60 acast.com Find The Outside https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast en leadership, systems change, equity ,crossroads A podcast about systems change, equity and leadership A lively, off-the-cuff conversation hosted by Tuesday Rivera and Tim Merry on large-scale systems change and equity. Together, Tim and Tuesday are THE OUTSIDE - systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


In this podcast, we’ll share our greatest light-bulb moments as we advance our own understanding of this work. We’re doing it live, and inviting you in. Welcome! As Tim says in the first episode: reflection is too important to leave to chance. These conversations give us (and you!) a chance to slow down, catch our breath, and see our space and our work more clearly.

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]]> A lively, off-the-cuff conversation hosted by Tuesday Rivera and Tim Merry on large-scale systems change and equity. Together, Tim and Tuesday are THE OUTSIDE - systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


In this podcast, we’ll share our greatest light-bulb moments as we advance our own understanding of this work. We’re doing it live, and inviting you in. Welcome! As Tim says in the first episode: reflection is too important to leave to chance. These conversations give us (and you!) a chance to slow down, catch our breath, and see our space and our work more clearly.

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]]> true info+5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8@mg-eu.acast.com 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 find-the-outside episodic https://assets.pippa.io/shows/5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8/1663849834096-a7e6c022945a7f3838dbdef4805889d6.jpeg https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast Find The Outside 8.12: Sh*t’s Weird - Clarity, Doubt, and Doing the Next Right Thing 8.12: Sh*t’s Weird - Clarity, Doubt, and Doing the Next Right Thing Tue, 07 Apr 2026 09:00:00 GMT 43:50 69ce9378f44b357ce928bcaf false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 69ce9378f44b357ce928bcaf 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 812-shts-weird-clarity-doubt-and-doing-the-next-right-thing full 8 12 In a world that feels increasingly unpredictable, how do we know what’s ours to do?


In this episode, Tim and Tues reflect on recent conversations with Zaid Hassan and Sommer Sibilly-Brown - two leaders taking bold, values-driven action in complex times. Together, they explore the tension between clarity and doubt, the limits of strategy in a rapidly changing world, and why action - not perfection - is what moves things forward.

From climate anxiety to leadership fatigue, this conversation doesn’t shy away from the weight of the moment. But it also offers something grounding: a reminder that we don’t need all the answers to begin. Sometimes, it’s about trusting what’s clear, noticing what’s habitual, and doing the next right thing in front of us.


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]]> In a world that feels increasingly unpredictable, how do we know what’s ours to do?


In this episode, Tim and Tues reflect on recent conversations with Zaid Hassan and Sommer Sibilly-Brown - two leaders taking bold, values-driven action in complex times. Together, they explore the tension between clarity and doubt, the limits of strategy in a rapidly changing world, and why action - not perfection - is what moves things forward.

From climate anxiety to leadership fatigue, this conversation doesn’t shy away from the weight of the moment. But it also offers something grounding: a reminder that we don’t need all the answers to begin. Sometimes, it’s about trusting what’s clear, noticing what’s habitual, and doing the next right thing in front of us.


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]]> 8.11: Outside Conversations with Daniela Papi-Thornton - Why Systems Work Needs the Sacred 8.11: Outside Conversations with Daniela Papi-Thornton - Why Systems Work Needs the Sacred Tue, 24 Mar 2026 09:00:00 GMT 52:47 69bbe3ea71ad66fd751252b9 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 69bbe3ea71ad66fd751252b9 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 811-outside-conversations-with-daniela-papi-thornton full 8 11 In this thought-provoking cross-post conversation, Tuesday sits down with Daniela Papi-Thornton to explore what happens when systems change, leadership, and the sacred feminine collide. Together, they question traditional leadership models that privilege logic over intuition and control over connection - and examine why personal transformation is inseparable from the systemic change our world is calling for. Drawing on her work in education and social innovation, Daniela invites listeners to rethink leadership, reconnect with inner wisdom, and remember that meaningful change starts from within.


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Practices that Daniela is leaving you with:

  1. Find a place (hallway, walk between your house and car) and allow that to become your alignment space. Every time you walk that space, allow yourself to realign.
  2. Ask for help and trust that it is there.

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]]> In this thought-provoking cross-post conversation, Tuesday sits down with Daniela Papi-Thornton to explore what happens when systems change, leadership, and the sacred feminine collide. Together, they question traditional leadership models that privilege logic over intuition and control over connection - and examine why personal transformation is inseparable from the systemic change our world is calling for. Drawing on her work in education and social innovation, Daniela invites listeners to rethink leadership, reconnect with inner wisdom, and remember that meaningful change starts from within.


Resources:




Practices that Daniela is leaving you with:

  1. Find a place (hallway, walk between your house and car) and allow that to become your alignment space. Every time you walk that space, allow yourself to realign.
  2. Ask for help and trust that it is there.

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]]> 8.10: Outside Conversations with Sommer Sibilly-Brown - Angry Waters and New Worlds 8.10: Outside Conversations with Sommer Sibilly-Brown - Angry Waters and New Worlds Tue, 10 Mar 2026 09:00:00 GMT 1:01:25 69ae9eef0722bbb60bc05e17 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 69ae9eef0722bbb60bc05e17 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 810-outside-conversations-sommer-sibilly-brown-angry-waters full 8 10 What does it mean to stay grounded in a time of global uncertainty?


In this conversation, Tim and Tuesday sit down with Sommer Sibilly-Brown of the Virgin Islands Good Food Coalition to explore community, regulation, anger, responsibility, and the work of building the world we want to live in.


From food sovereignty in the Caribbean to the importance of our “root systems,” this episode is a powerful reflection on what it takes to stay human - and hopeful - when systems around us are shifting. Listen now.



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]]> What does it mean to stay grounded in a time of global uncertainty?


In this conversation, Tim and Tuesday sit down with Sommer Sibilly-Brown of the Virgin Islands Good Food Coalition to explore community, regulation, anger, responsibility, and the work of building the world we want to live in.


From food sovereignty in the Caribbean to the importance of our “root systems,” this episode is a powerful reflection on what it takes to stay human - and hopeful - when systems around us are shifting. Listen now.



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]]> 8.09: Outside Conversations with Zaid Hassan - How to Evolve (and How Not To) 8.09: Outside Conversations with Zaid Hassan - How to Evolve (and How Not To) Tue, 24 Feb 2026 13:13:26 GMT 50:11 699da3f6483a12159206a0d7 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 699da3f6483a12159206a0d7 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 809-outside-conversations-with-zaid-hassan-how-to-evolve full 8 9 What does it really mean to evolve — as individuals, communities, and societies?


In this thoughtful and timely conversation, Tim reconnects with longtime collaborator and systems thinker Zaid Hassan to explore his new book, How to Evolve and How Not To.


Drawing on 25 years of work tackling complex global challenges - from climate negotiations inside the UN COP process to launching a decentralized global climate initiative during COVID - Zaid reflects on why so many change efforts fail and what real practice actually looks like.


Together, Tim and Zaid explore the courage it takes to see reality clearly, the difference between technical fixes and adaptive change, and why agency matters more than ever in a world that can feel overwhelming. At its heart, this episode is about culture as a collection of choices - and what happens when we begin to understand the evolutionary consequences of the decisions we make every day.


Zaid will be on a global book tour this fall, including Halifax, Nova Scotia in October. Woo. Woo.


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]]> What does it really mean to evolve — as individuals, communities, and societies?


In this thoughtful and timely conversation, Tim reconnects with longtime collaborator and systems thinker Zaid Hassan to explore his new book, How to Evolve and How Not To.


Drawing on 25 years of work tackling complex global challenges - from climate negotiations inside the UN COP process to launching a decentralized global climate initiative during COVID - Zaid reflects on why so many change efforts fail and what real practice actually looks like.


Together, Tim and Zaid explore the courage it takes to see reality clearly, the difference between technical fixes and adaptive change, and why agency matters more than ever in a world that can feel overwhelming. At its heart, this episode is about culture as a collection of choices - and what happens when we begin to understand the evolutionary consequences of the decisions we make every day.


Zaid will be on a global book tour this fall, including Halifax, Nova Scotia in October. Woo. Woo.


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]]> 8.08: This Reality, That Reality, and the One We Choose to Live In 8.08: This Reality, That Reality, and the One We Choose to Live In Tue, 10 Feb 2026 10:00:00 GMT 38:40 698a0028f6349d3c6e181c1f false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 698a0028f6349d3c6e181c1f 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 808-this-reality-that-reality-and-the-one-we-choose-to-live full 8 8 On today’s episode, Tim and Tuesday reflect on two recent conversations with Meg Buzzi and Chris Keevil and follow the threads that emerged long after the recording stopped. What unfolds is a wide-ranging, deeply human dialogue about courage, leadership, imagination, and how we decide what really matters in turbulent times.


They explore the tension between reflection and action, the false choice between staying informed and staying well, and what it means to make a “true move” when certainty is impossible. Along the way, they consider the role of escapism, joy, embodiment, and imagination - not as avoidance, but as essential capacities for resilience, empathy, and meaningful action.


This episode is an invitation to question whose reality we are centering, to resist being hijacked by fear or outrage, and to remember that tending to what gives life and meaning is not separate from changing the world - it’s foundational to it.


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]]> On today’s episode, Tim and Tuesday reflect on two recent conversations with Meg Buzzi and Chris Keevil and follow the threads that emerged long after the recording stopped. What unfolds is a wide-ranging, deeply human dialogue about courage, leadership, imagination, and how we decide what really matters in turbulent times.


They explore the tension between reflection and action, the false choice between staying informed and staying well, and what it means to make a “true move” when certainty is impossible. Along the way, they consider the role of escapism, joy, embodiment, and imagination - not as avoidance, but as essential capacities for resilience, empathy, and meaningful action.


This episode is an invitation to question whose reality we are centering, to resist being hijacked by fear or outrage, and to remember that tending to what gives life and meaning is not separate from changing the world - it’s foundational to it.


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]]> <![CDATA[8.07: Outside Conversations withMeg Buzzi - Goosebumps & Wakefulness: Collective Power in Uncertain Times]]> Tue, 27 Jan 2026 18:24:49 GMT 57:20 697902f1a40f59499eb40b04 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 697902f1a40f59499eb40b04 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 807-outside-conversations-with-meg-buzzi-collectivepower full 8 7 What gives you goosebumps when the world feels uncertain?


On today’s episode, Tuesday and Tim welcome back Meg Buzzi for a wide-ranging conversation about wakefulness, collective power, and staying engaged in times of rapid change.


From large volunteer-run movements to housing co-ops and political organizing, the conversation explores how participation, urgency, and agency come together at scale.

The trio reflects on moments that spark goosebumps: communities turning toward one another, joy as a form of resistance, and collective imagination as a way to rehearse more just futures. Along the way, they touch on belonging to land, diaspora, leadership, and why enthusiasm and presence may be some of the most powerful forces we have right now.


This episode is an invitation to notice what makes you feel alive - and to trust that those moments matter.


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]]> What gives you goosebumps when the world feels uncertain?


On today’s episode, Tuesday and Tim welcome back Meg Buzzi for a wide-ranging conversation about wakefulness, collective power, and staying engaged in times of rapid change.


From large volunteer-run movements to housing co-ops and political organizing, the conversation explores how participation, urgency, and agency come together at scale.

The trio reflects on moments that spark goosebumps: communities turning toward one another, joy as a form of resistance, and collective imagination as a way to rehearse more just futures. Along the way, they touch on belonging to land, diaspora, leadership, and why enthusiasm and presence may be some of the most powerful forces we have right now.


This episode is an invitation to notice what makes you feel alive - and to trust that those moments matter.


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]]> 8.06: Outside Conversations with Chris Keevil - The Role of Adventure in Personal Growth 8.06: Outside Conversations with Chris Keevil - The Role of Adventure in Personal Growth Tue, 13 Jan 2026 10:00:00 GMT 53:49 695bbe5e1f2bde1e9beb4d78 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 695bbe5e1f2bde1e9beb4d78 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 806-outside-conversations-with-chris-keevil full 8 6

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]]> <![CDATA[8.05: Masculinity, Meaning, and the Mess We're In]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2025 10:00:00 GMT 36:33 692d8ef7e25b87d6bd625f67 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 692d8ef7e25b87d6bd625f67 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 805-masculinity-meaning-and-the-mess-were-in full 8 5 In this episode, Tim and Tuesday dig into masculinity, leadership, and the cultural fallout of bullying and toxic masculine norms. They unpack why authoritarian leadership models are gaining traction, how fear and division shape today’s politics, and why our individual choices in community engagement matter more than ever.


The conversation moves through political discontent, the citizen–state relationship, and what people look for in leaders during times of crisis. Tim and Tuesday also examine the rise of the Manosphere, the search for purpose and belonging among young men, and how those needs can fuel harmful identities.


They close with lessons from history and the power of reconnecting with ancestral stories as a guide through modern challenges.


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]]> In this episode, Tim and Tuesday dig into masculinity, leadership, and the cultural fallout of bullying and toxic masculine norms. They unpack why authoritarian leadership models are gaining traction, how fear and division shape today’s politics, and why our individual choices in community engagement matter more than ever.


The conversation moves through political discontent, the citizen–state relationship, and what people look for in leaders during times of crisis. Tim and Tuesday also examine the rise of the Manosphere, the search for purpose and belonging among young men, and how those needs can fuel harmful identities.


They close with lessons from history and the power of reconnecting with ancestral stories as a guide through modern challenges.


Resources:

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]]> 8.04: From Collapse to Creation - Rethinking How We Build Community 8.04: From Collapse to Creation - Rethinking How We Build Community Tue, 18 Nov 2025 10:00:00 GMT 37:09 691bba547b9e972a6bde0d56 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 691bba547b9e972a6bde0d56 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 804-from-collapse-to-creation-rethinking-how-we-build-commun full 8 4 On today’s episode, Tuesday and Tim crack open the powerful themes of dissolution and reinvention - and what they mean for the future of our communities. From environmental protection to collaborative care, they explore why some systems need to be allowed to fade out so that fresh, community-driven alternatives can rise. It’s a lively, thought-provoking conversation about clearing space for what’s next and building structures that actually work. Tune in for an inspiring dive into renewal, resilience, and the courage to start again.


Resources


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]]> On today’s episode, Tuesday and Tim crack open the powerful themes of dissolution and reinvention - and what they mean for the future of our communities. From environmental protection to collaborative care, they explore why some systems need to be allowed to fade out so that fresh, community-driven alternatives can rise. It’s a lively, thought-provoking conversation about clearing space for what’s next and building structures that actually work. Tune in for an inspiring dive into renewal, resilience, and the courage to start again.


Resources


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]]> 8.03: Outside Conversations with Dennis Adams - On Finding Joy in the Journey 8.03: Outside Conversations with Dennis Adams - On Finding Joy in the Journey Tue, 04 Nov 2025 10:00:00 GMT 51:25 6904e011cce74301994db8a6 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6904e011cce74301994db8a6 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 803-outside-conversations-with-dennis-adams-on-finding-joy-i full 8 3 Get ready for an inspiring and heartfelt conversation with Dennis Adams, as he opens up about what it really means to live fully and age gracefully! Dennis dives into the power of surrounding yourself with the right people, finding joy in everyday moments, and staying true to who you are. From embracing authenticity and building genuine connections to facing your fears with courage, this episode is packed with wisdom and warmth. Tune in for a refreshing reminder that living with purpose isn’t about perfection — it’s about growth, gratitude, and the people who lift us up along the way.


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]]> Get ready for an inspiring and heartfelt conversation with Dennis Adams, as he opens up about what it really means to live fully and age gracefully! Dennis dives into the power of surrounding yourself with the right people, finding joy in everyday moments, and staying true to who you are. From embracing authenticity and building genuine connections to facing your fears with courage, this episode is packed with wisdom and warmth. Tune in for a refreshing reminder that living with purpose isn’t about perfection — it’s about growth, gratitude, and the people who lift us up along the way.


Resources:


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]]> 8.02: Navigating Time: The Journey of the Human Experience 8.02: Navigating Time: The Journey of the Human Experience Tue, 21 Oct 2025 09:00:00 GMT 37:55 68f65db880f266774063b4f1 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 68f65db880f266774063b4f1 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 802-navigating-time-the-journey-of-the-human-experience full 8 2 In this soul-stirring episode, Tim and Tuesday dive deep into the rhythms of change, the mystery of time, and the power of presence. Together, they unpack the tension between reflecting on the past and embracing the unknown ahead. With honest stories and thoughtful insights, they explore emotional maturity, the evolving role of men’s work, and what it means to build truly supportive spaces. Tune in for a conversation that invites you to slow down, stay curious, and discover moments of joy—even in the chaos.


Resources



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]]> In this soul-stirring episode, Tim and Tuesday dive deep into the rhythms of change, the mystery of time, and the power of presence. Together, they unpack the tension between reflecting on the past and embracing the unknown ahead. With honest stories and thoughtful insights, they explore emotional maturity, the evolving role of men’s work, and what it means to build truly supportive spaces. Tune in for a conversation that invites you to slow down, stay curious, and discover moments of joy—even in the chaos.


Resources



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]]> 8.01: New Roads, New Possibilities 8.01: New Roads, New Possibilities Tue, 07 Oct 2025 09:00:00 GMT 23:18 68e3e698965488b63a18cfa3 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 68e3e698965488b63a18cfa3 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 801-new-roads-new-possibilities full 8 1 We’re back — and we’re not playing it safe. In this exuberant Season 8 kickoff, Tim and Tuesday dive headfirst into life’s crossroads, where change isn’t just inevitable — it’s fuel for something greater. They’re talking bold pivots, fresh perspectives, and what it really takes to lift your gaze when the road gets rough. This isn’t just reflection — it’s ignition. Tune in. 


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Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:


Upcoming Guests:


St. Croix Foundation for Community Development


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]]> We’re back — and we’re not playing it safe. In this exuberant Season 8 kickoff, Tim and Tuesday dive headfirst into life’s crossroads, where change isn’t just inevitable — it’s fuel for something greater. They’re talking bold pivots, fresh perspectives, and what it really takes to lift your gaze when the road gets rough. This isn’t just reflection — it’s ignition. Tune in. 


Resources:

Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:


Upcoming Guests:


St. Croix Foundation for Community Development


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]]> 7.19: Stillness in Motion: A Journey Through Season Seven 7.19: Stillness in Motion: A Journey Through Season Seven Tue, 24 Jun 2025 09:00:00 GMT 51:45 685982b3442b83938b518d32 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 685982b3442b83938b518d32 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 719-stillness-in-motion-a-journey-through-season-seven full 7 19 In the final episode of Season 7, Tim and Tuesday are re-joined by Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly and Gian Paul Ganzoni, where they all reflect on their season’s journey, diving into themes of courageous leadership, nature as a guide, and the power of community. These four powerhouses explore the tension between speed and stillness, the need for self-care, and how intentional action can drive personal and professional transformation - especially in times of crisis.


For links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> In the final episode of Season 7, Tim and Tuesday are re-joined by Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly and Gian Paul Ganzoni, where they all reflect on their season’s journey, diving into themes of courageous leadership, nature as a guide, and the power of community. These four powerhouses explore the tension between speed and stillness, the need for self-care, and how intentional action can drive personal and professional transformation - especially in times of crisis.


For links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 7.18: Exploring Darkness + Discovery 7.18: Exploring Darkness + Discovery Tue, 10 Jun 2025 09:00:00 GMT 39:28 6847228922eb752c2fe310d0 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6847228922eb752c2fe310d0 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 718-exploring-darkness-discovery full 7 18 In this rich and thoughtful conversation, Tim and Tuesday delve into the themes of integration, imagination, and the courage it takes to face darkness—both personal and collective—in times of societal upheaval. Drawing inspiration from Ursula K. Le Guin’s radical storytelling to the recent SSIR article on systems collapse, they explore alternatives to traditional heroic narratives and consider other ways to creatively navigate the current polycrisis. The discussion weaves together reflections on war, relationships, and the pursuit of peace, highlighting how deep bonds often form in extreme circumstances. Tim and Tuesday talk about the concept of "islands of sanity"—spaces of refuge and clarity amidst chaos—and the vital role of community in fostering resilience. They also explore the practical side of peace: how daily practices, honest self-reflection, and intentional connection can help build a more compassionate world, even in the face of difficulty. Ultimately, this episode invites listeners to imagine new models of creation, grounded in both hope and reality.


For links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast



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]]> In this rich and thoughtful conversation, Tim and Tuesday delve into the themes of integration, imagination, and the courage it takes to face darkness—both personal and collective—in times of societal upheaval. Drawing inspiration from Ursula K. Le Guin’s radical storytelling to the recent SSIR article on systems collapse, they explore alternatives to traditional heroic narratives and consider other ways to creatively navigate the current polycrisis. The discussion weaves together reflections on war, relationships, and the pursuit of peace, highlighting how deep bonds often form in extreme circumstances. Tim and Tuesday talk about the concept of "islands of sanity"—spaces of refuge and clarity amidst chaos—and the vital role of community in fostering resilience. They also explore the practical side of peace: how daily practices, honest self-reflection, and intentional connection can help build a more compassionate world, even in the face of difficulty. Ultimately, this episode invites listeners to imagine new models of creation, grounded in both hope and reality.


For links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast



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]]> <![CDATA[7.17: The Art of Body Wisdom & Unwinding]]> Tue, 27 May 2025 09:00:00 GMT 37:07 683489ff5895b9ea5877e4a2 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 683489ff5895b9ea5877e4a2 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 717-the-art-of-body-wisdom-unwinding full 7 17 On today’s episode of Find The Outside, Tuesday and Tim dive into the art of unwinding—physically, emotionally, and spiritually. They share personal stories and practical insights about how tuning into the body can transform how we lead, live, and heal. From finding motivation to navigating tough moments, Tuesday and Tim explore how body awareness fuels emotional intelligence and personal growth. They break down the connection between movement and mindfulness, and how trusting our instincts—especially in high-pressure situations—can make us better leaders and facilitators.


This honest, thoughtful conversation also tackles the impact of trauma and the wisdom our bodies hold. If you're curious about the intersection of embodiment, leadership, and healing, this episode is for you.


For links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast




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]]> On today’s episode of Find The Outside, Tuesday and Tim dive into the art of unwinding—physically, emotionally, and spiritually. They share personal stories and practical insights about how tuning into the body can transform how we lead, live, and heal. From finding motivation to navigating tough moments, Tuesday and Tim explore how body awareness fuels emotional intelligence and personal growth. They break down the connection between movement and mindfulness, and how trusting our instincts—especially in high-pressure situations—can make us better leaders and facilitators.


This honest, thoughtful conversation also tackles the impact of trauma and the wisdom our bodies hold. If you're curious about the intersection of embodiment, leadership, and healing, this episode is for you.


For links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast




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]]> 7.16: Let It Grow, Let It Go 7.16: Let It Grow, Let It Go Tue, 13 May 2025 09:00:00 GMT 41:09 68224837986466935dd94da2 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 68224837986466935dd94da2 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 716-let-it-grow-let-it-go full 7 16 On today’s episode, Tim and Tuesday reflect on the choices we make and what we release as we step into new chapters. They share their evolving connection with nature, the effects of climate change on that relationship, and the physiological benefits of time spent outdoors. The conversation weaves through themes of letting go, navigating transitions, and shifting from strategy to wisdom—both personally and professionally. They unpack the emotional challenges of handing off responsibilities, especially with age, and emphasize the value of embracing change, finding calm in urgency, and leading with integrity when leaving a legacy behind.


For links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> On today’s episode, Tim and Tuesday reflect on the choices we make and what we release as we step into new chapters. They share their evolving connection with nature, the effects of climate change on that relationship, and the physiological benefits of time spent outdoors. The conversation weaves through themes of letting go, navigating transitions, and shifting from strategy to wisdom—both personally and professionally. They unpack the emotional challenges of handing off responsibilities, especially with age, and emphasize the value of embracing change, finding calm in urgency, and leading with integrity when leaving a legacy behind.


For links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> BEST OF: Outside Conversations with Toke Moeller BEST OF: Outside Conversations with Toke Moeller Tue, 29 Apr 2025 09:00:00 GMT 52:29 6807b57523cb4388be804ee0 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6807b57523cb4388be804ee0 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 best-of-outside-conversations-with-toke-moeller On the practices that allow opposites to exist full 7 15 Outside Conversations with Toke Moeller: On the practices that allow opposites to exist (Best of Find The Outside: The Podcast)


Originally published on July 6, 2022, this episode welcomes long-time friend, and mentor, Toke Moeller, co-founder of the Art of Hosting, The Flow Game, and The Practising for Peace dojo. Toke is one of the most grounded, pragmatic and visionary leaders we know. The conversation dives deep into the practices which can serve you both personally, professionally, and collectively, the need to slow down in the face of urgency, the understanding, practicing, and seeking of wisdom, the building of capacity to build more capacity for future generations, and how you can connect to the momentum from, what Toke calls, “Life Force.”


This episode is timeless and one we recommend to our clients, colleagues and friends again and again. We hope you find the magic in it. Enjoy.

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Originally published on July 6, 2022, this episode welcomes long-time friend, and mentor, Toke Moeller, co-founder of the Art of Hosting, The Flow Game, and The Practising for Peace dojo. Toke is one of the most grounded, pragmatic and visionary leaders we know. The conversation dives deep into the practices which can serve you both personally, professionally, and collectively, the need to slow down in the face of urgency, the understanding, practicing, and seeking of wisdom, the building of capacity to build more capacity for future generations, and how you can connect to the momentum from, what Toke calls, “Life Force.”


This episode is timeless and one we recommend to our clients, colleagues and friends again and again. We hope you find the magic in it. Enjoy.

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]]> 7.14: Why Art of Hosting now? 7.14: Why Art of Hosting now? Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:00:00 GMT 33:57 67fd610589f827a8734b465c false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 67fd610589f827a8734b465c 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 714-outside-tues-tim-why-art-of-hosting-now full 7 14 On today’s episode of podcast, Tim and Tuesday officially announce The Outside’s next Art of Hosting training, coming this October in beautiful Nova Scotia, Canada. They dive into a rich conversation about the growing importance of participatory leadership in our fast-changing world, and why tapping into collective intelligence and collaboration is more vital than ever in leadership. Tune in for the conversation—and join us for the training!


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]]> On today’s episode of podcast, Tim and Tuesday officially announce The Outside’s next Art of Hosting training, coming this October in beautiful Nova Scotia, Canada. They dive into a rich conversation about the growing importance of participatory leadership in our fast-changing world, and why tapping into collective intelligence and collaboration is more vital than ever in leadership. Tune in for the conversation—and join us for the training!


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]]> 7.13: Reflections on Personal Growth and Eldership 7.13: Reflections on Personal Growth and Eldership Tue, 01 Apr 2025 09:00:00 GMT 33:50 67ea81f674ce61567345f628 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 67ea81f674ce61567345f628 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 713-outside-tues-tim-personal-growth-eldership full 7 13 Join Tim and Tuesday where they reflect on their recent guests - Betsy Taylor, Bob Wing, and Margaret Wheatley - and explore themes of personal growth, self-acceptance, and the journey back to one's true self. They discuss the challenges of living authentically in a rapidly changing world and the importance of eldership in guiding this journey. Through personal anecdotes and insights, Tim and Tuesday emphasize the significance of accepting oneself and the choices that come with aging and personal evolution.


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]]> Join Tim and Tuesday where they reflect on their recent guests - Betsy Taylor, Bob Wing, and Margaret Wheatley - and explore themes of personal growth, self-acceptance, and the journey back to one's true self. They discuss the challenges of living authentically in a rapidly changing world and the importance of eldership in guiding this journey. Through personal anecdotes and insights, Tim and Tuesday emphasize the significance of accepting oneself and the choices that come with aging and personal evolution.


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]]> 7.12: Outside Conversations with Margaret Wheatley 7.12: Outside Conversations with Margaret Wheatley Tue, 18 Mar 2025 09:00:00 GMT 1:02:08 67d81704af1d043055f8798c false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 67d81704af1d043055f8798c 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 712-outside-conversations-with-margaret-wheatley Cultivating Compassion, Connection, and Resilience in Times of Disruption full 7 12 In this heartfelt and inspiring episode, Tim and Tuesday sit down with their longtime friend and mentor, Margaret Wheatley, a trailblazer in understanding and navigating systemic collapse and disruption over the past four decades. Margaret, a thought leader and writer, shares insights from her new book of poetry and delves deep into the complexities of leadership, compassion, and community in today’s world. She reflects on her role as a "prophet"—someone who sees the truth, even when it's hard to be believed—and emphasizes the power of turning to each other in times of crisis. With wisdom and clarity, Margaret calls for the creation of "islands of sanity" where compassion and connection can thrive amidst the chaos. This episode is a powerful reminder of the importance of community in an increasingly fragmented world.


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]]> In this heartfelt and inspiring episode, Tim and Tuesday sit down with their longtime friend and mentor, Margaret Wheatley, a trailblazer in understanding and navigating systemic collapse and disruption over the past four decades. Margaret, a thought leader and writer, shares insights from her new book of poetry and delves deep into the complexities of leadership, compassion, and community in today’s world. She reflects on her role as a "prophet"—someone who sees the truth, even when it's hard to be believed—and emphasizes the power of turning to each other in times of crisis. With wisdom and clarity, Margaret calls for the creation of "islands of sanity" where compassion and connection can thrive amidst the chaos. This episode is a powerful reminder of the importance of community in an increasingly fragmented world.


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]]> 7.11: On the journey to Rooted In Light 7.11: On the journey to Rooted In Light Tue, 04 Mar 2025 10:00:00 GMT 34:36 67c5b957de7014d61d634077 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 67c5b957de7014d61d634077 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 711-outside-tues-tim-journey-to-rooted-in-light full 7 11 On today’s episode of the pod, Tuesday shares her new work outside of The Outside focused on personal transformation and spiritual practices. Tim and Tuesday also explore Tues’ journey in creating this new path for herself and others, highlighting the significance of connection, community, and support among women.


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]]> On today’s episode of the pod, Tuesday shares her new work outside of The Outside focused on personal transformation and spiritual practices. Tim and Tuesday also explore Tues’ journey in creating this new path for herself and others, highlighting the significance of connection, community, and support among women.


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]]> 1.03: Rooted In Light 1.03: Rooted In Light Tue, 25 Feb 2025 10:00:00 GMT 55:45 67bcc59819249d0c1a82d30f false https://www.tuesdayrivera.com/podcast 67bcc59819249d0c1a82d30f 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 103-rooted-in-light-dr-gabrielle-donnelly From a Dark Night of the Body to Living for Pleasure full In the third episode of Tues' new podcast, Rooted in Light, she chats with close friend and Outside colleague, Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly, about her recent transformative journey brought on by chronic illness. Without a clear diagnosis and bedridden, Gabe had to completely let go of any ideas of the life she had planned and instead, turn to the life in front of her. Listen in as Tues and Gabe discuss the profound experiences of a dark night of the body and the slow ascent toward healing. Sharing her insights on how tending to her edges and boundaries has allowed her to be more present, Gabe also offers how the darkness of transformation teaches us about living for pleasure versus living for purpose.


For links and resources, please visit: https://www.tuesdayrivera.com/podcast.html



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]]> In the third episode of Tues' new podcast, Rooted in Light, she chats with close friend and Outside colleague, Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly, about her recent transformative journey brought on by chronic illness. Without a clear diagnosis and bedridden, Gabe had to completely let go of any ideas of the life she had planned and instead, turn to the life in front of her. Listen in as Tues and Gabe discuss the profound experiences of a dark night of the body and the slow ascent toward healing. Sharing her insights on how tending to her edges and boundaries has allowed her to be more present, Gabe also offers how the darkness of transformation teaches us about living for pleasure versus living for purpose.


For links and resources, please visit: https://www.tuesdayrivera.com/podcast.html



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]]> 7.10: Outside Conversations with Bob Wing 7.10: Outside Conversations with Bob Wing Tue, 18 Feb 2025 10:00:00 GMT 47:27 67b3859aa16c1d2aa5a2d200 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 67b3859aa16c1d2aa5a2d200 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 710-outside-conversations-with-bob-wing Devil at the Crossroads full 7 10 Tim and Tuesday are joined by long-time friend, Bob Wing, where they reminisce about their shared experiences at the Art of Hosting, delve into Bob's background in Aikido and leadership, and discuss the inherent dangers and opportunities for change that arise at crossroads. They also share personal stories that illustrate how signs and synchronicities can guide choices, the balance between waiting and flowing through life, and the significance of finding and expressing one's unique voice.


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]]> Tim and Tuesday are joined by long-time friend, Bob Wing, where they reminisce about their shared experiences at the Art of Hosting, delve into Bob's background in Aikido and leadership, and discuss the inherent dangers and opportunities for change that arise at crossroads. They also share personal stories that illustrate how signs and synchronicities can guide choices, the balance between waiting and flowing through life, and the significance of finding and expressing one's unique voice.


For links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 7.09: Outside Conversations with The Outside Leadership Team 7.09: Outside Conversations with The Outside Leadership Team Tue, 04 Feb 2025 10:00:00 GMT 40:16 679ce7402a5cfef5623e8c7c false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 679ce7402a5cfef5623e8c7c 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 709-outside-conversations-with-the-outside-leadership-team Navigating Crossroads: A Mid-Season Reflection full 7 9 Tuesday and Tim are joined by Outside colleagues, Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly and Gian Paul Ganzoni, where they engage in a mid-season podcast reflection of crossroads. Together they speak to equine therapy as a tool for leadership development, the importance of internal reflection when navigating crossroads in life, the necessity of self-awareness in leadership roles, and the journey of personal growth and change management. They also discuss how individual work impacts group dynamics and the significance of co-regulation in fostering connection and collaboration.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by Outside colleagues, Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly and Gian Paul Ganzoni, where they engage in a mid-season podcast reflection of crossroads. Together they speak to equine therapy as a tool for leadership development, the importance of internal reflection when navigating crossroads in life, the necessity of self-awareness in leadership roles, and the journey of personal growth and change management. They also discuss how individual work impacts group dynamics and the significance of co-regulation in fostering connection and collaboration.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> <![CDATA["Rooted in Light" with Tuesday Rivera]]> Thu, 30 Jan 2025 10:00:00 GMT 34:46 679ab9b001388342bac65eb3 false https://www.tuesdayrivera.com/podcast 679ab9b001388342bac65eb3 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 announcing-rooted-in-light-with-tuesday-rivera Coming out of the Spiritual Closet full 1 1 The Outside is excited to announce Tuesday's new work and podcast, "Rooted in Light!!"


In this very first episode of the Rooted in Light podcast, host Tuesday Rivera shares her vision for the show, emphasizing the importance of self-discovery, the divine feminine, and intuitive practices. She’s joined by her husband Gibrán Rivera, as they open up about their experiences of coming out of the spiritual closet and the duality of joy and healing. The conversation highlights the demand for spiritual growth, the importance of community, and the transformative power of facing one's wounds. To close out the episode, Tuesday invites you to explore practices for rooting into your own light.


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]]> The Outside is excited to announce Tuesday's new work and podcast, "Rooted in Light!!"


In this very first episode of the Rooted in Light podcast, host Tuesday Rivera shares her vision for the show, emphasizing the importance of self-discovery, the divine feminine, and intuitive practices. She’s joined by her husband Gibrán Rivera, as they open up about their experiences of coming out of the spiritual closet and the duality of joy and healing. The conversation highlights the demand for spiritual growth, the importance of community, and the transformative power of facing one's wounds. To close out the episode, Tuesday invites you to explore practices for rooting into your own light.


Learn more by visiting www.tuesdayrivera.com

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]]> 7.08: Outside Conversations with Betsy Taylor 7.08: Outside Conversations with Betsy Taylor Tue, 21 Jan 2025 10:00:00 GMT 49:59 67890c4feb6f48a9d68a6a1f false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 67890c4feb6f48a9d68a6a1f 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 708-outside-conversations-with-betsy-taylor On the Power of Humility full 7 8 Tim and Tuesday are joined by friend and colleague, Betsy Taylor, Philanthropic Consultant and Chair of the Volgenau Climate Initiative, where she shares her extensive experience in climate activism and leadership. Betsy reflects on her journey from a young organizer to a seasoned leader, emphasizing the importance of convening diverse groups to achieve systemic change. She also discusses her childhood influences, the crossroads she faces in her life, and how she navigates fear and uncertainty in her work. Her insights on leadership, service, and personal growth provide valuable lessons for anyone looking to make a difference in their community and the world.


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]]> Tim and Tuesday are joined by friend and colleague, Betsy Taylor, Philanthropic Consultant and Chair of the Volgenau Climate Initiative, where she shares her extensive experience in climate activism and leadership. Betsy reflects on her journey from a young organizer to a seasoned leader, emphasizing the importance of convening diverse groups to achieve systemic change. She also discusses her childhood influences, the crossroads she faces in her life, and how she navigates fear and uncertainty in her work. Her insights on leadership, service, and personal growth provide valuable lessons for anyone looking to make a difference in their community and the world.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 7.07: On New Beginnings Outside The Outside 7.07: On New Beginnings Outside The Outside Tue, 07 Jan 2025 10:00:06 GMT 25:09 677c4cd0a1ad7348eb661eb9 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 677c4cd0a1ad7348eb661eb9 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 707-outside-tues-tim-new-beginnings-outside-the-outside full 7 7 For their opening episode of 2025, Tim and Tuesday discuss The Outside’s plans and offerings for 2025, including two Art of Hosting trainings, coaching, and community engagement. They also explore Tim and Tuesday’s new explorations and offerings “outside” The Outside. It’s exciting. Have a listen.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> For their opening episode of 2025, Tim and Tuesday discuss The Outside’s plans and offerings for 2025, including two Art of Hosting trainings, coaching, and community engagement. They also explore Tim and Tuesday’s new explorations and offerings “outside” The Outside. It’s exciting. Have a listen.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 7.06: On finding beauty in darkness 7.06: On finding beauty in darkness Tue, 10 Dec 2024 10:00:49 GMT 23:45 675303f72dd88df1327c9d66 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 675303f72dd88df1327c9d66 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 706-outside-tues-tim-beauty-in-darkness full 7 6 For their final episode of 2024, Tim and Tuesday explore the choices we face during the holiday season. They discuss the beauty found in winter, the importance of relationships during challenging times, and how to navigate difficult choices with mindfulness and presence. A great one to end the year, friends. Tune in.


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]]> For their final episode of 2024, Tim and Tuesday explore the choices we face during the holiday season. They discuss the beauty found in winter, the importance of relationships during challenging times, and how to navigate difficult choices with mindfulness and presence. A great one to end the year, friends. Tune in.


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]]> <![CDATA[7.05: On Reality, Hope & Gratitude]]> Tue, 26 Nov 2024 10:11:33 GMT 39:07 67459ed5d2e92c514d71b5b4 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 67459ed5d2e92c514d71b5b4 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 705-outside-tues-tim-reality-hope-gratitude full 7 5 Tim and Tuesday delve into their reflections and learnings from podcast guest, Sparrow Hart, along with what’s up with them in their everyday crossroads including sacrifice, the significance of nature-based solutions, and the importance of finding hope in everyday actions. They explore how personal experiences and reflections shape their understanding of these concepts, emphasizing the role of humility and prayer in navigating life's challenges. They also discuss the significance of shared experiences, the art of facilitation, and the necessity of working with reality rather than aspiring for unattainable ideals.


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]]> Tim and Tuesday delve into their reflections and learnings from podcast guest, Sparrow Hart, along with what’s up with them in their everyday crossroads including sacrifice, the significance of nature-based solutions, and the importance of finding hope in everyday actions. They explore how personal experiences and reflections shape their understanding of these concepts, emphasizing the role of humility and prayer in navigating life's challenges. They also discuss the significance of shared experiences, the art of facilitation, and the necessity of working with reality rather than aspiring for unattainable ideals.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 7.04: Outside Conversations with Sparrow Hart 7.04: Outside Conversations with Sparrow Hart Tue, 12 Nov 2024 10:30:26 GMT 1:02:39 67332e431373bb020eb0954f false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 67332e431373bb020eb0954f 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 704-outside-conversations-with-sparrow-hart full 7 4 Tim and Tuesday are joined by vision quest guide and author, Sparrow Hart, where they discuss the journey of leading vision quests and the essence of what a vision quest entails. They delve into the importance of sacrifice in personal growth and the daily challenges faced when navigating life changes. They also explore the profound themes of transformation, grief, powerlessness, and the journey of self-discovery through the lens of the vision quest.


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]]> Tim and Tuesday are joined by vision quest guide and author, Sparrow Hart, where they discuss the journey of leading vision quests and the essence of what a vision quest entails. They delve into the importance of sacrifice in personal growth and the daily challenges faced when navigating life changes. They also explore the profound themes of transformation, grief, powerlessness, and the journey of self-discovery through the lens of the vision quest.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 7.03: On finding your inner compass 7.03: On finding your inner compass Tue, 29 Oct 2024 09:00:34 GMT 45:38 671f837d04763fc0c881d12a false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 671f837d04763fc0c881d12a 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 703-outside-tues-tim-inner-compass full 7 3 In this engaging episode, Tim and Tuesday discuss the importance of recognizing crossroads in life and how to navigate them intentionally. They emphasize the significance of internal work and finding one's internal compass, moving from a mindset of action to one of reflection and integration. Tim and Tues also explore the transitions in their lives as they approach the second half of their professional journeys; including the importance of self-discovery, claiming one's path, and integrating inner work with external responsibilities.


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]]> In this engaging episode, Tim and Tuesday discuss the importance of recognizing crossroads in life and how to navigate them intentionally. They emphasize the significance of internal work and finding one's internal compass, moving from a mindset of action to one of reflection and integration. Tim and Tues also explore the transitions in their lives as they approach the second half of their professional journeys; including the importance of self-discovery, claiming one's path, and integrating inner work with external responsibilities.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 7.02: Burning the door behind me 7.02: Burning the door behind me Tue, 15 Oct 2024 09:00:14 GMT 38:59 670d0e29cf7ee45f9e1d378f false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 670d0e29cf7ee45f9e1d378f 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 702-outside-tues-tim-burning-door-behind-me full 7 2 Tim and Tuesday continue their exploration of crossroads where they discuss the importance of accepting reality, the impact of learning on our choices, and the significance of nature and rituals in healing. Tim delves into the transformative experience of his recent vision quest, the power of poetry as a means of expression, and the practical implications of spiritual journeys. Together, Tim and Tuesday emphasize the necessity of sacrifice and responsibility in making meaningful life choices. Dive in!


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]]> Tim and Tuesday continue their exploration of crossroads where they discuss the importance of accepting reality, the impact of learning on our choices, and the significance of nature and rituals in healing. Tim delves into the transformative experience of his recent vision quest, the power of poetry as a means of expression, and the practical implications of spiritual journeys. Together, Tim and Tuesday emphasize the necessity of sacrifice and responsibility in making meaningful life choices. Dive in!


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 7.01: On the complexity and richness of crossroads 7.01: On the complexity and richness of crossroads Tue, 01 Oct 2024 09:00:34 GMT 39:38 66faa1736ef979d099ffe585 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 66faa1736ef979d099ffe585 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 701-outside-tues-tim-crossroads full 7 1 We’re back! Tim and Tuesday are back for Season 7 and they’ve brought Gian Paul Ganzoni and Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly along for the ride! In this season opener, the four Outsiders share their personal crossroads. Gian Paul is at a crossroads of combining organizational development and biomimicry, while Gabrielle is navigating her return to work after a period of chronic illness. Tim reflects on the challenges of balancing work and personal life, and Tuesday emphasizes the importance of having diverse perspectives and support when facing crossroads. Join us on a season-long inquiry into crossroads and to embrace the opportunities for growth and transformation. It’s going to be delicious.


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]]> We’re back! Tim and Tuesday are back for Season 7 and they’ve brought Gian Paul Ganzoni and Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly along for the ride! In this season opener, the four Outsiders share their personal crossroads. Gian Paul is at a crossroads of combining organizational development and biomimicry, while Gabrielle is navigating her return to work after a period of chronic illness. Tim reflects on the challenges of balancing work and personal life, and Tuesday emphasizes the importance of having diverse perspectives and support when facing crossroads. Join us on a season-long inquiry into crossroads and to embrace the opportunities for growth and transformation. It’s going to be delicious.


For show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 6.16: Outside Tues + Tim 6.16: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 25 Jun 2024 09:00:55 GMT 36:43 6679caa4ab8b26b10f58b1f2 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6679caa4ab8b26b10f58b1f2 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 616-outside-tues-tim-becoming-present-becoming-part By becoming present you are becoming part full 6 16 In the final episode of Season 6, Tuesday and Tim explore the idea of nature as a self-regulating system and the multiplicity within it, the value of being present and enjoying life in the present moment, and the importance of finding a personal practice that brings joy and relaxation, rather than viewing it as a battle against anxiety. Tues also shares her experience and learnings running the Luminosity Intensive and the transformative impact it had on the participants. At the end of the episode, they pull cards from an oracle deck to provide guidance for the summer. Tune in to find out more!


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]]> In the final episode of Season 6, Tuesday and Tim explore the idea of nature as a self-regulating system and the multiplicity within it, the value of being present and enjoying life in the present moment, and the importance of finding a personal practice that brings joy and relaxation, rather than viewing it as a battle against anxiety. Tues also shares her experience and learnings running the Luminosity Intensive and the transformative impact it had on the participants. At the end of the episode, they pull cards from an oracle deck to provide guidance for the summer. Tune in to find out more!


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 6.15: Outside Tues + Tim 6.15: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 14 May 2024 09:00:46 GMT 24:48 664217061d878a0012b0ba22 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 664217061d878a0012b0ba22 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 615-outside-tues-tim-evolution-art-of-hosting full 6 15 Tim and Tuesday discuss their experience with the Art of Hosting, a global community of practice focused on participatory leadership and problem-solving, where they reflect on their involvement in the community and their evolution within it. They share memories from their early days and the importance of creating the right conditions for people to solve their own problems. They also discuss how they have integrated their learnings from the Art of Hosting and developed their own approach and methodologies, while still maintaining a close relationship with the community.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Tim and Tuesday discuss their experience with the Art of Hosting, a global community of practice focused on participatory leadership and problem-solving, where they reflect on their involvement in the community and their evolution within it. They share memories from their early days and the importance of creating the right conditions for people to solve their own problems. They also discuss how they have integrated their learnings from the Art of Hosting and developed their own approach and methodologies, while still maintaining a close relationship with the community.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 6.14: Outside Tues + Tim 6.14: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:19:45 GMT 32:50 6630e1e1f1e606001383509a false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6630e1e1f1e606001383509a 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 614-outside-tues-tim-practices-inner-compass Practices for Connecting to Your Inner Compass full 6 14 Tim and Tuesday reflect on the Changing Spirit series featuring Christel Scholten from Reos Partners and Laura Blakeman and Geneen Marie Haugen from the Animas Valley Institute. They reflect on the deepening commitment, curiosity, and inspiration they felt after these conversations as well as the practicality of engaging with the natural world and the importance of recognizing the aliveness and intelligence of the world around us. They also dive into the concept of following one's curiosity and finding one's true path in life as well as the importance of practices that connect us to our inner compass and the significance of having a circle of people who define and love us for who we are.


