loving our enemies and how it's us who's transformed when we do that, when it is easy to blame and other others, when we explore the better way and what it looks like to live in the reality of truly belonging to each other.

We hope this helps you dive deeper and build inclusion.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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The Crazy of Overwhelm

Wed, 26 Mar 2025 06:00:00 GMT

There is a lot going on in life at the moment, both generally and in politics and globally. All of this can feel overwhelming and heavy. My name's Jill Rowe, and in this episode of the Different podcast, I talk with Steve Chalke about how we can not just make sense of things, but how we can also find our way through and be people who keep moving forward. We explore the ideas of perspective and choice and community and faith and opting always to do good. And we see how all these things can stabilise us.

We can use our agency and power to do the better thing, always.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Leadership is about the granular not the hype

Wed, 12 Mar 2025 06:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about how leadership is all about the granular, and not the hype. We chat through where our model for what great leadership comes from, and what it looks like in practice, and together we reflect on some of the trappings that those who find themselves carrying the responsibility of leadership might get caught up in things like power, privilege and the temptation of perks.

The reality of a Christ-centred approach to leadership is quite different. A revolution, in fact, a revolution that we believe the world really needs.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Life's too short to...

Wed, 26 Feb 2025 06:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke explore how life's just far too short for holding grudges. It's too short to miss precious moments, too short to only care about ourselves, and far too short to spend excessive amounts of time scrolling our phones.

We explore why we might do these things in the first place. Even just chatting about all this stuff gave us both the chance to reflect on our own choices and what little adjustments and changes we might make in our own lives.

It's always so helpful to reflect.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Being patient and the wisdom of the slow

Wed, 12 Feb 2025 06:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about another one of the Oasis 9 habits, this time being patient. From starting with a realisation, from being in a dentist's chair to understanding that life is not meant to be done continually at high speed, we explore how patience can be the teacher of wisdom.

The will help us to do life well. We see the great depth in the wisdom of slow. And we realise it is no wonder that St. Paul described that love is always patient.

This one was fun and deep all at the same time.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Being Honest - Entering the ZOUD

Wed, 29 Jan 2025 05:00:42 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk all about being honest. They talk about the ZOUD, the zone of uncomfortable discussion, and we try to understand why we sometimes dance around being honest and the overwhelming feeling of fearing disconnection from others if we choose honesty as our path.

And in a world where honesty can seem in short supply, we can't help but notice how dishonesty erodes trust. This topic matters. We hope this episode begins a conversation that you will feel able to keep going with your people too.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Being considerate – part of the greatest revolution

Wed, 15 Jan 2025 06:00:12 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke about what it means to be considerate. Strangely, it's a word that we don't hear or think about that often. But through their chat, we see that to consider is perhaps one of the most powerful ways to transform our way of behaving in the world.

To consider the other, to pay attention to, to have our eyes on the needs of others. It really does seem that it is the simple things that are the source of the greatest revolution, that is, to love others as ourselves.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Finding the joy

Wed, 01 Jan 2025 06:00:07 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about finding the joy, sharing the words of a friend who's described joy as basic to us as oxygen.

They discuss where we find joy and the way we cultivate being joyful in life. They seek to understand the difference it can make to us personally and also in our relationships.

And they go right back to basics when we recognise that joy exists in the most unexpected moments and places.

Gratitude is the seedbed for joy.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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A Different kind of Christmas

Wed, 18 Dec 2024 06:00:44 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke go big on Christmas.

From their favourite Christmas movies to the most random of gifts they've given, to the power of the Christmas story, as they explore it as the greatest revolution the world has ever seen, and ever been invited to participate in.

They see it as the ultimate peace plan where love wins.

There was a whole load of joy and laughter in this episode, as well as some unexpected discoveries.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Rejection - a big topic with big emotions

Wed, 04 Dec 2024 06:00:56 GMT

My name is Jill Rowe, and in this episode of the Different podcast, I talk with Steve Chalke all about rejection. This is a significant topic that evokes profound emotions. Together, we explore the difference it makes when we acknowledge the way rejection can make us feel, and we consider how we can find a way through it. We discuss discovering both a new way of seeing and a greater expansiveness to life.