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]]> Tim and Tuesday reflect on the Changing Spirit series featuring Christel Scholten from Reos Partners and Laura Blakeman and Geneen Marie Haugen from the Animas Valley Institute. They reflect on the deepening commitment, curiosity, and inspiration they felt after these conversations as well as the practicality of engaging with the natural world and the importance of recognizing the aliveness and intelligence of the world around us. They also dive into the concept of following one's curiosity and finding one's true path in life as well as the importance of practices that connect us to our inner compass and the significance of having a circle of people who define and love us for who we are.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 6.13: Outside Conversations with Christel Scholten 6.13: Outside Conversations with Christel Scholten Tue, 16 Apr 2024 09:00:09 GMT 57:11 661d125cbb53c10016572bf2 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 661d125cbb53c10016572bf2 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 613-outside-conversations-with-christel-scholten On the formative experiences of change full 6 13 Tuesday and Tim welcome Christel Scholten, long-time friend, colleague and Managing Director of Reos Partners - Brazil. In this episode, Christel shares her background and journey from circle work to large-scale change. She emphasizes the importance of courage and audacity in pursuing one's purpose and she discusses her deep connection to the feminine and her work in Brazil, particularly in transforming the fashion industry.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim welcome Christel Scholten, long-time friend, colleague and Managing Director of Reos Partners - Brazil. In this episode, Christel shares her background and journey from circle work to large-scale change. She emphasizes the importance of courage and audacity in pursuing one's purpose and she discusses her deep connection to the feminine and her work in Brazil, particularly in transforming the fashion industry.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 6.12: Outside Conversations with Geneen Haugen + Laura Blakeman 6.12: Outside Conversations with Geneen Haugen + Laura Blakeman Tue, 02 Apr 2024 09:00:10 GMT 1:01:34 6605818f2144e50017b91b25 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6605818f2144e50017b91b25 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 612-outside-conversations-with-geneen-haugen-laura-blakeman An invitation for a deeper relationship with the animate world full 6 12 Tuesday and Tim welcome Dr. Geneen Marie Haugen & Dr. Laura Blakeman, of the Animas Valley Institute, where they invite listeners to imagine a different future rooted in interconnectedness and a deeper understanding of our place in the world, discuss the concept of animacy and the importance of recognizing the aliveness and intelligence of the world around us. They explore the profound intimacy and reciprocal relationship that can be experienced with all beings, and the implications of this worldview at different scales. They also discuss the need to invite back the wild twin within ourselves and the importance of engaging in full aliveness. Geneen and Laura also provide practical advice on how to begin cultivating a deeper relationship with the animate world.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim welcome Dr. Geneen Marie Haugen & Dr. Laura Blakeman, of the Animas Valley Institute, where they invite listeners to imagine a different future rooted in interconnectedness and a deeper understanding of our place in the world, discuss the concept of animacy and the importance of recognizing the aliveness and intelligence of the world around us. They explore the profound intimacy and reciprocal relationship that can be experienced with all beings, and the implications of this worldview at different scales. They also discuss the need to invite back the wild twin within ourselves and the importance of engaging in full aliveness. Geneen and Laura also provide practical advice on how to begin cultivating a deeper relationship with the animate world.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast



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]]> 6.11: Outside Tues + Tim 6.11: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 05 Mar 2024 10:00:28 GMT 29:22 65e0b4efef8f000017b2a53b false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 65e0b4efef8f000017b2a53b 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 611-outside-tues-tim-shifting-paradigms-for-changing-planet On shifting paradigms for a changing planet full 6 11 Tuesday and Tim reflect on the Changing Planet series and their grounded conversations with Zaid Hassan, Brett KenCairn, Katie Redford, and Annie Plotkin-Madrigal. They reflect on the importance of a coherent articulation of your stance, shifting paradigms, embracing nature-based solutions, and the role of spirit and indigenous ways of being in creating meaningful change. They also invite YOU to the final series of the pod in which we will explore the intersection of spirituality and transformation. Season 6 is off the charts!


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]]> Tuesday and Tim reflect on the Changing Planet series and their grounded conversations with Zaid Hassan, Brett KenCairn, Katie Redford, and Annie Plotkin-Madrigal. They reflect on the importance of a coherent articulation of your stance, shifting paradigms, embracing nature-based solutions, and the role of spirit and indigenous ways of being in creating meaningful change. They also invite YOU to the final series of the pod in which we will explore the intersection of spirituality and transformation. Season 6 is off the charts!


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Special Episode: Luminosity Intensive Special Episode: Luminosity Intensive Thu, 22 Feb 2024 10:00:31 GMT 30:52 65d6a0b5efcf5f001699b855 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 65d6a0b5efcf5f001699b855 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 special-episode-luminosity-intensive A Program for Women to Light up the World full 6 On today’s special episode of the pod, join Tuesday as she describes her latest offering: Luminosity Intensive: A Program for Women to Light up the World. The intensive is a transformative 12-week online journey designed specifically for women who are ready to embrace their true essence and illuminate the world with their light. But the Luminosity Intensive is not just an offering, Tuesday shares "it feels like I am the butterfly coming out of the chrysalis on this one. This offering is ushering in the next me in so many ways, and so I want to share these tender new, unfurling wings." Listen in to learn more!


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]]> On today’s special episode of the pod, join Tuesday as she describes her latest offering: Luminosity Intensive: A Program for Women to Light up the World. The intensive is a transformative 12-week online journey designed specifically for women who are ready to embrace their true essence and illuminate the world with their light. But the Luminosity Intensive is not just an offering, Tuesday shares "it feels like I am the butterfly coming out of the chrysalis on this one. This offering is ushering in the next me in so many ways, and so I want to share these tender new, unfurling wings." Listen in to learn more!


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 6.10: Outside Conversations with Katie Redford + Annie Plotkin-Madrigal 6.10: Outside Conversations with Katie Redford + Annie Plotkin-Madrigal Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:00:38 GMT 57:42 65d33e6dba1fb90016a3c8d6 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 65d33e6dba1fb90016a3c8d6 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 610-outside-conversations-equation-campaign On being a standing rock full 6 10 Tuesday and Tim welcome Katie Redford and Annie Plotkin-Madrigal of the Equation Campaign. In this pod, Annie and Katie explain the need for a different approach to climate philanthropy, how they confront and challenge the power of the fossil fuel industry by investing in frontline communities and movements, and the way they approach their work with a combination of head, heart, and hands. Driven by the belief that true change requires confronting corporate power, disruption, and a focus on justice, the Equation Campaign has set a 10 year deadline for their audacious work. Welcome to this brilliant conversation.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim welcome Katie Redford and Annie Plotkin-Madrigal of the Equation Campaign. In this pod, Annie and Katie explain the need for a different approach to climate philanthropy, how they confront and challenge the power of the fossil fuel industry by investing in frontline communities and movements, and the way they approach their work with a combination of head, heart, and hands. Driven by the belief that true change requires confronting corporate power, disruption, and a focus on justice, the Equation Campaign has set a 10 year deadline for their audacious work. Welcome to this brilliant conversation.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Special Pod Episode: Behind The Mask of the Survivor Special Pod Episode: Behind The Mask of the Survivor Thu, 15 Feb 2024 10:00:04 GMT 49:50 65cb81a7ac7c890018bd1e50 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 65cb81a7ac7c890018bd1e50 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 special-pod-episode-behind-the-mask-of-the-survivor The cost of elite boarding schools full 6 Behind The Mask of the Survivor." The Outside is both honoured and excited to be organizing the first “Boarding School Survivors Workshop” in North America. This is not to be confused with Indigenous Residential and Boarding Schools, especially as we are hosting in Lnu territory. The focus of this workshop is largely on the elite boarding schools that children, largely from middle to upper class families, are sent away to from as young as 7 years old. This Workshop kicks off in June 2024. Join us.

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]]> Behind The Mask of the Survivor." The Outside is both honoured and excited to be organizing the first “Boarding School Survivors Workshop” in North America. This is not to be confused with Indigenous Residential and Boarding Schools, especially as we are hosting in Lnu territory. The focus of this workshop is largely on the elite boarding schools that children, largely from middle to upper class families, are sent away to from as young as 7 years old. This Workshop kicks off in June 2024. Join us.

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]]> 6.09: Outside Conversations with Brett KenCairn 6.09: Outside Conversations with Brett KenCairn Tue, 06 Feb 2024 10:00:55 GMT 54:41 65c112ed3a88cd0016f66cac false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 65c112ed3a88cd0016f66cac 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 609-outside-conversations-with-brett-kencairn On the promise of the fourth wave full 6 9 Tuesday and Tim welcome Brett KenCairn, a leader in the development of a new field of urban nature-based solutions. Brett brings a fresh eye to what is happening around the world, climate and ecology as well as a deeply visionary and hopeful stance for the future. This conversation, much like Brett, is both strategic and soulful. Come on in.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast


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]]> Tuesday and Tim welcome Brett KenCairn, a leader in the development of a new field of urban nature-based solutions. Brett brings a fresh eye to what is happening around the world, climate and ecology as well as a deeply visionary and hopeful stance for the future. This conversation, much like Brett, is both strategic and soulful. Come on in.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast


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]]> 6.08: Outside Conversations with Zaid Hassan 6.08: Outside Conversations with Zaid Hassan Tue, 23 Jan 2024 10:00:42 GMT 58:14 6597fe71344b1800172193a8 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6597fe71344b1800172193a8 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 608-outside-conversations-with-zaid-hassan-how-to-evolve Making a moral argument for unintended consequences full 6 8 Tuesday and Tim are excited to welcome back writer, strategist, facilitator, CEO of 10-in-10, and author of The Social Labs Revolution, Zaid Hassan, where he helps us kick off our first episode in the “Changing Planet” series through his second book - “How To Evolve: Using evolution to fix culture, politics and economics, stop the world from frying, & why it’s not that hard.”


Tim, Tuesday and Zaid explore the necro-paradigm (doing terrible things in the name of the greater good) and how this requires the courage to make a shift to imagining something different and valorizing new practices. They also explore how the climate crises needs to be addressed as a complex challenge, not a technical problem. This is a very provocative and evocative conversation, friends. Tune in.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim are excited to welcome back writer, strategist, facilitator, CEO of 10-in-10, and author of The Social Labs Revolution, Zaid Hassan, where he helps us kick off our first episode in the “Changing Planet” series through his second book - “How To Evolve: Using evolution to fix culture, politics and economics, stop the world from frying, & why it’s not that hard.”


Tim, Tuesday and Zaid explore the necro-paradigm (doing terrible things in the name of the greater good) and how this requires the courage to make a shift to imagining something different and valorizing new practices. They also explore how the climate crises needs to be addressed as a complex challenge, not a technical problem. This is a very provocative and evocative conversation, friends. Tune in.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 6.07: Outside Tues + Tim 6.07: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 09 Jan 2024 10:00:38 GMT 30:16 6597fdb921488c0017478786 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6597fdb921488c0017478786 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 607-outside-tues-tim-on-action-disernment On action and discernment full 6 7 Tuesday and Tim reflect on the Changing Community series, share The Outside’s AWESOME upcoming course offerings and trainings, introduce the Changing Planet series, highlight the importance of action and discernment in creating change, and discuss why Tim and Tues do not believe in New Year’s resolutions. This one has it all, friends. Tune in.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim reflect on the Changing Community series, share The Outside’s AWESOME upcoming course offerings and trainings, introduce the Changing Planet series, highlight the importance of action and discernment in creating change, and discuss why Tim and Tues do not believe in New Year’s resolutions. This one has it all, friends. Tune in.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 6.06: Outside Conversations with Manish Jain 6.06: Outside Conversations with Manish Jain Tue, 19 Dec 2023 10:00:26 GMT 1:13:34 65803fded839640016d63ff3 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 65803fded839640016d63ff3 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 606-outside-conversations-with-manish-jain On the exponential possibilities of love and trust full 6 6 Tuesday and Tim are joined by the brilliant Manish Jain, co-founder of Swaraj University, and one of the leading planetary voices for deschooling our lives and reimagining education. A longtime friend and colleague of Tuesday and Tim, Manish continues to provoke and challenge our thinking as the three dive into differing worldviews, how we can love and trust each other, and how we can support ourselves and others to build community in all kinds of different ways.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by the brilliant Manish Jain, co-founder of Swaraj University, and one of the leading planetary voices for deschooling our lives and reimagining education. A longtime friend and colleague of Tuesday and Tim, Manish continues to provoke and challenge our thinking as the three dive into differing worldviews, how we can love and trust each other, and how we can support ourselves and others to build community in all kinds of different ways.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 6.05: Outside Conversations with David Stevenson 6.05: Outside Conversations with David Stevenson Tue, 28 Nov 2023 10:00:10 GMT 58:00 656497571a0cae0011476fcf false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 656497571a0cae0011476fcf 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 605-outside-conversations-david-stevenson-moosehide Some things are better left said full 6 5 Tuesday and Tim are joined by David Stevenson, CEO of the Moose Hide Campaign, where they deep dive into the practice of Circle, the incredible work of the Moose Hide Campaign; including the reason they’ve identified men and boys for their work, the need for connection and skill-building in our relationships to address intimate partner violence, how this campaign is creating social connectivity, and how the Moose Hide Campaign is focused on scaling wide to let the medicine carry its own depth and conversation.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by David Stevenson, CEO of the Moose Hide Campaign, where they deep dive into the practice of Circle, the incredible work of the Moose Hide Campaign; including the reason they’ve identified men and boys for their work, the need for connection and skill-building in our relationships to address intimate partner violence, how this campaign is creating social connectivity, and how the Moose Hide Campaign is focused on scaling wide to let the medicine carry its own depth and conversation.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 6.04: Outside Conversations with Francis Kangata + Tim Merry 6.04: Outside Conversations with Francis Kangata + Tim Merry Tue, 14 Nov 2023 10:00:03 GMT 1:08:10 654e76768290a100124cd42d false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 654e76768290a100124cd42d 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 604-outside-conversations-with-francis-kangata-tim-merry-mbu How following your joy makes a community full 6 4 Tuesday is joined by Tim Merry and Francis Kangata, co-founders of Mahone Bay United, where they talk about the founding and purpose of Mahone Bay United, the positive impacts that football can have on players, families and the larger community, their working relationship, what’s next for the Club, and the opportunities and challenges of making change in community. This one has all the feels, friends. Tune in.


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]]> Tuesday is joined by Tim Merry and Francis Kangata, co-founders of Mahone Bay United, where they talk about the founding and purpose of Mahone Bay United, the positive impacts that football can have on players, families and the larger community, their working relationship, what’s next for the Club, and the opportunities and challenges of making change in community. This one has all the feels, friends. Tune in.


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]]> 6.03: Outside Conversations with Deanna James 6.03: Outside Conversations with Deanna James Tue, 31 Oct 2023 09:00:28 GMT 53:52 653a8ff2238f610012342df8 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 653a8ff2238f610012342df8 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 603-outside-conversations-with-deanna-james Doing philanthropy differently full 6 3 Tuesday and Tim are joined by Deanna James, President of the St. Croix Foundation, where they talk about philanthropy as a system, how the St. Croix Foundation is doing philanthropy differently, and how Deanna is redirecting power in new ways to drive social change that will make impact beyond the boundaries of St. Croix. This one is provocative, friends. Tune in.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by Deanna James, President of the St. Croix Foundation, where they talk about philanthropy as a system, how the St. Croix Foundation is doing philanthropy differently, and how Deanna is redirecting power in new ways to drive social change that will make impact beyond the boundaries of St. Croix. This one is provocative, friends. Tune in.


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]]> 6.02: Outside Conversations with Chris Corrigan + Caitlin Frost 6.02: Outside Conversations with Chris Corrigan + Caitlin Frost Tue, 17 Oct 2023 09:00:13 GMT 1:08:17 65293911d40c970012e5942a false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 65293911d40c970012e5942a 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 602-outside-conversations-with-chris-corrigan-caitlin-frost On the reciprocity of community full 6 2 Tuesday and Tim are joined by long-time friends and colleagues, Chris Corrigan & Caitlin Frost, where they help us kick off our first series of the pod on Changing Community. Chris and Caitlin share stories of what community means to them, the idea of “claiming and being claimed,” creating the container, boundaries, and reciprocity. What a delicious way to start!


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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by long-time friends and colleagues, Chris Corrigan & Caitlin Frost, where they help us kick off our first series of the pod on Changing Community. Chris and Caitlin share stories of what community means to them, the idea of “claiming and being claimed,” creating the container, boundaries, and reciprocity. What a delicious way to start!


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Special Episode: An Invitation to Navigating Transformation Special Episode: An Invitation to Navigating Transformation Thu, 12 Oct 2023 09:00:53 GMT 18:42 6526be4eb774f70011fd74e8 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6526be4eb774f70011fd74e8 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 special-episode-an-invitation-to-navigating-transformation full 6 Today’s special episode of the pod is YOUR invitation to an exciting new offer from The Outside. Tuesday is launching a four-part workshop for women on Navigating Transformation. This is our call to all the KICK-ASS women out there who are looking for what’s next, what’s different and wanting more. Join us. We kick off on October 25th.


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]]> Today’s special episode of the pod is YOUR invitation to an exciting new offer from The Outside. Tuesday is launching a four-part workshop for women on Navigating Transformation. This is our call to all the KICK-ASS women out there who are looking for what’s next, what’s different and wanting more. Join us. We kick off on October 25th.


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]]> 6.01: Outside Tues + Tim 6.01: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 03 Oct 2023 09:00:14 GMT 15:21 651aa4e478453600110ddc25 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 651aa4e478453600110ddc25 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 601-outside-tues-tim-spirit-at-work Season 6: Spirit At Work full 6 1 Here we go, friends! Tim and Tuesday are back for Season 6 of the podcast. In this season opener, they talk about what they’ve been up this summer, let us in on the series of conversations they are offering up this year, along with some of the incredible people they’re interviewing. Join us for an inspiring new season of spirit at work.


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]]> Here we go, friends! Tim and Tuesday are back for Season 6 of the podcast. In this season opener, they talk about what they’ve been up this summer, let us in on the series of conversations they are offering up this year, along with some of the incredible people they’re interviewing. Join us for an inspiring new season of spirit at work.


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]]> 5.23: Outside Tues + Tim 5.23: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 18 Jul 2023 09:00:58 GMT 31:15 64b5865559542d001123f418 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 64b5865559542d001123f418 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 523-outside-tues-tim-season5-finale Choose your own Change Adventure full 5 23 For the final episode of Season 5, Tues and Tim chat about the mosaic of this season’s podcast guests who pushed, expanded, and made them think differently. Change is on and we are all adapting, as the circumstances around us shift. Anyone who clings to a simple answer risks getting lost along the way. Tune in for some great reflections and ways to forge forwards in the midst of uncertainty.


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]]> For the final episode of Season 5, Tues and Tim chat about the mosaic of this season’s podcast guests who pushed, expanded, and made them think differently. Change is on and we are all adapting, as the circumstances around us shift. Anyone who clings to a simple answer risks getting lost along the way. Tune in for some great reflections and ways to forge forwards in the midst of uncertainty.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> <![CDATA[5.22: Learning + Evaluation Spotlight Series: Reflections from Tuesday Ryan-Hart & Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly]]> Tue, 04 Jul 2023 09:00:35 GMT 45:13 64a3600089980a0011382cd4 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 64a3600089980a0011382cd4 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 522-learning-evaluation-outside-style full 5 22 For the final episode in our Learning and Evaluation spotlight series, Tuesday and Gabrielle reflect on what they learned from our spotlight guests, how The Outside works with evaluation, and how evaluation can support the celebration of successes along the way while also holding up a mirror for what needs attention in the centering of equity.


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]]> For the final episode in our Learning and Evaluation spotlight series, Tuesday and Gabrielle reflect on what they learned from our spotlight guests, how The Outside works with evaluation, and how evaluation can support the celebration of successes along the way while also holding up a mirror for what needs attention in the centering of equity.


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]]> 5.21: Learning + Evaluation Spotlight Series: A Conversation with Dr. Gladys Rowe 5.21: Learning + Evaluation Spotlight Series: A Conversation with Dr. Gladys Rowe Tue, 20 Jun 2023 09:00:19 GMT 50:51 649086de07f9cb0011ae0141 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 649086de07f9cb0011ae0141 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 521-learning-evaluation-spotlight-series-gladys-rowe Standing in the truth of who you are full 5 21 For the third episode in our spotlight series on Learning and Evaluation, we talk to Dr. Gladys Rowe. We talked about finding your people, sharing visions, building foundations, undoing internal narratives, decolonial futures and indigenous resurgence. It’s a remarkable conversation. Enjoy!


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]]> For the third episode in our spotlight series on Learning and Evaluation, we talk to Dr. Gladys Rowe. We talked about finding your people, sharing visions, building foundations, undoing internal narratives, decolonial futures and indigenous resurgence. It’s a remarkable conversation. Enjoy!


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]]> 5.20: Learning + Evaluation Spotlight Series: A Conversation with Jamie Gamble 5.20: Learning + Evaluation Spotlight Series: A Conversation with Jamie Gamble Tue, 13 Jun 2023 09:00:29 GMT 46:35 648700b255088e0011cc73fe false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 648700b255088e0011cc73fe 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 520-learning-evaluation-spotlight-series-jamie-gamble Barriers to Thinking Well full 5 20 For today’s second episode in our spotlight series on Learning and Evaluation, we talk to Jamie Gamble, one of the leading experts in developmental evaluation. We talk about power/strategy in how data is used and interpreted, which is a major concern with those interested in equity. We talk about the positive experience that evaluation can bring to change efforts, AND we talk neutrality - a concept that you know The Outside can be skeptical about!


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]]> For today’s second episode in our spotlight series on Learning and Evaluation, we talk to Jamie Gamble, one of the leading experts in developmental evaluation. We talk about power/strategy in how data is used and interpreted, which is a major concern with those interested in equity. We talk about the positive experience that evaluation can bring to change efforts, AND we talk neutrality - a concept that you know The Outside can be skeptical about!


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]]> 5.19: Learning + Evaluation Spotlight Series: A Conversation with Dominica McBride, PhD 5.19: Learning + Evaluation Spotlight Series: A Conversation with Dominica McBride, PhD Tue, 06 Jun 2023 09:00:12 GMT 52:38 6479f8c5d649ca00115a35b4 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6479f8c5d649ca00115a35b4 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 519-learning-evaluation-spotlight-series-dominica-mcbride Evaluation as a pathway for healing oppression full 5 19 For today’s first episode in our spotlight series on Learning and Evaluation, we talk to the indomitable Dr. Dominica McBride where we explore evaluation as a pathway for healing oppression, visioning and dreaming together what is possible, and how community can be involved our work. Exciting, right?! Tune in.


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]]> For today’s first episode in our spotlight series on Learning and Evaluation, we talk to the indomitable Dr. Dominica McBride where we explore evaluation as a pathway for healing oppression, visioning and dreaming together what is possible, and how community can be involved our work. Exciting, right?! Tune in.


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]]> 5.18: Mini Spotlight Series - Learning + Evaluation 5.18: Mini Spotlight Series - Learning + Evaluation Tue, 23 May 2023 09:00:52 GMT 5:53 64677e88c6d9020011832796 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 64677e88c6d9020011832796 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 518-mini-spotlight-series-learning-evaluation Interviews with leading Learning + Evaluation Practitioners full 5 18 The Outside is excited to be hosting a mini spotlight series on "Learning + Evaluation" for the month of June. Hosted by Tuesday Ryan-Hart and Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly, we’re shedding a light on one of key pillars of The Outside’s work, methods to support action learning!


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]]> The Outside is excited to be hosting a mini spotlight series on "Learning + Evaluation" for the month of June. Hosted by Tuesday Ryan-Hart and Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly, we’re shedding a light on one of key pillars of The Outside’s work, methods to support action learning!


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 5.17: Outside Tues + Tim 5.17: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 09 May 2023 09:00:35 GMT 38:20 645986daf6507e0011282fd4 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 645986daf6507e0011282fd4 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 517-outside-tues-tim-burning-man On Burning Man! full 5 17 Join Tuesday and Tim as they deep dive into the world of Burning Man! Burning Man is a radical attempt to create and experience an alternative society; a place where human generosity, creativity, and hard work are leading us to a different future. Sound familiar? Listen in.


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]]> Join Tuesday and Tim as they deep dive into the world of Burning Man! Burning Man is a radical attempt to create and experience an alternative society; a place where human generosity, creativity, and hard work are leading us to a different future. Sound familiar? Listen in.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 5.16: Outside Tues + Tim 5.16: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 25 Apr 2023 09:00:08 GMT 23:57 64466fcc510ea80011913370 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 64466fcc510ea80011913370 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 516-outside-tues-tim-complex-simple On complexity and simplicity full 5 16 Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their conversations with Meg Buzzi, Brandon Dubé, and Dr. Báyò Akómoláfé. These two sets of conversations offered up very different questions of change making, how to view the world, and how to orient toward the world in our work. We are inspired for what’s in front of us; we hope you are too!


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]]> Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their conversations with Meg Buzzi, Brandon Dubé, and Dr. Báyò Akómoláfé. These two sets of conversations offered up very different questions of change making, how to view the world, and how to orient toward the world in our work. We are inspired for what’s in front of us; we hope you are too!


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]]> 5.15: Outside Conversations with Dr. Báyò Akómoláfé 5.15: Outside Conversations with Dr. Báyò Akómoláfé Tue, 11 Apr 2023 09:00:25 GMT 44:54 642f10485f80b2001143bd64 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 642f10485f80b2001143bd64 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 515-outside-conversations-with-bayo-akomolafe An invitation to break the spell full 5 15 Tuesday and Tim are joined by Dr. Báyò Akómoláfé where they discuss ancestors and new gods, the concept of slushy time, the soul as “between,” the human as a map, how we show up in the world, and Báyò’s invitation to all of us. This is a brilliant - in EVERY sense of the word! - episode. Tune in.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by Dr. Báyò Akómoláfé where they discuss ancestors and new gods, the concept of slushy time, the soul as “between,” the human as a map, how we show up in the world, and Báyò’s invitation to all of us. This is a brilliant - in EVERY sense of the word! - episode. Tune in.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast


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]]> 5.14: Outside Conversations with Brandon Dubé + Meg Buzzi 5.14: Outside Conversations with Brandon Dubé + Meg Buzzi Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:00:31 GMT 47:47 64218acb6d29080011aca5f4 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 64218acb6d29080011aca5f4 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 514-outside-conversations-with-brandon-dube-meg-buzzi On what is possible in the present full 5 14 Tuesday and Tim are joined by co-founders of the Present of Work, Meg Buzzi and Brandon Dubé, where they introduce the Present of Work, the importance of pausing and reflecting on the reality of what people do and who they are, what becomes possible when we are open to surfacing those conversations and refocusing on the relational, and how investing in teams has an enormous impact on leadership's ability to carry out their long-term plans.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by co-founders of the Present of Work, Meg Buzzi and Brandon Dubé, where they introduce the Present of Work, the importance of pausing and reflecting on the reality of what people do and who they are, what becomes possible when we are open to surfacing those conversations and refocusing on the relational, and how investing in teams has an enormous impact on leadership's ability to carry out their long-term plans.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast



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]]> 5.13: Outside Tues + Tim 5.13: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 14 Mar 2023 09:00:44 GMT 34:16 6407732b5a27440011883e30 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6407732b5a27440011883e30 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 513-outside-tues-tim-emotional-labour On emotional labour full 5 13 Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their conversations with Natalie Williams, Alex Schneider, Tenneson Woolf and Quanita Roberson. These two sets of conversations brought forward some interesting insights into the different pathways toward racial justice, an exploration on the accepted dogma around emotional labour and what is ours to do. This is a juicy one, friends. Listen in and let us know what you think.


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]]> Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their conversations with Natalie Williams, Alex Schneider, Tenneson Woolf and Quanita Roberson. These two sets of conversations brought forward some interesting insights into the different pathways toward racial justice, an exploration on the accepted dogma around emotional labour and what is ours to do. This is a juicy one, friends. Listen in and let us know what you think.


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]]> 5.12: Outside Conversations with Tenneson Woolf + Quanita Roberson 5.12: Outside Conversations with Tenneson Woolf + Quanita Roberson Tue, 28 Feb 2023 10:00:09 GMT 59:49 63f79b2b886da70011137377 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 63f79b2b886da70011137377 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 512-outside-conversations-with-tenneson-quanita An invitation to something bigger full 5 12 Tuesday and Tim are joined by long-time friends and colleagues, Tenneson Woolf & Quanita Roberson, where they talk about their friendship, their backgrounds and work together, what surprises them about working as a cross-racial, cross-gender team and ancestral healing. This is a beautiful one, folks. Tune in.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by long-time friends and colleagues, Tenneson Woolf & Quanita Roberson, where they talk about their friendship, their backgrounds and work together, what surprises them about working as a cross-racial, cross-gender team and ancestral healing. This is a beautiful one, folks. Tune in.


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]]> 5.11: Outside Conversations with Alex Schneider + Natalie Williams 5.11: Outside Conversations with Alex Schneider + Natalie Williams Tue, 14 Feb 2023 13:14:13 GMT 45:37 63eb803582d6ca00115a2a98 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 63eb803582d6ca00115a2a98 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 511-outside-conversations-with-alex-schneider-natalie-willia On convening the collective imagination full 5 11 Tuesday and Tim are joined by Natalie Williams + Alex Schneider, advocates of social change, who talk about their work at The Wellbeing Blueprint, of reimagining a country where everyone has an opportunity for wellbeing.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by Natalie Williams + Alex Schneider, advocates of social change, who talk about their work at The Wellbeing Blueprint, of reimagining a country where everyone has an opportunity for wellbeing.


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]]> 5.10: Outside Conversations with Tuesday Ryan-Hart + Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly 5.10: Outside Conversations with Tuesday Ryan-Hart + Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly Thu, 09 Feb 2023 10:00:52 GMT 1:03:22 63dd42bc75704700113276d6 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 63dd42bc75704700113276d6 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 510-outside-conversations-with-tuesday-gabrielle We wrote a book chapter! full 5 10 On today's special episode of the pod, Tim and guest host, Sommer Sibilly-Brown, are excited and proud to chat with Tuesday and Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly about their recently published book chapter in the "Handbook for Creative Futures." Their chapter "Taking a Radical Stance for Complex Joy in the Work of Shaping Change" was a journey of pure love and joy (pun intended). Listen in to find out more.


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]]> On today's special episode of the pod, Tim and guest host, Sommer Sibilly-Brown, are excited and proud to chat with Tuesday and Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly about their recently published book chapter in the "Handbook for Creative Futures." Their chapter "Taking a Radical Stance for Complex Joy in the Work of Shaping Change" was a journey of pure love and joy (pun intended). Listen in to find out more.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 5.09: Outside Tues + Tim 5.09: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 31 Jan 2023 10:00:41 GMT 28:57 63d27b26c3c143001136783b false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 63d27b26c3c143001136783b 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 509-outside-tues-tim-serendipity On serendipity to success full 5 9 Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their conversations with Alex McCann, Shaun Rutland and Andrew Grant-Thomas. Three inspirational leaders who are very different but who all talked about their children and their serendipitous journey to the leaders they’ve become.


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]]> Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their conversations with Alex McCann, Shaun Rutland and Andrew Grant-Thomas. Three inspirational leaders who are very different but who all talked about their children and their serendipitous journey to the leaders they’ve become.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 5.08: Outside Conversations with Andrew Grant-Thomas 5.08: Outside Conversations with Andrew Grant-Thomas Tue, 17 Jan 2023 10:00:45 GMT 1:04:47 63c192422c42340011086eec false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 63c192422c42340011086eec 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 508-outside-conversations-with-andrew-grant-thomas On talking to kids about race, multiracial democracy and EmbraceRace full 5 8 Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend, co-founder and co-director of EmbraceRace, Andrew Grant-Thomas, to talk about the founding of EmbraceRace, its work in the world, the future of a multiracial democracy, advocacy and how we can talk (and listen!) to our children about race.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast


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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend, co-founder and co-director of EmbraceRace, Andrew Grant-Thomas, to talk about the founding of EmbraceRace, its work in the world, the future of a multiracial democracy, advocacy and how we can talk (and listen!) to our children about race.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast


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]]> 5.07: Outside Conversations with Shaun Rutland 5.07: Outside Conversations with Shaun Rutland Tue, 03 Jan 2023 10:00:25 GMT 51:53 63a3139f778aae0011be2d60 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 63a3139f778aae0011be2d60 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 507-outside-conversations-with-shaun-rutland On following your passion to success full 5 7 Tuesday and Tim are joined by Shaun Rutland, CEO and co-founder of Hutch, a video games company based in the UK and Nova Scotia. Together, they travel along a fascinating journey through his early life all the way to the founding of Hutch; including the type of leader he wants to become and the type of leader needed in the world right now.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by Shaun Rutland, CEO and co-founder of Hutch, a video games company based in the UK and Nova Scotia. Together, they travel along a fascinating journey through his early life all the way to the founding of Hutch; including the type of leader he wants to become and the type of leader needed in the world right now.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 5.06: Outside Conversations with Alex McCann 5.06: Outside Conversations with Alex McCann Tue, 13 Dec 2022 10:00:35 GMT 49:55 639223416f720900109587cc false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 639223416f720900109587cc 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 506-outside-conversations-with-alex-mccann On beliefs, power imbalances and leadership full 5 6 Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend, past Activating Change cohort participant and Executive Director of the Organization for Nova Scotia Innovation Driven Entrepreneurship, Alexandra (Alex) McCann, where they talk about her background, dedication to create innovation-driven entrepreneurial community in Nova Scotia, sustainable development, the difference between tied and untied aid, and what it’s like to be a woman of color leading innovation in the province.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend, past Activating Change cohort participant and Executive Director of the Organization for Nova Scotia Innovation Driven Entrepreneurship, Alexandra (Alex) McCann, where they talk about her background, dedication to create innovation-driven entrepreneurial community in Nova Scotia, sustainable development, the difference between tied and untied aid, and what it’s like to be a woman of color leading innovation in the province.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> PROMO: Find The Outside - Inspiration Series PROMO: Find The Outside - Inspiration Series Mon, 12 Dec 2022 10:00:33 GMT 3:22 639371b2394ca1001183590f false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 639371b2394ca1001183590f 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 promo-find-the-outside-inspiration-series full 5 We're excited for the next series in the pod - our "Inspiration Series." We thought this would be a great way to close out 2022 and ring in 2023. 

In the next three episodes, we interview some remarkable humans - Alex McCann, Shaun Rutland and Andrew Grant-Thomas. Enjoy!!!

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]]> We're excited for the next series in the pod - our "Inspiration Series." We thought this would be a great way to close out 2022 and ring in 2023. 

In the next three episodes, we interview some remarkable humans - Alex McCann, Shaun Rutland and Andrew Grant-Thomas. Enjoy!!!

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]]> 5.05: Outside Tues + Tim 5.05: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 29 Nov 2022 10:00:37 GMT 35:00 637f8c0b209f3800117259a1 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 637f8c0b209f3800117259a1 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 505-outside-tues-tim-relationships-to-privilege On our relationships to privilege full 5 5 Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their "Authors Series" - interviews with writers Zaid Hassan, Cyndi Suarez and Richard Beard - who are each trying to change the world in wildly different ways. In this episode, they explore what provoked them and the various different angles each of these "big brained" guests brought into privilege and into the scale, scope and depth of the work that we're trying to do in the world.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their "Authors Series" - interviews with writers Zaid Hassan, Cyndi Suarez and Richard Beard - who are each trying to change the world in wildly different ways. In this episode, they explore what provoked them and the various different angles each of these "big brained" guests brought into privilege and into the scale, scope and depth of the work that we're trying to do in the world.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 5.04: Outside Conversations with Richard Beard 5.04: Outside Conversations with Richard Beard Tue, 15 Nov 2022 10:00:35 GMT 1:05:20 636a8e0a9d753c0012b4a240 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 636a8e0a9d753c0012b4a240 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 504-outside-conversations-with-richard-beard On Sad Little Men full 5 4 Tuesday and Tim are joined by Richard Beard, author of Sad Little Men - Private Schools and the Ruin of England, where they deep dive into his book and the systemic impacts of leaders, trained in boarding schools, on our systems, services, structures, programs and infrastructure.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by Richard Beard, author of Sad Little Men - Private Schools and the Ruin of England, where they deep dive into his book and the systemic impacts of leaders, trained in boarding schools, on our systems, services, structures, programs and infrastructure.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 5.03: Outside Conversations with Cyndi Suarez 5.03: Outside Conversations with Cyndi Suarez Tue, 01 Nov 2022 09:00:58 GMT 1:01:30 635a7430431e130011b1b049 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 635a7430431e130011b1b049 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 503-outside-conversations-with-cyndi-suarez On innovation, racial justice, and edge leadership full 5 3 Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend, author and president and editor in chief of Nonprofit Quarterly, Cyndi Suarez, where they talk about her work in shifting the discourse in nonprofits toward many things: innovation, racial justice, and edge leadership. Cyndi is breaking new ground in how the sector is thinking about making change and is full of ideas and practices that challenges the way we typically think about things. This one is ground shaking, folks! Enjoy.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend, author and president and editor in chief of Nonprofit Quarterly, Cyndi Suarez, where they talk about her work in shifting the discourse in nonprofits toward many things: innovation, racial justice, and edge leadership. Cyndi is breaking new ground in how the sector is thinking about making change and is full of ideas and practices that challenges the way we typically think about things. This one is ground shaking, folks! Enjoy.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 5.02: Outside Conversations with Zaid Hassan 5.02: Outside Conversations with Zaid Hassan Tue, 18 Oct 2022 09:00:58 GMT 54:55 63494c005915cf001206eb06 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 63494c005915cf001206eb06 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 502-outside-conversations-with-zaid-hassan The maturing practice of complexity full 5 2 Tuesday and Tim are joined by CEO of 10-in-10 and author of The Social Labs Revolution, Zaid Hassan, where they talk about invitations into work, how consultants can (or can not!) affect change, what 10-in-10 is doing differently to reinvent the future, and what drives Zaid to tackle the complex challenges of our times.


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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by CEO of 10-in-10 and author of The Social Labs Revolution, Zaid Hassan, where they talk about invitations into work, how consultants can (or can not!) affect change, what 10-in-10 is doing differently to reinvent the future, and what drives Zaid to tackle the complex challenges of our times.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 5.01: Outside Tues + Tim 5.01: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 04 Oct 2022 09:00:32 GMT 28:02 6335ab63559a970014e24256 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6335ab63559a970014e24256 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 501-outside-tues-tim-season-5-opener Season 5 [million]… here we gooooooo! full 5 1 Here we go, friends! Tim and Tuesday are back for Season 5 of the podcast. In this season opener, they talk about what they’ve been up this summer [hint: Burning of the Man was involved!] and highlight some of the awesome people they’re interviewing. Join us for another inspiring new season of conversations.


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]]> Here we go, friends! Tim and Tuesday are back for Season 5 of the podcast. In this season opener, they talk about what they’ve been up this summer [hint: Burning of the Man was involved!] and highlight some of the awesome people they’re interviewing. Join us for another inspiring new season of conversations.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 4.15: Outside Tues + Tim 4.15: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 19 Jul 2022 09:00:09 GMT 27:22 62d02ed706852b0015260f85 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 62d02ed706852b0015260f85 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 415-outside-tues-tim-mentorship Mentorship That Matters full 4 15 Join Tuesday and Tim on their season finale episode where they reflect on their conversation with long-time friend and mentor, Toke Moeller - his personal presence, practice, knowledge, reflection, depth and grounding - it’s all in this one, folks! We also dive into what you can expect for Season 5. Hint: It’s going to be full of more amazing conversations!


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]]> Join Tuesday and Tim on their season finale episode where they reflect on their conversation with long-time friend and mentor, Toke Moeller - his personal presence, practice, knowledge, reflection, depth and grounding - it’s all in this one, folks! We also dive into what you can expect for Season 5. Hint: It’s going to be full of more amazing conversations!


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast



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]]> 4.14: Outside Conversations with Toke Moeller 4.14: Outside Conversations with Toke Moeller Tue, 05 Jul 2022 09:00:06 GMT 52:29 62bd92a954dec20012fc3c07 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 62bd92a954dec20012fc3c07 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 414-outside-conversations-with-toke-moeller On the practices that allow opposites to exist full 4 14 Tuesday and Tim are joined by long-time friend, and mentor, Toke Moeller, co-founder of the Art of Hosting, The Flow Game, and The Practising for Peace dojo. Toke is one of the most grounded, pragmatic and visionary leaders we know. The conversation dives deep into the practices which can serve you both personally, professionally, and collectively, the need to slow down in the face of urgency, the understanding, practicing, and seeking of wisdom, the building of capacity to build more capacity for future generations, and how you can connect to the momentum from, what Toke calls, "Life Force."


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by long-time friend, and mentor, Toke Moeller, co-founder of the Art of Hosting, The Flow Game, and The Practising for Peace dojo. Toke is one of the most grounded, pragmatic and visionary leaders we know. The conversation dives deep into the practices which can serve you both personally, professionally, and collectively, the need to slow down in the face of urgency, the understanding, practicing, and seeking of wisdom, the building of capacity to build more capacity for future generations, and how you can connect to the momentum from, what Toke calls, "Life Force."


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 4.13: Outside Tues + Tim 4.13: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 21 Jun 2022 09:00:19 GMT 24:52 62b06b36e6630c0012034f5a false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 62b06b36e6630c0012034f5a 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 413-outside-tues-tim-good-people On good people in broken systems full 4 13 Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their conversations with Pascal Porchet and Carolyn Townsend. They dive into all things systems change - language, personal transformation, heartbreak, hope, and the amazing people doing good work in broken systems every day.


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]]> Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their conversations with Pascal Porchet and Carolyn Townsend. They dive into all things systems change - language, personal transformation, heartbreak, hope, and the amazing people doing good work in broken systems every day.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 4.12: Outside Conversations with Pascal Porchet 4.12: Outside Conversations with Pascal Porchet Tue, 07 Jun 2022 09:00:15 GMT 54:28 629a014830a613001348c30c false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 629a014830a613001348c30c 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 412-outside-conversations-with-pascal-porchet On the vulnerabilities of change full 4 12 Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend and colleague, Pascal Porchet, Chief of Staff for the International Committee of the Red Cross’ (ICRC) Global Operations. Tune in to hear how he navigates massive organizational transformation and the management of 15,000 staff world wide. This is a remarkable window into the life of a senior leader who engages with organizational top-down and bottom-up pressures, launching local interventions within the context of the global geopolitical landscape. Listen in to hear about Pascal's personal journey of transformation and his top tips for leading large scale change.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend and colleague, Pascal Porchet, Chief of Staff for the International Committee of the Red Cross’ (ICRC) Global Operations. Tune in to hear how he navigates massive organizational transformation and the management of 15,000 staff world wide. This is a remarkable window into the life of a senior leader who engages with organizational top-down and bottom-up pressures, launching local interventions within the context of the global geopolitical landscape. Listen in to hear about Pascal's personal journey of transformation and his top tips for leading large scale change.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 4.11: Outside Conversations with Carolyn Townsend 4.11: Outside Conversations with Carolyn Townsend Tue, 24 May 2022 09:00:41 GMT 50:06 6287881b531b3d00122ce9d7 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6287881b531b3d00122ce9d7 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 411-outside-conversations-with-carolyn-townsend On the sport of systems change full 4 11 There are people trailblazing new paths and there are good people working in broken systems trying to make change. Both are needed. Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend and past client, Carolyn Townsend, principal owner of Alongside Strategy & Innovation and co-founder of the Future of Hockey Lab. They discuss the opportunities for, and barriers to, accessible sport in Nova Scotia, the challenges of "systems change" nebulous language, and the power and vulnerability of optimism and hope.


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]]> There are people trailblazing new paths and there are good people working in broken systems trying to make change. Both are needed. Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend and past client, Carolyn Townsend, principal owner of Alongside Strategy & Innovation and co-founder of the Future of Hockey Lab. They discuss the opportunities for, and barriers to, accessible sport in Nova Scotia, the challenges of "systems change" nebulous language, and the power and vulnerability of optimism and hope.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 4.10: Outside Tues + Tim 4.10: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 10 May 2022 09:00:46 GMT 29:04 627545c616295e0012188d46 true https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 627545c616295e0012188d46 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 410-outside-tues-tim-not-allowing-silence Not allowing silence full 4 10 Join Tuesday and Tim as they talk about what's up for them personally and professionally and reflect on the recent conversations with systems change duos from Reos Partners South Africa and The Systems Sanctuary - Colleen Magner, Mahmood Sonday, Rachel Sinha, and Tatiana Fraser. Tim brings some pretty provocative statements in this one, folks! It’s juicy. Tune in.


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]]> Join Tuesday and Tim as they talk about what's up for them personally and professionally and reflect on the recent conversations with systems change duos from Reos Partners South Africa and The Systems Sanctuary - Colleen Magner, Mahmood Sonday, Rachel Sinha, and Tatiana Fraser. Tim brings some pretty provocative statements in this one, folks! It’s juicy. Tune in.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 4.09: Outside Convrsations with Colleen Magner + Mahmood Sonday 4.09: Outside Convrsations with Colleen Magner + Mahmood Sonday Tue, 26 Apr 2022 09:00:29 GMT 59:57 6262a0b68c8aea00129e4cf4 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6262a0b68c8aea00129e4cf4 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 409-outside-convrsations-with-colleen-magner-mahmood-sonday On bending the arc of change full 4 9 Join Tim and Tuesday for a session with Colleen Magner and Mahmood Sonday, leaders of Reos Partners South Africa, who give us a remarkable insight into change making 30 years after the end of Apartheid. 


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]]> Join Tim and Tuesday for a session with Colleen Magner and Mahmood Sonday, leaders of Reos Partners South Africa, who give us a remarkable insight into change making 30 years after the end of Apartheid. 


For detailed show notes, bios, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 4.08: Outside Conversations with Rachel Sinha + Tatiana Fraser 4.08: Outside Conversations with Rachel Sinha + Tatiana Fraser Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:00:17 GMT 46:40 62506b9558911600148f5eb1 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 62506b9558911600148f5eb1 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 408-outside-conversations-with-rachel-sinha-tatiana-fraser Sanctuary for the Trail Blazers full 4 8 Where are the islands of sanity in the midst of this modern mayhem? Where can I catch my breath, see the bigger picture and prioritize my next strategic steps? Join Rachel Sinha and Tatiana Fraser, the co-founders of The Systems Sanctuary, in their conversation with Tuesday and Tim. The four of them share stories of their work and explore some key learnings on the ascendency of relationships, peer learning as a strategy, how power plays out in a systems analysis, why they bring a feminist analysis and lens to their work, and how depth and connection bring joy into the work.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Where are the islands of sanity in the midst of this modern mayhem? Where can I catch my breath, see the bigger picture and prioritize my next strategic steps? Join Rachel Sinha and Tatiana Fraser, the co-founders of The Systems Sanctuary, in their conversation with Tuesday and Tim. The four of them share stories of their work and explore some key learnings on the ascendency of relationships, peer learning as a strategy, how power plays out in a systems analysis, why they bring a feminist analysis and lens to their work, and how depth and connection bring joy into the work.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 4.07: Outside Tues + Tim 4.07: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 29 Mar 2022 09:00:28 GMT 35:01 6241a7660d559000154b9ea1 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6241a7660d559000154b9ea1 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 407-outside-tues-tim-public-health-leaders On our conversations with public health leaders full 4 7 Public Health Leaders have been on the forefront on change over the last 2 years. They've had to rise to the inherent complexity of our times and deliver within the medical, community, and political arenas. Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their interviews with public health leaders in Canada and the US. They talk about what COVID has brought to the surface for these leaders - and public health in general, what they’ve learned through these interviews, and why we should be shouting all of this from the rooftops.


For detailed show notes, links, and resources please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Public Health Leaders have been on the forefront on change over the last 2 years. They've had to rise to the inherent complexity of our times and deliver within the medical, community, and political arenas. Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their interviews with public health leaders in Canada and the US. They talk about what COVID has brought to the surface for these leaders - and public health in general, what they’ve learned through these interviews, and why we should be shouting all of this from the rooftops.


For detailed show notes, links, and resources please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 4.06: Outside Conversations with Minnesota Public Health Leaders 4.06: Outside Conversations with Minnesota Public Health Leaders Tue, 15 Mar 2022 09:00:30 GMT 45:28 622f688a1ab57a00147efc60 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 622f688a1ab57a00147efc60 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 406-outside-conversations-with-minnesota-public-health-lead Grit + Grace: Leading in Public Health full 4 6

Tuesday and Tim continue their public health series - this time with a Midwestern US perspective - where they are joined by public health professionals, Kim Milbrath, Becky Sechrist, and Sarah Reece.


Together they explore, “what is leadership in these times?” Hear from these senior leaders in public health navigating the public opinions and political pressures of COVID in Minnesota, where George Floyd was murdered. Race, politics, activism, strategy, evidence based decisions, rapid responsiveness, courage and good humour all show up as the ingredients in these brilliant leaders lives and work. If you want to hear what it's like to be on the leading edge at this time, tune in. There are no better teachers than those who are DOING IT RIGHT NOW.


For detailed show notes, links, and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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Tuesday and Tim continue their public health series - this time with a Midwestern US perspective - where they are joined by public health professionals, Kim Milbrath, Becky Sechrist, and Sarah Reece.


Together they explore, “what is leadership in these times?” Hear from these senior leaders in public health navigating the public opinions and political pressures of COVID in Minnesota, where George Floyd was murdered. Race, politics, activism, strategy, evidence based decisions, rapid responsiveness, courage and good humour all show up as the ingredients in these brilliant leaders lives and work. If you want to hear what it's like to be on the leading edge at this time, tune in. There are no better teachers than those who are DOING IT RIGHT NOW.


For detailed show notes, links, and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 4.05: Outside Tues + Tim 4.05: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 01 Mar 2022 12:34:06 GMT 32:38 621e12be3ee6b6001234f1d9 true https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 621e12be3ee6b6001234f1d9 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 405-outside-tues-tim On Strategy, Body, and Spirit full 4 5 Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on the last three episodes of the pod with dear friends and mentors, Adam Kahane, Arawana Hayashi & Margaret Wheatley. Tune in to hear how these three leaders continue to influence the field of systems change, how they’re informing Tim and Tuesday’s personal and professional journeys, and how it’s all interwoven. 


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on the last three episodes of the pod with dear friends and mentors, Adam Kahane, Arawana Hayashi & Margaret Wheatley. Tune in to hear how these three leaders continue to influence the field of systems change, how they’re informing Tim and Tuesday’s personal and professional journeys, and how it’s all interwoven. 


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 4.05: Outside Tues + Tim 4.05: Outside Tues + Tim Tue, 01 Mar 2022 12:23:13 GMT 32:38 621e1031c73d83001321f18a true https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 621e1031c73d83001321f18a 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 405-outside-tues-tim-strategybodyspirit On Strategy, Body, and Spirit full 4 5 Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on the last three episodes of the pod with dear friends and mentors, Adam Kahane, Arawana Hayashi & Margaret Wheatley. Tune in to hear how these three leaders continue to influence the field of systems change, how they’re informing Tim and Tuesday’s personal and professional journeys, and how it’s all interwoven. 


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on the last three episodes of the pod with dear friends and mentors, Adam Kahane, Arawana Hayashi & Margaret Wheatley. Tune in to hear how these three leaders continue to influence the field of systems change, how they’re informing Tim and Tuesday’s personal and professional journeys, and how it’s all interwoven. 


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 4.04: Outside Conversations with Margaret Wheatley 4.04: Outside Conversations with Margaret Wheatley Tue, 15 Feb 2022 10:00:46 GMT 1:04:25 620137ae37c14600138ba1f2 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 620137ae37c14600138ba1f2 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 404-outside-conversations-with-margaret-wheatley On The Warrior’s Songline full 4 4 Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend and mentor, Margaret (Meg) Wheatley, co-founder and president of The Berkana Institute, where she talks about the journey of her new work - a multi-sensory experience - The Warrior’s Songline, the natural world, and the recognition that memories, history, and information that we need are in the land.


Tim, Tuesday and Meg discuss the foundations of friendship, warrior training, the cultural appropriation pushback The Warrior’s Songline has received, anthropocentrism, the work and joy of surrendering and opening to what is possible, the distinction between using confusion as a defence strategy and not knowing as a life stance, and what humans are capable of creating when we work together with a good spirit, good listening, and generosity.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend and mentor, Margaret (Meg) Wheatley, co-founder and president of The Berkana Institute, where she talks about the journey of her new work - a multi-sensory experience - The Warrior’s Songline, the natural world, and the recognition that memories, history, and information that we need are in the land.


Tim, Tuesday and Meg discuss the foundations of friendship, warrior training, the cultural appropriation pushback The Warrior’s Songline has received, anthropocentrism, the work and joy of surrendering and opening to what is possible, the distinction between using confusion as a defence strategy and not knowing as a life stance, and what humans are capable of creating when we work together with a good spirit, good listening, and generosity.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 4.03: Outside Conversations with Arawana Hayashi 4.03: Outside Conversations with Arawana Hayashi Tue, 01 Feb 2022 10:00:54 GMT 1:00:14 61f417b9079a610012a5c8d5 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 61f417b9079a610012a5c8d5 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 403-outside-conversations-with-arawana-hayashi On listening to the wisdom of our bodies full 4 3 Tuesday and Tim are joined by Arawana Hayashi, founder of the Social Presencing Theater, where she talks about the wisdom in bringing forward our embodied intelligence to guide our relationships and systems change work, how The Outside (and you!) can highlight collective body intelligence in its work, and the practice of listening into one’s own - or social - body.


Tuesday, Tim and Arawana discuss the suspension of judgement to embrace our sense of being, leading from an emerging future, what’s needed for the conversations, and practices, around issues of race and equity, the care that’s needed to see one another's unique humanness and an invitation to open the conversation of our ‘unknowing.’


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by Arawana Hayashi, founder of the Social Presencing Theater, where she talks about the wisdom in bringing forward our embodied intelligence to guide our relationships and systems change work, how The Outside (and you!) can highlight collective body intelligence in its work, and the practice of listening into one’s own - or social - body.


Tuesday, Tim and Arawana discuss the suspension of judgement to embrace our sense of being, leading from an emerging future, what’s needed for the conversations, and practices, around issues of race and equity, the care that’s needed to see one another's unique humanness and an invitation to open the conversation of our ‘unknowing.’


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 4.02: Outside Conversations with Adam Kahane 4.02: Outside Conversations with Adam Kahane Tue, 18 Jan 2022 10:00:06 GMT 1:01:31 61e5655def1b2d00121e402c false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 61e5655def1b2d00121e402c 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 402-outside-conversations-with-adam-kahane On Facilitating Breakthrough full 4 2 Tuesday and Tim are joined by long-time friend, mentor, author, and thought leader, Adam Kahane, Director of Reos Partners, where he talks about the inspiration and reasons for writing his most recent book, Facilitating Breakthrough: How to Remove Obstacles, Bridge Differences, and Move Forward Together. 


Tuesday, Tim and Adam discuss transformative facilitation - putting the pragmatic in the centre of the work, Adam’s broadened definition of facilitator, the importance of removing obstacles to and the understanding of love, power, and justice, the learnings gained through practice and failure, and the core practice of paying attention.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by long-time friend, mentor, author, and thought leader, Adam Kahane, Director of Reos Partners, where he talks about the inspiration and reasons for writing his most recent book, Facilitating Breakthrough: How to Remove Obstacles, Bridge Differences, and Move Forward Together. 


Tuesday, Tim and Adam discuss transformative facilitation - putting the pragmatic in the centre of the work, Adam’s broadened definition of facilitator, the importance of removing obstacles to and the understanding of love, power, and justice, the learnings gained through practice and failure, and the core practice of paying attention.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 4.01: Outside Tues + Tim - On the Outside Conversations of Season 4 4.01: Outside Tues + Tim - On the Outside Conversations of Season 4 Tue, 04 Jan 2022 10:00:00 GMT 15:04 61d35bc2fb99340013583856 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 61d35bc2fb99340013583856 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 401-outside-tues-tim-on-the-outside-conversations full 4 1 They’re back! In the first episode of season four, Tim and Tuesday chat through what you can expect for Season 4. From interviews with mentors and elders in the field, to clients working to make change, to Tim & Tuesday’s professional and personal journeys. This is a short one but it's chock-full! Join us for an invigorating, insightful, and inspiring new season.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast



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]]> They’re back! In the first episode of season four, Tim and Tuesday chat through what you can expect for Season 4. From interviews with mentors and elders in the field, to clients working to make change, to Tim & Tuesday’s professional and personal journeys. This is a short one but it's chock-full! Join us for an invigorating, insightful, and inspiring new season.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast



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]]> <![CDATA[Outside Conversations with Dr. Robert Strang, Nova Scotia's Chief Medical Officer of Health ]]> Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:00:14 GMT 34:34 61b7e9e0e1c4aa00147a7b31 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 61b7e9e0e1c4aa00147a7b31 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 outside-conversations-with-dr-robert-strang On personal leadership, the pandemic and public health full 4 Tuesday and Tim are joined by Dr. Robert Strang, Nova Scotia's Chief Medical Officer of Health, where they discuss the topic on EVERYONE'S MIND these days, COVID (and the Omicron variant!), his personal leadership, and public health. As the one leading the charge of the response to the COVID-19 pandemic in Nova Scotia, how does he continue to hold his centre and what is he learning?


About Dr. Robert Strang:

Dr. Robert Strang is Chief Medical Officer of Health in Nova Scotia appointed in August 2007. He received his medical degree from University of British Columbia (UBC) and completed Family Practice and Public Health and Preventive Medicine residencies at UBC.


As Chief Medical Officer of Health, he has provided leadership around the renewal of the public health system in Nova Scotia as well as raising awareness around the importance of creating policies and environments that support better health for Nova Scotian families and communities.


He is passionate about public health and has worked with non-government organizations such as Smoke Free Nova Scotia, Heart and Stroke Foundation and Public Health Association of Nova Scotia.


Dr. Strang has an adjunct appointment with Dalhousie University, Department of Community Health and Epidemiology.


Resources:

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]]> Tuesday and Tim are joined by Dr. Robert Strang, Nova Scotia's Chief Medical Officer of Health, where they discuss the topic on EVERYONE'S MIND these days, COVID (and the Omicron variant!), his personal leadership, and public health. As the one leading the charge of the response to the COVID-19 pandemic in Nova Scotia, how does he continue to hold his centre and what is he learning?


About Dr. Robert Strang:

Dr. Robert Strang is Chief Medical Officer of Health in Nova Scotia appointed in August 2007. He received his medical degree from University of British Columbia (UBC) and completed Family Practice and Public Health and Preventive Medicine residencies at UBC.


As Chief Medical Officer of Health, he has provided leadership around the renewal of the public health system in Nova Scotia as well as raising awareness around the importance of creating policies and environments that support better health for Nova Scotian families and communities.


He is passionate about public health and has worked with non-government organizations such as Smoke Free Nova Scotia, Heart and Stroke Foundation and Public Health Association of Nova Scotia.


Dr. Strang has an adjunct appointment with Dalhousie University, Department of Community Health and Epidemiology.


Resources:

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]]> Season 4: In your ears in January 2022 Season 4: In your ears in January 2022 Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:00:50 GMT 2:08 6176c39ff62eb80013740735 false http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6176c39ff62eb80013740735 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 season-4-promo trailer 4 Arawana Hayashi, Adam Kahane and Margaret Wheatley... to name a few. In the meantime, listen to past episodes or take one of The Outside's online courses. 

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]]> Arawana Hayashi, Adam Kahane and Margaret Wheatley... to name a few. In the meantime, listen to past episodes or take one of The Outside's online courses. 

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]]> Season 4: In your ears in January 2022 Season 4: In your ears in January 2022 Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:00:49 GMT 2:08 6176bfa90f6037001405453d false http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6176bfa90f6037001405453d 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 season-4-in-your-ears trailer 4 Arawana Hayashi, Adam Kahane and Margaret Wheatley... to name a few. In the meantime, listen to past episodes or take one of The Outside's online courses. 

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]]> Arawana Hayashi, Adam Kahane and Margaret Wheatley... to name a few. In the meantime, listen to past episodes or take one of The Outside's online courses. 

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]]> 3.19: Stop, Collaborate + Listen - TO is here with the finale edition 3.19: Stop, Collaborate + Listen - TO is here with the finale edition Tue, 22 Jun 2021 09:00:53 GMT 40:05 60d0a1cd14288700128bd43c false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 60d0a1cd14288700128bd43c 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 319-stop-collaborate-listen Season three’s final episode has Tim and Tuesday reflecting on the impact of COVID on our lives and work. What do we need to shed to truly renew? Season three ends with a bang! full 3 19 Season three’s final episode has Tim and Tuesday reflecting on the impact of COVID on our lives and work. What do we need to shed to truly renew? Season three ends with a bang!


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]]> Season three’s final episode has Tim and Tuesday reflecting on the impact of COVID on our lives and work. What do we need to shed to truly renew? Season three ends with a bang!


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 3.18: Pivot Ahead - On feedback from our listeners - What we heard + What’s to come 3.18: Pivot Ahead - On feedback from our listeners - What we heard + What’s to come Tue, 08 Jun 2021 09:00:47 GMT 54:08 60be5237c1654f0019309dce false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 60be5237c1654f0019309dce 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 318-pivot-ahead full 3 18 Tim & Tuesday are joined by fellow Outsider, Jermaine Henry, where they reflect together on feedback from our listeners and brainstorm the possibilities of the podcast moving forward. Hint - Jermaine will be involved!


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]]> Tim & Tuesday are joined by fellow Outsider, Jermaine Henry, where they reflect together on feedback from our listeners and brainstorm the possibilities of the podcast moving forward. Hint - Jermaine will be involved!


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> <![CDATA[3.17: Oil Change - On creating the conditions for change & equity]]> Tue, 25 May 2021 09:00:12 GMT 55:09 60ac3cf07a5ead0013a34624 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 60ac3cf07a5ead0013a34624 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 317-oil-change Change is on everywhere! This week we hear from Matt Hall, Founder and CEO of Agile Geoscience. He talks about changes they are leading in the energy sector and we get to compare notes from our work. full 3 17 Change is on everywhere! This week we hear from Matt Hall, Founder and CEO of Agile Geoscience. He talks about changes they are leading in the energy sector and we get to compare notes from our work. Join us for an engaging, provocative and fun dialogue where worlds collide!


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]]> Change is on everywhere! This week we hear from Matt Hall, Founder and CEO of Agile Geoscience. He talks about changes they are leading in the energy sector and we get to compare notes from our work. Join us for an engaging, provocative and fun dialogue where worlds collide!


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> <![CDATA[3.16: Two Is Better Than One - On Experience, Expansion & Expectations ]]> Tue, 11 May 2021 09:00:21 GMT 38:36 6095b6bfca6c3643143d0d76 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6095b6bfca6c3643143d0d76 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 e316-two-is-better-than-one “Does it always have to be the two of you together?” Dive in with Tim, Tuesday and their business coach, Francis Baldwin, as they respond to this very provocative question. full 3 16 “Does it always have to be the two of you together?” Dive in with Tim, Tuesday and their business coach, Francis Baldwin, as they respond to this very provocative question.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


3.16 — SHOW NOTES


  • Tuesday: Today on the podcast we have Frances Baldwin, who is the business coach to Tim and I; an Outsider by proxy. Frances has helped us as we look at the organization, as we think about what we each want individually, and collectively, for The Outside. We thought we would have Frances on today after a recent conversation we had around the direction of the organization but specifically around Tim and I and our relationship. We’re calling this podcast “Two Is Better Than One” because Frances asked us a very provocative question” “does it always have to be you two together? Could you begin to think about splitting up?” Tim and I came back with a pretty emphatic “no.”


  • Frances: It is always an experience to come to The Outside. I feel like I must be nimble every time I’m with you. It’s a good thing. I’m looking to how to bring my wisdom but also be flexible in how to use it and how it applies. I am particularly interested in looking at what we learned from the past, that’s not negotiable, that is still a part of the future.


  • Tuesday: As we were thinking about needing a coach, you came to both of our minds. Frances knows a lot about foundational Organizational Development concepts - she has won a Lifetime Achievement Award for her contributions to the Field of Organizational Development. Your background in Gestalt, for me as a former psychotherapist, also increased my confidence that you could attend to what’s happening with the organization, what’s happening for us personally within the organization as well as these different parts and how they fit together. 


  • Frances: My Gestalt training brought everything together for me. I also won the Gestalt Lifetime Achievement Award. That meant so much to me because it was like a transformation that affects my work and how I live and walk in the world. It gives me comfort, assurance and a pathway into the work that I do. 


  • Tim: This question of ‘two is better than one’ goes back to why we started the organization. I started this organization as a way to hang out with my friend, Tuesday. We think about The Outside as a feasting table where people we love can come together and grow and be nourished and enjoy each other’s company. The depth of learning, as we [Tuesday and Tim] work together across our differences, has been one of the most generative experiences of my life and is also recurrently pointed to as something of the generative energy and engine behind The Outside as an organization. 


  • Tuesday: I’m with you 100% - delivery is better when we are together. We have very different perspectives. We catch different things and because we do systems change with equity at the centre, having to work across that difference, in every project, lends us both practical experience and credibility. It’s better for the work itself and it somehow lends depth and credibility to our learning over and over again. 


  • Frances: The understanding I came to on this was that you complement each other but you don’t replicate each other. That means that the two of you together create a wholeness that you bring to the work. If you were to work separately, that would not be the case. There is a spiritual dimension to the existence of The Outside and how you work and who you attract. When you talk about your relationship it is very seldom that you can find a friend or colleague that you can work with and be your whole self. 


  • Tim: I think where we’re landing in terms of how The Outside might expand or be able to respond to the number and range and scope and scale of requests that we’re receiving is that rather than dividing Tues and I, we’d like to build teams that are able to respond to the circumstances. Tues and I have had this image of being able to build teams somewhat in the image of what we have with each other - of them being across race, class, gender, nationality, upbringing - and then I am also hearing you [Frances] say the word ‘rare’ a number of times and pointing to the synchronicity in that these partnerships are very hard to contrive…. but our business model may demand that we contrive that a little bit. I’m wondering if that is an unrealistic expectation to set for ourselves? You can’t organize magic, can you?!


  • Frances: If you could replicate your partnership then that would be the answer to how you grow and expand the leadership or expand the number of people within the organization doing that kind of work. The grounding piece of that would be attracting people who have the same values because once you attract them than it allows you to have confidence that they can do the work. The practical question around that has to be the timing by which you create these additional partners. 


  • Tuesday: I feel like it is absolutely a timing issue. I feel like every other thing we’ve said, we’ve done. When we put our stake in the ground, things happen but it is a question of timing. Can they sign on to the principles of The Outside, are they committed to the work, do they like the people because these relationship pieces seem to be key - it’s what keeps all of us working a bit too hard and on our edge. 


  • Tim: Gabrielle [Donnelly], who works with us, has flagged the importance of how central the quality of relationships is both to the loyalty that is engendered to The Outside among Outsiders but also to the experience that clients have with us. I also feel like one of the things I am struggling with is that the first Retrospective was client focused and the second Retrospective was internal focused and we have not stopped to question what we [Tim & Tuesday] want as founders. 


  • Frances: Tim, you’ve just described the struggles and pain of change for The Outside and so the question becomes, “what are we willing to sacrifice to create what’s going to be necessary?” The two of you are leaders but you’re also contributors. A part of the joy in the work for you is that engagement with clients, watching the progress that the clients make, is that ability to deal with that resistance yourself… so you feed on that and in order for the organization to grow there must be some pause where you are trying to help other people to develop.


  • Tuesday: I’m curious if my expectations, of what this kind of leadership looks like, are realistic? This idea of sacrifice feels like it’s up in all sorts of places in my life. What am I learning about that liminal space? Are we moving in the direction we want to be moving in?


  • Frances: What do you [we] want to bring to the world? This would require you to think about where you are now as seeding what you ultimately want to be able to offer to the world.


  • Tim: We started this off saying that I want us to be small, niche and very high quality. That belief might be shifting in me. I feel the generative power of what we are doing. 


  • Tuesday: I think part of the work we’ve done, in some ways, really fed my ambition. I think small, niche and very high quality still makes sense to me if I think that is all we could do. I’d rather be small, niche and very high quality if we couldn’t be bigger and do really good quality but I find that the work we’re in and the people (Outsiders and clients) we’re working with is something that runs my ambition. I am willing and want to do something more ambitious. 


  • Frances: One of the discoveries/insights that is opening up is that what you do actually works. Wouldn’t it be great if it could work for more and more people. The way that you will expand will be as unique as you are as an organization. 


Song: “How Deep Is Your Love,” by PJ Morton


Quote: “Don’t only practice your art. But force your way into its secrets. For it and knowledge can raise men to the Divine.” - Ludwig Van Beethoven


New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com 


Find the songs we’ve played on the podcast - on our playlist. Or search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 38:37

Produced by: Mark Coffin 

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: The Outside 

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]]> “Does it always have to be the two of you together?” Dive in with Tim, Tuesday and their business coach, Francis Baldwin, as they respond to this very provocative question.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


3.16 — SHOW NOTES


  • Tuesday: Today on the podcast we have Frances Baldwin, who is the business coach to Tim and I; an Outsider by proxy. Frances has helped us as we look at the organization, as we think about what we each want individually, and collectively, for The Outside. We thought we would have Frances on today after a recent conversation we had around the direction of the organization but specifically around Tim and I and our relationship. We’re calling this podcast “Two Is Better Than One” because Frances asked us a very provocative question” “does it always have to be you two together? Could you begin to think about splitting up?” Tim and I came back with a pretty emphatic “no.”


  • Frances: It is always an experience to come to The Outside. I feel like I must be nimble every time I’m with you. It’s a good thing. I’m looking to how to bring my wisdom but also be flexible in how to use it and how it applies. I am particularly interested in looking at what we learned from the past, that’s not negotiable, that is still a part of the future.


  • Tuesday: As we were thinking about needing a coach, you came to both of our minds. Frances knows a lot about foundational Organizational Development concepts - she has won a Lifetime Achievement Award for her contributions to the Field of Organizational Development. Your background in Gestalt, for me as a former psychotherapist, also increased my confidence that you could attend to what’s happening with the organization, what’s happening for us personally within the organization as well as these different parts and how they fit together. 


  • Frances: My Gestalt training brought everything together for me. I also won the Gestalt Lifetime Achievement Award. That meant so much to me because it was like a transformation that affects my work and how I live and walk in the world. It gives me comfort, assurance and a pathway into the work that I do. 


  • Tim: This question of ‘two is better than one’ goes back to why we started the organization. I started this organization as a way to hang out with my friend, Tuesday. We think about The Outside as a feasting table where people we love can come together and grow and be nourished and enjoy each other’s company. The depth of learning, as we [Tuesday and Tim] work together across our differences, has been one of the most generative experiences of my life and is also recurrently pointed to as something of the generative energy and engine behind The Outside as an organization. 


  • Tuesday: I’m with you 100% - delivery is better when we are together. We have very different perspectives. We catch different things and because we do systems change with equity at the centre, having to work across that difference, in every project, lends us both practical experience and credibility. It’s better for the work itself and it somehow lends depth and credibility to our learning over and over again. 


  • Frances: The understanding I came to on this was that you complement each other but you don’t replicate each other. That means that the two of you together create a wholeness that you bring to the work. If you were to work separately, that would not be the case. There is a spiritual dimension to the existence of The Outside and how you work and who you attract. When you talk about your relationship it is very seldom that you can find a friend or colleague that you can work with and be your whole self. 


  • Tim: I think where we’re landing in terms of how The Outside might expand or be able to respond to the number and range and scope and scale of requests that we’re receiving is that rather than dividing Tues and I, we’d like to build teams that are able to respond to the circumstances. Tues and I have had this image of being able to build teams somewhat in the image of what we have with each other - of them being across race, class, gender, nationality, upbringing - and then I am also hearing you [Frances] say the word ‘rare’ a number of times and pointing to the synchronicity in that these partnerships are very hard to contrive…. but our business model may demand that we contrive that a little bit. I’m wondering if that is an unrealistic expectation to set for ourselves? You can’t organize magic, can you?!


  • Frances: If you could replicate your partnership then that would be the answer to how you grow and expand the leadership or expand the number of people within the organization doing that kind of work. The grounding piece of that would be attracting people who have the same values because once you attract them than it allows you to have confidence that they can do the work. The practical question around that has to be the timing by which you create these additional partners. 


  • Tuesday: I feel like it is absolutely a timing issue. I feel like every other thing we’ve said, we’ve done. When we put our stake in the ground, things happen but it is a question of timing. Can they sign on to the principles of The Outside, are they committed to the work, do they like the people because these relationship pieces seem to be key - it’s what keeps all of us working a bit too hard and on our edge. 


  • Tim: Gabrielle [Donnelly], who works with us, has flagged the importance of how central the quality of relationships is both to the loyalty that is engendered to The Outside among Outsiders but also to the experience that clients have with us. I also feel like one of the things I am struggling with is that the first Retrospective was client focused and the second Retrospective was internal focused and we have not stopped to question what we [Tim & Tuesday] want as founders. 


  • Frances: Tim, you’ve just described the struggles and pain of change for The Outside and so the question becomes, “what are we willing to sacrifice to create what’s going to be necessary?” The two of you are leaders but you’re also contributors. A part of the joy in the work for you is that engagement with clients, watching the progress that the clients make, is that ability to deal with that resistance yourself… so you feed on that and in order for the organization to grow there must be some pause where you are trying to help other people to develop.


  • Tuesday: I’m curious if my expectations, of what this kind of leadership looks like, are realistic? This idea of sacrifice feels like it’s up in all sorts of places in my life. What am I learning about that liminal space? Are we moving in the direction we want to be moving in?


  • Frances: What do you [we] want to bring to the world? This would require you to think about where you are now as seeding what you ultimately want to be able to offer to the world.


  • Tim: We started this off saying that I want us to be small, niche and very high quality. That belief might be shifting in me. I feel the generative power of what we are doing. 


  • Tuesday: I think part of the work we’ve done, in some ways, really fed my ambition. I think small, niche and very high quality still makes sense to me if I think that is all we could do. I’d rather be small, niche and very high quality if we couldn’t be bigger and do really good quality but I find that the work we’re in and the people (Outsiders and clients) we’re working with is something that runs my ambition. I am willing and want to do something more ambitious. 


  • Frances: One of the discoveries/insights that is opening up is that what you do actually works. Wouldn’t it be great if it could work for more and more people. The way that you will expand will be as unique as you are as an organization. 


Song: “How Deep Is Your Love,” by PJ Morton


Quote: “Don’t only practice your art. But force your way into its secrets. For it and knowledge can raise men to the Divine.” - Ludwig Van Beethoven


New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com 


Find the songs we’ve played on the podcast - on our playlist. Or search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 38:37

Produced by: Mark Coffin 

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: The Outside 

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]]> <![CDATA[3.15: Wildest Dreams: On Neutrality, Doing Things Differently & Rolling Stones ]]> Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:01:26 GMT 58:30 6087fcf5a4a81031ba098a97 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6087fcf5a4a81031ba098a97 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 315-wildest-dreams full 3 15 Join Tim & Tuesday as they share their wildest dreams for The Outside with Organizational Development Specialist, and new member of The Outside team, Gian Paul Ganzoni.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Join Tim & Tuesday as they share their wildest dreams for The Outside with Organizational Development Specialist, and new member of The Outside team, Gian Paul Ganzoni.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 3.14: Scenarios: Choices in Transitions (Full Episode) 3.14: Scenarios: Choices in Transitions (Full Episode) Tue, 13 Apr 2021 09:00:52 GMT 47:04 6073877393c968141d1f94b1 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6073877393c968141d1f94b1 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 314-scenarios full 3 14 Too much control and we kill learning, not enough order and things fall apart. The Outside is changing and maturing. Listen in as Tim & Tuesday explore what The Outside is asking of them as co-founders. What role suits them best? Do they stay small and deepen their niche or do they grow, broaden and expand?


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast


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]]> Too much control and we kill learning, not enough order and things fall apart. The Outside is changing and maturing. Listen in as Tim & Tuesday explore what The Outside is asking of them as co-founders. What role suits them best? Do they stay small and deepen their niche or do they grow, broaden and expand?


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast


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]]> 3.13: 3 Years In - On foundations, futures and ‘anything can be’ (Full Episode) 3.13: 3 Years In - On foundations, futures and ‘anything can be’ (Full Episode) Tue, 30 Mar 2021 11:57:10 GMT 31:23 60624e3b58f17841819e1e90 true https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 60624e3b58f17841819e1e90 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 313-3-years-in full 3 13 Join in as Tim & Tuesday discuss The Outside’s third anniversary and their changing role as co-founders and the face of The Outside. As the team and business expands, the founders must change how they lead.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Join in as Tim & Tuesday discuss The Outside’s third anniversary and their changing role as co-founders and the face of The Outside. As the team and business expands, the founders must change how they lead.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 3.12: Outside The Outside - On Goddesses and Soccer (Full Episode) 3.12: Outside The Outside - On Goddesses and Soccer (Full Episode) Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:00:03 GMT 41:26 604f74e3a82d233f2220d010 false http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 604f74e3a82d233f2220d010 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 312-outside-the-outside All inclusive soccer at Mahone Bay United. A Goddess Class that is building a community rooted in the divine feminine. Listen in as Tim and Tuesday share their personal passions and what’s keeping them inspired and grounded in life and work. full 3 12 All inclusive soccer at Mahone Bay United. A Goddess Class that is building a community rooted in the divine feminine. Listen in as Tim and Tuesday share their personal passions and what’s keeping them inspired and grounded in life and work. 


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast



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]]> All inclusive soccer at Mahone Bay United. A Goddess Class that is building a community rooted in the divine feminine. Listen in as Tim and Tuesday share their personal passions and what’s keeping them inspired and grounded in life and work. 


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast



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]]> 3.11: Underworld - On puzzle pieces, shame, and discoveries (Full Episode) 3.11: Underworld - On puzzle pieces, shame, and discoveries (Full Episode) Tue, 02 Mar 2021 10:00:55 GMT 45:47 6037d91dc0c8993d6d527e8b true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6037d91dc0c8993d6d527e8b 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 311-underworld full 3 11 Join us on a journey to the underworld as we dig deep into some of the harder and more hidden aspects of the work of systems change & equity and what it demands of each us individually. This episode is not for the faint-hearted, kit up and dive in.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Join us on a journey to the underworld as we dig deep into some of the harder and more hidden aspects of the work of systems change & equity and what it demands of each us individually. This episode is not for the faint-hearted, kit up and dive in.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 3.10: Retrospective - A charcuterie of mushrooms and magic (Full Episode) 3.10: Retrospective - A charcuterie of mushrooms and magic (Full Episode) Tue, 16 Feb 2021 10:00:06 GMT 30:31 602b0e2be189885f3ebde115 true https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 602b0e2be189885f3ebde115 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 310-retrospective The Outside commissioned a retrospective on the last 3 years of our work. We’re letting you in on all the things - what clients had to say about our work, our branding audit, and why we were compared with people who take mushrooms. It’s hot! Listen in. full 3 10 The Outside commissioned a retrospective on the last 3 years of our work. We’re letting you in on all the things - what clients had to say about our work, our branding audit, and why we were compared with people who take mushrooms. It’s hot! Listen in with Tim & Tuesday.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> The Outside commissioned a retrospective on the last 3 years of our work. We’re letting you in on all the things - what clients had to say about our work, our branding audit, and why we were compared with people who take mushrooms. It’s hot! Listen in with Tim & Tuesday.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 3.09: Jeremy Lu: On values, online tools + living many lives (Full Episode) 3.09: Jeremy Lu: On values, online tools + living many lives (Full Episode) Tue, 02 Feb 2021 10:00:11 GMT 50:41 60183bc32972373ae20ced24 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 60183bc32972373ae20ced24 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 309-jeremy-lu Tim and Tuesday welcome Jeremy Lu, co-founder of the online collaboration tool GroupMap. Get ready for a conversation that reveals his incredible life experiences, and digs into why it matters which online tools we use to build the world we want. full 3 9 Tim and Tuesday welcome Jeremy Lu, co-founder of the online collaboration tool GroupMap. Get ready for a conversation that reveals his incredible life experiences, and digs into why it matters which online tools we use to build the world we want.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Tim and Tuesday welcome Jeremy Lu, co-founder of the online collaboration tool GroupMap. Get ready for a conversation that reveals his incredible life experiences, and digs into why it matters which online tools we use to build the world we want.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 3.08: Inexorable: On Unstoppable Momentum (Full Episode) 3.08: Inexorable: On Unstoppable Momentum (Full Episode) Tue, 19 Jan 2021 10:00:00 GMT 40:18 6005e63edbbb221780305520 false http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 6005e63edbbb221780305520 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 308-inexorable-on-unstoppable-momentum-full-episode full 3 8 Tim & Tuesday talk through what is inexorable in ourselves and the world right now and what is open to our influence. To meet the unstoppable momentum of these times, they explore what mythical weapons they will be taking into 2021. Intrigued, right?!! Listen in.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast



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]]> Tim & Tuesday talk through what is inexorable in ourselves and the world right now and what is open to our influence. To meet the unstoppable momentum of these times, they explore what mythical weapons they will be taking into 2021. Intrigued, right?!! Listen in.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast



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]]> 3.07: Monuments: On taking the circuitous route to discovery (Full Episode) 3.07: Monuments: On taking the circuitous route to discovery (Full Episode) Tue, 05 Jan 2021 10:00:41 GMT 45:24 5ff33adc4f07003b5948d38b true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5ff33adc4f07003b5948d38b 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 307-monuments full 3 7 Tim & Tuesday kick off the new year reflecting on the turning points of 2020 while reaching into history and ancestry to lend some meaning and insight on this moment we’re in and where we go from here.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> Tim & Tuesday kick off the new year reflecting on the turning points of 2020 while reaching into history and ancestry to lend some meaning and insight on this moment we’re in and where we go from here.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 3.06: Ambition: On willpower, trust and a future that claims us (Full Episode) 3.06: Ambition: On willpower, trust and a future that claims us (Full Episode) Tue, 15 Dec 2020 10:00:55 GMT 46:19 5fd2cf8beb620952e51938d3 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5fd2cf8beb620952e51938d3 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 306-ambition full 3 6 Tim & Tuesday host a far ranging conversation on how they relate to ambition and willpower in thier work. How is our drive helping, and hindering, our ability to do the work we love?


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]]> Tim & Tuesday host a far ranging conversation on how they relate to ambition and willpower in thier work. How is our drive helping, and hindering, our ability to do the work we love?


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 3.05: Classy - On navigating class, wealth and leadership distribution (Full Episode) 3.05: Classy - On navigating class, wealth and leadership distribution (Full Episode) Tue, 01 Dec 2020 10:00:15 GMT 52:18 5fbebca81a6d7a413e031ca6 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5fbebca81a6d7a413e031ca6 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 302-classy-full-episode full 3 5 Tim & Tuesday dive into a conversation on class, spurred on by a recent conversation with an Outsider about delegation and leadership. Join in as we explore money, class structures, hierarchy, unconscious bias, leadership responsibilities and more  - all within the the very practical context of  the structure of The Outside.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast


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]]> Tim & Tuesday dive into a conversation on class, spurred on by a recent conversation with an Outsider about delegation and leadership. Join in as we explore money, class structures, hierarchy, unconscious bias, leadership responsibilities and more  - all within the the very practical context of  the structure of The Outside.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast


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]]> 3.04: Winged Words: On finding the soul of the work (Full Episode) 3.04: Winged Words: On finding the soul of the work (Full Episode) Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:00:00 GMT 50:17 5fad84c1dc9014351a390b12 true https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5fad84c1dc9014351a390b12 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 304-winged-words-on-finding-the-soul-of-the-work-full-episod full 3 4 Inspired by Dr. Martin Shaw and author Cyndi Suarez, Tim and Tuesday explore the power of words, story and myth in systems change. How can "Articulation Leadership" add depth and momentum to groups seeking to make progress on big change?


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]]> Inspired by Dr. Martin Shaw and author Cyndi Suarez, Tim and Tuesday explore the power of words, story and myth in systems change. How can "Articulation Leadership" add depth and momentum to groups seeking to make progress on big change?


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 3.03: Change in St. Croix: Small Reflects All (Full Episode) 3.03: Change in St. Croix: Small Reflects All (Full Episode) Tue, 03 Nov 2020 10:00:00 GMT 42:53 5f985f0ea4e77f017fac36c5 false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5f985f0ea4e77f017fac36c5 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 303-change-in-st-croix-small-reflects-all-full-episode Tim and Tuesday talk with fellow Outsiders, Sommer Sibilly-Brown and Kristina Torres, where they introduce us to the Island of St. Croix, Crucians and how this small island can show us that big change can be done differently. full 3 3 Tim and Tuesday talk with fellow Outsiders, Sommer Sibilly-Brown and Kristina Torres, where they introduce us to the Island of St. Croix, Crucians and how this small island can show us that big change can be done differently.


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]]> Tim and Tuesday talk with fellow Outsiders, Sommer Sibilly-Brown and Kristina Torres, where they introduce us to the Island of St. Croix, Crucians and how this small island can show us that big change can be done differently.


For detailed show notes, links and resources, please visit: http://findtheoutside.com/podcast

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]]> 3.02: Spirit of Change (Full Episode) 3.02: Spirit of Change (Full Episode) Tue, 20 Oct 2020 10:00:52 GMT 50:32 5f886a664790361d1258075f false https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5f886a664790361d1258075f 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 spirit-of-change What does the spiritual journey look like for people involved in large scale systems change work? How is the spiritual path different from the mental health and leadership journeys also at play for those engaged in change initiatives? full 3 2 What does the spiritual journey look like for people involved in large scale systems change work? How is the spiritual path different from the mental health and leadership journeys also at play for those engaged in change initiatives? Listen in as Tim and Tuesday share some of their own personal journeys and what they're discovering along the way.


New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com 


Find the songs we’ve played on the podcast—on our playlist. Or search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Resources + Links mentioned in today's episode:


Duration: 50:37

Produced by: Mark Coffin

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

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]]> What does the spiritual journey look like for people involved in large scale systems change work? How is the spiritual path different from the mental health and leadership journeys also at play for those engaged in change initiatives? Listen in as Tim and Tuesday share some of their own personal journeys and what they're discovering along the way.


New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com 


Find the songs we’ve played on the podcast—on our playlist. Or search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Resources + Links mentioned in today's episode:


Duration: 50:37

Produced by: Mark Coffin

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

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]]> 3.01: TRANSLATING POWER: FINDING THE LANGUAGE THAT CAN BRIDGE WORLDS 3.01: TRANSLATING POWER: FINDING THE LANGUAGE THAT CAN BRIDGE WORLDS Tue, 06 Oct 2020 10:00:04 GMT 44:12 5f7a6fabef0dbe1a1c133eac true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5f7a6fabef0dbe1a1c133eac 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 301-translatingpower In the first episode of season three, Tim and Tuesday talk with Cyndi Suarez, author of The Power Manual, where they explore the complexities of power and language. Join us for an invigorating, heartfelt and insightful conversation. full 3 1 In the first episode of season three, Tim and Tuesday talk with Cyndi Suarez, author of The Power Manual, where they explore the complexities of power and language. Join us for an invigorating, heartfelt and insightful conversation. 


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


3.01 — SHOW NOTES



  • Cyndi: In the last few years, I’ve realized a different form of leadership that I’ve been exploring and I’ve been calling it “Articulation Leadership.” Seeing the power in putting things that we want into words; how that just opens up different worlds and possibilities. 


  • Tim: A lot of what we [The Outside] do happens in the experience that people have with each other but it becomes vastly insufficient when you are talking to someone about some major transformation work, that they will feel has very high stakes to it, and then you’re like, you have to really experience it to know what we are talking about. And so, we’re really in a question of how do you use words to evoke something that in some ways is felt? And then there is something for me about whether we are developing a new language or is it about finding the right words for the moment? Those are the two big questions we are in. 


  • Cyndi: The work of translation - of being able to both dive deep for the depth that you need and to find common ground - is one of the biggest challenges of organizing for power. It often does require redefining these identities that have been put on us and at the same time you need to reconnect with a larger table. 


  • Tuesday: When you talked about translation or connection; there’s a piece that is strategy. Part of it is grounding and deepening so we know what we’re doing and who we are to do it, but then there is also this piece around strategy that you just have to pay attention to. The reason we formed The Outside is because we felt like as we did systems change work there was very little power analysis and then in some of the movement-based spaces, there wasn’t much strategy to the level that you are talking about - not connecting out to make change. You have to do both to get you where you want to go. 


  • Cyndi: In my work, I am constantly challenging people to question the idea of shared strategy. Why? Why don’t we have a portfolio? Why do we have to agree? What do we have to agree on? This idea that we have to agree on everything is really extreme and tiring. It does not allow for the diversity that we have in our spaces. It doesn’t encourage it. I think there is a way that we need to be both humble and sophisticated in these conversations. We have to care enough and be curious enough about people. Being drawn towards difference is less explored especially in leadership and translation work. 


  • Tim: That bridging role is about power but also what we are often doing is pitching to people who hold wealth, influence, positional or hierarchical authority something that in many ways will undermine the established power that they have or the way they have got to that position of power. What’s the language that translates into positions of power - why power needs to be let go of and how does that begin to start shifting people’s fundamental beliefs about themselves and what it means to lead in today’s world? What’s the language that’s hard enough to bridge into the leadership worlds that we are currently engaging but soft enough to point to something new?


  • Tuesday: Cyndi, you’ve just said so many interesting little nuggets… I am curious how you got to where you are?


  • Cyndi: Since I was a kid, I always knew that I was going to write about power. I loved reading. Reading has always been a big part of my life. I am attracted to things that are different and that I don’t know. 


  • Tim: How do you stay tuned to this? 


  • Cyndi: I’m reading this book called Sacred Contract and one of the things that she says about people who tend to create something new or something big is that there is a point at which they have to go against the tribe. They always have to break from what is known to them in order to make their contribution. I think part of it is that. I came knowing and trusting myself and I have a spiritual practice - I am very inward focused. I spend a lot of time imagining what I want. My trajectory has been that I always end up doing exactly what I wanted to do. 


  • Tuesday: You feel so clear in your internal compass and there is an outward thing that is happening - you don’t feel afraid of ideas. It’s so unique. Also, please tell us about The Edge Institute. 


  • Cyndi: The Edge Institute grew out of the work that I do with Nonprofit Quarterly and The Power Manual. When we engage people of colour, in the sector, no matter what level of leadership they were in, people really wanted a different space, outside of their organization, to come and to think and to be with other leaders and to explore and create the new forms they want or suspect other people want. “Forms” is everything from subjectivity, to organizational form, to interactional frameworks… anything that is a form; that’s what this is a space for. It’s a larger thing than a project in a nonprofit world. Launching our interactive website in October 2020 - edgeleadership.org



Song: “Mountains,” by The Vision, feat. Andreya Triana (Danny Krivit Remix)


Poem: PEACE, by Akala


PEACE 

Peace is on the way 

By the sword they say 

After this, this last blow 

Last chop, last drop 

After this, this last scream 

Last shout, last trample of boot 

Just one more, one last 

Rubble wreck where once were dreams housed 

Last plane, last flame, last sky 

Just one, one more naked Vietnamese girl 

Be she Russian, Israeli, Palestinian, Sudanese 

Or great, great, great, really great British 

Just one more placard wielding warrior 

And this last sword-slinging gunman 

One more song of machine metal 

Hurtling death to outrun life 

Just one more war 

Then we can have peace


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 44:12

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In the first episode of season three, Tim and Tuesday talk with Cyndi Suarez, author of The Power Manual, where they explore the complexities of power and language. Join us for an invigorating, heartfelt and insightful conversation. 


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


3.01 — SHOW NOTES



  • Cyndi: In the last few years, I’ve realized a different form of leadership that I’ve been exploring and I’ve been calling it “Articulation Leadership.” Seeing the power in putting things that we want into words; how that just opens up different worlds and possibilities. 


  • Tim: A lot of what we [The Outside] do happens in the experience that people have with each other but it becomes vastly insufficient when you are talking to someone about some major transformation work, that they will feel has very high stakes to it, and then you’re like, you have to really experience it to know what we are talking about. And so, we’re really in a question of how do you use words to evoke something that in some ways is felt? And then there is something for me about whether we are developing a new language or is it about finding the right words for the moment? Those are the two big questions we are in. 


  • Cyndi: The work of translation - of being able to both dive deep for the depth that you need and to find common ground - is one of the biggest challenges of organizing for power. It often does require redefining these identities that have been put on us and at the same time you need to reconnect with a larger table. 


  • Tuesday: When you talked about translation or connection; there’s a piece that is strategy. Part of it is grounding and deepening so we know what we’re doing and who we are to do it, but then there is also this piece around strategy that you just have to pay attention to. The reason we formed The Outside is because we felt like as we did systems change work there was very little power analysis and then in some of the movement-based spaces, there wasn’t much strategy to the level that you are talking about - not connecting out to make change. You have to do both to get you where you want to go. 


  • Cyndi: In my work, I am constantly challenging people to question the idea of shared strategy. Why? Why don’t we have a portfolio? Why do we have to agree? What do we have to agree on? This idea that we have to agree on everything is really extreme and tiring. It does not allow for the diversity that we have in our spaces. It doesn’t encourage it. I think there is a way that we need to be both humble and sophisticated in these conversations. We have to care enough and be curious enough about people. Being drawn towards difference is less explored especially in leadership and translation work. 


  • Tim: That bridging role is about power but also what we are often doing is pitching to people who hold wealth, influence, positional or hierarchical authority something that in many ways will undermine the established power that they have or the way they have got to that position of power. What’s the language that translates into positions of power - why power needs to be let go of and how does that begin to start shifting people’s fundamental beliefs about themselves and what it means to lead in today’s world? What’s the language that’s hard enough to bridge into the leadership worlds that we are currently engaging but soft enough to point to something new?


  • Tuesday: Cyndi, you’ve just said so many interesting little nuggets… I am curious how you got to where you are?


  • Cyndi: Since I was a kid, I always knew that I was going to write about power. I loved reading. Reading has always been a big part of my life. I am attracted to things that are different and that I don’t know. 


  • Tim: How do you stay tuned to this? 


  • Cyndi: I’m reading this book called Sacred Contract and one of the things that she says about people who tend to create something new or something big is that there is a point at which they have to go against the tribe. They always have to break from what is known to them in order to make their contribution. I think part of it is that. I came knowing and trusting myself and I have a spiritual practice - I am very inward focused. I spend a lot of time imagining what I want. My trajectory has been that I always end up doing exactly what I wanted to do. 


  • Tuesday: You feel so clear in your internal compass and there is an outward thing that is happening - you don’t feel afraid of ideas. It’s so unique. Also, please tell us about The Edge Institute. 


  • Cyndi: The Edge Institute grew out of the work that I do with Nonprofit Quarterly and The Power Manual. When we engage people of colour, in the sector, no matter what level of leadership they were in, people really wanted a different space, outside of their organization, to come and to think and to be with other leaders and to explore and create the new forms they want or suspect other people want. “Forms” is everything from subjectivity, to organizational form, to interactional frameworks… anything that is a form; that’s what this is a space for. It’s a larger thing than a project in a nonprofit world. Launching our interactive website in October 2020 - edgeleadership.org



Song: “Mountains,” by The Vision, feat. Andreya Triana (Danny Krivit Remix)


Poem: PEACE, by Akala


PEACE 

Peace is on the way 

By the sword they say 

After this, this last blow 

Last chop, last drop 

After this, this last scream 

Last shout, last trample of boot 

Just one more, one last 

Rubble wreck where once were dreams housed 

Last plane, last flame, last sky 

Just one, one more naked Vietnamese girl 

Be she Russian, Israeli, Palestinian, Sudanese 

Or great, great, great, really great British 

Just one more placard wielding warrior 

And this last sword-slinging gunman 

One more song of machine metal 

Hurtling death to outrun life 

Just one more war 

Then we can have peace


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 44:12

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 2.20: Woven: Staying Interconnected 2.20: Woven: Staying Interconnected Tue, 30 Jun 2020 09:00:49 GMT 31:31 5ef9bd46c4f656486d7ab34f true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5ef9bd46c4f656486d7ab34f 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 220-woven In season two’s final episode, Tim and Tuesday wrap up by offering a piece of advice: stay woven! Stay woven with the people you care about, stay woven with the people you work with and pay attention to how woven and connected you are in your communities. full 2 20 In season two’s final episode, Tim and Tuesday wrap up by offering a piece of advice: stay woven! Stay woven with the people you care about, stay woven with the people you work with and pay attention to how woven and connected you are in your communities. And if you notice someone falling away, weave them back in!   Keep weaving the world events into our everyday living. These times demand all of us together meeting these times.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.20 — SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: This week on the podcast we are talking about being woven… being woven together as Outsiders, and as a team, being woven together with our clients a little bit in this changing context and then making sure our work is woven and meeting what is happening in the external world.


  • Tues: I am feeling that Tim and I are quite well woven together. I am feeling good about where we are in partnership with this business and my experience of that is simply a re-weaving or re-knitting together, in the past couple weeks, that make us quite strong and smooth. 