This was an honest and open chat, and one that we both hope brings you some comfort, and perhaps a sense of renewal.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Three more things we would tell our younger selves

Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:09:06 GMT

My name is Jill Rowe, and in this episode of the Different podcast, I chat with Steve Chalke about three more things we wish we could tell our younger selves. From winning looking like you're losing, to closing both eyes and seeing with the other one. This episode was so much fun to make; we hope and pray that, amongst our conversation, you are able to find a little bit of treasure that will help you.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Being self-controlled - it’s all about intention

Wed, 06 Nov 2024 06:00:36 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about being self controlled, beginning with reminiscing about an old school assembly.

This is an honest conversation and one that takes us into so many areas of life.

We discover that being self controlled isn't solely about not doing certain things. It's also about choosing and being intentional, about living in a certain direction and making certain choices, knowing always that this is all a tender invitation, love always inviting us forward.

We hope this episode brings you some clarity and some life. It did for us.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Being Compassionate - the survival of the friendliest

Wed, 23 Oct 2024 05:00:37 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about being compassionate. From realising that compassion means to suffer with, we explore how it is the action that can save us and transform us both individually and as a global family. We see that ultimately, life isn't about the survival of the fittest, but the survival of the friendliest.

From neuroscience to geopolitics, from our health and wellbeing, to the necessity of proximity and cycles of compassion, it becomes clear through our chat that being compassionate is something we most definitely need, and something we must definitely be.

We pray this conversation helps.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Being Humble - It’s not what you think!

Wed, 09 Oct 2024 05:00:34 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about being humble, which is one of the Oasis 9 Habits. Through our conversation, we recognise that being humble is so very different to what people often think. It is so far from being a doormat for others to walk over. We explore how it begins with curiosity and growing self awareness, and it results in a depth of peace and contentment and being able to live life with transformed perspective and relationships. This conversation was hopeful and tender and honest. We hope it is helpful for you.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Being Hopeful - Anger, Elders and holding on to hope

Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:00:46 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke chat about one of the Oasis 9 Habits: being hopeful. From starting with the beauty of white hair through to the wisdom of St Augustine of Hippo, from recognising the world of difference between wishful thinking and the fierce reality of hope, we talk about how hope sweats as we take the steps needed to bring about the better future we imagine. We chat about the importance of elders of hope—those who have gone before and know the way. This was such a hope-fuelling conversation. We pray you find it so, too.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Something I wish I’d known as a kid (Part 1)

Wed, 04 Sep 2024 08:39:56 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke chat about some things they wish they'd known when they were younger. What is it that they would most want to say to their younger selves? What are the bits of wisdom they think might have helped them? As they chatted, they reflected on the kinds of things others have said to them, the choices they made, and how those choices have shaped how they show up in the world today. And it got us wondering as well: what might you say to your younger self if you could? This episode is part one. There's more to come.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Compression socks and the power of asking for help

Wed, 31 Jul 2024 04:00:56 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about why we sometimes struggle to ask for help, opting instead to deflect and blame rather than being vulnerable and asking for the help and support we need. From compression socks to the importance of boundaries and knowing ourselves so that we can be honest in our interactions and expectations, this conversation was full of lessons learned, simple stuff discovered in the mess of life, and the realisation that asking for help is liberating and life-bringing for us and those around us. Interdependence truly is a virtue, and perhaps asking for help is actually a sacred act.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Wisdom and purpose

Wed, 17 Jul 2024 05:00:05 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast Steve Chalk and Jill Rowe discuss the interplay between purpose and vision in personal and professional contexts. They argue that purpose goes beyond motivation and is rooted in a deeper sense of meaning and fulfilment, while vision provides direction for achieving goals. They emphasise the importance of recognising how each person contributes to a shared vision and striving to be 'wisdom rich' in work and relationships.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Thin Places

Wed, 03 Jul 2024 05:00:29 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke discuss the concept of 'thin places,' where the divide between heaven and earth disappears, offering a chance to encounter the divine in everyday life.

They talk about how these thin places give us respite and perspective, and through our conversation, we come to see that each day, place and person holds the possibility where we can encounter and notice the divine if we see and understand differently, everywhere is holy ground, and that changes everything we even ask what all this has got to do with social policy. We hope you enjoy this conversation.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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A Revolution in the Justice System

Wed, 19 Jun 2024 05:00:47 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about Oasis Restore, the first ever secure school in this country.

Built on a trauma-informed therapeutic model, we chat about believing that relentless love underpins everything, and recognise that this approach should always be the approach.

So how do we make relentless love our strategy when others believe that love is easy and soft? Together, we explore and unpack how relentless love is, in fact, the hardest way and the best way, helping to create connection, belonging, and safety.

This is a revolution in the justice system, and this conversation explains why.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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On shame and guilt

Wed, 22 May 2024 03:00:21 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, I talk with Steve Chalke about shame and guilt. We chat about an experience at an AA meeting, and what a revelation it was of honesty and hope. We explore how shame can cause us to feel unworthy and even paralyse us. Guilt, on the other hand, we see can motivate and move us towards transformation, and making amends. And together we explore more about believing how we are all loved and lovable. And we wonder how different things might be if we believed we are actually, beloved by God. We recognise that we all need champions who affirm that this belovedness is true. So we pray that as you listen, this sense of being beloved finds a home in you.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Why lament really matters

Wed, 08 May 2024 03:00:46 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Steve Chalke and I talk about why lament really matters, especially when we are surrounded on every side by seeming chaos. and the 24 hour news cycle. We chat about how to find our way when things seem out of control. And we think about discovering a healthy practice of lemon, through which we can help and support one another. As we go through disruption. We realise that lament is a sacred and holy act. So instead of despising it, see that we can grow through it and find the courage we need to help create a better and more generous world. It felt like this conversation really mattered.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Choosing to turn and face, not run and hide

Wed, 24 Apr 2024 04:00:00 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast, Steve Chalke and I talk about the human instinct to keep our distance from what is hard or challenging or doesn’t make sense. Via talk of playing hockey, having asthma, and wondering how God would figure in a game of Top Trumps, we chat about the way some beliefs leave us unable to manage the joy and pain of life and actually cause us harm rather than helping us. And we think through where God might be in all of this. This was a hope-filled, honest and enlightening conversation – we trust you will find it helpful and hopeful too.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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From Buber to Elmo – learning to love ourselves and others

Wed, 07 Feb 2024 12:11:05 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast Steve Chalke and I explore how are struggle to like and love others is connected to our struggle to like and love ourselves. We talk about the work of the philosopher, Martin Buber, and reflect on a tweet from Elmo of Sesame Street fame. We explore the impact that knowing we are loved by others can have on what we believe about ourselves. And, reflecting on the words of Anthony de Mello, we consider the invitation to behold the one beholding us and smiling and try and understand how we can be a conduit for the divine in our relationships with others and how this can change everything.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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VUCA Part Two

Wed, 29 Nov 2023 05:00:31 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast Steve Chalke and I continue our conversation about how we can bring an end to the descending spiral of violence through the building of diverse, inclusive community wherever we are, recognising our absolute need as human beings to belong to and with others. It's built into our DNA and it’s what it means to be fully human and flourishing. So, - it’s interdependence not independence. Belonging not separation. Inclusion and not exclusion. Our prayer is that this conversation brings you hope and the belief that a different kind of world really is possible.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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VUCA Part One

Wed, 15 Nov 2023 10:17:24 GMT

In this episode of the Different podcast Steve Chalke and I explore how all behaviour is communication. We dive into the news, trying to make sense of what is happening now by seeing how trauma impacts individuals and whole people groups. We recognise how trauma that we don’t deal with deals with us. And we try to work out how we can surface trauma, talking and listening to the pain on both sides of the table and so bring peace into the world, all with a holy imagination. This was part one of an important conversation. It’s a conversation we all need to keep having. We hope and pray you find it helpful.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Forgiveness the Gateway to Freedom

Fri, 03 Nov 2023 12:07:36 GMT

I'm Jill Rowe, and in this episode of the different podcast, Steve Chalke and I chat about forgiveness and grudges. We talk openly and honestly about times in our own lives when forgiveness has been something we have made our way to.