  • Tim: This is our final podcast of this season… and I like the idea of woven as well as it brings together many of the topics we’ve been talking about over the last two seasons and that feels right - what’s happening between us, what’s happening in the world, what’s happening in our team and in relationship to the people we work with. It feels like a good way to end talking about things being woven, and how they are woven and how well they are woven and how we weave each other together and how important that is when you are working remotely. The quality of attention and alertness we need to have to our relationships so that we can deliver on the work that is at hand is heightened. We’ve always said that relationships equal results. I think that is even more true in terms of being able to deliver results when you are not able to take a walk that morning together or whatever else it might be that you need to do to sustain your relationships. It’s that intention and aspiration to pay attention to each other. 


  • Tues: I did this work to be in partnership with you and the work is better when we’re in it together. This idea of distance - we can’t in the same way know what is up for each other. I wonder if there is some inevitable moving apart in this remote way of working that then says what are your practices for coming back together?


  • Tim: When we are working remotely, and in technical web-based spaces, we also need to pay attention to the conditions we put in place for people to connect and contribute. There is a personal reaching out and paying attention to relationship but a lot of what we are doing is tech upgrade. How do you create the ease between people of reaching out to each other to keep everyone connected in? 


  • Tues: We were able to get by on good equipment until that was “the way” of being together. We are making it possible for our physical bodies to connect more. 


  • Tim: Yeah, can you have a set-up that allows you to relax and be online? Find your techie mate and have them help you to set up an environment to be conducive to being relaxed into online spaces. It’s a big deal when running online meetings and to organize effectively. The other thing I am realizing is one-on-one conversations still need to happen to build the relationship. This also requires effort and planning and it is part of the work. 


  • Tim: It’s wild out there, mate and that’s another reason to stay woven. It feels stressful. Meg [Wheatley] also says when the shit hits the fan, “people turn to each other.” That is why this species has managed to evolve. When things get hard, we turn to each other. 


  • Tim: If there is one piece of advice in our final podcast episode, as all of us head through the summer and into the Fall and Autumn, it’s stay woven. Stay woven with the people you’re caring about, stay woven with the people you’re working with to deliver the things that matter to you in the world, pay attention not just to the inevitable pivot and thrust of energy we all need to create to get through re-entering our work spaces in new ways but also pay attention to how woven we are and how connected we are as teams and caring members of communities. 


  • Tues: This particular moment is calling for a re-weaving or different kinds of weaving that we haven’t had to access before. Most of us haven’t had to do this kind of online life before. There is also the larger movement of breaking down of systems and seeing the brokenness of systems that I think also will require a re-weaving. As you think about staying woven, find new ways to weave and then also look for opportunities to re-weave. 


  • Tues: My uncle Chucky was very active in SNCC (Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee), so I can go to historical news reels and find mention of him and what he did and read his story. This makes me think of what my grandkids will ask of this time and what we did and how we were and will I be proud of how we/I responded? 


  • Tim: There is something about looking back and understanding the complexity of our heritage and our lineage that contributes to our ability to be here now. 


  • Tues: I feel like we all have to do that. We all have to know where we’re coming from to point where we’re going. 


  • Tim: For those of you who dane to tune in to us, we are grateful. Thank you for joining us. We will continue thorough the summer through a vlog series. You will find us on Facebook and Instagram for that. You will get to meet the members of The Outside team. The podcast will start up again this Autumn - let us know if there are things you want to hear in Season 3 or things you want us to go deeper into. 


Song: “Abebrese” by Ebo Taylor.


Poem: “Turning to One Another” by Margaret Wheatley, “Turning to One Another,” 2002


There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about. Ask “What’s possible?” not “What’s wrong?” Keep asking.


Notice what you care about.

Assume that many others share your dreams.


Be brave enough to start a conversation that matters. Talk to people you know.

Talk to people you don’t know.

Talk to people you never talk to.


Be intrigued by the differences you hear.

Expect to be surprised.

Treasure curiosity more than certainty.


Invite in everybody who cares to work on what’s possible. Acknowledge that everyone is an expert about something. Know that creative solutions come from new connections.


Remember, you don’t fear people whose story you know. 

Real listening always brings people closer together.


Trust that meaningful conversations can change your world.


 Rely on human goodness. Stay together.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 31:31

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In season two’s final episode, Tim and Tuesday wrap up by offering a piece of advice: stay woven! Stay woven with the people you care about, stay woven with the people you work with and pay attention to how woven and connected you are in your communities. And if you notice someone falling away, weave them back in!   Keep weaving the world events into our everyday living. These times demand all of us together meeting these times.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.20 — SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: This week on the podcast we are talking about being woven… being woven together as Outsiders, and as a team, being woven together with our clients a little bit in this changing context and then making sure our work is woven and meeting what is happening in the external world.


  • Tues: I am feeling that Tim and I are quite well woven together. I am feeling good about where we are in partnership with this business and my experience of that is simply a re-weaving or re-knitting together, in the past couple weeks, that make us quite strong and smooth. 


  • Tim: This is our final podcast of this season… and I like the idea of woven as well as it brings together many of the topics we’ve been talking about over the last two seasons and that feels right - what’s happening between us, what’s happening in the world, what’s happening in our team and in relationship to the people we work with. It feels like a good way to end talking about things being woven, and how they are woven and how well they are woven and how we weave each other together and how important that is when you are working remotely. The quality of attention and alertness we need to have to our relationships so that we can deliver on the work that is at hand is heightened. We’ve always said that relationships equal results. I think that is even more true in terms of being able to deliver results when you are not able to take a walk that morning together or whatever else it might be that you need to do to sustain your relationships. It’s that intention and aspiration to pay attention to each other. 


  • Tues: I did this work to be in partnership with you and the work is better when we’re in it together. This idea of distance - we can’t in the same way know what is up for each other. I wonder if there is some inevitable moving apart in this remote way of working that then says what are your practices for coming back together?


  • Tim: When we are working remotely, and in technical web-based spaces, we also need to pay attention to the conditions we put in place for people to connect and contribute. There is a personal reaching out and paying attention to relationship but a lot of what we are doing is tech upgrade. How do you create the ease between people of reaching out to each other to keep everyone connected in? 


  • Tues: We were able to get by on good equipment until that was “the way” of being together. We are making it possible for our physical bodies to connect more. 


  • Tim: Yeah, can you have a set-up that allows you to relax and be online? Find your techie mate and have them help you to set up an environment to be conducive to being relaxed into online spaces. It’s a big deal when running online meetings and to organize effectively. The other thing I am realizing is one-on-one conversations still need to happen to build the relationship. This also requires effort and planning and it is part of the work. 


  • Tim: It’s wild out there, mate and that’s another reason to stay woven. It feels stressful. Meg [Wheatley] also says when the shit hits the fan, “people turn to each other.” That is why this species has managed to evolve. When things get hard, we turn to each other. 


  • Tim: If there is one piece of advice in our final podcast episode, as all of us head through the summer and into the Fall and Autumn, it’s stay woven. Stay woven with the people you’re caring about, stay woven with the people you’re working with to deliver the things that matter to you in the world, pay attention not just to the inevitable pivot and thrust of energy we all need to create to get through re-entering our work spaces in new ways but also pay attention to how woven we are and how connected we are as teams and caring members of communities. 


  • Tues: This particular moment is calling for a re-weaving or different kinds of weaving that we haven’t had to access before. Most of us haven’t had to do this kind of online life before. There is also the larger movement of breaking down of systems and seeing the brokenness of systems that I think also will require a re-weaving. As you think about staying woven, find new ways to weave and then also look for opportunities to re-weave. 


  • Tues: My uncle Chucky was very active in SNCC (Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee), so I can go to historical news reels and find mention of him and what he did and read his story. This makes me think of what my grandkids will ask of this time and what we did and how we were and will I be proud of how we/I responded? 


  • Tim: There is something about looking back and understanding the complexity of our heritage and our lineage that contributes to our ability to be here now. 


  • Tues: I feel like we all have to do that. We all have to know where we’re coming from to point where we’re going. 


  • Tim: For those of you who dane to tune in to us, we are grateful. Thank you for joining us. We will continue thorough the summer through a vlog series. You will find us on Facebook and Instagram for that. You will get to meet the members of The Outside team. The podcast will start up again this Autumn - let us know if there are things you want to hear in Season 3 or things you want us to go deeper into. 


Song: “Abebrese” by Ebo Taylor.


Poem: “Turning to One Another” by Margaret Wheatley, “Turning to One Another,” 2002


There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about. Ask “What’s possible?” not “What’s wrong?” Keep asking.


Notice what you care about.

Assume that many others share your dreams.


Be brave enough to start a conversation that matters. Talk to people you know.

Talk to people you don’t know.

Talk to people you never talk to.


Be intrigued by the differences you hear.

Expect to be surprised.

Treasure curiosity more than certainty.


Invite in everybody who cares to work on what’s possible. Acknowledge that everyone is an expert about something. Know that creative solutions come from new connections.


Remember, you don’t fear people whose story you know. 

Real listening always brings people closer together.


Trust that meaningful conversations can change your world.


 Rely on human goodness. Stay together.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 31:31

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 2:19: Uprising: Waking Up And Making Change 2:19: Uprising: Waking Up And Making Change Tue, 09 Jun 2020 11:41:40 GMT 32:24 5edecef53ab7540e39b62f2c false http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5edecef53ab7540e39b62f2c 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 219-uprising For episode nineteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday delve into the hopefulness, the openness, the fear, and the fragility they are seeing in this moment of people rising up together to demand change full 2 19 For episode nineteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday delve into the hopefulness, the openness, the fear, and the fragility they are seeing in this moment of people rising up together to demand change


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.19 — SHOW NOTES


  • Tim: There is a lot happening in the world and Tuesday started one of our meetings today, by talking about what is happening in the United States as the Uprising. That’s what we are going to talk about today - the Uprising.


  • Tues: I’ve been reading that language and it’s really resonates for me. I feel like it’s an important way to frame what is happening here in the US. It’s that thing around language and narrative really shapes perception. So much of what’s happening here are peaceful protests; our people taking to the streets in great anger and determination and care and commitment and love. Words like ‘riot’ and ‘looting’ are being used to describe - what I think, what I experience, what I know to be - people rising up together to demand change. And so I think different language is needed and that needs to start right up front. I think it’s fine to call these protests because we are protesting what’s happening and what I think is also happening, which cannot be ignored, are hundreds and thousands of people coming together to say no more… and that’s an uprising. That feels quite different from how you might see it portrayed here. 


  • Tues: What I am seeing is a lot of characterization of violence and looting and I am not saying that none of that is happening and it’s all happening in a context. There’s this piece around who is actually being violent - is it the police being violent to protestors, because that is a violent protest. Where is the violence coming from? Is the violence instigated? There is so much happening and also, there is righteous anger happening that I am sure is becoming violent because when you are being killed you fight back in any way you can. It just feels like that kind of nuance is not understood generally. 


  • Tues: Never before in my life have I seen so many people have their attention towards, and care, about black lives and that’s amazing and it makes me hopeful. And I also don’t believe that ever in my life, have I felt the country so fragile. And so, it could be a moment where we could break through and it could also go really badly. I’m really aware of the fragility of this moment.


  • Tim: I see, in my limited circles of friends and family, an uprising in curiosity and consciousness and desire to learn about issues of race, and social justice and equity. People who, in my circles and community, haven’t engaged in these conversations engaging me in these conversations. Especially in my largely white, middle-class, little world there is a surge of sentiment around I need to be better informed, I need to better understand, I need to be better educated, I am missing something here.


  • Tim: One of the things I am finding, having had the enormous privilege of being your friend and business partner, is that you have always said to me don’t go to the anti-racist training. Go look at your own family, go look at your own history, go look at your own relationships to these issues, from your own story in your own life, and build your own analysis so that you can be in these conversations from a place of your own understanding rather than having been told how to think by somebody else having read the book or done the training. That’s been a massive part of my journey. 


  • Tim: We just need the volume turned up right now. We need people in this conversation that have never been in this conversation before. We need to open the gates here because there is a momentum building, an uprising happening that we want to lend as much strength to as we possibly can; especially in the face of misrepresentation in the media and in the news outlets. 


  • Tues: For years, I have said: “Not that. We must move beyond this conversation that we are currently having.” And for me, now is not the time to say “not that conversation.” Now is the time for all of it. If it is geared toward moving racial justice forward, even if it’s not the conversation I would have, I want it to be had. I want full press right now. All of the ways that people want, and need and can talk about it. And what I still know is true is the current dialogue will not bring everyone in. We still need alternate ways. That also needs an acceleration right now. I’m not in anyway willing to say, “not that, this.” What are the 18 doorways in? Let’s open them all. Because we need numbers, we need mass. At this moment, I am seeking a way. 


  • Tim: This truly has become an international movement where all eyes are on the United States. I have this real sense of we are all watching. This is the thing that is different about what is happening now - it is international. 


  • Tues: I’ve never experienced a moment like this where there are so many eyes, openness, and willingness. I am so aware of never being in a place like this before and that is tragic because of so many lives that have been lost to make this happen. At some point, this amount of death (96 unarmed black men and women, killed by the police since 2014) had to cause some attention. 


  • Tim: You’ve used the word fragile and full of hope. Can you talk to me about both of those?


  • Tues: Hope - the amount of people who care, who are dancing in the streets, who are singing, making the signs. There is something vibrant and vital, and potent, and electric happening and it’s going in a new direction. And, as we know, when that new system begins to form, the old system does everything it can to crush it. So, of course, it’s fragile because we are a country with a lot of weapons, people out in the streets and a President that will single white nationalists, who are armed and organized, and so of course you begin to see other militaristic, left responses. We have a galvanization of people out and about, the vast majority without weapons, we have a militarized police force and a militarized white, nationalist groups. That feels to me quite fragile. It really could ‘break bad.’


  • Tues: A moment like this can lead to massive transformation and it has. And it can lead to massive rupture. I appreciate people trying. We need all of the things. 



  • Poem: “Advice for the Living,” by Lemn Sissay


Dead fast this.

Everyone’s dying to arrive,

Living for deadlines, trying to,

Stay straight as a die. They’ll get

There, dead or alive because they’re

Dead set, and they do arrive in shores

Of dead heats, dead beats at dead ends

Dead messed up like dead stock. The living

Dead flogging dead horses in the dead of 

Night. Dead right dead lost dead right.

Every now and again we stop dead

In our tracks, dead still ‘cause it’s

Dead hard, like a dead weight’s

Dropped on the head… wouldn’t

You die for a little piece, die for

A breath of hope? Dead right, 

I would. In the dead centre of 

All this deadlocking, dread

Locked. Words, dead ahead.

They read: Life is not worth

living if there’s no one that you

would die for. Dead right. 


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 32:24

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> For episode nineteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday delve into the hopefulness, the openness, the fear, and the fragility they are seeing in this moment of people rising up together to demand change


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.19 — SHOW NOTES


  • Tim: There is a lot happening in the world and Tuesday started one of our meetings today, by talking about what is happening in the United States as the Uprising. That’s what we are going to talk about today - the Uprising.


  • Tues: I’ve been reading that language and it’s really resonates for me. I feel like it’s an important way to frame what is happening here in the US. It’s that thing around language and narrative really shapes perception. So much of what’s happening here are peaceful protests; our people taking to the streets in great anger and determination and care and commitment and love. Words like ‘riot’ and ‘looting’ are being used to describe - what I think, what I experience, what I know to be - people rising up together to demand change. And so I think different language is needed and that needs to start right up front. I think it’s fine to call these protests because we are protesting what’s happening and what I think is also happening, which cannot be ignored, are hundreds and thousands of people coming together to say no more… and that’s an uprising. That feels quite different from how you might see it portrayed here. 


  • Tues: What I am seeing is a lot of characterization of violence and looting and I am not saying that none of that is happening and it’s all happening in a context. There’s this piece around who is actually being violent - is it the police being violent to protestors, because that is a violent protest. Where is the violence coming from? Is the violence instigated? There is so much happening and also, there is righteous anger happening that I am sure is becoming violent because when you are being killed you fight back in any way you can. It just feels like that kind of nuance is not understood generally. 


  • Tues: Never before in my life have I seen so many people have their attention towards, and care, about black lives and that’s amazing and it makes me hopeful. And I also don’t believe that ever in my life, have I felt the country so fragile. And so, it could be a moment where we could break through and it could also go really badly. I’m really aware of the fragility of this moment.


  • Tim: I see, in my limited circles of friends and family, an uprising in curiosity and consciousness and desire to learn about issues of race, and social justice and equity. People who, in my circles and community, haven’t engaged in these conversations engaging me in these conversations. Especially in my largely white, middle-class, little world there is a surge of sentiment around I need to be better informed, I need to better understand, I need to be better educated, I am missing something here.


  • Tim: One of the things I am finding, having had the enormous privilege of being your friend and business partner, is that you have always said to me don’t go to the anti-racist training. Go look at your own family, go look at your own history, go look at your own relationships to these issues, from your own story in your own life, and build your own analysis so that you can be in these conversations from a place of your own understanding rather than having been told how to think by somebody else having read the book or done the training. That’s been a massive part of my journey. 


  • Tim: We just need the volume turned up right now. We need people in this conversation that have never been in this conversation before. We need to open the gates here because there is a momentum building, an uprising happening that we want to lend as much strength to as we possibly can; especially in the face of misrepresentation in the media and in the news outlets. 


  • Tues: For years, I have said: “Not that. We must move beyond this conversation that we are currently having.” And for me, now is not the time to say “not that conversation.” Now is the time for all of it. If it is geared toward moving racial justice forward, even if it’s not the conversation I would have, I want it to be had. I want full press right now. All of the ways that people want, and need and can talk about it. And what I still know is true is the current dialogue will not bring everyone in. We still need alternate ways. That also needs an acceleration right now. I’m not in anyway willing to say, “not that, this.” What are the 18 doorways in? Let’s open them all. Because we need numbers, we need mass. At this moment, I am seeking a way. 


  • Tim: This truly has become an international movement where all eyes are on the United States. I have this real sense of we are all watching. This is the thing that is different about what is happening now - it is international. 


  • Tues: I’ve never experienced a moment like this where there are so many eyes, openness, and willingness. I am so aware of never being in a place like this before and that is tragic because of so many lives that have been lost to make this happen. At some point, this amount of death (96 unarmed black men and women, killed by the police since 2014) had to cause some attention. 


  • Tim: You’ve used the word fragile and full of hope. Can you talk to me about both of those?


  • Tues: Hope - the amount of people who care, who are dancing in the streets, who are singing, making the signs. There is something vibrant and vital, and potent, and electric happening and it’s going in a new direction. And, as we know, when that new system begins to form, the old system does everything it can to crush it. So, of course, it’s fragile because we are a country with a lot of weapons, people out in the streets and a President that will single white nationalists, who are armed and organized, and so of course you begin to see other militaristic, left responses. We have a galvanization of people out and about, the vast majority without weapons, we have a militarized police force and a militarized white, nationalist groups. That feels to me quite fragile. It really could ‘break bad.’


  • Tues: A moment like this can lead to massive transformation and it has. And it can lead to massive rupture. I appreciate people trying. We need all of the things. 



  • Poem: “Advice for the Living,” by Lemn Sissay


Dead fast this.

Everyone’s dying to arrive,

Living for deadlines, trying to,

Stay straight as a die. They’ll get

There, dead or alive because they’re

Dead set, and they do arrive in shores

Of dead heats, dead beats at dead ends

Dead messed up like dead stock. The living

Dead flogging dead horses in the dead of 

Night. Dead right dead lost dead right.

Every now and again we stop dead

In our tracks, dead still ‘cause it’s

Dead hard, like a dead weight’s

Dropped on the head… wouldn’t

You die for a little piece, die for

A breath of hope? Dead right, 

I would. In the dead centre of 

All this deadlocking, dread

Locked. Words, dead ahead.

They read: Life is not worth

living if there’s no one that you

would die for. Dead right. 


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 32:24

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 2.18: Scale: Big Change Is Needed - But How? 2.18: Scale: Big Change Is Needed - But How? Tue, 02 Jun 2020 09:00:11 GMT 40:07 5ed5934cf4c4ea0f7a57593a false http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5ed5934cf4c4ea0f7a57593a 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 218-scale For episode eighteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday discuss what it means to take the work, and The Outside, to greater scale and longer lasting impact. full 2 18 For episode eighteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday discuss what it means to take the work, and The Outside, to greater scale and longer lasting impact.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


NOTE TO LISTENERS: We recorded this podcast prior to COVID-19 but the question of how we scale our change work for greatest impact feels even more important. The global crisis has brought into sharp relief the need for systemic and structural change towards great equity. The short-term discomfort of change is better than returning to the long-term dysfunction of life prior to COVID-19. Let's work together for it!


2.18 — SHOW NOTES


  • Tim: This week on the podcast we are going to talk about “scaling” - what it means to take the work to greater and greater scale. We are going to touch in on two things: (1) How we are going to greater scale with the clients and people we are working with on how we roll out change and graduate it to a level of scale where it really begins to impact the systems and organizational structures as a whole; and (2) The Outside is also going to scale. 


  • Tues: One of the things I want to begin to interrupt, because it feels like right on the edge of our own learning, is that when we talk about greater and greater scale; the inference is that we somehow mean we’re “scaling up.” One of the things that we’ve been in really clear learning, and articulation of, is the idea that there are different kinds of scale. When we talk about scaling, we might be talking about “scaling impact,” but that does not mean getter bigger, etc. The first time I heard the difference between scaling up was with Deborah Frieze - scaling up vs scaling across… which is sharing learning out across an ecosystem. The scale of impact is felt because you are scaling across. 


  • Tues: We are soon going to have Gabrielle Donnelly on the podcast and she and Bronagh Gallagher are really expanding our thinking on scaling. They talk about scaling up (how do we work with systems and structures), scaling across (across an organization), scaling deep (shifting culture and beliefs and assumptions) and scaling scree (scree are mountain pebbles - often when you begin to do this work, other pebbles begin to fall which you had no intention of falling). 


  • Tues: For example, last year we did a project with a Core Team that launched 11 prototypes (small experiments such as layers of decision-making, mental health, purchasing processes) and created 8 recommendations from their learnings. This year, the work is around how do we institutionalize those recommendations. That is the scale we are at now.  The work has gone from a small group of people experimenting to having our work impact the system and people’s daily lives.


  • Tim: What I love about our approach is that it is graduated. It’s a far more organic style of change. It begins to build the culture of people being involved in designing their own futures and then implementing them. Ownership is all the way through the process. 


  • Tues: As we are doing this particular work; it is important to be explicit that this is an iterative process and sets you up for the next iteration. In times of stress and regression, how do we remind folks that this is a different way of working. Part of our articulation can be that there is going to be a first wave and then we have to make decisions and the tendency may be to pull back. We have to keep facing forward and keep working. 


  • Tues: We have another client who, over the past 18-months, has been focused on internal to their organization - what does it mean to work in this way, how do we want the organization to be working as a way to get ready to shift the very large system the organization is located within, which is a very large bureaucracy in the City of New York. After 18 months we are getting to the point where we are thinking of how do we open our eyes to the larger system and begin to think about how we would impact that. These folks have had 18 months to look inward before they begin to look outward. 


  • Tim: Simultaneously to all of this happening to two of our biggest clients, The Outside itself is going through its own scaling. We started with you, me and Jen and now we are 16 people. Let’s be clear, we are not 16 people working full-time, that’s not our model. We are up to 50% of somebody’s time, with the assumption that they are doing something else in their lives that they want to be putting time into. The engagement with The Outside supports that - financially, intellectually, practically. Now, we are suddenly managing a large distributed team and trying to figure out how we maintain relationships with people who are spanning continents and how we do that over time. We also have people coming to us looking for work. A previous client has just brought the idea to us to open an office in Sweden. It’s just kinda crazy. 


  • Tim: Beyond that, Bronagh has really brought to our attention climate emergency. As we grow, and we burn more and more carbon travelling to our clients, Bronagh is bringing this to our attention. How is this cooked into the model and how we turn up as we grow bigger and bigger? That is one of the reasons we want to create local teams in other parts of the world. But then maybe we need to become the cutting edge, global leader in online, remote-based systems change work because in 10 years we are going to be operating in a world of increasing crisis where travel becomes more limited. 


  • Tues: What feels good about this idea of a particular issue, like climate justice, is that it feels like with the people we are bringing into the work - even if they don’t have the expertise around climate justice - they can get behind it because of what we stand for. If you’re an Outsider, and you’re committed to equity and justice, there is no resistance, there is only “okay, how do we pull up our sleeves and do this together.” The people part of the scaling is really important. As we get bigger, how do we stay together? How do we really stay together on this team, and the team continues and we push ourselves and the team reflects the world we want to see. It’s a little bit like Shared Work. Part of what keeps us together is our work with clients, but part of it is we can really rally around the idea of climate justice. There is something about this team having a gravitational pull of the work. 


  • Tim: We’re all building this together. It’s kinda amazing!


Song: “Final Form,” by Sampa The Great


Quote rather than a poem: From the book “Games for Actors and Non-Actors” by Augusto Boel


“When so many certainties have become so many doubts, when so many dreams have withered on exposure to sunlight, and so many hopes have become as many deceptions—now that we are living through times and situations of great perplexity, full of doubts and uncertainties, now more than ever I believe it is time for a theatre which, at its best, will ask the right questions at the right times. Let us be democratic and ask our audiences to tell us their desires, and let us show them alternatives. Let us hope that one day—please, not too far in the future—we’ll be able to convince or force our governments, our leaders, to do the same; to ask their audiences—us—what they should do, so as to make this world a place to live and be happy in—yes, it is possible—rather than just a vast market in which we sell our goods and our souls. Let’s hope. Let’s work for it!”


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 40:08

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> For episode eighteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday discuss what it means to take the work, and The Outside, to greater scale and longer lasting impact.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


NOTE TO LISTENERS: We recorded this podcast prior to COVID-19 but the question of how we scale our change work for greatest impact feels even more important. The global crisis has brought into sharp relief the need for systemic and structural change towards great equity. The short-term discomfort of change is better than returning to the long-term dysfunction of life prior to COVID-19. Let's work together for it!


2.18 — SHOW NOTES


  • Tim: This week on the podcast we are going to talk about “scaling” - what it means to take the work to greater and greater scale. We are going to touch in on two things: (1) How we are going to greater scale with the clients and people we are working with on how we roll out change and graduate it to a level of scale where it really begins to impact the systems and organizational structures as a whole; and (2) The Outside is also going to scale. 


  • Tues: One of the things I want to begin to interrupt, because it feels like right on the edge of our own learning, is that when we talk about greater and greater scale; the inference is that we somehow mean we’re “scaling up.” One of the things that we’ve been in really clear learning, and articulation of, is the idea that there are different kinds of scale. When we talk about scaling, we might be talking about “scaling impact,” but that does not mean getter bigger, etc. The first time I heard the difference between scaling up was with Deborah Frieze - scaling up vs scaling across… which is sharing learning out across an ecosystem. The scale of impact is felt because you are scaling across. 


  • Tues: We are soon going to have Gabrielle Donnelly on the podcast and she and Bronagh Gallagher are really expanding our thinking on scaling. They talk about scaling up (how do we work with systems and structures), scaling across (across an organization), scaling deep (shifting culture and beliefs and assumptions) and scaling scree (scree are mountain pebbles - often when you begin to do this work, other pebbles begin to fall which you had no intention of falling). 


  • Tues: For example, last year we did a project with a Core Team that launched 11 prototypes (small experiments such as layers of decision-making, mental health, purchasing processes) and created 8 recommendations from their learnings. This year, the work is around how do we institutionalize those recommendations. That is the scale we are at now.  The work has gone from a small group of people experimenting to having our work impact the system and people’s daily lives.


  • Tim: What I love about our approach is that it is graduated. It’s a far more organic style of change. It begins to build the culture of people being involved in designing their own futures and then implementing them. Ownership is all the way through the process. 


  • Tues: As we are doing this particular work; it is important to be explicit that this is an iterative process and sets you up for the next iteration. In times of stress and regression, how do we remind folks that this is a different way of working. Part of our articulation can be that there is going to be a first wave and then we have to make decisions and the tendency may be to pull back. We have to keep facing forward and keep working. 


  • Tues: We have another client who, over the past 18-months, has been focused on internal to their organization - what does it mean to work in this way, how do we want the organization to be working as a way to get ready to shift the very large system the organization is located within, which is a very large bureaucracy in the City of New York. After 18 months we are getting to the point where we are thinking of how do we open our eyes to the larger system and begin to think about how we would impact that. These folks have had 18 months to look inward before they begin to look outward. 


  • Tim: Simultaneously to all of this happening to two of our biggest clients, The Outside itself is going through its own scaling. We started with you, me and Jen and now we are 16 people. Let’s be clear, we are not 16 people working full-time, that’s not our model. We are up to 50% of somebody’s time, with the assumption that they are doing something else in their lives that they want to be putting time into. The engagement with The Outside supports that - financially, intellectually, practically. Now, we are suddenly managing a large distributed team and trying to figure out how we maintain relationships with people who are spanning continents and how we do that over time. We also have people coming to us looking for work. A previous client has just brought the idea to us to open an office in Sweden. It’s just kinda crazy. 


  • Tim: Beyond that, Bronagh has really brought to our attention climate emergency. As we grow, and we burn more and more carbon travelling to our clients, Bronagh is bringing this to our attention. How is this cooked into the model and how we turn up as we grow bigger and bigger? That is one of the reasons we want to create local teams in other parts of the world. But then maybe we need to become the cutting edge, global leader in online, remote-based systems change work because in 10 years we are going to be operating in a world of increasing crisis where travel becomes more limited. 


  • Tues: What feels good about this idea of a particular issue, like climate justice, is that it feels like with the people we are bringing into the work - even if they don’t have the expertise around climate justice - they can get behind it because of what we stand for. If you’re an Outsider, and you’re committed to equity and justice, there is no resistance, there is only “okay, how do we pull up our sleeves and do this together.” The people part of the scaling is really important. As we get bigger, how do we stay together? How do we really stay together on this team, and the team continues and we push ourselves and the team reflects the world we want to see. It’s a little bit like Shared Work. Part of what keeps us together is our work with clients, but part of it is we can really rally around the idea of climate justice. There is something about this team having a gravitational pull of the work. 


  • Tim: We’re all building this together. It’s kinda amazing!


Song: “Final Form,” by Sampa The Great


Quote rather than a poem: From the book “Games for Actors and Non-Actors” by Augusto Boel


“When so many certainties have become so many doubts, when so many dreams have withered on exposure to sunlight, and so many hopes have become as many deceptions—now that we are living through times and situations of great perplexity, full of doubts and uncertainties, now more than ever I believe it is time for a theatre which, at its best, will ask the right questions at the right times. Let us be democratic and ask our audiences to tell us their desires, and let us show them alternatives. Let us hope that one day—please, not too far in the future—we’ll be able to convince or force our governments, our leaders, to do the same; to ask their audiences—us—what they should do, so as to make this world a place to live and be happy in—yes, it is possible—rather than just a vast market in which we sell our goods and our souls. Let’s hope. Let’s work for it!”


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 40:08

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 2.17: LeadershipNOW - Leadership in the time of COVID 2.17: LeadershipNOW - Leadership in the time of COVID Tue, 19 May 2020 12:59:03 GMT 46:26 5ec321917ab19c2016edd647 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5ec321917ab19c2016edd647 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 217-leadershipnow What leadership is needed now? What are we learning in community, in business and globally about leadership? Join Tim and Tuesday as they dive into these questions, and more, for episode seventeen of season two. full 2 17 What leadership is needed now? What are we learning in community, in business and globally about leadership? Join Tim and Tuesday as they dive into these questions, and more, for episode seventeen of season two.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.17 — SHOW NOTES


  • Tim: This week on the podcast we dig into leadership - a much talked about topic in the world but very specifically leadership right now. Leadership in the time of COVID. What does it mean? What are the leadership challenges and conversations we’re facing inside ourselves and in our work. As we look out at the political landscape, the leadership landscape in the world, where are we turning for inspiration?


  • Tim: On the personal level, part of what I’ve been experiencing is the tension between the multiple experiences I’m having - this experience of horror, in a lot of ways, at what’s happening in the world and how COVID-19 is making visible the inequities that we all knew were there, let alone the shooting we had in Nova Scotia where 22 people were killed, let alone the struggle I see for parents who I love and care about in terms of caring for their kids right now. There is so much going on that’s hard to witness and sad. There has been a big piece of letting myself be sad. On the other side, there are beautiful things happening: my relationship to my kids and wife and feeling the fittest and healthiest I’ve ever felt. How can I hold both [sadness and happiness] and not let them be in contradiction to each other? That’s a lot of what my personal leadership is right now. Not swinging between but rather holding both.


  • Tues: Last week we talked about our stress behaviours and I think that is what I would bring forward in my own personal leadership and what is being called out. There is such a level of stress in the air that when we think about leadership, many of us - in any given moment - are absolutely at our best and also not at our best. My stress behaviour/response is irritability. I experience it as hard-headed, not hard-hearted. I find that uncomfortable and have a huge amount of self judgement about it. I’m really interrogating that. What brings up irritability versus sadness or defeat. Is there a flavour to when I become irritable or not. That has my attention at the moment. What this brings up for me as we talk about this leadership piece is that many people, at any given moment especially right now, are in their stress behaviours. That feels like a question of leadership - how to understand and navigate their own and how do you meet people where they are? 


  • Tues: Part of what I am interested in, or at least has my attention, is sexism / gender depression. The experience of women in this moment. Here in Ohio, there is a viral video about our Department of Health Leader, Dr. Amy Acton, everyone wants to be her. I’m curious about the difference in women responding to this pandemic and their leadership and what we are learning there. I’m also really starting to notice that the backlash is focusing on women. As women step up into their power in this pandemic, then the backlash against them seems to be so intense. This is really up for me right now.


  • Tim: One of the things that has struck me over 20+ years in this field - I would say 70% of the time, it is women who are stepping up to get the ground-breaking work done in all kinds of contexts. There has been a really significant pattern of women leveraging their positions of power to do good work in the world and to seek transformation. It struck me because when you talk about sexism becoming a default response, because it is more comfortable, what is that doing to our ability, within our countries, to have a good response?


  • Tues: If we quiet the voice of the woman who is leading one of the most aggressive, successful responses to COVID in the country all of us are hurt by that - more people get sick, more people die. There is also certainly a race and class dimension to that. If you begin to look at all of these “isms” coming up; we are hobbling ourselves in our response because these structural issues are rearing their ugly heads and we don’t have access to some of the minds, action, thinking, skill, capacity and effort of the majority of people. 


  • Tim: We are talking on a national level at this point but we are also seeing this in the teams we are working with as well. As a result, some of the bigger picture of the work is getting lost. Seeing this enables us to be more tactical in our response / more deliberate in how we design our process. This is not about just identifying gender bias but if we can build these types of analysis, then we can organize ourselves more effectively to counterbalance them. This analysis can provide for a deliberate response and ultimately for a more equitable world. 


  • Tues: When people are in their stress behaviour, when they pull back, I think these biases are more likely to come out. Less reflective, going faster, more impatience, less able to listen. When those personal pieces begin to have patterns that show bias then it’s worth us bringing them to bear. Have compassion and notice the pattern and work with the pattern. 


  • Tim: I’m finding that shaming is being given permission during COVID. Are you finding that? 


  • Tues: Yes. I have not heard direct shaming but I have seen rants on Facebook about what other people are doing. To be fair, I can feel it. When I am on the trail and cannot get 6 feet away from people, there is a sense that we have to take care of each other. When people have a sense of threat, then shaming becomes justified. I was listening to a podcast with Esther Perel, a famous relationship expert, and she said that the problem here is that we all think we have the right information. With this lack of clarity around COVID, everyone thinks their position is right. Class-wise, I am wondering if this is happening more in middle class communities?


  • Tim: I wonder if we could chat about what it has been like to lead an organization in the midst of all of this? We’ve had to pivot and redesign and not take massive risks and really change our plans and really distribute leadership to our teams. 


  • Tues: What I am holding that I want to share out is that we are trying to think of “who are we” in this crisis and give some real attention to that. We went through the purpose and principles of the company with our team to ask who we want to be, as a company, in this crisis. We are trying to be as thoughtful and transparent as we can be together and share with the team as much as possible. There has been a lot of thoughtfulness, and trying to have a lot of thoughtfulness around equity, in our leadership. I feel proud that we are trying to live by, expand, think through our principles as a company as this happens in this pivot. We are not just surviving, we are trying to figure this out as we go. 


  • Tim: What’s been interesting for me is not wanting to compromise on quality even though we are reducing cost. I feel proud that we are taking a stand for quality. We are taking time to think things through. Although we are contracting, we are simultaneously expanding. That makes it exciting to come to work that both those things are happening. 


  • Tues: COVID will be a huge period of transformation for The Outside and I will look back and be proud. 


Song: “Makhloogh” by Googoosh


Poem: “Old and Black, A Prayer” by Charlene Carruthers


I will watch my relatives

grow old. 


so old

that they remember battling twenty five tyrannical presidents


so old

that they know

paper food stamps and free land


so old

that they meet

my great grandaughters daughters best friend


so old

that they remember

that one time so I don't have to


so old

that they watch

this empire fall and never strike back


so old

that they rest and witness

us win.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 46:25

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> What leadership is needed now? What are we learning in community, in business and globally about leadership? Join Tim and Tuesday as they dive into these questions, and more, for episode seventeen of season two.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.17 — SHOW NOTES


  • Tim: This week on the podcast we dig into leadership - a much talked about topic in the world but very specifically leadership right now. Leadership in the time of COVID. What does it mean? What are the leadership challenges and conversations we’re facing inside ourselves and in our work. As we look out at the political landscape, the leadership landscape in the world, where are we turning for inspiration?


  • Tim: On the personal level, part of what I’ve been experiencing is the tension between the multiple experiences I’m having - this experience of horror, in a lot of ways, at what’s happening in the world and how COVID-19 is making visible the inequities that we all knew were there, let alone the shooting we had in Nova Scotia where 22 people were killed, let alone the struggle I see for parents who I love and care about in terms of caring for their kids right now. There is so much going on that’s hard to witness and sad. There has been a big piece of letting myself be sad. On the other side, there are beautiful things happening: my relationship to my kids and wife and feeling the fittest and healthiest I’ve ever felt. How can I hold both [sadness and happiness] and not let them be in contradiction to each other? That’s a lot of what my personal leadership is right now. Not swinging between but rather holding both.


  • Tues: Last week we talked about our stress behaviours and I think that is what I would bring forward in my own personal leadership and what is being called out. There is such a level of stress in the air that when we think about leadership, many of us - in any given moment - are absolutely at our best and also not at our best. My stress behaviour/response is irritability. I experience it as hard-headed, not hard-hearted. I find that uncomfortable and have a huge amount of self judgement about it. I’m really interrogating that. What brings up irritability versus sadness or defeat. Is there a flavour to when I become irritable or not. That has my attention at the moment. What this brings up for me as we talk about this leadership piece is that many people, at any given moment especially right now, are in their stress behaviours. That feels like a question of leadership - how to understand and navigate their own and how do you meet people where they are? 


  • Tues: Part of what I am interested in, or at least has my attention, is sexism / gender depression. The experience of women in this moment. Here in Ohio, there is a viral video about our Department of Health Leader, Dr. Amy Acton, everyone wants to be her. I’m curious about the difference in women responding to this pandemic and their leadership and what we are learning there. I’m also really starting to notice that the backlash is focusing on women. As women step up into their power in this pandemic, then the backlash against them seems to be so intense. This is really up for me right now.


  • Tim: One of the things that has struck me over 20+ years in this field - I would say 70% of the time, it is women who are stepping up to get the ground-breaking work done in all kinds of contexts. There has been a really significant pattern of women leveraging their positions of power to do good work in the world and to seek transformation. It struck me because when you talk about sexism becoming a default response, because it is more comfortable, what is that doing to our ability, within our countries, to have a good response?


  • Tues: If we quiet the voice of the woman who is leading one of the most aggressive, successful responses to COVID in the country all of us are hurt by that - more people get sick, more people die. There is also certainly a race and class dimension to that. If you begin to look at all of these “isms” coming up; we are hobbling ourselves in our response because these structural issues are rearing their ugly heads and we don’t have access to some of the minds, action, thinking, skill, capacity and effort of the majority of people. 


  • Tim: We are talking on a national level at this point but we are also seeing this in the teams we are working with as well. As a result, some of the bigger picture of the work is getting lost. Seeing this enables us to be more tactical in our response / more deliberate in how we design our process. This is not about just identifying gender bias but if we can build these types of analysis, then we can organize ourselves more effectively to counterbalance them. This analysis can provide for a deliberate response and ultimately for a more equitable world. 


  • Tues: When people are in their stress behaviour, when they pull back, I think these biases are more likely to come out. Less reflective, going faster, more impatience, less able to listen. When those personal pieces begin to have patterns that show bias then it’s worth us bringing them to bear. Have compassion and notice the pattern and work with the pattern. 


  • Tim: I’m finding that shaming is being given permission during COVID. Are you finding that? 


  • Tues: Yes. I have not heard direct shaming but I have seen rants on Facebook about what other people are doing. To be fair, I can feel it. When I am on the trail and cannot get 6 feet away from people, there is a sense that we have to take care of each other. When people have a sense of threat, then shaming becomes justified. I was listening to a podcast with Esther Perel, a famous relationship expert, and she said that the problem here is that we all think we have the right information. With this lack of clarity around COVID, everyone thinks their position is right. Class-wise, I am wondering if this is happening more in middle class communities?


  • Tim: I wonder if we could chat about what it has been like to lead an organization in the midst of all of this? We’ve had to pivot and redesign and not take massive risks and really change our plans and really distribute leadership to our teams. 


  • Tues: What I am holding that I want to share out is that we are trying to think of “who are we” in this crisis and give some real attention to that. We went through the purpose and principles of the company with our team to ask who we want to be, as a company, in this crisis. We are trying to be as thoughtful and transparent as we can be together and share with the team as much as possible. There has been a lot of thoughtfulness, and trying to have a lot of thoughtfulness around equity, in our leadership. I feel proud that we are trying to live by, expand, think through our principles as a company as this happens in this pivot. We are not just surviving, we are trying to figure this out as we go. 


  • Tim: What’s been interesting for me is not wanting to compromise on quality even though we are reducing cost. I feel proud that we are taking a stand for quality. We are taking time to think things through. Although we are contracting, we are simultaneously expanding. That makes it exciting to come to work that both those things are happening. 


  • Tues: COVID will be a huge period of transformation for The Outside and I will look back and be proud. 


Song: “Makhloogh” by Googoosh


Poem: “Old and Black, A Prayer” by Charlene Carruthers


I will watch my relatives

grow old. 


so old

that they remember battling twenty five tyrannical presidents


so old

that they know

paper food stamps and free land


so old

that they meet

my great grandaughters daughters best friend


so old

that they remember

that one time so I don't have to


so old

that they watch

this empire fall and never strike back


so old

that they rest and witness

us win.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 46:25

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 2.16: Unsettled - Facing Ourselves As We Shelter In Place 2.16: Unsettled - Facing Ourselves As We Shelter In Place Tue, 05 May 2020 09:00:05 GMT 35:30 5eb09e36c81f629c375f2be0 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5eb09e36c81f629c375f2be0 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 216-unsettled For episode sixteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday reflect on how sheltering in place, during COVID-19, is presenting an opportunity for the discovery of other parts of ourselves and how unsettling that can be. full 2 16 For episode sixteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday reflect on how sheltering in place, during COVID-19, is presenting an opportunity for the discovery of other parts of ourselves and how unsettling that can be. 


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.16 — SHOW NOTES



  • Tim: This week on the podcast we are going to talk about being “unsettled.”


  • Tues: I think this feels really timely. Last week we hit the month mark and folks had been doing so much to get everything pulled together - how do I get my kids figuring school out, how do I figure out what I am going to do for work? The first month of quarantine was filled with activity, of figuring it out, and then last week it was like, “oh, this is what we are doing” and I feel like things just kind of busted loose. Last week you saw people get more anxious, more depressed, more angry. The first month was all hands on deck and last week it turned to “oh, my gosh, we are doing this thing” and I think it’s deeply unsettling. 


  • Tues: Several headlines I’ve read have talked about the second COVID crisis will be around mental health. There is no place to go for our coping besides internal and often that spills out to the people external to us. 


  • Tim: What I am beginning to discover, under the boredom piece for me, is a thirst for freedom. The desire to not feel trapped. A lot of that is related to being sent away to school for so long at such a young age and then essentially being confined within an institution for so much of my young life. So I am doing a lot of things that allow me to seek that feeling of not being trapped. Walking has been one of those. 


  • Tim: I’ve been roaming through boredom, depression and desperately trying to find tasks to keep me busy. I put on a mixed tape the other day and it was perfect. It was like 25 year old me had made it for me for this moment. I wonder what other parts of us we are discovering to help us in these times? 


  • Tim: I’m finding in the midst of what feels trapped, and quite dark and quite uncomfortable, and quite painful for me sometimes in terms of what I am encountering inside myself, I’m also finding there are these moments where something just clicks. A little bit of beauty happens, a little bit of synchronicity takes place that creates that feeling of freedom. It’s a funny world right now because I feel like I am wandering between these multiple different states. 


  • Tues: I know what you mean! I feel like at the beginning of this sheltering in place/quarantine it was day-by-day and now it feels like hour-by-hour. I listen to a lot of podcasts and people are talking about a going back to things that gave them comfort earlier in their life - music, old TV show, old clothes, old friends from high school… familiarity. People are seeking some of that in the midst of all this uncertainty. That feels really interesting to me because I think we are both pretty self-reflective people and yet this period is almost making us go to the root, of the root, of the root. Now we can’t get away from it - you have to go into that particular thing and get to know the nuances of it. Right now I try to turn toward it - walk/run, journal, etc. 


  • Tim: There is a lot of forgiveness in our house at the moment; not making things bigger than they already are in our house and that seems to be very healthy. There is a lot of letting things go in terms of the emotional tennis that is happening in households right now. 


  • Tues: A lot of it is acknowledging that it is a hard time for everyone so you can give grace. 


  • Tim: We are all facing our shadows. I know it might sound trite but now we are getting the opportunity to deal with our deepest, darkest shit. So many of the structures that are in place are now falling away and we are now being faced with things that we structured our lives to avoid. 


  • Tues: It might be trite… but it is also true and it is a choice. We can or we can’t. We will or we won’t. I don’t think we have too. I think that we could all stumble through this, coping the best we can - in good ways and in bad ways - and come out the other side with not a bit more insight or self-reflection and just having survived. I feel really strongly that if my mind is going to try and take me to these places, I am going to go. I am going to try and use it as an opportunity, and I won’t take every opportunity and I won’t do it perfectly, but the world doesn’t get to stop and slow down that often and you don’t get to really look and have these things come up. The things, the very things, we have tried to avoid are coming up. We do have a choice and we don’t have to make it everyday… some days you can just listen to really loud music. 


  • Tim: In addition to all this personal practice that is going on, some of the stuff we have been navigating is in our business. How do you and I distribute wealth between us during this period? How are we tending to, and looking after, our subcontractors? Who needs what during a period of crisis? 


  • Tues: We know that conversations on equity can be a challenge at the best of times and then when you have a lot of economic uncertainty, that we’re facing, it’s quite interesting. We just said that this gives us the opportunity to look at things we haven’t had to look at, we’ve structured ourselves in a way that we haven’t had to look at them and so that would also be true in terms of any money issues. We haven’t, either personally or professionally, had to go too deeply into them. We’ve had some really good conversations that had to be quite explicit and frank. What does it mean that you [Tim] have family money and I don’t? What does that mean when we are running a business together that is having some contraction and the partners in the business have a different level of wealth to fall back into / that they can count on? What does that mean going forward? What does that mean as we do things that are building the business but are not billable hours? Because I [Tues] have less family wealth, we should give me more billable hours but you [Tim] are still working? It’s quite complex and emotional and it’s about our good friendship and it’s about this lens we have. How do we build a company together across class?