Having realised that unforgiveness was toxic, we describe how forgiveness is in fact a gateway to freedom and come to see that Jesus was inviting us to discover our own healing. When we forgive our enemies, we chat about how to live into the future rather than using the past as our reference point. This discussion was a great reminder of why forgiveness is such a profoundly powerful force for good and for transformation. May it bring goodness and hope to you.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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A Manifesto for Hope

Wed, 18 Oct 2023 04:00:46 GMT

In this episode of the different podcast, I talk with Steve Chalke about his new book, A Manifesto for Hope. We discuss how the systems that are meant to help people are failing. We look all the way back to the Beveridge Report, a revolution that laid out how to create social equality through partnership between government, the voluntary sector and local communities. Right at its core, Steve makes plain what needs to happen next, a new form of partnership where decisions are made as close to the ground as possible and describes how transcendence, spirituality and community must be held at the core of a new manifesto. This was an incredibly rich and profound conversation, and the book is a must read for sure.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Shopping trolleys, ethics and finding a meaning making story

Wed, 27 Sep 2023 05:00:01 GMT

This one begins with cashew nuts, e-bikes, and shopping trolleys and we soon find ourselves talking about ethics – and the granular decisions we make day in, day out. We reflect on the gap we notice and dissonance we feel when who we want to be and the us that shows up sometimes feel too far apart. We celebrate how we can lean in and take note of our internal correcting mechanism we have, which may feel like an ache inviting us to bring our better and best selves to every situation. And we chat about finding a meaning making story, a reference point that guides us, our decisions and our behaviours and helps us become the kind of person we are truly seeking to be. The nature and identity of that story is truly fascinating, far reaching and well worth thinking through. Enjoy the ride of this one.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Courage doesn’t always roar

Wed, 13 Sep 2023 05:00:16 GMT

"My name is Jill Rowe and in this episode Steve Chalke and I talk about the life lessons we can pick up from learning to swim. We unpack the daring involved in making bold statements and big moves but how such daring also shows up in the small things too. We think about the wonder of courage and also its cost, reflecting on how it always moves us and the story forward. We consider how failure is the friend of courage, not its enemy, and how such courage breathes life into us and our relationships as well as our sense of life purpose. This one was fun. We hope you like it."

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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It was never meant to be a religion…

Wed, 30 Aug 2023 05:00:36 GMT

I’m Jill Rowe and in this episode Steve Chalke and I dive into some of the misunderstandings about God and what those misunderstandings lead to. We talk about God not being angry and Jesus not being a Christian. We uncover that Jesus invited people to a way of life and a way of love. We hear some wisdom from a Chief Rabbi and dare to imagine what can happen if we flipped our thinking on its head. And we lean into the ancient wisdom that whispers to us the words – this is the way, walk in it. We hope you can hear that whisper too.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Significant Others

Wed, 16 Aug 2023 06:02:27 GMT

I’m Jill Rowe and in this episode of the Different podcast, Steve Chalke and I talk about pivotal moments and pivotal people. We reflect on those relationships and people who have shaped us and even altered the trajectory of our lives. We talk about tributes at funerals and the legacy we can create. And we discuss how interdependence is vital for all of us to flourish, rooted in glorious diversity and not sameness, and we explore how we can walk alongside others – intentionally - knowing that as we do this we are changed and transformed too. We hope you enjoy this episode.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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You can’t hurt to heal!

Wed, 02 Aug 2023 08:34:04 GMT

I’m Jill Rowe and in this episode Steve Chalke and I share a latte and get to grips with talking about the justice system. We discuss the revolution which is Oasis Restore – a secure school enabling young people to live their best lives, through education well-being & hope. We care for children aged 12-18 who are on remand and sentenced to custody by the courts. We talk about the power of restoration and how hurting to heal never ever works and consider instead the power of asking those who have experienced trauma ‘what happened to them’ rather than jumping to what is wrong with you. And in the end the only thing that will bring restoration to any of us is relentless love. We hope this episode brings you a fresh glimpse of the power of restoration.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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How to prioritise your wellbeing

Wed, 19 Jul 2023 00:00:10 GMT

In this episode Jill Rowe and David Bailey talk about the life changing things that can be learnt from a massage. They discuss how we can make wellbeing a part of the everyday, rather than a mountain we have to climb. They also ask how at times we need to make the call to prioritise our wellbeing, rather than putting it on the line.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Taking the pistos (misunderstood Paul) - Part 2

Wed, 05 Jul 2023 00:00:04 GMT

In part two of this conversation, Steve Chalke continues his conversation with David Bailey about his book ‘The Lost Message of Paul’. They continue to wrestle with some the big questions that arise from St. Paul’s words and writings and help us to understand how we can learn from him about inclusion and being followers of the way of Jesus. This episode was recorded back in 2019.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Taking the pistos (misunderstood Paul) - Part 1

Wed, 21 Jun 2023 00:00:10 GMT

This is the first of a special two-parter where Steve Chalke chats about his book ‘The Lost Message of Paul’ with David Bailey. They get serious with some big questions about what it was that St. Paul had to say. They discuss how his words and writings have been interpreted and understood and the impact they have had on those who often find themselves left standing alone at the margins. This episode was recorded back in 2019.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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How shame shapes us and the gift of second chances

Wed, 07 Jun 2023 00:00:40 GMT

In this episode Jill Rowe and David Bailey talk about the trials of a driving test and how shame can shape us. All of us mess up and fail - so why do we struggle so much to be honest? Why does failure have such a grip on us, why are we ashamed of it and why does it affect us so badly? We may be tempted to push all these moments away, but by being honest we find a way forward that is liberating as we discover the gift of second chances.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Dark nights of the soul (doubt)

Wed, 24 May 2023 00:00:50 GMT

In this episode Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about why we all long for certainty only to discover that uncertainty and the ground shifting is where the answers are found. What might we do when we experience a dark night of the soul and how we can make sense of some of the tough stuff that happens to us all. Doubt and the importance of asking questions are at the heart of this thought-provoking - and hopefully helpful - conversation.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Grace upon grace upon grace

Wed, 10 May 2023 00:00:11 GMT

In this episode Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about anger, beauty and love and how we might understand what is going on in the news cycle. We then jump right into chatting about disgrace and those who had a cheeky smoke between the sermon and communion and how grace won the day. Grace upon grace upon grace.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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The Rabbi and the dust

Wed, 26 Apr 2023 06:00:20 GMT

In this episode Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke discuss the way of the rabbi and the power of dust; how discomfort is integral to our growth and reaching the point of knowing we are part of something bigger than just us, with our lives becoming a line in an unfolding story.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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Who are you and who are you becoming?

Wed, 12 Apr 2023 09:44:33 GMT

In this first episode of our new podcast, Jill Rowe talks to Steve Chalke about his experience of standing in the bike sheds as a kid and being told the facts of life. Jill also shares the truth about the tragic death of a fish.

Through these and other stories, we discover what our contribution to the world can be, leaning into the power and wonder of defining moments. And at the same time, exploring how we might live intentionally and on purpose, experiencing life as a gift.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

‘Different’ Podcast Trailer

Mon, 20 Mar 2023 15:13:27 GMT

We’d like to introduce you to a new podcast. It’s called Different. But why different?

You know how when you’re wearing sunglasses it puts a tint on everything? Or if you wear glasses you see some things in focus and others out of focus?

Well, we all have lenses on the inside of our head too. And they tint, colour and shape everything we see, think and understand.

So, on this podcast Steve Chalke and Jill Rowe are going to dive headlong into just that as they discover a new ‘meaning making’ story and embrace a fresh way of thinking about life, the universe and everything in-between.

They will talk about getting to a place where we see our lives as part of something bigger than our day-to-day experience - becoming a part of an unfolding story. Finding joy in ordinary moments, facing failure and struggle and discovering liberation and purpose.

They’ll also discuss experiencing life as a gift and learning how to live on purpose. They’ll be peering into dark nights of the soul and finding hope. And simply learning how we are here to walk each home.

We hope you enjoy these conversations – discovering a new story and embracing new thinking.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.