  • Tues: This is what is happening now with The Outside. This is part of the “unsettled” part of this pandemic. The decisions now are not just short-term, it’s medium and long-term and what does this mean for us across time, and what does that mean for us in our different circumstances and what does this mean for our different perspectives around our company income and revenue. All of it is up now. It’s coming up for us personally, for our company, and for our clients. One of the things we’ve talked about is that there is a tendency to go back to a more traditional, mechanistic, command and control leadership right now. But, some of the people in our client base are thinking this is a time when we could choose do be different here. It’s a choice point in the organization. That’s happening at every level we’re working with right now. It’s all levels, all the time. 



Song: “A message to myself,” by Roo Panes


Poem: “Untitled,” from the book “Lele Kawa: The rituals of Pele," by Taupouri Tangaro


Olelo i ke aka

Ka hele ho’okahi e

Mamina ka leo

He leo wale no e


Speaking to the shadow

Is what one does when travelling alone

Treasure the voice

For it gives sound to the thoughts otherwise dormant.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 35:29

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> For episode sixteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday reflect on how sheltering in place, during COVID-19, is presenting an opportunity for the discovery of other parts of ourselves and how unsettling that can be. 


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.16 — SHOW NOTES



  • Tim: This week on the podcast we are going to talk about being “unsettled.”


  • Tues: I think this feels really timely. Last week we hit the month mark and folks had been doing so much to get everything pulled together - how do I get my kids figuring school out, how do I figure out what I am going to do for work? The first month of quarantine was filled with activity, of figuring it out, and then last week it was like, “oh, this is what we are doing” and I feel like things just kind of busted loose. Last week you saw people get more anxious, more depressed, more angry. The first month was all hands on deck and last week it turned to “oh, my gosh, we are doing this thing” and I think it’s deeply unsettling. 


  • Tues: Several headlines I’ve read have talked about the second COVID crisis will be around mental health. There is no place to go for our coping besides internal and often that spills out to the people external to us. 


  • Tim: What I am beginning to discover, under the boredom piece for me, is a thirst for freedom. The desire to not feel trapped. A lot of that is related to being sent away to school for so long at such a young age and then essentially being confined within an institution for so much of my young life. So I am doing a lot of things that allow me to seek that feeling of not being trapped. Walking has been one of those. 


  • Tim: I’ve been roaming through boredom, depression and desperately trying to find tasks to keep me busy. I put on a mixed tape the other day and it was perfect. It was like 25 year old me had made it for me for this moment. I wonder what other parts of us we are discovering to help us in these times? 


  • Tim: I’m finding in the midst of what feels trapped, and quite dark and quite uncomfortable, and quite painful for me sometimes in terms of what I am encountering inside myself, I’m also finding there are these moments where something just clicks. A little bit of beauty happens, a little bit of synchronicity takes place that creates that feeling of freedom. It’s a funny world right now because I feel like I am wandering between these multiple different states. 


  • Tues: I know what you mean! I feel like at the beginning of this sheltering in place/quarantine it was day-by-day and now it feels like hour-by-hour. I listen to a lot of podcasts and people are talking about a going back to things that gave them comfort earlier in their life - music, old TV show, old clothes, old friends from high school… familiarity. People are seeking some of that in the midst of all this uncertainty. That feels really interesting to me because I think we are both pretty self-reflective people and yet this period is almost making us go to the root, of the root, of the root. Now we can’t get away from it - you have to go into that particular thing and get to know the nuances of it. Right now I try to turn toward it - walk/run, journal, etc. 


  • Tim: There is a lot of forgiveness in our house at the moment; not making things bigger than they already are in our house and that seems to be very healthy. There is a lot of letting things go in terms of the emotional tennis that is happening in households right now. 


  • Tues: A lot of it is acknowledging that it is a hard time for everyone so you can give grace. 


  • Tim: We are all facing our shadows. I know it might sound trite but now we are getting the opportunity to deal with our deepest, darkest shit. So many of the structures that are in place are now falling away and we are now being faced with things that we structured our lives to avoid. 


  • Tues: It might be trite… but it is also true and it is a choice. We can or we can’t. We will or we won’t. I don’t think we have too. I think that we could all stumble through this, coping the best we can - in good ways and in bad ways - and come out the other side with not a bit more insight or self-reflection and just having survived. I feel really strongly that if my mind is going to try and take me to these places, I am going to go. I am going to try and use it as an opportunity, and I won’t take every opportunity and I won’t do it perfectly, but the world doesn’t get to stop and slow down that often and you don’t get to really look and have these things come up. The things, the very things, we have tried to avoid are coming up. We do have a choice and we don’t have to make it everyday… some days you can just listen to really loud music. 


  • Tim: In addition to all this personal practice that is going on, some of the stuff we have been navigating is in our business. How do you and I distribute wealth between us during this period? How are we tending to, and looking after, our subcontractors? Who needs what during a period of crisis? 


  • Tues: We know that conversations on equity can be a challenge at the best of times and then when you have a lot of economic uncertainty, that we’re facing, it’s quite interesting. We just said that this gives us the opportunity to look at things we haven’t had to look at, we’ve structured ourselves in a way that we haven’t had to look at them and so that would also be true in terms of any money issues. We haven’t, either personally or professionally, had to go too deeply into them. We’ve had some really good conversations that had to be quite explicit and frank. What does it mean that you [Tim] have family money and I don’t? What does that mean when we are running a business together that is having some contraction and the partners in the business have a different level of wealth to fall back into / that they can count on? What does that mean going forward? What does that mean as we do things that are building the business but are not billable hours? Because I [Tues] have less family wealth, we should give me more billable hours but you [Tim] are still working? It’s quite complex and emotional and it’s about our good friendship and it’s about this lens we have. How do we build a company together across class?


  • Tues: This is what is happening now with The Outside. This is part of the “unsettled” part of this pandemic. The decisions now are not just short-term, it’s medium and long-term and what does this mean for us across time, and what does that mean for us in our different circumstances and what does this mean for our different perspectives around our company income and revenue. All of it is up now. It’s coming up for us personally, for our company, and for our clients. One of the things we’ve talked about is that there is a tendency to go back to a more traditional, mechanistic, command and control leadership right now. But, some of the people in our client base are thinking this is a time when we could choose do be different here. It’s a choice point in the organization. That’s happening at every level we’re working with right now. It’s all levels, all the time. 



Song: “A message to myself,” by Roo Panes


Poem: “Untitled,” from the book “Lele Kawa: The rituals of Pele," by Taupouri Tangaro


Olelo i ke aka

Ka hele ho’okahi e

Mamina ka leo

He leo wale no e


Speaking to the shadow

Is what one does when travelling alone

Treasure the voice

For it gives sound to the thoughts otherwise dormant.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 35:29

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 2.15: Together + Apart: COVID-19 is not the same for all of us 2.15: Together + Apart: COVID-19 is not the same for all of us Tue, 21 Apr 2020 09:00:02 GMT 31:16 5e9ce07f6c91e5775578072b true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5e9ce07f6c91e5775578072b 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 215-together-apart For episode fifteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday introduce you to two members of the Outside Team. We hear their perspectives, from two different parts of the world, on COVID-19 and how we are not all experiencing this pandemic in the same way. full 1 15 For episode fifteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday are excited to introduce you to two members of the Outside Team, Bronagh Gallagher and Sommer Sibilly-Brown. We hear their perspectives, from two different parts of the world, on COVID-19 and talk about how we are not all experiencing this pandemic in the same way.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.15 — SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: Today on the podcast, we have two Outsiders with us! Welcome, Sommer & Bronagh. Our podcast continues to be about this pandemic. We wanted to talk with some other folks on our team as it has become clear that not all of us are affected in the same way. We’re seeing in the news more and more everyday about how people are disproportionally affected. We thought it might be great to hear from the two of you, who are in very different parts of the world than Tim and I, to hear what’s happening there, what you’re noticing and we can ground this conversation of it’s happening to all of us but it’s not the same for all of us in our own lived experience. 


  • Tim: I feel this podcast is juxtaposed to a lot of the stuff that turns up on my social media - themes which are like, “now we’re discovering the great equalizer,” “we’re all in this together,” “finally there is a shared human experience”… and we are not all experiencing this the same. And so I think this podcast, is somewhat in response to that. 


  • Sommer Sibilly-Brown: I live in the St. Croix US Virgin Islands and in my day job, when I am not an Outsider, I run a food systems organization that focuses on food systems change. I live in a predominantly black and brown community and I have the awesome opportunity to work and learn with The Outside and its multiplicity of Outsiders; learning a lot more about equity, complexity science and really how we attack large-scale systems change so I can bring some of that work and that lens here to the Virgin Islands. 


  • Bronagh Gallagher: Based in Glasgow, Scotland. Been working for The Outside for over 1 year now - involved in prototyping, how to work with complex systems and also in this inquiry with you all around how to make systems change, equity systems change, and not just changing a system for the sake of it and building in old patterns. 


  • Bronagh: Some of the other work that I am actively involved in is around economic systems change related to climate breakdown and so really finding the parallels with the conversations I’ve been in around that versus where we are now with the pandemic in which a lot of the stuff that we have been arguing for, in order to create a better world for everyone, was completely off the table 3-4 months ago is now suddenly moving from the “politically impossible” to the “politically inevitable.” We’re seeing conversations about universal basic income, we’re seeing massive amounts of money suddenly being available when we were told that they weren’t… so that is really fascinating from a political perspective. The flip side of this is that around us, there is a really horrible virus killing people, it is being massively disruptive to people’s lives. Everyone I know is negotiating huge amounts of personal stress, health stress, family stress, work stress, and it’s such an intensely exhausting moment to be in.


  • Bronagh: Sitting in Glasgow, I’m just noticing where the numbers of people testing positive are considerably higher than in comparable areas and really wondering what that means and what that is? There is not a real analysis coming through yet but one thing that Glasgow is well-known for is being the “sick man” of Europe. This is known as the “Glasgow Effect” where the death rate is significantly higher than similar post-industrial cities… so really curious to see if the existing health inequalities will be a part of why we are recording such considerably higher numbers. 


  • Tues: This feels like it is quite analogous with what’s happening in the US where we’re seeing more COVID-19 deaths among black folks and there are just a few cities who are just starting to track by race; who is being infected and who is dying from COVID. It’s disproportionally black and brown people; black people specifically and it’s because of long-term health disparities. Are you saying that is what’s happening in Glasgow… that the long-term disparities are manifesting through COVID? Can you say more, Bronagh?


  • Bronagh: I’m noticing that the numbers in Glasgow are significantly higher than I think for comparable cities… but we don’t have the analysis on that yet but I am wondering if the pre-existing health inequalities in this city are one of the reasons why folks are experiencing it a lot more. I think we are just seeing that ill health is often socially determined and so communities which have a lot of socially determined ill health are going to be the most “vulnerable.”


  • Tim: Bronagh, when you say “heath inequalities’ can you just make that very, very laymen’s terms for me? What exactly are you pointing to? Can you also break down “social determinants?” 


  • Bronagh: So one of the ways of thinking about this is how poverty is actually a social determinant - how your lived experience of poverty actually makes you more vulnerable to illness, to heart attacks, to strokes, to cancer. The stress of that kind of existence makes you more vulnerable to those experiences of ill heath. Poverty is a social determinant.


  • Tues: As we go into this conversation and we say that not all of us are experiencing this the same; this is a key part of it. This idea of class, race, different marginalized groups are going be more vulnerable simply because of pre-existing conditions. 


  • Sommer: St. Croix, US Virgin Islands, is a territory. We are an unincorporated territory and I think the largest fare for me is how invisible we tend to be to our nation. As you talk about structural inequalities, we talk about communities that have high level of vulnerabilities… we import 98% of our food, my sister territories have predominantly huge instances of obesity so 60% of my population (20-40yrs) are all vulnerable. When you couple that with two devastating back-to-back hurricanes, that we experienced in 2017, and a hospital that is in recovery where we don’t have access to respirators… those structural inequalities also puts another layer/lens of equity, and service and what justice means for people. What health justice means for people for whom the disaster was created way before COVID. While we are dealing with COVID-19, the other issue is how do we manage what is here in a system that was not made to see me and my community. 


  • Tues: Sommer, you’ve been so clear here and careful in calling the US Virgin Islands a territory but I’ve also heard you refer to it as a colony and I’m asking you to go a little deeper into what you understand around the relationship with the US as a territory. What does that look like? What does it mean to be a territory?


  • Sommer: What it means to be a territory of the US is that we are owned property. We are run through the Department of Interior. As an unincorporated territory that means we cannot apply for statehood. So Puerto Rico is a Commonwealth and statehood is an option. For unincorporated territories it means our territory has not been officially incorporated into the American status. It’s still a level of ownership… and so we are in that regard a colony because technically the United States owns us and we are probably four major steps away from being able to ever consider statehood. 


  • Tim: How much of this is class? And Bronagh, are you seeing a geographical parallel as Sommer described it?


  • Bronagh: For me, it is being experienced/witnessed as having a very direct class relationship. A really basic framing of it is the rich went to their private islands and yachts, the middle classes stayed home and worried about their kids, and the working class folks had to go and stock shelves, drive buses and take people around and they got very, very, very sick. That is really basic but pretty accurate reading of how this is impacting people.


  • Tues: That’s such a clear way of showing the stratification. To keep us all integrated, we can sometimes be that clear when the classes are all white. Just to name that class is a huge factor and here, at least, we cannot separate from race. Class here is so inextricably tied with race and often gender. Here in the US, people want to say it’s about class, not race. It’s a clear way to not talk about race here instead of really talking about the fact that we have structurally stratified our economy so that black and brown folks are in the lower class. Here there is a real overlay with race. 


  • Tim: We’re beginning a conversation and we are inviting you in. As always with The Outside, there are no simple answers but by seeing it and hearing these perspectives from the different parts of the world we get to understand this in a completely different level and way then we would if I was just living in sweet, little Mahone Bay. 


  • Tues: We’ll be having these conversations together as Outsiders. Bronagh & Sommer, you are both are so brilliant. This is why I leave our team meetings so happy. Thank you for being here! 


 

  • Poem: “Untitled,” by Sommer Sibilly-Brown


Does a Black Heart Bleed Black Blood?

Does a Black man make Black Love?

Does Being Black now signify everything that I am ?

Or will ever be?

Am I Black?

Or is Being Black Me?

Does Being Black, mean seeing Black?

Black Vision 

The Black Decision 

Do the Right thing.

 Not the White thing !

And Manifest your Black Destiny 

Black Days

Black Ways 

Black Magic

BLACK MAJESTY 

Brought on Blackships

Beaten with Black Whips 

Stole Freedom in the Black Night

Fought the Black Fight 

That one day Black might 

Escape the Black lagoon 

And Break the Black Cocoon 

And Fly high Black Butterfly 

And Celebrate myself and my way of life

Than more than some Black Holiday


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 31:59

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> For episode fifteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday are excited to introduce you to two members of the Outside Team, Bronagh Gallagher and Sommer Sibilly-Brown. We hear their perspectives, from two different parts of the world, on COVID-19 and talk about how we are not all experiencing this pandemic in the same way.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.15 — SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: Today on the podcast, we have two Outsiders with us! Welcome, Sommer & Bronagh. Our podcast continues to be about this pandemic. We wanted to talk with some other folks on our team as it has become clear that not all of us are affected in the same way. We’re seeing in the news more and more everyday about how people are disproportionally affected. We thought it might be great to hear from the two of you, who are in very different parts of the world than Tim and I, to hear what’s happening there, what you’re noticing and we can ground this conversation of it’s happening to all of us but it’s not the same for all of us in our own lived experience. 


  • Tim: I feel this podcast is juxtaposed to a lot of the stuff that turns up on my social media - themes which are like, “now we’re discovering the great equalizer,” “we’re all in this together,” “finally there is a shared human experience”… and we are not all experiencing this the same. And so I think this podcast, is somewhat in response to that. 


  • Sommer Sibilly-Brown: I live in the St. Croix US Virgin Islands and in my day job, when I am not an Outsider, I run a food systems organization that focuses on food systems change. I live in a predominantly black and brown community and I have the awesome opportunity to work and learn with The Outside and its multiplicity of Outsiders; learning a lot more about equity, complexity science and really how we attack large-scale systems change so I can bring some of that work and that lens here to the Virgin Islands. 


  • Bronagh Gallagher: Based in Glasgow, Scotland. Been working for The Outside for over 1 year now - involved in prototyping, how to work with complex systems and also in this inquiry with you all around how to make systems change, equity systems change, and not just changing a system for the sake of it and building in old patterns. 


  • Bronagh: Some of the other work that I am actively involved in is around economic systems change related to climate breakdown and so really finding the parallels with the conversations I’ve been in around that versus where we are now with the pandemic in which a lot of the stuff that we have been arguing for, in order to create a better world for everyone, was completely off the table 3-4 months ago is now suddenly moving from the “politically impossible” to the “politically inevitable.” We’re seeing conversations about universal basic income, we’re seeing massive amounts of money suddenly being available when we were told that they weren’t… so that is really fascinating from a political perspective. The flip side of this is that around us, there is a really horrible virus killing people, it is being massively disruptive to people’s lives. Everyone I know is negotiating huge amounts of personal stress, health stress, family stress, work stress, and it’s such an intensely exhausting moment to be in.


  • Bronagh: Sitting in Glasgow, I’m just noticing where the numbers of people testing positive are considerably higher than in comparable areas and really wondering what that means and what that is? There is not a real analysis coming through yet but one thing that Glasgow is well-known for is being the “sick man” of Europe. This is known as the “Glasgow Effect” where the death rate is significantly higher than similar post-industrial cities… so really curious to see if the existing health inequalities will be a part of why we are recording such considerably higher numbers. 


  • Tues: This feels like it is quite analogous with what’s happening in the US where we’re seeing more COVID-19 deaths among black folks and there are just a few cities who are just starting to track by race; who is being infected and who is dying from COVID. It’s disproportionally black and brown people; black people specifically and it’s because of long-term health disparities. Are you saying that is what’s happening in Glasgow… that the long-term disparities are manifesting through COVID? Can you say more, Bronagh?


  • Bronagh: I’m noticing that the numbers in Glasgow are significantly higher than I think for comparable cities… but we don’t have the analysis on that yet but I am wondering if the pre-existing health inequalities in this city are one of the reasons why folks are experiencing it a lot more. I think we are just seeing that ill health is often socially determined and so communities which have a lot of socially determined ill health are going to be the most “vulnerable.”


  • Tim: Bronagh, when you say “heath inequalities’ can you just make that very, very laymen’s terms for me? What exactly are you pointing to? Can you also break down “social determinants?” 


  • Bronagh: So one of the ways of thinking about this is how poverty is actually a social determinant - how your lived experience of poverty actually makes you more vulnerable to illness, to heart attacks, to strokes, to cancer. The stress of that kind of existence makes you more vulnerable to those experiences of ill heath. Poverty is a social determinant.


  • Tues: As we go into this conversation and we say that not all of us are experiencing this the same; this is a key part of it. This idea of class, race, different marginalized groups are going be more vulnerable simply because of pre-existing conditions. 


  • Sommer: St. Croix, US Virgin Islands, is a territory. We are an unincorporated territory and I think the largest fare for me is how invisible we tend to be to our nation. As you talk about structural inequalities, we talk about communities that have high level of vulnerabilities… we import 98% of our food, my sister territories have predominantly huge instances of obesity so 60% of my population (20-40yrs) are all vulnerable. When you couple that with two devastating back-to-back hurricanes, that we experienced in 2017, and a hospital that is in recovery where we don’t have access to respirators… those structural inequalities also puts another layer/lens of equity, and service and what justice means for people. What health justice means for people for whom the disaster was created way before COVID. While we are dealing with COVID-19, the other issue is how do we manage what is here in a system that was not made to see me and my community. 


  • Tues: Sommer, you’ve been so clear here and careful in calling the US Virgin Islands a territory but I’ve also heard you refer to it as a colony and I’m asking you to go a little deeper into what you understand around the relationship with the US as a territory. What does that look like? What does it mean to be a territory?


  • Sommer: What it means to be a territory of the US is that we are owned property. We are run through the Department of Interior. As an unincorporated territory that means we cannot apply for statehood. So Puerto Rico is a Commonwealth and statehood is an option. For unincorporated territories it means our territory has not been officially incorporated into the American status. It’s still a level of ownership… and so we are in that regard a colony because technically the United States owns us and we are probably four major steps away from being able to ever consider statehood. 


  • Tim: How much of this is class? And Bronagh, are you seeing a geographical parallel as Sommer described it?


  • Bronagh: For me, it is being experienced/witnessed as having a very direct class relationship. A really basic framing of it is the rich went to their private islands and yachts, the middle classes stayed home and worried about their kids, and the working class folks had to go and stock shelves, drive buses and take people around and they got very, very, very sick. That is really basic but pretty accurate reading of how this is impacting people.


  • Tues: That’s such a clear way of showing the stratification. To keep us all integrated, we can sometimes be that clear when the classes are all white. Just to name that class is a huge factor and here, at least, we cannot separate from race. Class here is so inextricably tied with race and often gender. Here in the US, people want to say it’s about class, not race. It’s a clear way to not talk about race here instead of really talking about the fact that we have structurally stratified our economy so that black and brown folks are in the lower class. Here there is a real overlay with race. 


  • Tim: We’re beginning a conversation and we are inviting you in. As always with The Outside, there are no simple answers but by seeing it and hearing these perspectives from the different parts of the world we get to understand this in a completely different level and way then we would if I was just living in sweet, little Mahone Bay. 


  • Tues: We’ll be having these conversations together as Outsiders. Bronagh & Sommer, you are both are so brilliant. This is why I leave our team meetings so happy. Thank you for being here! 


 

  • Poem: “Untitled,” by Sommer Sibilly-Brown


Does a Black Heart Bleed Black Blood?

Does a Black man make Black Love?

Does Being Black now signify everything that I am ?

Or will ever be?

Am I Black?

Or is Being Black Me?

Does Being Black, mean seeing Black?

Black Vision 

The Black Decision 

Do the Right thing.

 Not the White thing !

And Manifest your Black Destiny 

Black Days

Black Ways 

Black Magic

BLACK MAJESTY 

Brought on Blackships

Beaten with Black Whips 

Stole Freedom in the Black Night

Fought the Black Fight 

That one day Black might 

Escape the Black lagoon 

And Break the Black Cocoon 

And Fly high Black Butterfly 

And Celebrate myself and my way of life

Than more than some Black Holiday


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 31:59

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 2.14: ETHOS - On Matching Our Rhetoric With Our Action 2.14: ETHOS - On Matching Our Rhetoric With Our Action Tue, 07 Apr 2020 09:00:07 GMT 47:20 5e780767c4057c5e6c18cec3 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5e780767c4057c5e6c18cec3 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 214-ethos For episode fourteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday host a conversation with members of the NYC ACS Operations Team where they reflect on the work so far, their learnings and their advice for those helping to lead large-scale change across a system. full 1 14 For episode fourteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday host a conversation with members of the NYC Administration for Children Services Operations Team where they reflect on the work so far, their learnings and their advice for those helping to lead large-scale change across a system.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.14 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: Today on the podcast, we have guests!! We have three members - Zachary Howard, Marc Santora & Cherika Wilson - of our Operations Team from a project, “Equity Throughout Our System (ETHOS),” we are working on at the NYC Administration for Children’s Services Workforce Institute. 


  • Marc: ACS Workforce Institute is a collaboration between ACS, which is a city agency, and CUNY, which is a city university in New York, and there are two layers of that - there’s CUNY School of Professional Studies and CUNY Hunter Collage and so all those entities work together to provide training for direct service staff in child welfare and juvenile justice. We are impacting that system. We are training people to do that work. ACS is an agency of approx. 12,000 people and we work with 63 contracted provider agencies.


  • Tues: There are about 24,000 workers that you are training that then move out to the families. That’s quite a reach. 



  • Zachary: Everyone in the Workforce Institute makes sure that it’s always on the table. We make sure our language is consistent and it becomes part of our everyday. 


  • Cherika: We have a highly disproportionate number of children of colour that are affected by and come into contact with the system and so as we go about doing our jobs, regardless of whatever part of the organization we’re in, that is something that we are constantly thinking about. How do we make sure that there is equity throughout our system for the families that we work with. This initiative [ETHOS] is part of how we really engage in that to move that work to the next level.


  • Marc: We surround ourselves all the time with people who that is their work. We know that there is inequity in the system, we know that that exists and so we use it as a springboard to inform the rest of our work so we’ve done things like having a reflective process every couple of weeks, we’ve done racism trainings and this work that we are doing with The Outside is very much centred around that. It’s been 2+ years of us priming the pump to talk about this. 


  • Tim: In some of the early conversations, David would talk about ACS and the Workforce institute, as a whole, is positioned to lead transformation across the child welfare system… If the mandate is systems change through capacity building… how’s that feel? What’s it like to have that mandate and scope? 


  • Marc: We have really passionate people who this is their life’s work so that is a really good starting point for us because this is not just a job for most people; this is what they want to do with their lives. It makes it easier on one end but it also makes it harder because there are so many different directions that it can go in. Because we are three different entities working together as one, there are so many hoops that we need to jump through just to make things work and so there is so much passion but how do you put a process to that? That’s been the thing that has been the most difficult for us. 


  • Zachary: I’ve only been in this job a year and I struggled a bit not being closer to the families directly but I participated in the fiscal year retreat where we saw the numbers of learners and families that we affected and it made it easier to wake up in the morning to do the work knowing you are helping on such a large scale. There’s going to be trips and falls but you can trip to get back up to make it work, which is what we’ve been doing. 


  • Cherika: I think something the organization tries to do, regardless of your role, is connecting you back to your role. What is my sphere of control and influence? We make a commitment to this work every single day.


  • Tues: What is the ETHOS project? What do the three of you tell the folks who are not in the Core Team?


  • Marc: This is my third day in training with TO and yesterday, Tuesday you said “coming home is often the hardest thing to do.” I think that’s true for us. We are all really good at knowing this is what is wrong here and we couldn’t necessarily figure out how to bring it back to us and I think this is where this initiative started. How do we set up a system and structure that we can then push out? If we don’t have the system ourselves, how do we then tell other people how to do it? We wanted to not only tell them, but show them - model it - and I think we just couldn’t figure out how to do that because there are so many voices and so many people that have so much passion around how to do it and we all have the answers… how do we take that and make it all true and make it move. 


  • Zachary: When my co-workers ask who are The Outside and what do they do? I describe it as they come in when organizations want a systems change. They help organizations to pinpoint the issues or problems and then get everyone on the same playing ground and take these problems and move them to something successful. A lot of people are used to prescribed answers but with The Outside you delve deep into what is going on in the organization and move in that direction. I appreciate that you don’t work in the prescribed. It’s hard to get 30 people to talk and share their ideas in a constructive plateau to move forward. 


  • Cherika: As I think about it, I think the ETHOS initiative has given us the permission to take the steps and make the changes that we need to make sure that the walk matches our talk. TO has guided us through a process to help us figure out the answers and it’s been a really interesting, and sometimes challenging, road to be on and I’ve been grateful to be in the process.


  • Marc: There is also an element of slowing us down. That is a thing that we don’t do well. Everything is results, results, drive, drive. This is making us practice not moving so fast and being more thoughtful around things that we are doing. In an outcome-driven environment, we’re not taking the time to think about things in the way that we should. This is giving us a platform and space to do it and it’s also feeding into everyone’s psychological safety in doing that. 


  • Tues: I want to pull out that safety piece. We had a moment with the Leadership Team where we had them doing a walk with their eyes closed. It’s quite a vulnerable space. What came out was that someone said, “I felt safe because I was with this person.” We didn’t do the things that would normally do to make a safe environment. People found their safety with each other. It felt like a really good learning moment.

  • Cherika: What I appreciate about the work that you’ve [The Outside] done with us is that we have to commit to the same level of vulnerable and it makes a difference in terms of building relationship and building trust. We’re all figuring this out together. 


  • Zachary: When it comes to safety, between reflective process and Open Space, we are slowing down to have the little moments to build relationship and safety. I think we can work together when everyone is in the best mindset. 


  • Tim: Hearing all of you speak blows me away… some of the most significant and transformative moments happen between two individuals and somehow that ends up changing the culture of the initiative as a whole which ends up impacting the future of a system. You’ve all talked about matching our rhetoric with our action - truly beginning to behave how we would like the system to behave. 


  • Tues + Tim: I’d love for you to share something that you’ve learned through the ETHOS project? Or any advice that you’d give people based upon what you are learning.


  • Marc: Be nice to yourself and each other and notice one another. Care for each other in the process.


  • Cherika: Be patient and be okay with the questions and trust the process. Relationships are important. As you go through the work, remember to bring it back to the people who are not as intimately involved. 


  • Zachary: It’s okay to be uncomfortable - lean in when you are uncomfortable. 


Song: "Paradigm of Lies,” by Zach’s band Ocean of Illusions


Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/OceanOfIllus... 

Twitter: @OOI_NJ 

Instagram: oceanofillusionsnj 

Bandcamp: https://oceanofillusions.bandcamp.com

 

Poem: “Harlem” by Langston Hughes


What happens to a dream deferred?


      Does it dry up

      like a raisin in the sun?

      Or fester like a sore—

      And then run?

      Does it stink like rotten meat?

      Or crust and sugar over—

      like a syrupy sweet?


      Maybe it just sags

      like a heavy load.


      Or does it explode?


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 47:20

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> For episode fourteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday host a conversation with members of the NYC Administration for Children Services Operations Team where they reflect on the work so far, their learnings and their advice for those helping to lead large-scale change across a system.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.14 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: Today on the podcast, we have guests!! We have three members - Zachary Howard, Marc Santora & Cherika Wilson - of our Operations Team from a project, “Equity Throughout Our System (ETHOS),” we are working on at the NYC Administration for Children’s Services Workforce Institute. 


  • Marc: ACS Workforce Institute is a collaboration between ACS, which is a city agency, and CUNY, which is a city university in New York, and there are two layers of that - there’s CUNY School of Professional Studies and CUNY Hunter Collage and so all those entities work together to provide training for direct service staff in child welfare and juvenile justice. We are impacting that system. We are training people to do that work. ACS is an agency of approx. 12,000 people and we work with 63 contracted provider agencies.


  • Tues: There are about 24,000 workers that you are training that then move out to the families. That’s quite a reach. 



  • Zachary: Everyone in the Workforce Institute makes sure that it’s always on the table. We make sure our language is consistent and it becomes part of our everyday. 


  • Cherika: We have a highly disproportionate number of children of colour that are affected by and come into contact with the system and so as we go about doing our jobs, regardless of whatever part of the organization we’re in, that is something that we are constantly thinking about. How do we make sure that there is equity throughout our system for the families that we work with. This initiative [ETHOS] is part of how we really engage in that to move that work to the next level.


  • Marc: We surround ourselves all the time with people who that is their work. We know that there is inequity in the system, we know that that exists and so we use it as a springboard to inform the rest of our work so we’ve done things like having a reflective process every couple of weeks, we’ve done racism trainings and this work that we are doing with The Outside is very much centred around that. It’s been 2+ years of us priming the pump to talk about this. 


  • Tim: In some of the early conversations, David would talk about ACS and the Workforce institute, as a whole, is positioned to lead transformation across the child welfare system… If the mandate is systems change through capacity building… how’s that feel? What’s it like to have that mandate and scope? 


  • Marc: We have really passionate people who this is their life’s work so that is a really good starting point for us because this is not just a job for most people; this is what they want to do with their lives. It makes it easier on one end but it also makes it harder because there are so many different directions that it can go in. Because we are three different entities working together as one, there are so many hoops that we need to jump through just to make things work and so there is so much passion but how do you put a process to that? That’s been the thing that has been the most difficult for us. 


  • Zachary: I’ve only been in this job a year and I struggled a bit not being closer to the families directly but I participated in the fiscal year retreat where we saw the numbers of learners and families that we affected and it made it easier to wake up in the morning to do the work knowing you are helping on such a large scale. There’s going to be trips and falls but you can trip to get back up to make it work, which is what we’ve been doing. 


  • Cherika: I think something the organization tries to do, regardless of your role, is connecting you back to your role. What is my sphere of control and influence? We make a commitment to this work every single day.


  • Tues: What is the ETHOS project? What do the three of you tell the folks who are not in the Core Team?


  • Marc: This is my third day in training with TO and yesterday, Tuesday you said “coming home is often the hardest thing to do.” I think that’s true for us. We are all really good at knowing this is what is wrong here and we couldn’t necessarily figure out how to bring it back to us and I think this is where this initiative started. How do we set up a system and structure that we can then push out? If we don’t have the system ourselves, how do we then tell other people how to do it? We wanted to not only tell them, but show them - model it - and I think we just couldn’t figure out how to do that because there are so many voices and so many people that have so much passion around how to do it and we all have the answers… how do we take that and make it all true and make it move. 


  • Zachary: When my co-workers ask who are The Outside and what do they do? I describe it as they come in when organizations want a systems change. They help organizations to pinpoint the issues or problems and then get everyone on the same playing ground and take these problems and move them to something successful. A lot of people are used to prescribed answers but with The Outside you delve deep into what is going on in the organization and move in that direction. I appreciate that you don’t work in the prescribed. It’s hard to get 30 people to talk and share their ideas in a constructive plateau to move forward. 


  • Cherika: As I think about it, I think the ETHOS initiative has given us the permission to take the steps and make the changes that we need to make sure that the walk matches our talk. TO has guided us through a process to help us figure out the answers and it’s been a really interesting, and sometimes challenging, road to be on and I’ve been grateful to be in the process.


  • Marc: There is also an element of slowing us down. That is a thing that we don’t do well. Everything is results, results, drive, drive. This is making us practice not moving so fast and being more thoughtful around things that we are doing. In an outcome-driven environment, we’re not taking the time to think about things in the way that we should. This is giving us a platform and space to do it and it’s also feeding into everyone’s psychological safety in doing that. 


  • Tues: I want to pull out that safety piece. We had a moment with the Leadership Team where we had them doing a walk with their eyes closed. It’s quite a vulnerable space. What came out was that someone said, “I felt safe because I was with this person.” We didn’t do the things that would normally do to make a safe environment. People found their safety with each other. It felt like a really good learning moment.

  • Cherika: What I appreciate about the work that you’ve [The Outside] done with us is that we have to commit to the same level of vulnerable and it makes a difference in terms of building relationship and building trust. We’re all figuring this out together. 


  • Zachary: When it comes to safety, between reflective process and Open Space, we are slowing down to have the little moments to build relationship and safety. I think we can work together when everyone is in the best mindset. 


  • Tim: Hearing all of you speak blows me away… some of the most significant and transformative moments happen between two individuals and somehow that ends up changing the culture of the initiative as a whole which ends up impacting the future of a system. You’ve all talked about matching our rhetoric with our action - truly beginning to behave how we would like the system to behave. 


  • Tues + Tim: I’d love for you to share something that you’ve learned through the ETHOS project? Or any advice that you’d give people based upon what you are learning.


  • Marc: Be nice to yourself and each other and notice one another. Care for each other in the process.


  • Cherika: Be patient and be okay with the questions and trust the process. Relationships are important. As you go through the work, remember to bring it back to the people who are not as intimately involved. 


  • Zachary: It’s okay to be uncomfortable - lean in when you are uncomfortable. 


Song: "Paradigm of Lies,” by Zach’s band Ocean of Illusions


Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/OceanOfIllus... 

Twitter: @OOI_NJ 

Instagram: oceanofillusionsnj 

Bandcamp: https://oceanofillusions.bandcamp.com

 

Poem: “Harlem” by Langston Hughes


What happens to a dream deferred?


      Does it dry up

      like a raisin in the sun?

      Or fester like a sore—

      And then run?

      Does it stink like rotten meat?

      Or crust and sugar over—

      like a syrupy sweet?


      Maybe it just sags

      like a heavy load.


      Or does it explode?


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 47:20

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 2:13: Choices - How Are We Turning Up During This Unprecedented Time? 2:13: Choices - How Are We Turning Up During This Unprecedented Time? Tue, 24 Mar 2020 09:00:52 GMT 31:58 5e78031ead090baf1aab63b0 false http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5e78031ead090baf1aab63b0 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 213-choices For episode thirteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday reach out to explain what they are doing, both personally and professionally, during the Coronavirus outbreak. full 1 13 For episode thirteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday reach out to explain what they are doing, both personally and professionally, during the Coronavirus outbreak.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.13 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Reading: “Do Not Lose Heart, We Were Made for These Times: Letter to a Young Activist During Troubled Times,” by Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés


My friends, do not lose heart. We were made for these times. I have heard from so many recently who are deeply and properly bewildered. They are concerned about the state of affairs in our world now. Ours is a time of almost daily astonishment and often righteous rage over the latest degradations of what matters most to civilized, visionary people.


You are right in your assessments. The lustre and hubris some have aspired to while endorsing acts so heinous against children, elders, everyday people, the poor, the unguarded, the helpless, is breathtaking. Yet, I urge you, ask you, gentle you, to please not spend your spirit dry by bewailing these difficult times. Especially do not lose hope. Most particularly because, the fact is that we were made for these times. Yes. For years, we have been learning, practicing, been in training for and just waiting to meet on this exact plain of engagement.


I grew up on the Great Lakes and recognize a seaworthy vessel when I see one. Regarding awakened souls, there have never been more able vessels in the waters than there are right now across the world. And they are fully provisioned and able to signal one another as never before in the history of humankind.


Look out over the prow; there are millions of boats of righteous souls on the waters with you. Even though your veneers may shiver from every wave in this stormy roil, I assure you that the long timbers composing your prow and rudder come from a greater forest. That long-grained lumber is known to withstand storms, to hold together, to hold its own, and to advance, regardless.


In any dark time, there is a tendency to veer toward fainting over how much is wrong or unmended in the world. Do not focus on that. There is a tendency, too, to fall into being weakened by dwelling on what is outside your reach, by what cannot yet be. Do not focus there. That is spending the wind without raising the sails.


We are needed, that is all we can know. And though we meet resistance, we more so will meet great souls who will hail us, love us and guide us, and we will know them when they appear. Didn’t you say you were a believer? Didn’t you say you pledged to listen to a voice greater? Didn’t you ask for grace? Don’t you remember that to be in grace means to submit to the voice greater?


Ours is not the task of fixing the entire world all at once, but of stretching out to mend the part of the world that is within our reach. Any small, calm thing that one soul can do to help another soul, to assist some portion of this poor suffering world, will help immensely. It is not given to us to know which acts or by whom, will cause the critical mass to tip toward an enduring good.


What is needed for dramatic change is an accumulation of acts, adding, adding to, adding more, continuing. We know that it does not take everyone on Earth to bring justice and peace, but only a small, determined group who will not give up during the first, second, or hundredth gale.


One of the most calming and powerful actions you can do to intervene in a stormy world is to stand up and show your soul. Soul on deck shines like gold in dark times. The light of the soul throws sparks, can send up flares, builds signal fires, causes proper matters to catch fire. To display the lantern of soul in shadowy times like these – to be fierce and to show mercy toward others; both are acts of immense bravery and greatest necessity.


Struggling souls catch light from other souls who are fully lit and willing to show it. If you would help to calm the tumult, this is one of the strongest things you can do.


There will always be times when you feel discouraged. I too have felt despair many times in my life, but I do not keep a chair for it. I will not entertain it. It is not allowed to eat from my plate.


The reason is this: In my uttermost bones I know something, as do you. It is that there can be no despair when you remember why you came to Earth, who you serve, and who sent you here. The good words we say and the good deeds we do are not ours. They are the words and deeds of the One who brought us here. In that spirit, I hope you will write this on your wall: When a great ship is in harbor and moored, it is safe, there can be no doubt. But that is not what great ships are built for.

 

  • Tim + Tuesday: Today, we are talking about Coronavirus… it’s here and it’s real and it feels like the elephant in the room if we don’t talk about it. 


  • Tues: Her [Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés] words were what I know in my bones but have had trouble remembering. In some ways I can feel in interactions, that I might be viewed as “Pollyanna"; not based in reality as what is… in my bones I know that I cannot accept the invitation to fear and despair. 


  • Tim: What does ‘Pollyanna” mean?


  • Tues: “Pollyanna” is a person who is always on the bright side, positive thinker, not based on reality. 


  • Tim: You are choosing how you are going to turn up. One of the things that have blown me away over the last few weeks are the Facebook groups that have kicked off all across Canada. One woman started a small Facebook group and called it “Care Mongering” - it was a group where people in her community could come together and identify offers or needs that they have and exchange them… and now they are all across Canada. Two of the things I really like about this is (1) It’s just so kind; and (2) It was emergent - it was not organized. 


  • Tues: We just wanted to be with people though this podcast. Tim, what are the things that you are doing to take care of yourself?


  • Tim: Today, in particular, I am wearing a rather fetching tweed tie - in a funny way I am doing little things that give me pleasure. It feels fun and nice. I am getting a lot of time with my kids - we are playing a lot and talking a lot. I am also getting out and walking three times a day. This really helps me to stay centered. If there is a theme to this podcast it is choices. I definitely have more anxiety then I would normally have… and I have to look after the part of me that is worried. I need to look after it and be kind. 


  • Tues: Late last week, I decided to really limit social media. As a person who has a tendency towards anxiety, I had a sense of the amount of collective anxiety. I felt like I could not continue to keep reading… but I keep myself informed by reputable people. I am also committed to being active everyday and eating good food. I am being responsible and responsive. 


  • Tim: Let’s talk about The Outside. In 10 minutes time, we are jumping on with one of many organizations around online collaboration platforms. Our major clients that we are working with right now are front-line responders to situations like the Coronavirus outbreak. And so, we are in this tension between, obviously you have to respond to the immediate and urgent but it cannot be in complete dismissal of the long-term systemic changes that we are trying to overcome together or make progress on together. Everything is being pushed out - the virus itself is going to take 4 months to push through a region - and so we are looking at online collaboration platforms that we can start building. These are not event- based; we are going after something that can hold collaboration over an extended period of time. We’ve set up a whole bunch of demos and conversations - this fits a whole bunch of things we are doing at The Outside. It fits the declaration of climate emergency that we are beginning to craft, which is looking at what is our responsibility to carbon emissions, how do we respond to that and it also looks at how do you deal with increasing global crisis that results in increasing fragmentation globally and still organize together systemically together to solve major problems. 


  • Tues: We are trying to respond and meet people where they are in the crisis as well as seeing what is possible in this moment… which could be a really different way of gathering people virtually that is better for our planet and actually allows more voices in. There is all sorts of implications for equity that working in a different way could bring us. I can feel the fragility of this moment and I can also feel the possibility of it. 


  • Tim: We are deliberately looking at how we can combine synchronize and asynchronous efforts. 


  • Tues: I’m really curious to see what we [The Outside] can create and put out into the world as more time and space opens up.


  • Tim: On that note, all of The Outside online courses - Leading Effective Meetings & Shared Work - are now available for FREE to anyone that is interested… right now until June 30, 2020. Also, we are brainstorming a weekly update from us and developing a list of resources that we have that we could make available. 


Song: “Sweet Inspiration” by the Derek Trucks Band



Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 31:53

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> For episode thirteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday reach out to explain what they are doing, both personally and professionally, during the Coronavirus outbreak.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.13 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Reading: “Do Not Lose Heart, We Were Made for These Times: Letter to a Young Activist During Troubled Times,” by Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés


My friends, do not lose heart. We were made for these times. I have heard from so many recently who are deeply and properly bewildered. They are concerned about the state of affairs in our world now. Ours is a time of almost daily astonishment and often righteous rage over the latest degradations of what matters most to civilized, visionary people.


You are right in your assessments. The lustre and hubris some have aspired to while endorsing acts so heinous against children, elders, everyday people, the poor, the unguarded, the helpless, is breathtaking. Yet, I urge you, ask you, gentle you, to please not spend your spirit dry by bewailing these difficult times. Especially do not lose hope. Most particularly because, the fact is that we were made for these times. Yes. For years, we have been learning, practicing, been in training for and just waiting to meet on this exact plain of engagement.


I grew up on the Great Lakes and recognize a seaworthy vessel when I see one. Regarding awakened souls, there have never been more able vessels in the waters than there are right now across the world. And they are fully provisioned and able to signal one another as never before in the history of humankind.


Look out over the prow; there are millions of boats of righteous souls on the waters with you. Even though your veneers may shiver from every wave in this stormy roil, I assure you that the long timbers composing your prow and rudder come from a greater forest. That long-grained lumber is known to withstand storms, to hold together, to hold its own, and to advance, regardless.


In any dark time, there is a tendency to veer toward fainting over how much is wrong or unmended in the world. Do not focus on that. There is a tendency, too, to fall into being weakened by dwelling on what is outside your reach, by what cannot yet be. Do not focus there. That is spending the wind without raising the sails.


We are needed, that is all we can know. And though we meet resistance, we more so will meet great souls who will hail us, love us and guide us, and we will know them when they appear. Didn’t you say you were a believer? Didn’t you say you pledged to listen to a voice greater? Didn’t you ask for grace? Don’t you remember that to be in grace means to submit to the voice greater?


Ours is not the task of fixing the entire world all at once, but of stretching out to mend the part of the world that is within our reach. Any small, calm thing that one soul can do to help another soul, to assist some portion of this poor suffering world, will help immensely. It is not given to us to know which acts or by whom, will cause the critical mass to tip toward an enduring good.


What is needed for dramatic change is an accumulation of acts, adding, adding to, adding more, continuing. We know that it does not take everyone on Earth to bring justice and peace, but only a small, determined group who will not give up during the first, second, or hundredth gale.


One of the most calming and powerful actions you can do to intervene in a stormy world is to stand up and show your soul. Soul on deck shines like gold in dark times. The light of the soul throws sparks, can send up flares, builds signal fires, causes proper matters to catch fire. To display the lantern of soul in shadowy times like these – to be fierce and to show mercy toward others; both are acts of immense bravery and greatest necessity.


Struggling souls catch light from other souls who are fully lit and willing to show it. If you would help to calm the tumult, this is one of the strongest things you can do.


There will always be times when you feel discouraged. I too have felt despair many times in my life, but I do not keep a chair for it. I will not entertain it. It is not allowed to eat from my plate.


The reason is this: In my uttermost bones I know something, as do you. It is that there can be no despair when you remember why you came to Earth, who you serve, and who sent you here. The good words we say and the good deeds we do are not ours. They are the words and deeds of the One who brought us here. In that spirit, I hope you will write this on your wall: When a great ship is in harbor and moored, it is safe, there can be no doubt. But that is not what great ships are built for.

 

  • Tim + Tuesday: Today, we are talking about Coronavirus… it’s here and it’s real and it feels like the elephant in the room if we don’t talk about it. 


  • Tues: Her [Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés] words were what I know in my bones but have had trouble remembering. In some ways I can feel in interactions, that I might be viewed as “Pollyanna"; not based in reality as what is… in my bones I know that I cannot accept the invitation to fear and despair. 


  • Tim: What does ‘Pollyanna” mean?


  • Tues: “Pollyanna” is a person who is always on the bright side, positive thinker, not based on reality. 


  • Tim: You are choosing how you are going to turn up. One of the things that have blown me away over the last few weeks are the Facebook groups that have kicked off all across Canada. One woman started a small Facebook group and called it “Care Mongering” - it was a group where people in her community could come together and identify offers or needs that they have and exchange them… and now they are all across Canada. Two of the things I really like about this is (1) It’s just so kind; and (2) It was emergent - it was not organized. 


  • Tues: We just wanted to be with people though this podcast. Tim, what are the things that you are doing to take care of yourself?


  • Tim: Today, in particular, I am wearing a rather fetching tweed tie - in a funny way I am doing little things that give me pleasure. It feels fun and nice. I am getting a lot of time with my kids - we are playing a lot and talking a lot. I am also getting out and walking three times a day. This really helps me to stay centered. If there is a theme to this podcast it is choices. I definitely have more anxiety then I would normally have… and I have to look after the part of me that is worried. I need to look after it and be kind. 


  • Tues: Late last week, I decided to really limit social media. As a person who has a tendency towards anxiety, I had a sense of the amount of collective anxiety. I felt like I could not continue to keep reading… but I keep myself informed by reputable people. I am also committed to being active everyday and eating good food. I am being responsible and responsive. 


  • Tim: Let’s talk about The Outside. In 10 minutes time, we are jumping on with one of many organizations around online collaboration platforms. Our major clients that we are working with right now are front-line responders to situations like the Coronavirus outbreak. And so, we are in this tension between, obviously you have to respond to the immediate and urgent but it cannot be in complete dismissal of the long-term systemic changes that we are trying to overcome together or make progress on together. Everything is being pushed out - the virus itself is going to take 4 months to push through a region - and so we are looking at online collaboration platforms that we can start building. These are not event- based; we are going after something that can hold collaboration over an extended period of time. We’ve set up a whole bunch of demos and conversations - this fits a whole bunch of things we are doing at The Outside. It fits the declaration of climate emergency that we are beginning to craft, which is looking at what is our responsibility to carbon emissions, how do we respond to that and it also looks at how do you deal with increasing global crisis that results in increasing fragmentation globally and still organize together systemically together to solve major problems. 


  • Tues: We are trying to respond and meet people where they are in the crisis as well as seeing what is possible in this moment… which could be a really different way of gathering people virtually that is better for our planet and actually allows more voices in. There is all sorts of implications for equity that working in a different way could bring us. I can feel the fragility of this moment and I can also feel the possibility of it. 


  • Tim: We are deliberately looking at how we can combine synchronize and asynchronous efforts. 


  • Tues: I’m really curious to see what we [The Outside] can create and put out into the world as more time and space opens up.


  • Tim: On that note, all of The Outside online courses - Leading Effective Meetings & Shared Work - are now available for FREE to anyone that is interested… right now until June 30, 2020. Also, we are brainstorming a weekly update from us and developing a list of resources that we have that we could make available. 


Song: “Sweet Inspiration” by the Derek Trucks Band



Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 31:53

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 2.12: Invitation: On Inviting People Into The Work, And Seeing Invitations As Challenge and Positive Shake-Up For Ourselves As Leaders 2.12: Invitation: On Inviting People Into The Work, And Seeing Invitations As Challenge and Positive Shake-Up For Ourselves As Leaders Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:00:30 GMT 41:24 5e46a64dcab65aa916885d39 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5e46a64dcab65aa916885d39 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 invitation For episode twelve of season two, Tim and Tuesday speak directly to the invitations they are receiving in the work of getting big change done. full 2 12 For episode twelve of season two, Tim and Tuesday speak directly to the invitations they are receiving in the work of getting big change done. At this particular time in the world, what new dimensions and new experiences might we say ‘yes’ to in order to stay awake, see clearly and take action?


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.12 —— SHOW NOTES

  • Tues: When we talk about invitation we tend to focus outward - how do we invite folks in; which is really important and a key part of our work, but I like this different twist you are inviting, Tim. What are the invitations we are saying yes to?
  • Tim: One of the recent invitations I said yes too was Bioneers in California. It was an invitation that engaged me and my life in things I would never experience otherwise—to engage with cultures and beliefs and song and poetry and ways of thinking about the world that kind of expand me and my family’s view.
  • Tues: At this moment, I am in a cycle of saying “yes” to intuition. I was invited to a three-day Collective Consciousness Retreat exploring ritual, meditation and a more structured dialogue practice to surface what was between us. It felt like one of those little side doors. Within the first 10 minutes someone in the group talked about ‘trustlessness’ - the idea that trust isn’t even the currency we should be using. It was for me as radical an idea as getting rid of capitalism. I want to be with people who are really pushing an idea.
  • Tim: The idea of “side doors” significantly informs our work together. Some of those journeys are therapeutic, some are courses we do, some are events we attend, some of those journeys are conversations we have with people we are close to. These “side doors” are pushing us and expanding us.
  • Tim: At Bioneers, I went to a panel discussion hosted by Jerry Tello, where he talked about his experience of working with the sacred masculine… and he finished on this line: “do your own work.” This is what you are pointing too, Tues. Trust your own intuition to take you to places that take you beyond your own comfort, that focus you into your own work, that force you to grow.
  • Tues: There is an old Art of Hosting question that says, “If you were born a question, what question would it be?” My question is “How do I help these people be together better?” It goes right back to the guiding principals of The Outside. The bones of it are collective liberation.
  • Tim: I would love our listeners to go to our Facebook page or Instagram and post their question there. My question would be “How do we create the conditions for people to solve their own problems?”
  • Tues: Do you think this is a different time in human history for this? Is there something possible at this time?
  • Tim: I think you are asking a question that someone like Gibrán Rivera or my brother, Peter Merry, who have done very specific investigation into evolutionary leadership can answer. I don’t know whether this is a unique time in the world… but what I do know is that I am alive and I want to make the best of it.
  • Tues: What I want to end on is asking our listeners to get a little quiet and see what the invitations are that they are receiving now. You can also post this to our social media as well.
  • Poem turned into Song: “Switch It On,” an original song by Merry And Derkee (Tim Merry & Marc Derkee), produced by Gary Blakemore.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 41:21

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> For episode twelve of season two, Tim and Tuesday speak directly to the invitations they are receiving in the work of getting big change done. At this particular time in the world, what new dimensions and new experiences might we say ‘yes’ to in order to stay awake, see clearly and take action?


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.12 —— SHOW NOTES

  • Tues: When we talk about invitation we tend to focus outward - how do we invite folks in; which is really important and a key part of our work, but I like this different twist you are inviting, Tim. What are the invitations we are saying yes to?
  • Tim: One of the recent invitations I said yes too was Bioneers in California. It was an invitation that engaged me and my life in things I would never experience otherwise—to engage with cultures and beliefs and song and poetry and ways of thinking about the world that kind of expand me and my family’s view.
  • Tues: At this moment, I am in a cycle of saying “yes” to intuition. I was invited to a three-day Collective Consciousness Retreat exploring ritual, meditation and a more structured dialogue practice to surface what was between us. It felt like one of those little side doors. Within the first 10 minutes someone in the group talked about ‘trustlessness’ - the idea that trust isn’t even the currency we should be using. It was for me as radical an idea as getting rid of capitalism. I want to be with people who are really pushing an idea.
  • Tim: The idea of “side doors” significantly informs our work together. Some of those journeys are therapeutic, some are courses we do, some are events we attend, some of those journeys are conversations we have with people we are close to. These “side doors” are pushing us and expanding us.
  • Tim: At Bioneers, I went to a panel discussion hosted by Jerry Tello, where he talked about his experience of working with the sacred masculine… and he finished on this line: “do your own work.” This is what you are pointing too, Tues. Trust your own intuition to take you to places that take you beyond your own comfort, that focus you into your own work, that force you to grow.
  • Tues: There is an old Art of Hosting question that says, “If you were born a question, what question would it be?” My question is “How do I help these people be together better?” It goes right back to the guiding principals of The Outside. The bones of it are collective liberation.
  • Tim: I would love our listeners to go to our Facebook page or Instagram and post their question there. My question would be “How do we create the conditions for people to solve their own problems?”
  • Tues: Do you think this is a different time in human history for this? Is there something possible at this time?
  • Tim: I think you are asking a question that someone like Gibrán Rivera or my brother, Peter Merry, who have done very specific investigation into evolutionary leadership can answer. I don’t know whether this is a unique time in the world… but what I do know is that I am alive and I want to make the best of it.
  • Tues: What I want to end on is asking our listeners to get a little quiet and see what the invitations are that they are receiving now. You can also post this to our social media as well.
  • Poem turned into Song: “Switch It On,” an original song by Merry And Derkee (Tim Merry & Marc Derkee), produced by Gary Blakemore.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 41:21

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 2:11: Hope: How To Protect The Optimism We Need For Massive Response And Massive Heart 2:11: Hope: How To Protect The Optimism We Need For Massive Response And Massive Heart Tue, 03 Mar 2020 10:00:54 GMT 36:24 5e388bb81d31b9c253a80e85 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5e388bb81d31b9c253a80e85 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 211-hope For episode eleven of season two, Tim and Tuesday reflect on how hope can — and must — co-exist with an acknowledgement of where we are, even in crisis or struggle. full 2 11 For episode eleven of season two, Tim and Tuesday reflect on how hope can — and must — co-exist with an acknowledgement of where we are, even in crisis or struggle. If we are to respond massively to an emerging future, and grapple with our current reality, what steps can we take to preserve optimism?


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.10 —— SHOW NOTES

  • Tim: There’s a Thomas Merton quote about finding rightness in the work itself, to surrender the hope of results. And I came across this quote from William the Silent: “It is not necessary to hope in order to persevere.” There is one story that I’ve come across in our work - how important hope has been to persevere.
  • Tues: The quote that comes to me is a Toni Morrison quote: “You wanna fly, you got to give up the shit that weighs you down.” I believe my ancestors, on both sides, had deep hope as they left their shores - that there was something different, something better.
  • Tim: I feel like we are in the midst of a level of crisis that is now beginning to truly impact the middle and middle-upper classes in a way it hasn’t before in such a pervasive scale, scope and reach. I think that’s a piece of the class response that I want to identify and have some compassion for and not pretend it’s not a product of privilege. It makes me think of the quote from Rumi: “Sit down and be quiet. You are drunk, and this is the edge of the roof.”
  • Tues: I wonder about my own lens and perspective; I feel there is no lack of material for hope for me. My vantage point is of people who are actively working and trying.
  • Tim: This kind of analysis that becoming acquainted with despair, but still maintaining hope, is an issue of how insulated your life has been.
  • Tues: Whose going to make it and who is not? Disaster capitalists are moving into Puerto Rico right now and beginning to set themselves up for when it all goes down and the question is what will happen to the Puerto Ricans who are there?
  • Tim: What does it mean to not prioritize engaging with the emergence of consciousness among the privileged classes and the fragility that comes with that? This kind of awakening to the level of despair, because you are experiencing it… I am intrigued by that. How this get’s integrated into how we think about significant change happening. I also don’t want it to be the thing that slows us down.
  • Tues: It’s not do we engage it or don’t we - it’s how and when and why. Everyone gets to decide what their own energy level is.
  • Tim: When we go into those stories that are so intimately connected to us, we find both the “You are drunk, and this is the edge of the roof” and we find the hope, the gift, the power to stand in the face of it and take the next step.


Poem: Build the Arks (King Kong Song) by Tim Merry


I just read about the coming of the ice age

Earth’s rage

The mighty mother, the sage,

Turning another page

Of evolution

A natural solution

The vibration

Of creation

Melting ice caps into the gulf stream flows

The European heating system blows

Beyond repair

My mother, father, sister, brother live there

Stop, bear witness, take a long good stare

Digest our reality and start to care

The planet is movin’ on

We all be livin’ in the final swan song

The future’s comin’ on strong

Like King Kong

We all be the hapless maiden

Looking in his big brown eyes

Beginning to realise

It’s all beyond our control

Bigger than we’ll ever be

See?

Fuck the swan song,

This is the King Kong song

We ain’t got no choice but to go along.


No more prizes for predicting the rain

The pain

New starts

Time to build the arks


What’s my contribution

At this crazy time?

Am I gonna whine

Complain

About the pain?

The fact we all seem to be going insane?

No!

Trust in surprise

Integrity has no compromise

Release all ties

Open the eyes.


Our survival seems hit and miss

Like the world is taking the piss

A final good night kiss

All this material wealth

The illusion of bliss

It’s a big mis –stake

Time to rake

The fallen leaves

Autumn choices

Winter bereaves


Not everyone will make it

We can’t fake it

There’s no hiding

From this colliding

With the end of an era

It’s never been clearer

Some will get left behind

Linger in our minds

Their remains to find

In millions of years

As we learn again our evolution

From homo-confusion

Homo-luminum


No more prizes for predicting the rain

The pain

New starts

Time to build the arks


Gather now at our community centres

With friends and mentors

And Elders

We all be the welders

Of fragmentation


On the edges of the new creation

The builders of the New Space Station

Right here in the arms of the mother

Where the heroes gather undercover

Sensing the future with sonar sound

The builders of boats abound

Readying for the coming storms

Trainers of the warriors who break the norms

Yield to the field

Drop the shield


What are the skills we need to survive?

To be one of ones alive

Who looks back

Thinking

“holy shit how did we survive that?”

What does it take to make the warrior caste

To see our king kong future comin’ on fast

Then look back and know it as the past?


This ain’t about seekin’ thrills

We need to know the survival skills

Get into training

I’m not exaggerating

I wish I was

This is real,

now

here

It’s time to get clear.


There’s no more prizes for predicting the rain

The pain

New starts

It’s time to build the arks


Song: Faith’s Hymn by Beautiful Chorus


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 47:20

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> For episode eleven of season two, Tim and Tuesday reflect on how hope can — and must — co-exist with an acknowledgement of where we are, even in crisis or struggle. If we are to respond massively to an emerging future, and grapple with our current reality, what steps can we take to preserve optimism?


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.10 —— SHOW NOTES

  • Tim: There’s a Thomas Merton quote about finding rightness in the work itself, to surrender the hope of results. And I came across this quote from William the Silent: “It is not necessary to hope in order to persevere.” There is one story that I’ve come across in our work - how important hope has been to persevere.
  • Tues: The quote that comes to me is a Toni Morrison quote: “You wanna fly, you got to give up the shit that weighs you down.” I believe my ancestors, on both sides, had deep hope as they left their shores - that there was something different, something better.
  • Tim: I feel like we are in the midst of a level of crisis that is now beginning to truly impact the middle and middle-upper classes in a way it hasn’t before in such a pervasive scale, scope and reach. I think that’s a piece of the class response that I want to identify and have some compassion for and not pretend it’s not a product of privilege. It makes me think of the quote from Rumi: “Sit down and be quiet. You are drunk, and this is the edge of the roof.”
  • Tues: I wonder about my own lens and perspective; I feel there is no lack of material for hope for me. My vantage point is of people who are actively working and trying.
  • Tim: This kind of analysis that becoming acquainted with despair, but still maintaining hope, is an issue of how insulated your life has been.
  • Tues: Whose going to make it and who is not? Disaster capitalists are moving into Puerto Rico right now and beginning to set themselves up for when it all goes down and the question is what will happen to the Puerto Ricans who are there?
  • Tim: What does it mean to not prioritize engaging with the emergence of consciousness among the privileged classes and the fragility that comes with that? This kind of awakening to the level of despair, because you are experiencing it… I am intrigued by that. How this get’s integrated into how we think about significant change happening. I also don’t want it to be the thing that slows us down.
  • Tues: It’s not do we engage it or don’t we - it’s how and when and why. Everyone gets to decide what their own energy level is.
  • Tim: When we go into those stories that are so intimately connected to us, we find both the “You are drunk, and this is the edge of the roof” and we find the hope, the gift, the power to stand in the face of it and take the next step.


Poem: Build the Arks (King Kong Song) by Tim Merry


I just read about the coming of the ice age

Earth’s rage

The mighty mother, the sage,

Turning another page

Of evolution

A natural solution

The vibration

Of creation

Melting ice caps into the gulf stream flows

The European heating system blows

Beyond repair

My mother, father, sister, brother live there

Stop, bear witness, take a long good stare

Digest our reality and start to care

The planet is movin’ on

We all be livin’ in the final swan song

The future’s comin’ on strong

Like King Kong

We all be the hapless maiden

Looking in his big brown eyes

Beginning to realise

It’s all beyond our control

Bigger than we’ll ever be

See?

Fuck the swan song,

This is the King Kong song

We ain’t got no choice but to go along.


No more prizes for predicting the rain

The pain

New starts

Time to build the arks


What’s my contribution

At this crazy time?

Am I gonna whine

Complain

About the pain?

The fact we all seem to be going insane?

No!

Trust in surprise

Integrity has no compromise

Release all ties

Open the eyes.


Our survival seems hit and miss

Like the world is taking the piss

A final good night kiss

All this material wealth

The illusion of bliss

It’s a big mis –stake

Time to rake

The fallen leaves

Autumn choices

Winter bereaves


Not everyone will make it

We can’t fake it

There’s no hiding

From this colliding

With the end of an era

It’s never been clearer

Some will get left behind

Linger in our minds

Their remains to find

In millions of years

As we learn again our evolution

From homo-confusion

Homo-luminum


No more prizes for predicting the rain

The pain

New starts

Time to build the arks


Gather now at our community centres

With friends and mentors

And Elders

We all be the welders

Of fragmentation


On the edges of the new creation

The builders of the New Space Station

Right here in the arms of the mother

Where the heroes gather undercover

Sensing the future with sonar sound

The builders of boats abound

Readying for the coming storms

Trainers of the warriors who break the norms

Yield to the field

Drop the shield


What are the skills we need to survive?

To be one of ones alive

Who looks back

Thinking

“holy shit how did we survive that?”

What does it take to make the warrior caste

To see our king kong future comin’ on fast

Then look back and know it as the past?


This ain’t about seekin’ thrills

We need to know the survival skills

Get into training

I’m not exaggerating

I wish I was

This is real,

now

here

It’s time to get clear.


There’s no more prizes for predicting the rain

The pain

New starts

It’s time to build the arks


Song: Faith’s Hymn by Beautiful Chorus


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 47:20

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 2:10: Power: Finding The Language To Navigate Power And Share It With Others 2:10: Power: Finding The Language To Navigate Power And Share It With Others Tue, 18 Feb 2020 10:00:27 GMT 42:30 5e388883db67c0f94f393871 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5e388883db67c0f94f393871 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 210-power For episode ten of season two, Tim and Tuesday contemplate what exactly we mean by the concept of power — intergroup, structural or systemic. How can we best share it, and invite more people to pick it up? full 2 10 For episode ten of season two, Tim and Tuesday contemplate what exactly we mean by the concept of power — intergroup, structural or systemic. How can we best share it, and invite more people to pick it up? How can we wield the power we have with integrity?

Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.

2.10 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: As we are getting ready to release a new online course on Shared Work, we realized we never did a podcast on Power. When we say power, we’re talking about multiple different kinds of power — intergroup, structural or systemic. There are three major kinds of power: (1) Power OVER: one group has more, and one group has less (i.e. race, gender, heterosexism, class, ability); (2) Power FOR: based on an advocacy model - I have power and I will use it on your behalf (i.e. therapist in family violence). Comes from a place of good intent but a challenging place to keep your ego and ethics in check; and (3) Power WITH: Coalitions/collaboratives - use our power together to move something forward (i.e. action, agenda). One of the dangers is that it can make us quite transactional with each other.
  • Tim: The therapeutic lens called ‘transactional analysis’ is a lens that can help us understand wherever power is turning up in our world.
  • Tues: Of course there is an element of personal power… and that still exists within this context of power in a larger societal or structural way. I can evolve and transform and be as aligned with my own power as I want but still in this moment, in North America, I have a very different future than you. Could we begin to conceive that, Tim, if you have more power; I have more power? Does power rest among us that we can tap into that is unlimited?
  • Tim: There is something quite natural about power among (i.e. schools of fish).
  • Tues: Cyndi Suarez wrote The Power Manual: How to Master Complex Power Dynamics. I’d love to bring her on to talk to her about what she is uncovering on power.
  • Tim: Power has been misused pretty consistently and therefore has become untrustworthy. It wasn’t until I met Toke Møller that I met a man attempting to wield his power with some integrity.
  • Tues: If you don’t have a great model of power, it is quite hard to determine how you will use it. So instead I pretend I don’t have any and wield it unconsciously or I can pretend it is happening out there and, again, wield it unconsciously. Fear of our own use of power keeps us from some real conversations and real change.
  • Tim: The more I engaged through my work, with people in positions I perceived as powerful, the more I had to deal with my own issues of power. Suddenly, I’m realizing that I am arriving with a fundamental distrust of all these people because of the position they hold. That’s an indicator to me that I had work to do.
  • Tues: For me, I showed up in those rooms not trusting and really because of societal positioning not feeling worthy being in those rooms. As a result, I had to get comfortable with my power.
  • Tim: A lot of the analysis have become codified in our heads and then we become inflexible and then we only see power through those lenses. I feel that one of the essential ingredients of engaging with power is curiosity.
  • Tues: You’re right and so if you don’t engage around power at all, the invitation is to get curious around how power is playing out in your organization and in your work and get curious about it. If you have a sophisticated discourse around power then I think the invitation is to really look at where that’s helpful and where it forwards your work and where it might be holding you back and what else can you get curious about. Let’s not pretend that it does not matter and have some agility and flexibility with it.


Poem: “Sometimes” by Sheenagh Pugh


Sometimes things don't go, after all,

from bad to worse. Some years, muscadel

faces down frost; green thrives; the crops don't fail,

sometimes we aim high, and all goes well.

A people sometimes will step back from war;

elect an honest man, decide they care

enough, that they can't leave some stranger poor.

Some men become what they were born for.

Sometimes our best efforts do not go

amiss, sometimes we do as we meant to.

The sun will sometimes melt a field of sorrow

that seemed hard frozen: may it happen for you.


Song: The Power by Snap


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 42:26

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> For episode ten of season two, Tim and Tuesday contemplate what exactly we mean by the concept of power — intergroup, structural or systemic. How can we best share it, and invite more people to pick it up? How can we wield the power we have with integrity?

Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.

2.10 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: As we are getting ready to release a new online course on Shared Work, we realized we never did a podcast on Power. When we say power, we’re talking about multiple different kinds of power — intergroup, structural or systemic. There are three major kinds of power: (1) Power OVER: one group has more, and one group has less (i.e. race, gender, heterosexism, class, ability); (2) Power FOR: based on an advocacy model - I have power and I will use it on your behalf (i.e. therapist in family violence). Comes from a place of good intent but a challenging place to keep your ego and ethics in check; and (3) Power WITH: Coalitions/collaboratives - use our power together to move something forward (i.e. action, agenda). One of the dangers is that it can make us quite transactional with each other.
  • Tim: The therapeutic lens called ‘transactional analysis’ is a lens that can help us understand wherever power is turning up in our world.
  • Tues: Of course there is an element of personal power… and that still exists within this context of power in a larger societal or structural way. I can evolve and transform and be as aligned with my own power as I want but still in this moment, in North America, I have a very different future than you. Could we begin to conceive that, Tim, if you have more power; I have more power? Does power rest among us that we can tap into that is unlimited?
  • Tim: There is something quite natural about power among (i.e. schools of fish).
  • Tues: Cyndi Suarez wrote The Power Manual: How to Master Complex Power Dynamics. I’d love to bring her on to talk to her about what she is uncovering on power.
  • Tim: Power has been misused pretty consistently and therefore has become untrustworthy. It wasn’t until I met Toke Møller that I met a man attempting to wield his power with some integrity.
  • Tues: If you don’t have a great model of power, it is quite hard to determine how you will use it. So instead I pretend I don’t have any and wield it unconsciously or I can pretend it is happening out there and, again, wield it unconsciously. Fear of our own use of power keeps us from some real conversations and real change.
  • Tim: The more I engaged through my work, with people in positions I perceived as powerful, the more I had to deal with my own issues of power. Suddenly, I’m realizing that I am arriving with a fundamental distrust of all these people because of the position they hold. That’s an indicator to me that I had work to do.
  • Tues: For me, I showed up in those rooms not trusting and really because of societal positioning not feeling worthy being in those rooms. As a result, I had to get comfortable with my power.
  • Tim: A lot of the analysis have become codified in our heads and then we become inflexible and then we only see power through those lenses. I feel that one of the essential ingredients of engaging with power is curiosity.
  • Tues: You’re right and so if you don’t engage around power at all, the invitation is to get curious around how power is playing out in your organization and in your work and get curious about it. If you have a sophisticated discourse around power then I think the invitation is to really look at where that’s helpful and where it forwards your work and where it might be holding you back and what else can you get curious about. Let’s not pretend that it does not matter and have some agility and flexibility with it.


Poem: “Sometimes” by Sheenagh Pugh


Sometimes things don't go, after all,

from bad to worse. Some years, muscadel

faces down frost; green thrives; the crops don't fail,

sometimes we aim high, and all goes well.

A people sometimes will step back from war;

elect an honest man, decide they care

enough, that they can't leave some stranger poor.

Some men become what they were born for.

Sometimes our best efforts do not go

amiss, sometimes we do as we meant to.

The sun will sometimes melt a field of sorrow

that seemed hard frozen: may it happen for you.


Song: The Power by Snap


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 42:26

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 2.09: Building Blocks: Laying The Structure For Equity In Change Work: Under The Hood Of Building A Business 2.09: Building Blocks: Laying The Structure For Equity In Change Work: Under The Hood Of Building A Business Tue, 04 Feb 2020 10:00:03 GMT 36:57 5e36d342905561fb799fcffe true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5e36d342905561fb799fcffe 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 209-building-blocks For episode nine of season two, Tim and Tuesday explore the foundations they’re laying in change work. As practitioners, it’s possible to set up our own structures in a way that creates the DNA of the world we want — even when growth is rapid. full 2 9 Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.09 - SHOW NOTES

  • Tim: As we grow, we’re putting in place legal structures to support our work and build the principals of our organization.
  • Tues: It’s the idea that we are a fractal of what we are trying to do in the world. In this period of year-turning, there is always a space of reflection and putting your mind to where you want to be going forward. Often, with our clients, there is a pace and urgency. We could be swept along by the work and if we don’t pause and reflect and be intentional, we’ll just get more of what we are seeking to shift in our clients. Inner reflection for the organization cannot be left to chance.
  • Tim: We often find ourselves asking for things that the professionals we are working with are like, “what?” One that was interesting for me recently was when we were sitting down with the lawyers to pull together our subcontractor contracts. We are getting to draw up contracts that reflect our values and the relationships we are building with our subcontractors.
  • Tues: We want this to happen to everyone we work with. I hope their work gets better and deeper and more nuanced.
  • Tim: One of our principals is generosity and we are trying to institutionalize / legalize it.
  • Tues: One of the things we’ve done recently was brought The Outside principals to our team - how we want to be as an organization: Generosity, Love, Clarity, A society that serves all & Collective.
  • Tues: I am not building a white organization; that is not what I am here to do. This is a declaration so folks know what we are intending, which is not a white organization. I am here to build an organization that actually knows how to work in difference because we are deeply different from each other. And very explicitly, that means racially.
  • Tim: We’ve been actively seeking senior members for our team that are people of colour and building apprentices into The Outside.
  • Tues: We are still looking for folks who have the capacity to be ‘managers of one’ and even that is evolving. I can feel like we are weaving something that is far more than individual folks doing really great work to deliver a project. We are developing a weaved fabric of people and work that will take a wide net that will move things forward.
  • Tim: We really hope that what we shared today will help you to think about how you form your team(s), how you build out your organization or your practices in relationship to others, how that’s manifested, not just as a set of principals or practices, but how that’s manifested in structures and legality.


Poem: “to all you young poets” from the book milk and honey, by Rupi Kaur


Your art

is not about how many people

Iike your work

your art

is about

if your heart likes your work

if your soul likes your work

it’s about how honest

you are with yourself

and you

must never

trade honesty

for relatability.


Song: Los Ejes De Mi Carreta by Atahualpa Yupanqui


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 37:48

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.09 - SHOW NOTES

  • Tim: As we grow, we’re putting in place legal structures to support our work and build the principals of our organization.
  • Tues: It’s the idea that we are a fractal of what we are trying to do in the world. In this period of year-turning, there is always a space of reflection and putting your mind to where you want to be going forward. Often, with our clients, there is a pace and urgency. We could be swept along by the work and if we don’t pause and reflect and be intentional, we’ll just get more of what we are seeking to shift in our clients. Inner reflection for the organization cannot be left to chance.
  • Tim: We often find ourselves asking for things that the professionals we are working with are like, “what?” One that was interesting for me recently was when we were sitting down with the lawyers to pull together our subcontractor contracts. We are getting to draw up contracts that reflect our values and the relationships we are building with our subcontractors.
  • Tues: We want this to happen to everyone we work with. I hope their work gets better and deeper and more nuanced.
  • Tim: One of our principals is generosity and we are trying to institutionalize / legalize it.
  • Tues: One of the things we’ve done recently was brought The Outside principals to our team - how we want to be as an organization: Generosity, Love, Clarity, A society that serves all & Collective.
  • Tues: I am not building a white organization; that is not what I am here to do. This is a declaration so folks know what we are intending, which is not a white organization. I am here to build an organization that actually knows how to work in difference because we are deeply different from each other. And very explicitly, that means racially.
  • Tim: We’ve been actively seeking senior members for our team that are people of colour and building apprentices into The Outside.
  • Tues: We are still looking for folks who have the capacity to be ‘managers of one’ and even that is evolving. I can feel like we are weaving something that is far more than individual folks doing really great work to deliver a project. We are developing a weaved fabric of people and work that will take a wide net that will move things forward.
  • Tim: We really hope that what we shared today will help you to think about how you form your team(s), how you build out your organization or your practices in relationship to others, how that’s manifested, not just as a set of principals or practices, but how that’s manifested in structures and legality.


Poem: “to all you young poets” from the book milk and honey, by Rupi Kaur


Your art

is not about how many people

Iike your work

your art

is about

if your heart likes your work

if your soul likes your work

it’s about how honest

you are with yourself

and you

must never

trade honesty

for relatability.


Song: Los Ejes De Mi Carreta by Atahualpa Yupanqui


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 37:48

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 2.08: Problem? Fix It. On The Virtue Of Slowing Down For Understanding: The Relationships And Patterns Of Fix-It Mode 2.08: Problem? Fix It. On The Virtue Of Slowing Down For Understanding: The Relationships And Patterns Of Fix-It Mode Tue, 21 Jan 2020 10:00:56 GMT 37:15 5e2647e86a67013366f9d5d2 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5e2647e86a67013366f9d5d2 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 208-problem-fix-it For episode eight of season two, Tim and Tuesday talk about the fix-it phenomenon we all share: on seeing a problem, we rush to fix it. But when we rush to solutions, we’re likely to repeat the very problems that gave us the challenge in the first place. full 2 8 For episode eight of season two, Tim and Tuesday talk about the fix-it phenomenon we all share: on seeing a problem, we rush to fix it. But when we rush to solutions, we’re likely to repeat the very problems that gave us the challenge in the first place. How can we cultivate a new pattern of pause and examination?


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.08 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: When we feel the problem is urgent, it is much harder for us to wait. The good intention of problem —> fix feels like a generous, well-intended response to something that has urgency.
  • Tim: 'Problem, fix it’ is not inherently bad (i.e. when in a crisis response). The idea that ‘problem, fix it’ makes good leadership is so pervasive in the places we are working… that’s the issue. On its own ‘problem, fix it’ is insufficient. We need better understandings before we act.
  • Tues: We’ve started to respond to everything as a crisis. Part of the discernment is what are we actually in here? That pause before you act is where the possibility will come. This has been rich in my own life practice.
  • Tim: This is a leadership practice. Otto Scharmer, out of MIT, has developed “U-Theory.” It has gained traction and it’s an archetypal process it takes people through. It journeys you through the “U” and I think we can all relate to it. What Tues and Otto are both describing is about pulling us out of the urgent into the important. Pulling us out of the day-to-day, hamster wheel, business as usual to say what a minute, what is actually important?
  • Tues: What we know about shifting approaches is it requires you to let go of some things - beliefs, assumptions, etc. This requires a whole lot of work, thought, practice and understanding.
  • Tim: If you are the ‘problem, fix it’ hero leader, every time you step in and solve people’s problems for them, you remove their ability to solve it themselves. I feel we [The Outside] are a real antidote to that. Answers are out of date so quickly. Inquiries will last you. What happens when we work in this way, is that your decisions become more considered; they do not become easier. We don’t opt for the easy answer, we engage with the nuance.
  • Tues: 'Problem, wait/pause’ takes courage. Wishing people courage to try it out and see where it lands them.


Poem: “…is God.” from A Book of Light, by Lucille Clifton


so.

having no need to speak

You sent Your tongue

splintered into angels.

even I, 

with my little piece of it

have said too much.

to ask You to explain

is to deny You.

before the word

You were.

You kiss my brother mouth.

the rest is silence.


Song: Landslide by Tony Clarke


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 37:15

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> For episode eight of season two, Tim and Tuesday talk about the fix-it phenomenon we all share: on seeing a problem, we rush to fix it. But when we rush to solutions, we’re likely to repeat the very problems that gave us the challenge in the first place. How can we cultivate a new pattern of pause and examination?


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.08 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: When we feel the problem is urgent, it is much harder for us to wait. The good intention of problem —> fix feels like a generous, well-intended response to something that has urgency.
  • Tim: 'Problem, fix it’ is not inherently bad (i.e. when in a crisis response). The idea that ‘problem, fix it’ makes good leadership is so pervasive in the places we are working… that’s the issue. On its own ‘problem, fix it’ is insufficient. We need better understandings before we act.
  • Tues: We’ve started to respond to everything as a crisis. Part of the discernment is what are we actually in here? That pause before you act is where the possibility will come. This has been rich in my own life practice.
  • Tim: This is a leadership practice. Otto Scharmer, out of MIT, has developed “U-Theory.” It has gained traction and it’s an archetypal process it takes people through. It journeys you through the “U” and I think we can all relate to it. What Tues and Otto are both describing is about pulling us out of the urgent into the important. Pulling us out of the day-to-day, hamster wheel, business as usual to say what a minute, what is actually important?
  • Tues: What we know about shifting approaches is it requires you to let go of some things - beliefs, assumptions, etc. This requires a whole lot of work, thought, practice and understanding.
  • Tim: If you are the ‘problem, fix it’ hero leader, every time you step in and solve people’s problems for them, you remove their ability to solve it themselves. I feel we [The Outside] are a real antidote to that. Answers are out of date so quickly. Inquiries will last you. What happens when we work in this way, is that your decisions become more considered; they do not become easier. We don’t opt for the easy answer, we engage with the nuance.
  • Tues: 'Problem, wait/pause’ takes courage. Wishing people courage to try it out and see where it lands them.


Poem: “…is God.” from A Book of Light, by Lucille Clifton


so.

having no need to speak

You sent Your tongue

splintered into angels.

even I, 

with my little piece of it

have said too much.

to ask You to explain

is to deny You.

before the word

You were.

You kiss my brother mouth.

the rest is silence.


Song: Landslide by Tony Clarke


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 37:15

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> E2.07: Isoke Femi: Modes Of Experience, Theoretical Frameworks And Compassion: A Conversation E2.07: Isoke Femi: Modes Of Experience, Theoretical Frameworks And Compassion: A Conversation Tue, 07 Jan 2020 10:00:43 GMT 43:50 5e0a50c46989751977cbb872 false http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5e0a50c46989751977cbb872 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 e207-isoke-femi In episode seven of season two, Tim and Tuesday sit down with colleague Isoke Femi, who brings a beautifully enriching and unique perspective to the work of change and an invitation to open up to special magic in 2020. full 2 7 In episode seven of season two, Tim and Tuesday sit down with colleague Isoke Femi, who brings a beautifully enriching and unique perspective to the work of change. It’s a deeply inspiring transition from one decade to the next — and an invitation to open up to special magic in 2020.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.07 — SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: Today, we have Isoke Femi with us. She brings such a beautiful, deep and different perspective to this kind of work we do.
  • Isoke: I started working at BALLE as a consultant in 2008/09. At the time, BALLE was in a partnership with the Academy for the Love of Learning (seeks to advance learning at all kinds of levels). BALLE was trying to change how people think about economy and how to advance local economy. Each of us brought our own theoretical frameworks into the work and somehow we were able to still create a synergistic process through which transformation could happen. For example, one of the theoretical frames I brought was the idea of the “mother-father peer principal” also known as the bureaucratic, symbiotic, and decentralized modes of experience.
  • Tues: We all brought our own theoretical frames. Why do you think these frames worked / that we were able to move them forward?
  • Isoke: When we do inner work, we get unblocked from our rigid attachment to our belief systems, we get more fluid and are free to be more choiceful in any given moment. We also like each other — there is a lot of admiration and respect for one another. There was a way in which we could hold and support the process and work with each other.
  • Tim: Isoke, I am interested to hear more about the positive ascendancy of the masculine. We’re seeing so much of the masculine that is playing out in such negative ways in our societies, worlds and communities.
  • Isoke: When it comes into balance with the mother. All people carry all three of these. So for me, when the father stands shoulder-to-shoulder with the peer (bring discernment).
  • Tues: You just highlighted something that is important that’s illuminating something that is happening in our movement communities. We are so fragile but some of what we need now is sword. We need to stand up with some dignity - not that, this.
  • Isoke: The sword should cut a path, or create a clearing, but what we do is that we take that sword and use it against each other. This is where the peer comes in. How about we try “x.” The father principal, when it’s in its strength, it can make room for the peer, for mutuality. When all three are working in harmony, you have the collaborative mode.
  • Tues: For many years, you did traditional diversity and equity training. What are you learning about the work of liberation?
  • Isoke: One is metaphysical. One is more physiological. One is more personal. Let me start with the metaphysical — we are already free. We were created free. We get to express. That is a very difficult thing for the oppressed and repressed mind to wrap itself around. We are eternal creators. I have been on a kick lately, for the last month, to have everyone watch a video called “How Diablo Became Spirit (13:17).” She helps a leopard to reconnect with the man who brought him to this reserve. It’s a call to all of us that this is where we are headed — honour the being of every single created thing.
  • Isoke: Watch the documentary “The Power of the Heart.” It is about the power of forgiveness.


Poem: The Guesthouse by Rumi

This being human is a guest-house

Every morning a new arrival

A joy, a depression, a meanness,

Some momentary awareness comes

As an unexpected visitor

Welcome and entertain them all

Even if they are a crowd of sorrows

Who violently sweep your house

Empty of its furniture

Still treat each guest honourably

He may be clearing you out for some new delight

The dark thought, the shame the malice

Meet them at the door laughing

And invite them in

Be grateful for whoever comes

Because each as been sent

As a guide from beyond

— Rumi (Say I am You)


Song: A song for the suffering soul… sung by Isoke Femi


Be still and know

Be still and know

Be still and know, you are one.


Be still and know

Be still and know

Be still and know, you are one.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 43:51

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode seven of season two, Tim and Tuesday sit down with colleague Isoke Femi, who brings a beautifully enriching and unique perspective to the work of change. It’s a deeply inspiring transition from one decade to the next — and an invitation to open up to special magic in 2020.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.07 — SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: Today, we have Isoke Femi with us. She brings such a beautiful, deep and different perspective to this kind of work we do.
  • Isoke: I started working at BALLE as a consultant in 2008/09. At the time, BALLE was in a partnership with the Academy for the Love of Learning (seeks to advance learning at all kinds of levels). BALLE was trying to change how people think about economy and how to advance local economy. Each of us brought our own theoretical frameworks into the work and somehow we were able to still create a synergistic process through which transformation could happen. For example, one of the theoretical frames I brought was the idea of the “mother-father peer principal” also known as the bureaucratic, symbiotic, and decentralized modes of experience.
  • Tues: We all brought our own theoretical frames. Why do you think these frames worked / that we were able to move them forward?
  • Isoke: When we do inner work, we get unblocked from our rigid attachment to our belief systems, we get more fluid and are free to be more choiceful in any given moment. We also like each other — there is a lot of admiration and respect for one another. There was a way in which we could hold and support the process and work with each other.
  • Tim: Isoke, I am interested to hear more about the positive ascendancy of the masculine. We’re seeing so much of the masculine that is playing out in such negative ways in our societies, worlds and communities.
  • Isoke: When it comes into balance with the mother. All people carry all three of these. So for me, when the father stands shoulder-to-shoulder with the peer (bring discernment).
  • Tues: You just highlighted something that is important that’s illuminating something that is happening in our movement communities. We are so fragile but some of what we need now is sword. We need to stand up with some dignity - not that, this.
  • Isoke: The sword should cut a path, or create a clearing, but what we do is that we take that sword and use it against each other. This is where the peer comes in. How about we try “x.” The father principal, when it’s in its strength, it can make room for the peer, for mutuality. When all three are working in harmony, you have the collaborative mode.
  • Tues: For many years, you did traditional diversity and equity training. What are you learning about the work of liberation?
  • Isoke: One is metaphysical. One is more physiological. One is more personal. Let me start with the metaphysical — we are already free. We were created free. We get to express. That is a very difficult thing for the oppressed and repressed mind to wrap itself around. We are eternal creators. I have been on a kick lately, for the last month, to have everyone watch a video called “How Diablo Became Spirit (13:17).” She helps a leopard to reconnect with the man who brought him to this reserve. It’s a call to all of us that this is where we are headed — honour the being of every single created thing.
  • Isoke: Watch the documentary “The Power of the Heart.” It is about the power of forgiveness.


Poem: The Guesthouse by Rumi

This being human is a guest-house

Every morning a new arrival

A joy, a depression, a meanness,

Some momentary awareness comes

As an unexpected visitor

Welcome and entertain them all

Even if they are a crowd of sorrows

Who violently sweep your house

Empty of its furniture

Still treat each guest honourably

He may be clearing you out for some new delight

The dark thought, the shame the malice

Meet them at the door laughing

And invite them in

Be grateful for whoever comes

Because each as been sent

As a guide from beyond

— Rumi (Say I am You)


Song: A song for the suffering soul… sung by Isoke Femi


Be still and know

Be still and know

Be still and know, you are one.


Be still and know

Be still and know

Be still and know, you are one.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 43:51

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 2.06: Labels: How The Language, Theory, And Models Of The Labels We Use Can Either Restrict Or Give Freedom 2.06: Labels: How The Language, Theory, And Models Of The Labels We Use Can Either Restrict Or Give Freedom Tue, 10 Dec 2019 10:00:06 GMT 38:12 5def0728696d49c81b54b4e1 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5def0728696d49c81b54b4e1 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 206-labels In episode six of season two, Tim and Tuesday talk about how adopting or shedding labels — political, economic, ideological, identity — can give us access to change, but can also become limiting in terms of how we might want to grow. full 2 6 In episode six of season two, Tim and Tuesday talk about how adopting or shedding labels — political, economic, ideological, identity — can give us access to change, but can also become limiting in terms of how we might want to grow. How can we become less attached and more open?


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.06 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: In an Otto Scharmer “Prescencing Workshop,” I had an experience in which I heard, “who you are will inform you, but it will not be who you will become.” This helped me to shed the label of survivor. Personal liberation for me is the freedom to be all of who you are, the freedom to have the life you want, or to try and create the life you want.
  • Tim: I think about some of the labels we use in our systems change work - the incredible epiphany that happens, so often, when we use introduce the idea of “hospicing.” There is a role in change work that helps things die with dignity (beliefs, policy, etc). It is an essential ingredient that needs great care to give us time to build the alternative. At what point do the models we introduce become limiting?
  • Tues: I wonder if it’s stages or more like the chaordic path - maybe it’s an undulation back and forth? Maybe we’ll always be looking for the next group, label or name? When we speak from the place of a ‘label’ we can only give a very narrow perspective. When we are speaking from an expanded version of ourselves, that takes into consideration multiple labels, we can give much better input into a process and maybe even feel much more ownership of a process.
  • Tim: I feel like we do a lot of specific design around people’s personal journey - designing to help people step into labels - to accept and then to let go. I also feel like we are doing that organizationally - to build the analysis and then to let go.


Poem: “Vitai Lampada” Henry Newbolt

NOTE from Tim: This poem was really strong in my school. It was one of the labels you had to live with. It was part of the label indoctrinated into us through the education system that I was a part of.


Vitai Lampada

There’s a breathless hush in the Close to-night -

Ten to make and the match to win - 

A bumping pitch and a blinding light, 

An hour to play and the last man in. 

And it's not for the sake of a ribboned coat, 

Or the selfish hope of a season's fame, 

But his Captain's hand on his shoulder smote 

"Play up! play up! and play the game!"

The sand of the desert is sodden red, -

Red with the wreck of a square that broke; -

The Gatling's jammed and the colonel dead, 

And the regiment blind with dust and smoke. 

The river of death has brimmed his banks, 

And England's far, and Honour a name, 

But the voice of schoolboy rallies the ranks,

"Play up! play up! and play the game!"

This is the word that year by year 

While in her place the School is set 

Every one of her sons must hear, 

And none that hears it dare forget. 

This they all with a joyful mind 

Bear through life like a torch in flame, 

And falling fling to the host behind - 

"Play up! play up! and play the game!"


Song: “Free” by Prince


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 38:12

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode six of season two, Tim and Tuesday talk about how adopting or shedding labels — political, economic, ideological, identity — can give us access to change, but can also become limiting in terms of how we might want to grow. How can we become less attached and more open?


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.06 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: In an Otto Scharmer “Prescencing Workshop,” I had an experience in which I heard, “who you are will inform you, but it will not be who you will become.” This helped me to shed the label of survivor. Personal liberation for me is the freedom to be all of who you are, the freedom to have the life you want, or to try and create the life you want.
  • Tim: I think about some of the labels we use in our systems change work - the incredible epiphany that happens, so often, when we use introduce the idea of “hospicing.” There is a role in change work that helps things die with dignity (beliefs, policy, etc). It is an essential ingredient that needs great care to give us time to build the alternative. At what point do the models we introduce become limiting?
  • Tues: I wonder if it’s stages or more like the chaordic path - maybe it’s an undulation back and forth? Maybe we’ll always be looking for the next group, label or name? When we speak from the place of a ‘label’ we can only give a very narrow perspective. When we are speaking from an expanded version of ourselves, that takes into consideration multiple labels, we can give much better input into a process and maybe even feel much more ownership of a process.
  • Tim: I feel like we do a lot of specific design around people’s personal journey - designing to help people step into labels - to accept and then to let go. I also feel like we are doing that organizationally - to build the analysis and then to let go.


Poem: “Vitai Lampada” Henry Newbolt

NOTE from Tim: This poem was really strong in my school. It was one of the labels you had to live with. It was part of the label indoctrinated into us through the education system that I was a part of.


Vitai Lampada

There’s a breathless hush in the Close to-night -

Ten to make and the match to win - 

A bumping pitch and a blinding light, 

An hour to play and the last man in. 

And it's not for the sake of a ribboned coat, 

Or the selfish hope of a season's fame, 

But his Captain's hand on his shoulder smote 

"Play up! play up! and play the game!"

The sand of the desert is sodden red, -

Red with the wreck of a square that broke; -

The Gatling's jammed and the colonel dead, 

And the regiment blind with dust and smoke. 

The river of death has brimmed his banks, 

And England's far, and Honour a name, 

But the voice of schoolboy rallies the ranks,

"Play up! play up! and play the game!"

This is the word that year by year 

While in her place the School is set 

Every one of her sons must hear, 

And none that hears it dare forget. 

This they all with a joyful mind 

Bear through life like a torch in flame, 

And falling fling to the host behind - 

"Play up! play up! and play the game!"


Song: “Free” by Prince


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 38:12

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> <![CDATA[2.05: What's At The Centre, And Why: Adventures In The Seeking Of Equity]]> Tue, 26 Nov 2019 19:59:05 GMT 40:01 5ddc8f978a389e0f3fd8504d true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5ddc8f978a389e0f3fd8504d 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 equity In episode five of season two, Tim and Tuesday venture into the heart of their change work: equity. full 2 5 In episode five of season two, Tim and Tuesday venture into the heart of their change work: equity. How do we distribute power and wealth? How do we relate across lines of race, class, and gender, and how do we keep these considerations on the table in all of our work and in our working relationships?


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.05 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: We have different pasts, as groups of people, and those pasts are often based on ways we have been structured unequally. There will be those that work for and those that receive the benefit. Often those divides are quite deep and often you are on one side or the other. These past legacies of inequity that we carry with us that make our current state (the present) very different.
  • Tues: When we say we work for equity, we are working to try to acknowledge and understand how that past impacts the present, see current reality, and then begin to plan and work toward a future where those gaps between people are moving closer together. We need to work with relationships, systems and structures.
  • Tim: The divide between oppressor and oppressed — our work tries to bridge that - the grey area in the middle.
  • Tues: Generally, very few of us fall entirely on one side or the other of oppressed and oppressor. We have multiple identities. As a black, biracial woman, I would have the experience of race — being marginalized or oppressed — and yet I am straight and have all of the privileges that come along with that. The grey area that you are talking about, Tim, is how we allow the multiplicity of people to come into the room so that we can work in that grey area. We are trying to get people to see each other’s complexity. We need to see both sides of the divide to actually move forward.
  • Tues: There is beauty in the oppressed experience and hardiness and resiliency. When I look for strength, I am looking to my Black ancestors.
  • Tim: There is also a real “leaning in” that we bring. When issues of equity arise in our work, or in the teams we are working in, we often perk up and dig in when normally it’s the other way around - people try to move over it or move through it. We never avoid it.
  • Tues: We have an unwavering belief that we’ll find a way forward together.


Song: “B.L.M,” by The Specials


Poem: “The Tree Did Not Die” an essay by Omid Safi


“Hundreds of years ago a single large redwood grew here. Then disaster struck. The trunk of the large redwood was killed, perhaps by repeated and severe wildfire. From here you can see the original tree trunk still standing upright, now a dead and blackened snag.


Despite such terrible damage, the tree did not die. Below the ground, its massive root system was full of vitality. Before long, hundreds of young, bright green burl sprouts began to come up around the circle formed by the root crown of the original tree. Some of those sprouts have grown into the full-sized trees that today stand in a circle around the original trunk.”


We are this charred tree and the family of trees ground around it. We are the roots, the burning, the healing, and the regrowth. May we see this family circle around us, friends.


May it be that despite such terrible damage, the tree of our life does not die.


May it be that there is a vitality in our roots, and that the charred tree of our experiences gives birth to a hundred new blooms dancing around us, newer versions of ourselves that leap to life from what we would have deemed to be our death.


The tree did not die. May our hearts not die.


The tree did not die. And may our families not die.


I don’t want to die, not yet, not now, not for awhile. I want to dance with my children at their weddings and tell stories of love and resistance to their as of yet unborn children. But my time will come, and so will yours. When that time comes, may I have, may you have, may we have deep and ancient roots that are filled with light and vitality, so that new life, new soul, new light sprouts from the charred portion of our being.


The tree did not die. And our ancestors live in us. We are who we are because they loved us, through and after their earthly life. They live in us, through us, long after their bodies are charred and returned to the Earth.


The tree did not die. The new trees are the old burned tree, and they grow out of the roots it put down. May we witness this growth out of our being. May there be new loved ones circling us, as we circle our ancestors.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 40:02

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode five of season two, Tim and Tuesday venture into the heart of their change work: equity. How do we distribute power and wealth? How do we relate across lines of race, class, and gender, and how do we keep these considerations on the table in all of our work and in our working relationships?


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.05 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: We have different pasts, as groups of people, and those pasts are often based on ways we have been structured unequally. There will be those that work for and those that receive the benefit. Often those divides are quite deep and often you are on one side or the other. These past legacies of inequity that we carry with us that make our current state (the present) very different.
  • Tues: When we say we work for equity, we are working to try to acknowledge and understand how that past impacts the present, see current reality, and then begin to plan and work toward a future where those gaps between people are moving closer together. We need to work with relationships, systems and structures.
  • Tim: The divide between oppressor and oppressed — our work tries to bridge that - the grey area in the middle.
  • Tues: Generally, very few of us fall entirely on one side or the other of oppressed and oppressor. We have multiple identities. As a black, biracial woman, I would have the experience of race — being marginalized or oppressed — and yet I am straight and have all of the privileges that come along with that. The grey area that you are talking about, Tim, is how we allow the multiplicity of people to come into the room so that we can work in that grey area. We are trying to get people to see each other’s complexity. We need to see both sides of the divide to actually move forward.
  • Tues: There is beauty in the oppressed experience and hardiness and resiliency. When I look for strength, I am looking to my Black ancestors.
  • Tim: There is also a real “leaning in” that we bring. When issues of equity arise in our work, or in the teams we are working in, we often perk up and dig in when normally it’s the other way around - people try to move over it or move through it. We never avoid it.
  • Tues: We have an unwavering belief that we’ll find a way forward together.


Song: “B.L.M,” by The Specials


Poem: “The Tree Did Not Die” an essay by Omid Safi


“Hundreds of years ago a single large redwood grew here. Then disaster struck. The trunk of the large redwood was killed, perhaps by repeated and severe wildfire. From here you can see the original tree trunk still standing upright, now a dead and blackened snag.


Despite such terrible damage, the tree did not die. Below the ground, its massive root system was full of vitality. Before long, hundreds of young, bright green burl sprouts began to come up around the circle formed by the root crown of the original tree. Some of those sprouts have grown into the full-sized trees that today stand in a circle around the original trunk.”


We are this charred tree and the family of trees ground around it. We are the roots, the burning, the healing, and the regrowth. May we see this family circle around us, friends.


May it be that despite such terrible damage, the tree of our life does not die.


May it be that there is a vitality in our roots, and that the charred tree of our experiences gives birth to a hundred new blooms dancing around us, newer versions of ourselves that leap to life from what we would have deemed to be our death.


The tree did not die. May our hearts not die.


The tree did not die. And may our families not die.


I don’t want to die, not yet, not now, not for awhile. I want to dance with my children at their weddings and tell stories of love and resistance to their as of yet unborn children. But my time will come, and so will yours. When that time comes, may I have, may you have, may we have deep and ancient roots that are filled with light and vitality, so that new life, new soul, new light sprouts from the charred portion of our being.


The tree did not die. And our ancestors live in us. We are who we are because they loved us, through and after their earthly life. They live in us, through us, long after their bodies are charred and returned to the Earth.


The tree did not die. The new trees are the old burned tree, and they grow out of the roots it put down. May we witness this growth out of our being. May there be new loved ones circling us, as we circle our ancestors.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 40:02

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 2.04: The Experiment: On Moving From Starting To Building: Behind-The-Scenes Of Change Work Growth 2.04: The Experiment: On Moving From Starting To Building: Behind-The-Scenes Of Change Work Growth Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:00:46 GMT 29:06 5dc5b8496ef0069731219fa9 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5dc5b8496ef0069731219fa9 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 204-the-experiment In episode four of season two, Tim and Tuesday explore the nature of moving from a start-up mindset to next-phase growth. full 2 4 In episode four of season two, Tim and Tuesday explore the nature of moving from a start-up mindset to next-phase growth. As enthusiastic prototypers and experimenters, how do we know one phase is done and it’s time to capture learning and institutionalize? When do we call it, and how do we grow?


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.



2.03 —— SHOW NOTES

  • Tues: We started The Outside eighteen months ago with the goal to experiment for two years to see what would happen.
  • Tim: One experiment is done and the next one begins—an increase in scale, sophistication, breadth of relationships drawn into do the work. Now, we want to start building infrastructure that’s an investment into the next five years.
  • Tues: A big part of the experiment: could we build our work around systems change with equity at the centre?
  • Tim: We’ve received a lot of feedback over the years as to the potency of that [our] partnership. We wanted to take this to another level—a deeper commitment to one another and to the learning between us.
  • Tim: We have three long-term, systems change efforts that are in different stages. We’ve realized that The Outside is with clients for a period of 2-5 years. We’re there to help things to get unstuck, lifted and moving.
  • Tues: We don’t parachute in… but it’s not a long-term thing. Our role is to help you get unstuck, get things moving and build a capacity. This is what we’ve learned. We did not know this 18 months ago.
  • Tim: We’re trying to build an ecosystem of different apps and practices that enable us to function effectively as an organization. We are working with a tool called monday.com which allows us to list all of our activities, track movement, have conversation, give each other feedback, attach documents and links. It’s basically a project management tool for across the organization. We also use whatsapp.com, slack.com and zoom.com. This is the infrastructure of how we function. On another level, we use programs like waveapps.com and xero.com to get a financial overview of how the organization is evolving.


Song: Stay High by Brittany Howard


Poem: Time to awaken, an original by Tim Merry (one of the first poems Tim performed!)


We all be learners and teachers

We don't need no preachers

To find the whole

soul

force

Of course!

It is like riding a horse

remaining in the saddle

even when up shit creek without a paddle.


Be yourself

Everyone else is taken

No point fakin

The only person you're foolin is youself

You already got all the wealth

Don't need to search no more

Knocking door to door

Cause its all in the place you was born in

No more stallin'

Listen loudly to the callin'

Why you here?

It ain't nothing to do with fear

That much is clear.


I must confess

my greatest fear was success

Daring to shine bright

Get into the line of sight

Stepping into the spotlight.

I trained for years

To be on stage and hide my fears

In the character of another

Always under cover

Never truly the deeper me

Time to see

Be free

Be


Now

Fear no more

I am sure

I have felt the

Whole

Soul Force

Course

Through my veins

I know what it means to be sane

Living in partnership with my brain

My body and blood

And the un-nameable flood

Of realisation

Be Self

Everyone else is taken


It is time to awaken.

Are you stirred and shakin'?

Are you quakin'?

If not why not?

Take a look around

The world is calling to become profound

The messages loud and clear

Drop the fear

The time is now

The place is here.

It always the occasion

Don't get lost in the alien invasion

Take action

to let go of distraction

Feel the heart

In the breath of the now

Kaboom kapow

Like a hit on head

Sit up in bed

The nightmare is over

You just found the four leaf clover

Ego move over

I am getting on my horse

The whole

Soul

force of course!


No more fakin'

be Self

everyone else is taken


It's time to

Awaken.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 29:07

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode four of season two, Tim and Tuesday explore the nature of moving from a start-up mindset to next-phase growth. As enthusiastic prototypers and experimenters, how do we know one phase is done and it’s time to capture learning and institutionalize? When do we call it, and how do we grow?


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.



2.03 —— SHOW NOTES

  • Tues: We started The Outside eighteen months ago with the goal to experiment for two years to see what would happen.
  • Tim: One experiment is done and the next one begins—an increase in scale, sophistication, breadth of relationships drawn into do the work. Now, we want to start building infrastructure that’s an investment into the next five years.
  • Tues: A big part of the experiment: could we build our work around systems change with equity at the centre?
  • Tim: We’ve received a lot of feedback over the years as to the potency of that [our] partnership. We wanted to take this to another level—a deeper commitment to one another and to the learning between us.
  • Tim: We have three long-term, systems change efforts that are in different stages. We’ve realized that The Outside is with clients for a period of 2-5 years. We’re there to help things to get unstuck, lifted and moving.
  • Tues: We don’t parachute in… but it’s not a long-term thing. Our role is to help you get unstuck, get things moving and build a capacity. This is what we’ve learned. We did not know this 18 months ago.
  • Tim: We’re trying to build an ecosystem of different apps and practices that enable us to function effectively as an organization. We are working with a tool called monday.com which allows us to list all of our activities, track movement, have conversation, give each other feedback, attach documents and links. It’s basically a project management tool for across the organization. We also use whatsapp.com, slack.com and zoom.com. This is the infrastructure of how we function. On another level, we use programs like waveapps.com and xero.com to get a financial overview of how the organization is evolving.


Song: Stay High by Brittany Howard


Poem: Time to awaken, an original by Tim Merry (one of the first poems Tim performed!)


We all be learners and teachers

We don't need no preachers

To find the whole

soul

force

Of course!

It is like riding a horse

remaining in the saddle

even when up shit creek without a paddle.


Be yourself

Everyone else is taken

No point fakin

The only person you're foolin is youself

You already got all the wealth

Don't need to search no more

Knocking door to door

Cause its all in the place you was born in

No more stallin'

Listen loudly to the callin'

Why you here?

It ain't nothing to do with fear

That much is clear.


I must confess

my greatest fear was success

Daring to shine bright

Get into the line of sight

Stepping into the spotlight.

I trained for years

To be on stage and hide my fears

In the character of another

Always under cover

Never truly the deeper me

Time to see

Be free

Be


Now

Fear no more

I am sure

I have felt the

Whole

Soul Force

Course

Through my veins

I know what it means to be sane

Living in partnership with my brain

My body and blood

And the un-nameable flood

Of realisation

Be Self

Everyone else is taken


It is time to awaken.

Are you stirred and shakin'?

Are you quakin'?

If not why not?

Take a look around

The world is calling to become profound

The messages loud and clear

Drop the fear

The time is now

The place is here.

It always the occasion

Don't get lost in the alien invasion

Take action

to let go of distraction

Feel the heart

In the breath of the now

Kaboom kapow

Like a hit on head

Sit up in bed

The nightmare is over

You just found the four leaf clover

Ego move over

I am getting on my horse

The whole

Soul

force of course!


No more fakin'

be Self

everyone else is taken


It's time to

Awaken.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 29:07

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> <![CDATA[2.03: Balance: On Spinning Plates, Keeping Forward Momentum, And Preserving Heart In A Busy Life & World]]> Tue, 29 Oct 2019 09:00:37 GMT 40:50 5db77b4d3b4be49f7c596508 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5db77b4d3b4be49f7c596508 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 203-balance full 2 3 In episode three of season two, Tim and Tuesday explore the often talked-about, always sought-for, and ultimately elusive ideal of balance. In our journeys to reach ‘success’ — to have the greatest possible impact for a better tomorrow — what can we bring to our daily life to protect and renew our energies today?


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.03 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: I used to have a boss that would say she hated the word ‘balance’. She would say working moms were always going to drop balls, just make sure that one of the balls you drop is not your children. But sometimes you do. Just be human; sometimes you are going to drop all your balls.
  • Tim: Family and care for family is a core principal of how we work together. It’s a non-negotiable.
  • Tues: Have we equated balance with equal or equilibrium? Balance as a moving target is where we get the heartache.
  • Tim: I’m not sure balance can be achieved without some kind of pivot point for things to move from.
  • Tues: You could just unintentionally move through your life and get to your grave and say, “oh, is that how I spent my time/is that what I did? There is something around intention that at least naming what’s important that makes giving our attention so much more possible.
  • Tues: While we may not ever reach this enlightened state of balance; we do know when we are out of balance.
  • Tim: When we do our work, we talk about the need of striking a balance between just enough order so things can evolve effectively and enough chaos so that we are learning. It’s the whole Dee Hock work around the Chaordic Path.
  • Tim: Just picking up some things here: 1. Clarity & Intention; and 2. Being in-tune with your inner guidance system. My hunger and thirst for balance is heightened by what I am experiencing in the world around me.
  • Tues: I wonder if we are talking about two different things? Balance for me is where I put my attention, energy, action and time; it’s not that place of stillness where I think it’s okay. They are two distinct things for me.
  • Tues: It’s hard to articulate because some of those pressures/expectations are so unspoken for women. The root of this word [balance] has to do with equity. Our experiences of balance are deeply impacted by our social position.
  • Tues: Those of us who are targets of oppression probably get a really good sensitivity to that and see it more easily and more clearly and those of us who would benefit from an imbalance of equity clobber those feelings down.
  • Tim: As a result of my class, family, access to wealth, nationality, race… I feel like from a pretty early age I was witness to a whole series of injustices [familial] and they increased in intensity into my teens. That’s a construct, in my life, of the education of the privileged classes. Through it all, I still knew what was just and what was not. For me, I knew what was right and wrong through my entire childhood. I really fought to protect this as a young man.
  • Tues: We are typically really reinforced for not holding onto it [empathy]. I think it’s why people trust you with this equity work. You keep that awareness in your bones and it makes you trustworthy. Trauma tries to extinguish empathy. It’s about intention. We need to have an intention of being willing to see the pain in others.
  • Tim: I want to acknowledge that there are people within the ruling classes, that recurrently over history, who have maintained that sense of justice despite the context they were raised in.
  • Tues: Two important stances we bring to our work: when we are working with groups of people carrying this acknowledgement around the pain of injustice and lack of equity and that people have will and are working toward ending it feels like two important stances that we bring into our work. 


Song: “Motion Sickness” by Phoebe Bridgers


Poem: “Big Brown Dog” by John Fisher-Merritt, Organic Farmer & Poet


On Winter mornings I know

When my man is preparing to go outside.

He reaches into the closet for his coveralls.

I approach him eagerly, wagging my

Best tail wags, oblivious to tail pain as

I whack chair,

desk and closet door

You see

I have trained this wonderful

Smelling man

To throw his coveralls

Over my head,

And speak to me in an

Affectionate tone of voice as I

Revel in the ambrosial scent

Of his body odor.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 40:51

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode three of season two, Tim and Tuesday explore the often talked-about, always sought-for, and ultimately elusive ideal of balance. In our journeys to reach ‘success’ — to have the greatest possible impact for a better tomorrow — what can we bring to our daily life to protect and renew our energies today?


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.


2.03 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: I used to have a boss that would say she hated the word ‘balance’. She would say working moms were always going to drop balls, just make sure that one of the balls you drop is not your children. But sometimes you do. Just be human; sometimes you are going to drop all your balls.
  • Tim: Family and care for family is a core principal of how we work together. It’s a non-negotiable.
  • Tues: Have we equated balance with equal or equilibrium? Balance as a moving target is where we get the heartache.
  • Tim: I’m not sure balance can be achieved without some kind of pivot point for things to move from.
  • Tues: You could just unintentionally move through your life and get to your grave and say, “oh, is that how I spent my time/is that what I did? There is something around intention that at least naming what’s important that makes giving our attention so much more possible.
  • Tues: While we may not ever reach this enlightened state of balance; we do know when we are out of balance.
  • Tim: When we do our work, we talk about the need of striking a balance between just enough order so things can evolve effectively and enough chaos so that we are learning. It’s the whole Dee Hock work around the Chaordic Path.
  • Tim: Just picking up some things here: 1. Clarity & Intention; and 2. Being in-tune with your inner guidance system. My hunger and thirst for balance is heightened by what I am experiencing in the world around me.
  • Tues: I wonder if we are talking about two different things? Balance for me is where I put my attention, energy, action and time; it’s not that place of stillness where I think it’s okay. They are two distinct things for me.
  • Tues: It’s hard to articulate because some of those pressures/expectations are so unspoken for women. The root of this word [balance] has to do with equity. Our experiences of balance are deeply impacted by our social position.
  • Tues: Those of us who are targets of oppression probably get a really good sensitivity to that and see it more easily and more clearly and those of us who would benefit from an imbalance of equity clobber those feelings down.
  • Tim: As a result of my class, family, access to wealth, nationality, race… I feel like from a pretty early age I was witness to a whole series of injustices [familial] and they increased in intensity into my teens. That’s a construct, in my life, of the education of the privileged classes. Through it all, I still knew what was just and what was not. For me, I knew what was right and wrong through my entire childhood. I really fought to protect this as a young man.
  • Tues: We are typically really reinforced for not holding onto it [empathy]. I think it’s why people trust you with this equity work. You keep that awareness in your bones and it makes you trustworthy. Trauma tries to extinguish empathy. It’s about intention. We need to have an intention of being willing to see the pain in others.
  • Tim: I want to acknowledge that there are people within the ruling classes, that recurrently over history, who have maintained that sense of justice despite the context they were raised in.
  • Tues: Two important stances we bring to our work: when we are working with groups of people carrying this acknowledgement around the pain of injustice and lack of equity and that people have will and are working toward ending it feels like two important stances that we bring into our work. 


Song: “Motion Sickness” by Phoebe Bridgers


Poem: “Big Brown Dog” by John Fisher-Merritt, Organic Farmer & Poet


On Winter mornings I know

When my man is preparing to go outside.

He reaches into the closet for his coveralls.

I approach him eagerly, wagging my

Best tail wags, oblivious to tail pain as

I whack chair,

desk and closet door

You see

I have trained this wonderful

Smelling man

To throw his coveralls

Over my head,

And speak to me in an

Affectionate tone of voice as I

Revel in the ambrosial scent

Of his body odor.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 40:51

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 2.02: Across The Divide: On Finding Unexpected Alliances Across Different Approaches To Change Work 2.02: Across The Divide: On Finding Unexpected Alliances Across Different Approaches To Change Work Tue, 15 Oct 2019 09:00:58 GMT 41:02 5d9fc0319b7c5de635849e9a true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5d9fc0319b7c5de635849e9a 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 202-across-the-divide full 2 2 For episode two of season two, Tim and Tuesday interview Jacob Watkins of PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) in Zürich, Switzerland. Collaborating with The Outside over the last nine months for the International Committee of the Red Cross, Jacob has brought remarkably point of view on how change happens, resulting in an incredibly rich field of learning between what might have once been thought of as an unlikely trio.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.




2.02 - - SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: Jacob is one of the people we are learning with. It’s got us jazzed and excited. Feel like you [Jacob] keep us right on an edge.
  • Jacob: It was a really interesting experience to be in our pitch with a client and be asked the question “would you be up for working with another consultancy on this project?” To be knowledgeable, subject matter people in these topics to then have this question asked… I was kind of intrigued and cautiously optimistic.
  • Tim: In one of our early meetings, you named us as people who bring expertise, process and skill around systems change and what you, particularly, and PwC was bringing into the game was the ability for analysis and organizational assessment and an analytical approach.
  • Tues: This was brave - you made a clear discernment. The client chose to work with both of us. Give them a lot of credit for trying something different.
  • Jacob: What was cool, on both sides, was an openness to try to get under the skin of what is systems thinking.
  • Jacob: I worked in the money market straight out of university. Making money and earning commission and trading was not enough intellectually for me or a meaningful change made. Had an early mid-life crisis — felt grumpy and bored. I was inspired by Tim Ferriss of The 4-Hour Workweek and other folks putting out different ways of thinking. Did a tech start-up and worked with a team that melded together and formed this incredible group. It was the learning journey that got me really excited. In my role with PwC, I am never bored and get to tackle really difficult problems. When I was in that room with you guys, I was thinking how cool it would be to figure out how to make this work. How could we bridge the seeming gap between our two worlds and that seemed like a problem worthy of attention, time and energy.
  • Tim: What is distinct about PwC and Jacob Watkins and The Outside and Tim Merry & Tuesday Ryan-Hart? What’s the divide?
  • Jacob: (1) I think if I can manage my PwC colleagues to keep an open mind around this, I think we can get to a meeting of the minds; and (2) We spoke with different business language. Process for you, means something different for me.
  • Tues: In some ways, we wanted a lot of the same ends but our ways of going about them were completely different (i.e. data analysis vs developmental evaluation). To me, the data piece is where things come together quite beautifully. The data each of us got overlapped — it wasn’t in any way in conflict with each other. That 10% that was different was quite important!
  • Tim: Often the particular worldviews that our two different organizations are coming from, but also we as individuals arrived into this initiative with one another, sets us up as adversaries where one has to win for there to be true progress of the human species or true progress for systems change or true progress for organizational development. … One of the real beauties of this particular initiative is in a very fundamental way we’ve been modelling the practice we’ve been inviting people into and in a very visible way.
  • Jacob: The challenge that I faced in my career, particularly in working with clients when it comes to big-four consulting or strategy house consulting, is you're kind of hired with this underlying assumption that you will have a very clear, mechanical approach, that you will be able to deduce insights that they weren’t already aware of and that you can give answers to the organization that they can take forward… that’s kind of the more traditional consulting USP (Unique Selling Proposition) for the big firms. Traditionally, that is what the market and buyers have wanted but more and more I am seeing a shift, particularly through digital disruption, to new ways of working that challenge the older consulting models.
  • Jacob: The more we can bring our world and your world together, for lack of better words, the greater the innovation and the greater the power of moving forward is going to be.
  • Tues: 100%! Gives us a chance to live our rhetoric. We came up with the conception of a new Operating System together. That was definitely more of a sum of the parts. It results in better work - we developed something that did not exist in the world before.
  • Tim: There are many people who will say that we [Tim & Tuesday] “sold out” by agreeing to work with an organization like PwC. Yet, what we are discovering is quite the opposite - it’s made our work better, it’s increased our capacity to serve the people we are working for.
  • Tim: I’m proud of what we’ve done together, both of the work itself and the breaking down of barriers in our own worldviews and between our own organizations. Our client has talked about the Operating System we developed as “groundbreaking.” I would also say that our combined approach has also been groundbreaking.


Poem: “Whereas: An Excerpt” by Layli Long Soldier


WHEREAS I heard a noise I thought was a sneeze. At the breakfast table pushing eggs around my plate I wondered if he liked my cooking, thought about what to talk about. He pinched his fingers to the bridge of his nose, squeezed his eyes. He wiped. I often say he was a terrible drinker when I was a child I’m not afraid to say it because he’s different now: sober, attentive, showered, eating. But in my childhood when things were different I rolled onto my side, my hands together as if to pray, locked between knees. When things were different I lay there for long hours, my face to the wall, blank. My eyes left me, my soldiers, my two scouts to the unseen. And because language is the immaterial I never could speak about the missing so perhaps I cried for the invisible, what I could not see, doubly. What is it to wish for the absence of nothing? There at the breakfast table as an adult, wondering what to talk about if he liked my cooking, pushing the invisible to the plate’s edge I looked up to see he hadn’t sneezed, he was crying. I’d never heard him cry, didn’t recognize the symptoms. I turned to him when I heard him say I’m sorry I wasn’t there sorry for many things / like that / curative voicing / an opened bundle / or medicine / or birthday wishing / my hand to his shoulder / it’s okay I said it’s over now I meant it / because of our faces blankly / because of a lifelong stare down / because of centuries in sorry


Song: “In Gold” by Submotion Orchestra


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 41:02

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source


Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> For episode two of season two, Tim and Tuesday interview Jacob Watkins of PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) in Zürich, Switzerland. Collaborating with The Outside over the last nine months for the International Committee of the Red Cross, Jacob has brought remarkably point of view on how change happens, resulting in an incredibly rich field of learning between what might have once been thought of as an unlikely trio.


Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact.




2.02 - - SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: Jacob is one of the people we are learning with. It’s got us jazzed and excited. Feel like you [Jacob] keep us right on an edge.
  • Jacob: It was a really interesting experience to be in our pitch with a client and be asked the question “would you be up for working with another consultancy on this project?” To be knowledgeable, subject matter people in these topics to then have this question asked… I was kind of intrigued and cautiously optimistic.
  • Tim: In one of our early meetings, you named us as people who bring expertise, process and skill around systems change and what you, particularly, and PwC was bringing into the game was the ability for analysis and organizational assessment and an analytical approach.
  • Tues: This was brave - you made a clear discernment. The client chose to work with both of us. Give them a lot of credit for trying something different.
  • Jacob: What was cool, on both sides, was an openness to try to get under the skin of what is systems thinking.
  • Jacob: I worked in the money market straight out of university. Making money and earning commission and trading was not enough intellectually for me or a meaningful change made. Had an early mid-life crisis — felt grumpy and bored. I was inspired by Tim Ferriss of The 4-Hour Workweek and other folks putting out different ways of thinking. Did a tech start-up and worked with a team that melded together and formed this incredible group. It was the learning journey that got me really excited. In my role with PwC, I am never bored and get to tackle really difficult problems. When I was in that room with you guys, I was thinking how cool it would be to figure out how to make this work. How could we bridge the seeming gap between our two worlds and that seemed like a problem worthy of attention, time and energy.
  • Tim: What is distinct about PwC and Jacob Watkins and The Outside and Tim Merry & Tuesday Ryan-Hart? What’s the divide?
  • Jacob: (1) I think if I can manage my PwC colleagues to keep an open mind around this, I think we can get to a meeting of the minds; and (2) We spoke with different business language. Process for you, means something different for me.
  • Tues: In some ways, we wanted a lot of the same ends but our ways of going about them were completely different (i.e. data analysis vs developmental evaluation). To me, the data piece is where things come together quite beautifully. The data each of us got overlapped — it wasn’t in any way in conflict with each other. That 10% that was different was quite important!
  • Tim: Often the particular worldviews that our two different organizations are coming from, but also we as individuals arrived into this initiative with one another, sets us up as adversaries where one has to win for there to be true progress of the human species or true progress for systems change or true progress for organizational development. … One of the real beauties of this particular initiative is in a very fundamental way we’ve been modelling the practice we’ve been inviting people into and in a very visible way.
  • Jacob: The challenge that I faced in my career, particularly in working with clients when it comes to big-four consulting or strategy house consulting, is you're kind of hired with this underlying assumption that you will have a very clear, mechanical approach, that you will be able to deduce insights that they weren’t already aware of and that you can give answers to the organization that they can take forward… that’s kind of the more traditional consulting USP (Unique Selling Proposition) for the big firms. Traditionally, that is what the market and buyers have wanted but more and more I am seeing a shift, particularly through digital disruption, to new ways of working that challenge the older consulting models.
  • Jacob: The more we can bring our world and your world together, for lack of better words, the greater the innovation and the greater the power of moving forward is going to be.
  • Tues: 100%! Gives us a chance to live our rhetoric. We came up with the conception of a new Operating System together. That was definitely more of a sum of the parts. It results in better work - we developed something that did not exist in the world before.
  • Tim: There are many people who will say that we [Tim & Tuesday] “sold out” by agreeing to work with an organization like PwC. Yet, what we are discovering is quite the opposite - it’s made our work better, it’s increased our capacity to serve the people we are working for.
  • Tim: I’m proud of what we’ve done together, both of the work itself and the breaking down of barriers in our own worldviews and between our own organizations. Our client has talked about the Operating System we developed as “groundbreaking.” I would also say that our combined approach has also been groundbreaking.


Poem: “Whereas: An Excerpt” by Layli Long Soldier


WHEREAS I heard a noise I thought was a sneeze. At the breakfast table pushing eggs around my plate I wondered if he liked my cooking, thought about what to talk about. He pinched his fingers to the bridge of his nose, squeezed his eyes. He wiped. I often say he was a terrible drinker when I was a child I’m not afraid to say it because he’s different now: sober, attentive, showered, eating. But in my childhood when things were different I rolled onto my side, my hands together as if to pray, locked between knees. When things were different I lay there for long hours, my face to the wall, blank. My eyes left me, my soldiers, my two scouts to the unseen. And because language is the immaterial I never could speak about the missing so perhaps I cried for the invisible, what I could not see, doubly. What is it to wish for the absence of nothing? There at the breakfast table as an adult, wondering what to talk about if he liked my cooking, pushing the invisible to the plate’s edge I looked up to see he hadn’t sneezed, he was crying. I’d never heard him cry, didn’t recognize the symptoms. I turned to him when I heard him say I’m sorry I wasn’t there sorry for many things / like that / curative voicing / an opened bundle / or medicine / or birthday wishing / my hand to his shoulder / it’s okay I said it’s over now I meant it / because of our faces blankly / because of a lifelong stare down / because of centuries in sorry


Song: “In Gold” by Submotion Orchestra


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 41:02

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source


Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> <![CDATA[2.01: Generosity: The Heart-Expansion & Opportunity Of Generosity In Change Work ]]> Tue, 01 Oct 2019 09:00:23 GMT 34:40 5d91345db8ba57ae71fc974c true http://findtheoutside.com/podcast 5d91345db8ba57ae71fc974c 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 201-generosity In the first episode of season two, Tim and Tuesday explore one of the most prescient requirements of equitable change: the generosity necessary to successfully work through difference. full 2 1 In the first episode of season two, Tim and Tuesday explore one of the most prescient requirements of equitable change: the generosity necessary to successfully work through difference. How can we draw out and celebrate such a critical ingredient when that ingredient cannot be forced, but earned?




2.01 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tim: Generosity is one of the core principals of The Outside. It’s how we turn up in our work, our lives and with each other. The overflowing cup of generosity. We are dealing with really tough issues, yet at the same time, there is an incredible humanity turning up in the room as well as professionalism.
  • Tues: When we talk about difference, traditionally, people often contract. This is the exact opposite of it. It’s a heart expansion piece. I am generous because the opportunity is there and I am willing to step into it. It connects us. It feels like a key piece of working in equity and difference is generosity; although you can’t demand it.
  • Tues: Appreciation & Generosity: Wondering what is the role of appreciating that is one of those conditions that supports generosity? The expression of appreciation is part of generosity.
  • Tues: Wondering about the role of generosity in power and privilege… sometimes I find that those in power are less appreciative and have less generosity. Is this true? Let’s talk about it.
  • Tim: I feel like there is a connection between empathy and generosity [to give, to share]. What I know from my own life and upbringing is that a lot of circumstances of wealth and privilege led towards having a significant empathy deficit / a significant lack of ability to put yourself in someone else’s shoes and understand that.
  • Tim: Many of the systems we are working with are designed for siloed, fragmented thinking. A huge piece of our work is about overcoming that. This generosity thing we are talking about is like a backdoor to defragmentation.
  • Tues: Often in rooms when people are brought together, the thinking is that when ‘this’ or ‘that’ happens, then we can be generous. There are often pre-conditions for when we can be generous with one another. We don’t have to wait one moment. There does not have to be the perfect conditions to be generous with one another. We can just start. The backdoor is always open.
  • Tim: What I am loving here is how subversive generosity is to the dominant cultures and structures of decision making. How subversive this can be to the psychology and mindset many of our senior leaders are in. Generosity can invite our senior leaders into working in a different way.
  • Tim: This principal of generosity, particularly in the two really large systems change efforts we are involved in right now in the US and Europe, it has permeated, not just the work and our team, but the contracting. It’s permeated the toughest conversations around contracting which is money and intellectual property. It’s quite remarkable. Generosity can extend into some of the most transactional spaces.


Poem: “blessing the boats” by Lucille Clifton (1936-2010)

may the tide

that is entering even now

the lip of our understanding

carry you out

beyond the face of fear

may you kiss

the wind then turn from it

certain that it will

love your back may you

open your eyes to water

water waving forever

and may you in your innocence

sail through this to that


Song: “Balade brésilienne (feat. Flavia Coelho)” - Gaël Faye - Des fleurs - EP


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 34:41

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In the first episode of season two, Tim and Tuesday explore one of the most prescient requirements of equitable change: the generosity necessary to successfully work through difference. How can we draw out and celebrate such a critical ingredient when that ingredient cannot be forced, but earned?




2.01 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tim: Generosity is one of the core principals of The Outside. It’s how we turn up in our work, our lives and with each other. The overflowing cup of generosity. We are dealing with really tough issues, yet at the same time, there is an incredible humanity turning up in the room as well as professionalism.
  • Tues: When we talk about difference, traditionally, people often contract. This is the exact opposite of it. It’s a heart expansion piece. I am generous because the opportunity is there and I am willing to step into it. It connects us. It feels like a key piece of working in equity and difference is generosity; although you can’t demand it.
  • Tues: Appreciation & Generosity: Wondering what is the role of appreciating that is one of those conditions that supports generosity? The expression of appreciation is part of generosity.
  • Tues: Wondering about the role of generosity in power and privilege… sometimes I find that those in power are less appreciative and have less generosity. Is this true? Let’s talk about it.
  • Tim: I feel like there is a connection between empathy and generosity [to give, to share]. What I know from my own life and upbringing is that a lot of circumstances of wealth and privilege led towards having a significant empathy deficit / a significant lack of ability to put yourself in someone else’s shoes and understand that.
  • Tim: Many of the systems we are working with are designed for siloed, fragmented thinking. A huge piece of our work is about overcoming that. This generosity thing we are talking about is like a backdoor to defragmentation.
  • Tues: Often in rooms when people are brought together, the thinking is that when ‘this’ or ‘that’ happens, then we can be generous. There are often pre-conditions for when we can be generous with one another. We don’t have to wait one moment. There does not have to be the perfect conditions to be generous with one another. We can just start. The backdoor is always open.
  • Tim: What I am loving here is how subversive generosity is to the dominant cultures and structures of decision making. How subversive this can be to the psychology and mindset many of our senior leaders are in. Generosity can invite our senior leaders into working in a different way.
  • Tim: This principal of generosity, particularly in the two really large systems change efforts we are involved in right now in the US and Europe, it has permeated, not just the work and our team, but the contracting. It’s permeated the toughest conversations around contracting which is money and intellectual property. It’s quite remarkable. Generosity can extend into some of the most transactional spaces.


Poem: “blessing the boats” by Lucille Clifton (1936-2010)

may the tide

that is entering even now

the lip of our understanding

carry you out

beyond the face of fear

may you kiss

the wind then turn from it

certain that it will

love your back may you

open your eyes to water

water waving forever

and may you in your innocence

sail through this to that


Song: “Balade brésilienne (feat. Flavia Coelho)” - Gaël Faye - Des fleurs - EP


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 34:41

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> <![CDATA[1.21: School's Out: Reflecting On A Year Of Reflection - How To Take Heart & Cultivate Readiness For Bold Change ]]> Tue, 25 Jun 2019 09:00:13 GMT 33:27 5d10e70266bbebe45e5483c9 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5d10e70266bbebe45e5483c9 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 121-schools-out-reflecting-on-a-year-of-reflection In season one’s final episode, Tim and Tuesday wrap a year of incredible conversations with a summer assignment: how do we cultivate readiness? full 1 21 In season one’s final episode, Tim and Tuesday wrap a year of incredible conversations with a summer assignment: how do we cultivate readiness? Along the road as systems change facilitators, we wonder: are we really doing what we set out to do? And how can we find fertile and steady ground in emergent work?


1.21 —— SHOW NOTES


Tues: This is our Season Finale episode!

Tim: The number of people listening has been steadily increasing. I know there are groups listening together. I love the honour and opportunity we’ve had in being in people’s lives. It makes me really happy.

Tim: The Outside has exploded. It’s busy and we are still trying to figure out how to deal with that because we did not expect it to grow this fast, this soon. And so, the podcast has become a space to stop, reflect, think bigger, reconnect around the work, challenge each other.

Tim: Looking back on our year, what is important to leave with our podcast listeners?

Tues: Two things: (1) Work-wise, one of our learnings is that systems change, with equity at the centre, takes a long time to really catch. It can be years into an effort before those pieces really come together. (2) Personal: Keep learning and understanding and moving from your centre. If you do nothing else this summer, except discover more about yourself, you will have done some pretty amazing work and some pretty amazing work in the world.

Tim: My personal practice of meditation, of spending time in nature, of being in therapy that allows me to revisit things in my childhood that set fundamental patterns for my behaviour… there’s something in all of that which is about letting go of who I think I am, what I think I am, what I think my work is.

Tim: Accessing “readiness” is one of the things I want to start exploring. How to we map the stages of this [client’s] journey over multiple years. When I was in my early 20’s coaching with Meg Wheatley, she used to talk about ‘one step at a time leadership.’ Stop, Re-orient, Re-organize, Move.

Tim: My wife and I choose a word or a sentence that sets a tone for the year. The one we landed on for 2019 was ‘balance’. What is the balance I want in my life? Inviting everyone into this — how are we giving all parts of ourselves what we need?

Tues: Next season, we’ll interview Jacob Watkins, Trupti Sarode & Gabrielle Donnelly about co-existence of data and analysis. We’ll speak with Alastair Jarvis about Two Loops of Systems Change. We’ll explore balance, and continue to share what we’re learning about equity and systems change. We’ll also feature Ole Qvist-Sørensen from Bigger Picture, around visualizing shifted futures.

Tues: We will be back next fall (Date: TBC)! In the meantime, please revisit season one, and share and subscribe!


Poem: “Find a Point on the Wall” by our friend, Lex Schroeder


Find a Point on the Wall


try holding your leg out straight from your hip

turn out

bend, and dip

point

now hold it straight out

be long

where's your core

point

turn out

bend

now hold it straight out

grow taller

take it to the side

higher

back

we’ll do 8

take it up now

ball of the foot

turn around

higher

grow 5 inches more

arms up

turn

kick it out

try not to collapse into your standing leg

where’s your core

good

now try letting your friends feel pain

let them live with a steady ache

let them bring themselves back from the dead

let your loved ones grow older

keep going, let people get sick

let someone worry about you

try laughing during a nuclear war

let beauty wash over you

feel loved, try to love somebody well

take up a bit more space, back up

we’ll do 3 sets of 8

soften

higher

let it be bigger than you

grow 5 inches

say it straight out

don't rush these

forget yourself

try practicing grace

let your heart break for the world

try crying after a dry spell

root into the ground

soften

now stay long

we’ll do 3 more sets

Occupy

and back

back

just 2 more

where’s your chest

don’t scrunch

grow taller

make more space

it's ok, be exhausted

let it be easy

look up

Hello!

relax into the breath

find your core

there


Song: “Incapable” by Róisín Murphy


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 33:28

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In season one’s final episode, Tim and Tuesday wrap a year of incredible conversations with a summer assignment: how do we cultivate readiness? Along the road as systems change facilitators, we wonder: are we really doing what we set out to do? And how can we find fertile and steady ground in emergent work?


1.21 —— SHOW NOTES


Tues: This is our Season Finale episode!

Tim: The number of people listening has been steadily increasing. I know there are groups listening together. I love the honour and opportunity we’ve had in being in people’s lives. It makes me really happy.

Tim: The Outside has exploded. It’s busy and we are still trying to figure out how to deal with that because we did not expect it to grow this fast, this soon. And so, the podcast has become a space to stop, reflect, think bigger, reconnect around the work, challenge each other.

Tim: Looking back on our year, what is important to leave with our podcast listeners?

Tues: Two things: (1) Work-wise, one of our learnings is that systems change, with equity at the centre, takes a long time to really catch. It can be years into an effort before those pieces really come together. (2) Personal: Keep learning and understanding and moving from your centre. If you do nothing else this summer, except discover more about yourself, you will have done some pretty amazing work and some pretty amazing work in the world.

Tim: My personal practice of meditation, of spending time in nature, of being in therapy that allows me to revisit things in my childhood that set fundamental patterns for my behaviour… there’s something in all of that which is about letting go of who I think I am, what I think I am, what I think my work is.

Tim: Accessing “readiness” is one of the things I want to start exploring. How to we map the stages of this [client’s] journey over multiple years. When I was in my early 20’s coaching with Meg Wheatley, she used to talk about ‘one step at a time leadership.’ Stop, Re-orient, Re-organize, Move.

Tim: My wife and I choose a word or a sentence that sets a tone for the year. The one we landed on for 2019 was ‘balance’. What is the balance I want in my life? Inviting everyone into this — how are we giving all parts of ourselves what we need?

Tues: Next season, we’ll interview Jacob Watkins, Trupti Sarode & Gabrielle Donnelly about co-existence of data and analysis. We’ll speak with Alastair Jarvis about Two Loops of Systems Change. We’ll explore balance, and continue to share what we’re learning about equity and systems change. We’ll also feature Ole Qvist-Sørensen from Bigger Picture, around visualizing shifted futures.

Tues: We will be back next fall (Date: TBC)! In the meantime, please revisit season one, and share and subscribe!


Poem: “Find a Point on the Wall” by our friend, Lex Schroeder


Find a Point on the Wall


try holding your leg out straight from your hip

turn out

bend, and dip

point

now hold it straight out

be long

where's your core

point

turn out

bend

now hold it straight out

grow taller

take it to the side

higher

back

we’ll do 8

take it up now

ball of the foot

turn around

higher

grow 5 inches more

arms up

turn

kick it out

try not to collapse into your standing leg

where’s your core

good

now try letting your friends feel pain

let them live with a steady ache

let them bring themselves back from the dead

let your loved ones grow older

keep going, let people get sick

let someone worry about you

try laughing during a nuclear war

let beauty wash over you

feel loved, try to love somebody well

take up a bit more space, back up

we’ll do 3 sets of 8

soften

higher

let it be bigger than you

grow 5 inches

say it straight out

don't rush these

forget yourself

try practicing grace

let your heart break for the world

try crying after a dry spell

root into the ground

soften

now stay long

we’ll do 3 more sets

Occupy

and back

back

just 2 more

where’s your chest

don’t scrunch

grow taller

make more space

it's ok, be exhausted

let it be easy

look up

Hello!

relax into the breath

find your core

there


Song: “Incapable” by Róisín Murphy


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 33:28

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 1.20: Data: How Data Underpins Clarity-of-Reality And Pathfinding To Better Futures 1.20: Data: How Data Underpins Clarity-of-Reality And Pathfinding To Better Futures Tue, 11 Jun 2019 09:00:05 GMT 33:58 5cf92e9942114d764b737e41 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5cf92e9942114d764b737e41 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 120-data In episode twenty, Tim and Tuesday dig into the substance of change—how to cultivate the kind of big-picture view that validates a good forward path. full 1 20 In episode twenty, Tim and Tuesday dig into the substance of change—how to cultivate the kind of big-picture view that validates a good forward path.



1.20 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tim: We’ve been learning a lot about data, particularly over the last 12 months, as we work with major initiatives that bring in large consultancy firms who are generating data for us. There’s a real opportunity to combine the process expertise that we bring in with the data and analysis that comes out of evaluation work to support really powerful interventions in very large systems.
  • Tues: There’s a really honest reaction to deductive reasoning that so often accompanies data capture. It is a legitimate reaction but for us as we get into bigger and bigger systems change, where data is simply part of the environment, we had to figure out how we would work with it and use it. We’ve been learning about marrying these two different streams (narrative and data). 
  • Tim: Because people think data has the answer, there can be a misconception that if we do really good data analysis we are going to know what to do. In our experience, the more data analysis we do, the better informed your decisions are but they are not easier to make. 
  • Tues: The request for data, or more data, is often a block to get to work. But good data pushes you further into inquiry and allows you to meet the system where they are.
  • Tim: To provoke, exhilarate and inform where we take action.
  • Tues: Developmental Evaluation moves beyond summative evaluation as it supports a shift in mindset towards experimentation, learning as you go, to iterate.
  • Tues: Summative and Developmental Evaluation walk together quite well. It’s not a good or bad, an either/or, it’s a both/and. They need to be aligned and work together.
  • Tim: The Hunger Project that Tues worked on is an incredible summary of multiple iterations into a highly complex intervention into food systems.
  • Tues: Developmental Evaluation provides us with a much fuller way to support these processes and support the leaders that allow them to try something new.
  • Tim: If data is shared and evolving overtime could it become a ‘shared currency’ — could it unite us in a fragmented system that is struggling to meet the needs of the people it is trying to serve?


Poem: “Endymion, Book I” by John Keats

A thing of beauty is a joy for ever:

Its loveliness increases; it will never

Pass into nothingness; but still will keep

A bower quiet for us, and a sleep

Full of sweet dreams, and health, and quiet breathing.

Therefore, on every morrow, are we wreathing

A flowery band to bind us to the earth,

Spite of despondence, of the inhuman dearth

Of noble natures, of the gloomy days,

Of all the unhealthy and o'er-darkened ways

Made for our searching: yes, in spite of all,

Some shape of beauty moves away the pall

From our dark spirits. Such the sun, the moon,

Trees old and young, sprouting a shady boon

For simple sheep; and such are daffodils

With the green world they live in; and clear rills

That for themselves a cooling covert make

'Gainst the hot season; the mid forest brake,

Rich with a sprinkling of fair musk-rose blooms:

And such too is the grandeur of the dooms

We have imagined for the mighty dead;

All lovely tales that we have heard or read:

An endless fountain of immortal drink,

Pouring unto us from the heaven's brink.

(continue reading here)


Song: “Happy Birthday” by Stevie Wonder


Duration: 34:06

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode twenty, Tim and Tuesday dig into the substance of change—how to cultivate the kind of big-picture view that validates a good forward path.



1.20 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tim: We’ve been learning a lot about data, particularly over the last 12 months, as we work with major initiatives that bring in large consultancy firms who are generating data for us. There’s a real opportunity to combine the process expertise that we bring in with the data and analysis that comes out of evaluation work to support really powerful interventions in very large systems.
  • Tues: There’s a really honest reaction to deductive reasoning that so often accompanies data capture. It is a legitimate reaction but for us as we get into bigger and bigger systems change, where data is simply part of the environment, we had to figure out how we would work with it and use it. We’ve been learning about marrying these two different streams (narrative and data). 
  • Tim: Because people think data has the answer, there can be a misconception that if we do really good data analysis we are going to know what to do. In our experience, the more data analysis we do, the better informed your decisions are but they are not easier to make. 
  • Tues: The request for data, or more data, is often a block to get to work. But good data pushes you further into inquiry and allows you to meet the system where they are.
  • Tim: To provoke, exhilarate and inform where we take action.
  • Tues: Developmental Evaluation moves beyond summative evaluation as it supports a shift in mindset towards experimentation, learning as you go, to iterate.
  • Tues: Summative and Developmental Evaluation walk together quite well. It’s not a good or bad, an either/or, it’s a both/and. They need to be aligned and work together.
  • Tim: The Hunger Project that Tues worked on is an incredible summary of multiple iterations into a highly complex intervention into food systems.
  • Tues: Developmental Evaluation provides us with a much fuller way to support these processes and support the leaders that allow them to try something new.
  • Tim: If data is shared and evolving overtime could it become a ‘shared currency’ — could it unite us in a fragmented system that is struggling to meet the needs of the people it is trying to serve?


Poem: “Endymion, Book I” by John Keats

A thing of beauty is a joy for ever:

Its loveliness increases; it will never

Pass into nothingness; but still will keep

A bower quiet for us, and a sleep

Full of sweet dreams, and health, and quiet breathing.

Therefore, on every morrow, are we wreathing

A flowery band to bind us to the earth,

Spite of despondence, of the inhuman dearth

Of noble natures, of the gloomy days,

Of all the unhealthy and o'er-darkened ways

Made for our searching: yes, in spite of all,

Some shape of beauty moves away the pall

From our dark spirits. Such the sun, the moon,

Trees old and young, sprouting a shady boon

For simple sheep; and such are daffodils

With the green world they live in; and clear rills

That for themselves a cooling covert make

'Gainst the hot season; the mid forest brake,

Rich with a sprinkling of fair musk-rose blooms:

And such too is the grandeur of the dooms

We have imagined for the mighty dead;

All lovely tales that we have heard or read:

An endless fountain of immortal drink,

Pouring unto us from the heaven's brink.

(continue reading here)


Song: “Happy Birthday” by Stevie Wonder


Duration: 34:06

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 1.19: The Circle: From The Floor: A New Process To Tackle The Underpinnings Of Systems That Need Change 1.19: The Circle: From The Floor: A New Process To Tackle The Underpinnings Of Systems That Need Change Tue, 28 May 2019 14:50:28 GMT 40:56 5ced0ac7207afe610a0d162e true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5ced0ac7207afe610a0d162e 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 119-the-circle In episode nineteen, Tim and Tuesday tell the story of an improvised process in the middle of a three-day session. As facilitators, how can we orchestrate memorable, game-changing breakthroughs or surges ahead in understanding? full 1 19 In episode nineteen, Tim and Tuesday tell the story of an improvised process in the middle of a three-day session. As facilitators, how can we orchestrate memorable, game-changing breakthroughs or surges ahead in understanding?



1.19 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: Today we’ve got a story to share from the middle of a three-day strategic event. Things had shifted and we discovered that the needs were different. The day before we had gotten a lot of information in and we needed to turn the corner into developing strategy. We were missing depth. It was time to shake things up.
  • Tim: I tend toward strategy. I had a gut feeling that if we went straight into strategy we would replicate what we heard the day before. Needed to make it human and ‘felt’ in the room. So much of our lead up to this retreat was around beliefs. We need to deal with some of the fundamental beliefs that underpin the current system and tackle them. If not, it’s highly likely that we are going to replicate the very things we are trying to change. 
  • Tues: A depth of feeling was in the room but no collective sense of depth. And we were looking at a group of folks who had very deep, structural divisions within them. To move to strategy would have kept us in our camps. 
  • Tim: Idea of a fish bowl — it would enable people to witness each other from the different perspectives they were bringing in from the different parts of the system and then we began to think about working with that structure. 
  • Tues: I’d previously used fish bowls in anti-racism / anti-sexism work. They can bring perspective that you don’t hear often, however in North America it can really entrench people back into how they know how to talk about their experience. We asked them to speak from themselves and brought a different kind of question to fish bowl.
  • Tues: Physical set-up of fish bowl is a group of people in a circle in the centre and a second outer circle of people. For those of us in the centre, we were the circle. The conversation was only in the inner circle.
  • Tim: Part of working with groups is the ability to be strategic and being able to be tuned into the individual and people in the room and another bit that is energetic. 
  • Tim: Experience of holding the outer circle — if felt important for me to be incredibly grounded so I would close my eyes for long periods of time and open them for long periods of time. Very deliberate entering and grounding of myself in the room. The other thing that happened as I was sitting there I was getting a lot of really intense visual images with water. It was an important experience for me as a host.
  • Tues: We did the circle three times — started with the medium power group, least amount of power group and ended with the group with the most amount of power. In every group there was something incredibly moving. In the second group (least amount of power) at one point someone said “I think this group has the most pain” and that was a really important moment as it threatened to bring us back into ourselves and our typical divisions. So I stepped in and said there is a lot of pain in this circle and there was a lot of pain in the first circle as well. It allowed the whole group to feel the wholeness and reject fragmentation. Then at the end of that group, I had the inner circle stand up and face the outer circle and said “when we talk about these people” we are no longer talking in abstraction, we are talking about each other (these people) in this room. It was another moment of re-knitting into our wholeness. 
  • Tim: This process led us into a completely different quality of depth.
  • Tues: Depth and strategy are inextricable.


Poem: The Travelling Onion by Naomi Shihab Nye


When I think how far the onion has traveled

just to enter my stew today, I could kneel and praise

all small forgotten miracles,

crackly paper peeling on the drainboard,

pearly layers in smooth agreement,

the way the knife enters onion

and onion falls apart on the chopping block,

a history revealed.

And I would never scold the onion

for causing tears. It is right that tears fall

for something small and forgotten.

How at meal, we sit to eat,

commenting on texture of meat or herbal aroma

but never on the translucence of onion,

now limp, now divided,

or its traditionally honorable career:

For the sake of others, disappear.


Song: Waterfall by The Stone Roses


Duration: 40:50

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode nineteen, Tim and Tuesday tell the story of an improvised process in the middle of a three-day session. As facilitators, how can we orchestrate memorable, game-changing breakthroughs or surges ahead in understanding?



1.19 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: Today we’ve got a story to share from the middle of a three-day strategic event. Things had shifted and we discovered that the needs were different. The day before we had gotten a lot of information in and we needed to turn the corner into developing strategy. We were missing depth. It was time to shake things up.
  • Tim: I tend toward strategy. I had a gut feeling that if we went straight into strategy we would replicate what we heard the day before. Needed to make it human and ‘felt’ in the room. So much of our lead up to this retreat was around beliefs. We need to deal with some of the fundamental beliefs that underpin the current system and tackle them. If not, it’s highly likely that we are going to replicate the very things we are trying to change. 
  • Tues: A depth of feeling was in the room but no collective sense of depth. And we were looking at a group of folks who had very deep, structural divisions within them. To move to strategy would have kept us in our camps. 
  • Tim: Idea of a fish bowl — it would enable people to witness each other from the different perspectives they were bringing in from the different parts of the system and then we began to think about working with that structure. 
  • Tues: I’d previously used fish bowls in anti-racism / anti-sexism work. They can bring perspective that you don’t hear often, however in North America it can really entrench people back into how they know how to talk about their experience. We asked them to speak from themselves and brought a different kind of question to fish bowl.
  • Tues: Physical set-up of fish bowl is a group of people in a circle in the centre and a second outer circle of people. For those of us in the centre, we were the circle. The conversation was only in the inner circle.
  • Tim: Part of working with groups is the ability to be strategic and being able to be tuned into the individual and people in the room and another bit that is energetic. 
  • Tim: Experience of holding the outer circle — if felt important for me to be incredibly grounded so I would close my eyes for long periods of time and open them for long periods of time. Very deliberate entering and grounding of myself in the room. The other thing that happened as I was sitting there I was getting a lot of really intense visual images with water. It was an important experience for me as a host.
  • Tues: We did the circle three times — started with the medium power group, least amount of power group and ended with the group with the most amount of power. In every group there was something incredibly moving. In the second group (least amount of power) at one point someone said “I think this group has the most pain” and that was a really important moment as it threatened to bring us back into ourselves and our typical divisions. So I stepped in and said there is a lot of pain in this circle and there was a lot of pain in the first circle as well. It allowed the whole group to feel the wholeness and reject fragmentation. Then at the end of that group, I had the inner circle stand up and face the outer circle and said “when we talk about these people” we are no longer talking in abstraction, we are talking about each other (these people) in this room. It was another moment of re-knitting into our wholeness. 
  • Tim: This process led us into a completely different quality of depth.
  • Tues: Depth and strategy are inextricable.


Poem: The Travelling Onion by Naomi Shihab Nye


When I think how far the onion has traveled

just to enter my stew today, I could kneel and praise

all small forgotten miracles,

crackly paper peeling on the drainboard,

pearly layers in smooth agreement,

the way the knife enters onion

and onion falls apart on the chopping block,

a history revealed.

And I would never scold the onion

for causing tears. It is right that tears fall

for something small and forgotten.

How at meal, we sit to eat,

commenting on texture of meat or herbal aroma

but never on the translucence of onion,

now limp, now divided,

or its traditionally honorable career:

For the sake of others, disappear.


Song: Waterfall by The Stone Roses


Duration: 40:50

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 1.18: Teamwork: People Apart But Together: The Tactics and Strategy of Growing a Business of Change 1.18: Teamwork: People Apart But Together: The Tactics and Strategy of Growing a Business of Change Tue, 14 May 2019 09:00:08 GMT 34:52 5cd08c9807d4a30a550aa26b true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5cd08c9807d4a30a550aa26b 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 118-teamwork In episode eighteen, Tim and Tuesday explore how we work with distributed teams: as ‘managers of one’, how can we keep a strong connection? How can we navigate highly complex issues and change processes of a rapidly-growing and remote business? full 1 18 In episode eighteen, Tim and Tuesday explore how we work with distributed teams: as ‘managers of one’, how can we keep a strong connection? How can we navigate highly complex issues and change processes of a rapidly-growing and remote business?



1.18 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: Managers of one are often used to going off and doing their own thing. I am very accustomed to managing and navigating on my own, so the added dimension of additional people adds a wrinkle: how to keep everyone connected and intersecting, both strategically and tactically?
  • Tim: One of the great benefits of working with a team is that we get to see a bigger picture we couldn’t see otherwise, allowing for strategic direction and prioritization. As a naturally productive person, there is a piece of me that measures myself relative to my production rather than relative to my connection.
  • Tues: The benefit of a team can allow us to hold production and connection but can also be a challenge.
  • Tim: Inherent to teams can be the connection you build. There’s something about our team for the ability to be really human with each other and practical, get shit done.
  • Tues: Worth being quite vigilant to connection as we can tilt to one side which is production. Really loving using WhatsApp with our team—a living, breathing space for us to connect with each other.
  • Tim: The focus of our work / approach and theory to change is that we put Shared Work in the middle. I wonder if that also leads to the tendency to put the work over relationships? We also both come from a highly relational field so maybe we take it for granted?
  • Tues: Because we put work in the centre, does that pull us in a direction? Could be a danger to this work. All of the stances around it are relational. How do we live our rhetoric? Being in relationship, staying in connection, taking care of each other—all of that feeds our results and moves the work into the centre.
  • Tim: Shared Work is the compelling centre that has the gravitational pull to attract ideas, people, resources. The thing everything begins to orbit around. The stances or principals of these agreements become the container. This is Art of Hosting 101.
  • Tim: We’re finding with our clients that we are constantly negotiating between our dearest-held beliefs about the work and our circumstances. It’s a tango. That’s happening in our teams as well. If we don’t meet regularly as a team, people start to feel fragmented and disconnected.
  • Tues: There’s a sense of belonging to team and the work and that we are not alone in it. What does power have to do with that? How do power and belonging knit together? Do those of us with more power have a responsibility to create places and spaces for people to belong?
  • Tim: We also need places of belonging. I want my teams to feel like a fun place to be and I want to create that for others. But it’s not about connection for the sake of connection. This is about creating places of belonging both for ourselves and for the teams we bring together.


Poem: “Green Gulch Farm” by Stephanie Kaza

We live by the sun, We feel by the moon, We move by the stars,

We live in all things, All things live in us,

We eat from the earth, We drink from the rain, We breathe of the air,

We live in all things, All things live in us,

We call to each other, We listen to each other, Our hearts deepen with love and compassion,

We live in all things, All things live in us,

We depend on the trees and animals, We depend on the earth, Our minds open with wisdom and insight,

We live in all things, All things live in us,

We dedicated our practice to others, We include all forms of life, We celebrate the joy of living-dying,

We live in all things, All things live in us,

We are full of life, We are full of death, We are grateful for all beings and companions.


Song: Pumped Up Kicks by Foster The People


Duration: 34:49

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

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]]> In episode eighteen, Tim and Tuesday explore how we work with distributed teams: as ‘managers of one’, how can we keep a strong connection? How can we navigate highly complex issues and change processes of a rapidly-growing and remote business?



1.18 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: Managers of one are often used to going off and doing their own thing. I am very accustomed to managing and navigating on my own, so the added dimension of additional people adds a wrinkle: how to keep everyone connected and intersecting, both strategically and tactically?
  • Tim: One of the great benefits of working with a team is that we get to see a bigger picture we couldn’t see otherwise, allowing for strategic direction and prioritization. As a naturally productive person, there is a piece of me that measures myself relative to my production rather than relative to my connection.
  • Tues: The benefit of a team can allow us to hold production and connection but can also be a challenge.
  • Tim: Inherent to teams can be the connection you build. There’s something about our team for the ability to be really human with each other and practical, get shit done.
  • Tues: Worth being quite vigilant to connection as we can tilt to one side which is production. Really loving using WhatsApp with our team—a living, breathing space for us to connect with each other.
  • Tim: The focus of our work / approach and theory to change is that we put Shared Work in the middle. I wonder if that also leads to the tendency to put the work over relationships? We also both come from a highly relational field so maybe we take it for granted?
  • Tues: Because we put work in the centre, does that pull us in a direction? Could be a danger to this work. All of the stances around it are relational. How do we live our rhetoric? Being in relationship, staying in connection, taking care of each other—all of that feeds our results and moves the work into the centre.
  • Tim: Shared Work is the compelling centre that has the gravitational pull to attract ideas, people, resources. The thing everything begins to orbit around. The stances or principals of these agreements become the container. This is Art of Hosting 101.
  • Tim: We’re finding with our clients that we are constantly negotiating between our dearest-held beliefs about the work and our circumstances. It’s a tango. That’s happening in our teams as well. If we don’t meet regularly as a team, people start to feel fragmented and disconnected.
  • Tues: There’s a sense of belonging to team and the work and that we are not alone in it. What does power have to do with that? How do power and belonging knit together? Do those of us with more power have a responsibility to create places and spaces for people to belong?
  • Tim: We also need places of belonging. I want my teams to feel like a fun place to be and I want to create that for others. But it’s not about connection for the sake of connection. This is about creating places of belonging both for ourselves and for the teams we bring together.


Poem: “Green Gulch Farm” by Stephanie Kaza

We live by the sun, We feel by the moon, We move by the stars,

We live in all things, All things live in us,

We eat from the earth, We drink from the rain, We breathe of the air,

We live in all things, All things live in us,

We call to each other, We listen to each other, Our hearts deepen with love and compassion,

We live in all things, All things live in us,

We depend on the trees and animals, We depend on the earth, Our minds open with wisdom and insight,

We live in all things, All things live in us,

We dedicated our practice to others, We include all forms of life, We celebrate the joy of living-dying,

We live in all things, All things live in us,

We are full of life, We are full of death, We are grateful for all beings and companions.


Song: Pumped Up Kicks by Foster The People


Duration: 34:49

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 1.17: Personal Practice: Tactics to keep calm and not panic in the face of big change 1.17: Personal Practice: Tactics to keep calm and not panic in the face of big change Tue, 30 Apr 2019 09:00:15 GMT 43:08 5cc737c5d97cdbec70ef4168 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5cc737c5d97cdbec70ef4168 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 117-personal-practice full 1 17 In episode seventeen, Tim & Tuesday talk about being clear versus having a feeling of clarity - even through confusion. How can we train ourselves to stay open and keep moving forward in rooms electric with uncertainty?


1.17 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tim: How do I hold my own centre and clarity the midst of it all? How not to get caught up in it or lost in it. Brings us back to personal practice. Keeps coming up again and again.
  • Tues: Personal practice is key to navigate both the clarity and uncertainty. 
  • Tim: The difference between my brain feeling clear and having a feeling of clarity even though I’m incredibly confused. How can we train ourselves to sit in rooms where all of that is happening?
  • Tues: Sinking down below some of thoughts into something different and that place is always quiet, still and settled when I get there. Meditation has given me this.
  • Tim: Personal training directly translates into the ability to work in diverse rooms. Some of the best training in this work is being able to go inside and sit with that kind of inherent confusion of being a human being without freaking out.
  • Tues: Is that maybe why we cling to models so tightly so we don’t have to enter into that confusion?
  • Tim: Beyond self-care, personal practice is one of the things that bring you home to yourself. We all have personal practices available to us. When you choose to step into a world of action and change-making, that is inherently unpredictable, suddenly what is a personal practice for you needs to become a disciple that enables you to do the work.
  • Tues: It’s about turning it on and bringing intention to it / see it as such. There can be a million ways to do it. What is accessible to you now?
  • Tim: What if personal practice was integrated into our idea of what it means to be a parent, a friend, a son, a coach, a leader in my faith community? What if the idea of personal practice was fundamentally connected to our understanding of what it means to be a leader / professional
  • Tues: There is some healing, cleansing, knowing, understanding, amazing thing that can happen in personal practice.



Duration: 43:05

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode seventeen, Tim & Tuesday talk about being clear versus having a feeling of clarity - even through confusion. How can we train ourselves to stay open and keep moving forward in rooms electric with uncertainty?


1.17 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tim: How do I hold my own centre and clarity the midst of it all? How not to get caught up in it or lost in it. Brings us back to personal practice. Keeps coming up again and again.
  • Tues: Personal practice is key to navigate both the clarity and uncertainty. 
  • Tim: The difference between my brain feeling clear and having a feeling of clarity even though I’m incredibly confused. How can we train ourselves to sit in rooms where all of that is happening?
  • Tues: Sinking down below some of thoughts into something different and that place is always quiet, still and settled when I get there. Meditation has given me this.
  • Tim: Personal training directly translates into the ability to work in diverse rooms. Some of the best training in this work is being able to go inside and sit with that kind of inherent confusion of being a human being without freaking out.
  • Tues: Is that maybe why we cling to models so tightly so we don’t have to enter into that confusion?
  • Tim: Beyond self-care, personal practice is one of the things that bring you home to yourself. We all have personal practices available to us. When you choose to step into a world of action and change-making, that is inherently unpredictable, suddenly what is a personal practice for you needs to become a disciple that enables you to do the work.
  • Tues: It’s about turning it on and bringing intention to it / see it as such. There can be a million ways to do it. What is accessible to you now?
  • Tim: What if personal practice was integrated into our idea of what it means to be a parent, a friend, a son, a coach, a leader in my faith community? What if the idea of personal practice was fundamentally connected to our understanding of what it means to be a leader / professional
  • Tues: There is some healing, cleansing, knowing, understanding, amazing thing that can happen in personal practice.



Duration: 43:05

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 1.16: Bridges: Reflections on how to convene for multi-sector, multi-stakeholder change 1.16: Bridges: Reflections on how to convene for multi-sector, multi-stakeholder change Tue, 16 Apr 2019 09:00:08 GMT 44:57 5cb5276afe324a2e6bebb557 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5cb5276afe324a2e6bebb557 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 116-bridges In episode sixteen, Tim and Tuesday speak with change makers at Forward Malmö, a movement uniting for multi-sector, multi-stakeholder change. How can we best share the work on shared problems? full 1 16 In episode sixteen, Tim and Tuesday speak with change makers at Forward Malmö, a movement uniting for multi-sector, multi-stakeholder change. How can we best share the work on shared problems?


A conversation with Joel Veborg and Rodolfo Zuniga of Save The Children and Sabina Dethorey from the City of Malmö. Forward Malmö is a movement that brings together a number of organizations with shared and overlapping mandates to multi-sector, multi-stakeholder change. How can we best convene to change the conditions that impact shared problems?



1.16 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: We’ve been working with these three on an initiative/movement called Forward Malmö for about a year now. It was initiated by Save the Children (develop a systemic view of how to change the conditions that impact children), but pretty quickly it became apparent that we needed a multi-stakeholder/sector response to what is happening to children.
  • Tim: The City of Malmö is dealing with a 30% child poverty rate. There are massive amounts of upheaval and uncertainty in Malmö. We are hoping to do something that impacts things nationally, pointing to the future of Sweden as a whole.
  • Rodolfo: Save the Children - Sweden will be a 100-year organization soon. We are taking a big step to become part of a solution (i.e. migration crisis in 2015). The big eureka for us was that we cannot do it alone. That’s when we contacted The Outside.
  • Joel: We found different people that understood us and wanted to figure things out with us. 
  • Sabina: Malmö is prepared for this because we’ve been working together with NGOs and other stakeholders for quite some time. Malmö has been a city of change for the last two decades. We are used to developing when in-crisis. This last decade was focused on social sustainability. For me, this initiative feels like home. This is the right way to work. 
  • Tim: What’s amazing to me is that people, in fundamentally different sectors, are having the same realization and somehow finding each other to do this work of transformation.
  • Joel: This is true as we’ve been searching for answers outside of our organization—lots of conversations over many years. The private sector is new to us.
  • Tues: There is some momentum that is attracting the private sector to Forward Malmö. 
  • Tim: The quality of relationship-building and care for each other creates fertile ground for our work to turn up and have a proper impact.
  • Rodolfo: The invitation to our workshop [and this work] was built upon the relationship and trust from invitees. We are designing a long conversation here where we will see a lot of outputs and outcomes. This is imprinted in the cultural DNA of Swedes. When there is a problem, we gather and try to build a solution. 
  • Sabina: What I learned from the NGO I started was believing in yourself. We had people with power telling us ‘that won’t work / you won’t succeed’.
  • Tim: We’ve decided to acknowledge that this is long-term work. It’s about connecting action so that we have a leadership cohort to carry us into the future. Just this change of narrative has attracted people to us.
  • Joel: Think this is brilliant! People need this fragmented space to see and think.
  • Rodolfo: We saw that there was a clear need for leadership and capacity-building.
  • Sabina: During the last year, others also identified leadership as a crucial thing to work with. The Malmö Commission final report also pointed to this. Need to work with it in so many layers. This could really have an impact on our future work.
  • Tim: People believe in the “how” even though they don’t know the destination. We are going to figure it out together and that’s what makes it trustworthy. It’s simple, but it’s powerful.


Poem: Sabina shared a Swedish poem—we’ll upload the English version as soon as we have our hands on it.


Song (Joel): “The Weight” (“The Last Waltz” LIVE version) by The Band


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 44:57

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source




Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode sixteen, Tim and Tuesday speak with change makers at Forward Malmö, a movement uniting for multi-sector, multi-stakeholder change. How can we best share the work on shared problems?


A conversation with Joel Veborg and Rodolfo Zuniga of Save The Children and Sabina Dethorey from the City of Malmö. Forward Malmö is a movement that brings together a number of organizations with shared and overlapping mandates to multi-sector, multi-stakeholder change. How can we best convene to change the conditions that impact shared problems?



1.16 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: We’ve been working with these three on an initiative/movement called Forward Malmö for about a year now. It was initiated by Save the Children (develop a systemic view of how to change the conditions that impact children), but pretty quickly it became apparent that we needed a multi-stakeholder/sector response to what is happening to children.
  • Tim: The City of Malmö is dealing with a 30% child poverty rate. There are massive amounts of upheaval and uncertainty in Malmö. We are hoping to do something that impacts things nationally, pointing to the future of Sweden as a whole.
  • Rodolfo: Save the Children - Sweden will be a 100-year organization soon. We are taking a big step to become part of a solution (i.e. migration crisis in 2015). The big eureka for us was that we cannot do it alone. That’s when we contacted The Outside.
  • Joel: We found different people that understood us and wanted to figure things out with us. 
  • Sabina: Malmö is prepared for this because we’ve been working together with NGOs and other stakeholders for quite some time. Malmö has been a city of change for the last two decades. We are used to developing when in-crisis. This last decade was focused on social sustainability. For me, this initiative feels like home. This is the right way to work. 
  • Tim: What’s amazing to me is that people, in fundamentally different sectors, are having the same realization and somehow finding each other to do this work of transformation.
  • Joel: This is true as we’ve been searching for answers outside of our organization—lots of conversations over many years. The private sector is new to us.
  • Tues: There is some momentum that is attracting the private sector to Forward Malmö. 
  • Tim: The quality of relationship-building and care for each other creates fertile ground for our work to turn up and have a proper impact.
  • Rodolfo: The invitation to our workshop [and this work] was built upon the relationship and trust from invitees. We are designing a long conversation here where we will see a lot of outputs and outcomes. This is imprinted in the cultural DNA of Swedes. When there is a problem, we gather and try to build a solution. 
  • Sabina: What I learned from the NGO I started was believing in yourself. We had people with power telling us ‘that won’t work / you won’t succeed’.
  • Tim: We’ve decided to acknowledge that this is long-term work. It’s about connecting action so that we have a leadership cohort to carry us into the future. Just this change of narrative has attracted people to us.
  • Joel: Think this is brilliant! People need this fragmented space to see and think.
  • Rodolfo: We saw that there was a clear need for leadership and capacity-building.
  • Sabina: During the last year, others also identified leadership as a crucial thing to work with. The Malmö Commission final report also pointed to this. Need to work with it in so many layers. This could really have an impact on our future work.
  • Tim: People believe in the “how” even though they don’t know the destination. We are going to figure it out together and that’s what makes it trustworthy. It’s simple, but it’s powerful.


Poem: Sabina shared a Swedish poem—we’ll upload the English version as soon as we have our hands on it.


Song (Joel): “The Weight” (“The Last Waltz” LIVE version) by The Band


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 44:57

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source




Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 1.15: From Experimentation to Actualization: With Gratitude On Our First Anniversary Of Change 1.15: From Experimentation to Actualization: With Gratitude On Our First Anniversary Of Change Tue, 02 Apr 2019 10:18:06 GMT 32:16 5ca3364003477bdd7112abca true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5ca3364003477bdd7112abca 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 115-from-experimentation-to-actualization full 1 15 In episode fifteen, Tim & Tuesday share insights on their many rapid-pace leaps and lessons over the last year. The Outside’s team, delivery, story, and facilitation is a constant iteration.



1.15 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: We are one year into The Outside as a business.
  • Tim: We started this [The Outside] saying, ‘We’ll give it two years and see how it goes and run some little experiments…’ We have landed four really significant, major, long-term pieces of work. Two in Europe, one in Canada and one in the United States.
  • At the end of this calendar year, I hope our calendars give us just enough of a breather to stop and be like: Where are we at? Where did we come from? and Where are we going?
  • Tues: Okay, questions for us on our one year:
  1. What are one or two highlights from the first year of The Outside?
  2. How has this launch year felt?
  3. What are you most looking forward to or trembling about?
  4. Favourite podcast from the year?
  5. What advice would you give yourself on this date last year?
  • Tim: Genuinely wake up everyday with a feeling of tiredness and excitement.
  • Tues: I feel like I am changing shape - getting bigger, wider and deeper.
  • Tim: How do we structure the business? How do we not become a big studio? How do we really stay nimble, adaptive and network-based? Pulling together teams of outrageously competent and brilliant people. What’s just enough structure to hold that?
  • Getting a sense of what it means to be “Outsiders” beyond just you and me. Trembling at the scale and speed at which we are growing. Looking forward to determining our organizational structure. Excited for the building of this thing.
  • Tues: Trembling at the pace and travel of this work but the work is exciting. 
  • Tim: A core principal of The Outside was around family. We’re having to figure this out and continue to make part of our organizational design.
  • Tues: We have to hold each other in the overwhelm of things to do and share that but we also have a tendency towards excitement. Then we have to be like “wait a second; hold on.” Both of us have to do that for each other. 
  • My favourite thing about this podcast is that it gives us time to reflect together out loud. Time to understand my own knowing about what’s happening and to share that with you in a really ongoing way. 
  • Tim: Eat well! Sleep well! Enjoy your children!
  • Tues: Relax. You won’t have it all figured out but you will have just enough figured out to go forward.


Poem of the day: Won’t You Celebrate With Me by Lucille Clifton


Won’t You Celebrate With Me

won't you celebrate with me

what i have shaped into

a kind of life? i had no model.

born in babylon

both nonwhite and woman

what did i see to be except myself?

i made it up

here on this bridge between

starshine and clay,

my one hand holding tight

my other hand; come celebrate

with me that everyday

something has tried to kill me

and has failed.


Song: “Functions On The Low” by Rough Sqwad


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 32:17

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode fifteen, Tim & Tuesday share insights on their many rapid-pace leaps and lessons over the last year. The Outside’s team, delivery, story, and facilitation is a constant iteration.



1.15 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: We are one year into The Outside as a business.
  • Tim: We started this [The Outside] saying, ‘We’ll give it two years and see how it goes and run some little experiments…’ We have landed four really significant, major, long-term pieces of work. Two in Europe, one in Canada and one in the United States.
  • At the end of this calendar year, I hope our calendars give us just enough of a breather to stop and be like: Where are we at? Where did we come from? and Where are we going?
  • Tues: Okay, questions for us on our one year:
  1. What are one or two highlights from the first year of The Outside?
  2. How has this launch year felt?
  3. What are you most looking forward to or trembling about?
  4. Favourite podcast from the year?
  5. What advice would you give yourself on this date last year?
  • Tim: Genuinely wake up everyday with a feeling of tiredness and excitement.
  • Tues: I feel like I am changing shape - getting bigger, wider and deeper.
  • Tim: How do we structure the business? How do we not become a big studio? How do we really stay nimble, adaptive and network-based? Pulling together teams of outrageously competent and brilliant people. What’s just enough structure to hold that?
  • Getting a sense of what it means to be “Outsiders” beyond just you and me. Trembling at the scale and speed at which we are growing. Looking forward to determining our organizational structure. Excited for the building of this thing.
  • Tues: Trembling at the pace and travel of this work but the work is exciting. 
  • Tim: A core principal of The Outside was around family. We’re having to figure this out and continue to make part of our organizational design.
  • Tues: We have to hold each other in the overwhelm of things to do and share that but we also have a tendency towards excitement. Then we have to be like “wait a second; hold on.” Both of us have to do that for each other. 
  • My favourite thing about this podcast is that it gives us time to reflect together out loud. Time to understand my own knowing about what’s happening and to share that with you in a really ongoing way. 
  • Tim: Eat well! Sleep well! Enjoy your children!
  • Tues: Relax. You won’t have it all figured out but you will have just enough figured out to go forward.


Poem of the day: Won’t You Celebrate With Me by Lucille Clifton


Won’t You Celebrate With Me

won't you celebrate with me

what i have shaped into

a kind of life? i had no model.

born in babylon

both nonwhite and woman

what did i see to be except myself?

i made it up

here on this bridge between

starshine and clay,

my one hand holding tight

my other hand; come celebrate

with me that everyday

something has tried to kill me

and has failed.


Song: “Functions On The Low” by Rough Sqwad


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 32:17

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 1.14: Togetherness: Challenging our thinking as change facilitators to level-up the possibility in the room 1.14: Togetherness: Challenging our thinking as change facilitators to level-up the possibility in the room Tue, 19 Mar 2019 09:00:09 GMT 45:27 5c8be1ff95f2bd5f27734e3a true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5c8be1ff95f2bd5f27734e3a 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 114-togetherness When we intentionally practice what it means to be together, we increase the possibility of levelling-up. In episode fourteen, Gibrán Rivera joins us for a conversation about how to co-create the space to tackle insurmountable problems. full 1 14 When we intentionally practice what it means to be together, we increase the possibility of levelling-up. In episode fourteen, Gibrán Rivera joins us for a conversation about how to co-create the space to tackle insurmountable problems.



1.14 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: Today we’re talking to one of my favourite people in the world, Gibrán Rivera, a facilitator also working in systems change. Gibrán is an internationally renowned master facilitator who has devoted his life to the development of leaders and organizational transformation.
  • Gibrán: My great friend (RIP), Jake Brewer, said to me “our only known response to increasing complexity is exhilaration.” All we know how to do is go faster. As we go faster, we do less of what matters. I’m interested in a different response because complexity will keep increasing regardless. We’ve reached the upper threshold of exhilaration. What I’m interested in is what is an evolutionary response to this moment. How do we learn to be in this together better? 
  • Tues: Can you talk about this ‘leap’ that you can see us making?
  • Gibrán: Is this going to be our evolutionary crash or our evolutionary leap? The only way to meet this moment is a leap. Linear action is doomed. We need to literally leap. I want to orient my work, my life and my spirit around that possibility. That’s what I am talking about.
  • Tim: There is some undefinable confidence in the face of what looks like catastrophe. We’ve defined this at the heart of The Outside - there is always a way.
  • Gibrán: If we can make order out of VUCA—volatility, uncertainty, complexity, ambiguity— we may make things feel more “normal” or stable, but we will be projecting a confidence not based on truth.
  • Gibrán: I feel like there is a wakefulness, a part of us that knows what is true in each of us. I think looking at someone like that’s true. Interacting with someone like they know what they know, they are capable of what they are capable of. It’s integral. See people’s greatness.
  • Tues: That brings up two things for me: 1) the charismatic facilitator and how we’re often made the maker of miracles; and 2) the quality of courage.
  • Gibrán: Important for all of us to become aware of how much we bring to the spaces we’re in by cultivating that in ourselves - wellness or steadiness. It impacts our space. 
  • Tim: What happens when facilitators are not in the room anymore? When it’s back to work? There’s an attachment that facilitators have to epiphany.
  • Gibrán: I am familiar with a discourse that warns against charisma because we know it can lead people astray. I think about my work as helping nurture a state experience of being together. I believe that as we become familiar with what it feels like to be together, then we can become more masterful, we can create more ease in entering those states of being together.
  • Tim: We often talk about referential experiences—we know we can do it because we’ve did this. They illuminate possible futures.
  • Gibrán: When we talk about the evolutionary leap, two things are integral: 1) Pattern of a web or network - connection is alive as any of us are. 2) Sense of self is decentralized. We need to ask: “What is the thing that I am cultivating?” “What is the seed that I am holding?” “What is the wisdom and the prayer I will transmit to my descendants, to my next generation?” Human-to-human in a world that we know is coming up against some real serious suffering. That is my orientation.


Poem of the day: Everywhere by Hafiz


Everywhere


Running

Through the streets

Screaming,


Throwing rocks through windows,

Using my own head to ring

Great bells,

Pulling out my hair,

Tearing off my clothes,

Tying everything I own

To a stick,

And setting it on

Fire.


What else can Hafiz do tonight

To celebrate the madness,

The joy,


Of seeing God

Everywhere!


Song of the day: El Farsante (Remix) by Ozuna · Romeo Santos


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 45: 28

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

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]]> When we intentionally practice what it means to be together, we increase the possibility of levelling-up. In episode fourteen, Gibrán Rivera joins us for a conversation about how to co-create the space to tackle insurmountable problems.



1.14 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: Today we’re talking to one of my favourite people in the world, Gibrán Rivera, a facilitator also working in systems change. Gibrán is an internationally renowned master facilitator who has devoted his life to the development of leaders and organizational transformation.
  • Gibrán: My great friend (RIP), Jake Brewer, said to me “our only known response to increasing complexity is exhilaration.” All we know how to do is go faster. As we go faster, we do less of what matters. I’m interested in a different response because complexity will keep increasing regardless. We’ve reached the upper threshold of exhilaration. What I’m interested in is what is an evolutionary response to this moment. How do we learn to be in this together better? 
  • Tues: Can you talk about this ‘leap’ that you can see us making?
  • Gibrán: Is this going to be our evolutionary crash or our evolutionary leap? The only way to meet this moment is a leap. Linear action is doomed. We need to literally leap. I want to orient my work, my life and my spirit around that possibility. That’s what I am talking about.
  • Tim: There is some undefinable confidence in the face of what looks like catastrophe. We’ve defined this at the heart of The Outside - there is always a way.
  • Gibrán: If we can make order out of VUCA—volatility, uncertainty, complexity, ambiguity— we may make things feel more “normal” or stable, but we will be projecting a confidence not based on truth.
  • Gibrán: I feel like there is a wakefulness, a part of us that knows what is true in each of us. I think looking at someone like that’s true. Interacting with someone like they know what they know, they are capable of what they are capable of. It’s integral. See people’s greatness.
  • Tues: That brings up two things for me: 1) the charismatic facilitator and how we’re often made the maker of miracles; and 2) the quality of courage.
  • Gibrán: Important for all of us to become aware of how much we bring to the spaces we’re in by cultivating that in ourselves - wellness or steadiness. It impacts our space. 
  • Tim: What happens when facilitators are not in the room anymore? When it’s back to work? There’s an attachment that facilitators have to epiphany.
  • Gibrán: I am familiar with a discourse that warns against charisma because we know it can lead people astray. I think about my work as helping nurture a state experience of being together. I believe that as we become familiar with what it feels like to be together, then we can become more masterful, we can create more ease in entering those states of being together.
  • Tim: We often talk about referential experiences—we know we can do it because we’ve did this. They illuminate possible futures.
  • Gibrán: When we talk about the evolutionary leap, two things are integral: 1) Pattern of a web or network - connection is alive as any of us are. 2) Sense of self is decentralized. We need to ask: “What is the thing that I am cultivating?” “What is the seed that I am holding?” “What is the wisdom and the prayer I will transmit to my descendants, to my next generation?” Human-to-human in a world that we know is coming up against some real serious suffering. That is my orientation.


Poem of the day: Everywhere by Hafiz


Everywhere


Running

Through the streets

Screaming,


Throwing rocks through windows,

Using my own head to ring

Great bells,

Pulling out my hair,

Tearing off my clothes,

Tying everything I own

To a stick,

And setting it on

Fire.


What else can Hafiz do tonight

To celebrate the madness,

The joy,


Of seeing God

Everywhere!


Song of the day: El Farsante (Remix) by Ozuna · Romeo Santos


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 45: 28

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

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]]> <![CDATA[1.13: Ancestors II: Examining yesterday's actions to understand today's reality ]]> Tue, 05 Mar 2019 10:00:18 GMT 39:53 5c797ad809e215fd7b5274dd true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5c797ad809e215fd7b5274dd 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 113-ancestors-ii In episode thirteen, Tim and Tuesday continue their conversation around history, impact, and our world — since context fundamentally alters how we relate to each other in the work of change, we delve in. full 1 13 In episode thirteen, Tim and Tuesday continue their conversation around history, impact, and our world — since context fundamentally alters how we relate to each other in the work of change, we delve in.



1.13 —— SHOW NOTES


Tim: Vulnerability is about revealing something of yourself, which invites others to do the same. 


Tues: Vulnerability feels like something we, as a people, are seeking and need to search out. This podcast is on-air vulnerability; it’s a way of walking our talk. Brené Brown does incredible work around vulnerability for those listening who are interested.


Tues: On both sides of my family, not one of us had wealth or resources or access to power. That’s why, in some ways, I can look back on my lineage and feel unafraid and only pride.


Tim: When I think of my ancestors, it’s coming from a place of “Who bares the blame?”


Questions from Tim:

1. What is the source of pride and awe?

2. What do you mean by the legacy of brutality?

3. What is it like to have no written history/context?


Tues: Pride and awe comes from understanding our survivorship and the enslavement of my people—what it took to physically survive being taken from our lands and stacked like wood in the bottom of ships. That legacy of treatment and building the economy of North America on our backs continues today.


Tues: You can look up forever the impact of generational trauma and enslavement on Black parenting. When you are brutalized, you in turn, brutalize others. Then there’s also the brilliance of a diamond being crushed so hard which can also make you shine, at least in my experience.


Tues: A lot of black folks in this country have done a lot of work to refine and reclaim their roots. I have not done that work. It’s a big, gaping wound. A big part of my practice is actively reclaiming the land I am on. My only ancestry are enslaved people. There’s a huge loss in not knowing what came before.


Tim: Do you ever feel your ancestors? 


Tues: Yes, 100%. That pride, awe and understanding is automatically accessible to me. That is something about feeing it in my blood. I think about myself as the culmination and not an obligation to them. I am in this life to dance and be joyful, and make change.


Tues: I want to leave listeners aware of my huge amounts of gratitude and I hope that that infuses my work and our work. And I hope I can stand strong in that.


Poem: W.S. Merwin, "Thanks" from Migration: New and Selected Poems


Listen

with the night falling we are saying thank you

we are stopping on the bridges to bow from the railings

we are running out of the glass rooms

with our mouths full of food to look at the sky

and say thank you

we are standing by the water thanking it

standing by the windows looking out

in our directions

back from a series of hospitals back from a mugging

after funerals we are saying thank you

after the news of the dead

whether or not we knew them we are saying thank you

over telephones we are saying thank you

in doorways and in the backs of cars and in elevators

remembering wars and the police at the door

and the beatings on stairs we are saying thank you

in the banks we are saying thank you

in the faces of the officials and the rich

and of all who will never change

we go on saying thank you thank you

with the animals dying around us

taking our feelings we are saying thank you

with the forests falling faster than the minutes

of our lives we are saying thank you

with the words going out like cells of a brain

with the cities growing over us

we are saying thank you faster and faster

with nobody listening we are saying thank you

thank you we are saying and waving

dark though it is


Song: “Family of Aliens” by Teleman


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 39:53

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode thirteen, Tim and Tuesday continue their conversation around history, impact, and our world — since context fundamentally alters how we relate to each other in the work of change, we delve in.



1.13 —— SHOW NOTES


Tim: Vulnerability is about revealing something of yourself, which invites others to do the same. 


Tues: Vulnerability feels like something we, as a people, are seeking and need to search out. This podcast is on-air vulnerability; it’s a way of walking our talk. Brené Brown does incredible work around vulnerability for those listening who are interested.


Tues: On both sides of my family, not one of us had wealth or resources or access to power. That’s why, in some ways, I can look back on my lineage and feel unafraid and only pride.


Tim: When I think of my ancestors, it’s coming from a place of “Who bares the blame?”


Questions from Tim:

1. What is the source of pride and awe?

2. What do you mean by the legacy of brutality?

3. What is it like to have no written history/context?


Tues: Pride and awe comes from understanding our survivorship and the enslavement of my people—what it took to physically survive being taken from our lands and stacked like wood in the bottom of ships. That legacy of treatment and building the economy of North America on our backs continues today.


Tues: You can look up forever the impact of generational trauma and enslavement on Black parenting. When you are brutalized, you in turn, brutalize others. Then there’s also the brilliance of a diamond being crushed so hard which can also make you shine, at least in my experience.


Tues: A lot of black folks in this country have done a lot of work to refine and reclaim their roots. I have not done that work. It’s a big, gaping wound. A big part of my practice is actively reclaiming the land I am on. My only ancestry are enslaved people. There’s a huge loss in not knowing what came before.


Tim: Do you ever feel your ancestors? 


Tues: Yes, 100%. That pride, awe and understanding is automatically accessible to me. That is something about feeing it in my blood. I think about myself as the culmination and not an obligation to them. I am in this life to dance and be joyful, and make change.


Tues: I want to leave listeners aware of my huge amounts of gratitude and I hope that that infuses my work and our work. And I hope I can stand strong in that.


Poem: W.S. Merwin, "Thanks" from Migration: New and Selected Poems


Listen

with the night falling we are saying thank you

we are stopping on the bridges to bow from the railings

we are running out of the glass rooms

with our mouths full of food to look at the sky

and say thank you

we are standing by the water thanking it

standing by the windows looking out

in our directions

back from a series of hospitals back from a mugging

after funerals we are saying thank you

after the news of the dead

whether or not we knew them we are saying thank you

over telephones we are saying thank you

in doorways and in the backs of cars and in elevators

remembering wars and the police at the door

and the beatings on stairs we are saying thank you

in the banks we are saying thank you

in the faces of the officials and the rich

and of all who will never change

we go on saying thank you thank you

with the animals dying around us

taking our feelings we are saying thank you

with the forests falling faster than the minutes

of our lives we are saying thank you

with the words going out like cells of a brain

with the cities growing over us

we are saying thank you faster and faster

with nobody listening we are saying thank you

thank you we are saying and waving

dark though it is


Song: “Family of Aliens” by Teleman


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 39:53

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> <![CDATA[1:12: Ancestors I: Examining yesterday's actions to understand today's reality]]> Tue, 19 Feb 2019 10:00:57 GMT 38:24 5c6b58c2c594590e5a773ea6 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5c6b58c2c594590e5a773ea6 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 112-ancestors-i In episode twelve, Tim and Tuesday talk about how we honour and interpret our ancestors’ actions, roles, and impacts — think reverberations of colonialism and class — to grasp the underpinnings of our current world. full 1 12 In episode twelve, Tim and Tuesday talk about how we honour and interpret our ancestors’ actions, roles, and impacts — think reverberations of colonialism and class — to grasp the underpinnings of our current world.


1.12 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tim: I’ve been doing a lot of work around what it means to have been raised and educated within my class. I realized the need to own the impacts of my ancestry on me and my life, my brother, my sister, parents and friends. This provided a new invitation to see it and take it in—not only how I’m often approached which is colonizer-based. 
  • Tues: We are talking about ancestors on two levels: our direct ancestors and their impact on our families and ancestors at large (our people and their impacts). That’s not always a straight line. 
  • Tim: We are already ancestors by virtue of being alive. We need to begin to think of ourselves as ancestors.
  • Tues: For me it’s the whole view that says, ‘can I soften my heart to let in that whole view; while very much holding that right now our pasts, our presents and our future is absolutely impacted by our positioning related to that colonialism.’
  • Tim: This is about analyzing our own society with the same rigor we apply to other areas of our society. What is the emotional and psychological state of the people in senior leadership positions? How is that playing out?
  • Tues: The systems aren’t broken. They are doing what they were designed to do.
  • Tim: This ends with how I raise my own children. The power to change is in my house. And something else also starts here, which is what so much of our work and friendship is—the ability to be in whatever happens next and knowing what has come before.


POEM: ‘The Boxer’ by Tim Merry


They abandoned me

They should have been there

I was left

Bereft

Alone

Curled up under a duvet cover from home

Wishing to not be seen

Heart beating, scared

“Why did you leave me here?”

Fear 

Pulsing

Red, jagged and spiralling 

From solar plexus out

Running frantic energy through my body

All the way to my fingers and toes

But nowhere to run, nobody I know

To run to

“Where were you?”

This was meant to be grand adventure

Not trauma

Not weeping at 43

Only feeling me

When the tears flow

Hand on heart

We never should have been apart

Our family

You and me

In the empty space

Stepped the boxer, braced

For any attack

Come one, come all

I am ready, poised, watchful

Weaving

Fists up, back to the wall, there is no leaving

Sadness turned to anger

Reading to explode

Unload

When things get beyond control

Protecting my soul

When you did not

I surrounded myself with a team of defenders

Boxer

Charmer

Actor

Fixer

Worker

Joker

Lover

Anger

Server

Connector

All to keep the world at bay

Because it was not safe 

To come out and play

Now slowly I am peeping out

My blurry eyed head

Over parapet walls

There is me 

Looking in

To the place I protected

Where I am not longer connected 

Meeting eye to eye

Starting to cry

More tears to flow

More of myself to know

If I dare go slow

With the flow

Of what the wisdom of my psyche

Is unveiling to me now

At 43

I am coming back home, to me


Song of the day: Oppression, Ben Harper


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 38:24

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode twelve, Tim and Tuesday talk about how we honour and interpret our ancestors’ actions, roles, and impacts — think reverberations of colonialism and class — to grasp the underpinnings of our current world.


1.12 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tim: I’ve been doing a lot of work around what it means to have been raised and educated within my class. I realized the need to own the impacts of my ancestry on me and my life, my brother, my sister, parents and friends. This provided a new invitation to see it and take it in—not only how I’m often approached which is colonizer-based. 
  • Tues: We are talking about ancestors on two levels: our direct ancestors and their impact on our families and ancestors at large (our people and their impacts). That’s not always a straight line. 
  • Tim: We are already ancestors by virtue of being alive. We need to begin to think of ourselves as ancestors.
  • Tues: For me it’s the whole view that says, ‘can I soften my heart to let in that whole view; while very much holding that right now our pasts, our presents and our future is absolutely impacted by our positioning related to that colonialism.’
  • Tim: This is about analyzing our own society with the same rigor we apply to other areas of our society. What is the emotional and psychological state of the people in senior leadership positions? How is that playing out?
  • Tues: The systems aren’t broken. They are doing what they were designed to do.
  • Tim: This ends with how I raise my own children. The power to change is in my house. And something else also starts here, which is what so much of our work and friendship is—the ability to be in whatever happens next and knowing what has come before.


POEM: ‘The Boxer’ by Tim Merry


They abandoned me

They should have been there

I was left

Bereft

Alone

Curled up under a duvet cover from home

Wishing to not be seen

Heart beating, scared

“Why did you leave me here?”

Fear 

Pulsing

Red, jagged and spiralling 

From solar plexus out

Running frantic energy through my body

All the way to my fingers and toes

But nowhere to run, nobody I know

To run to

“Where were you?”

This was meant to be grand adventure

Not trauma

Not weeping at 43

Only feeling me

When the tears flow

Hand on heart

We never should have been apart

Our family

You and me

In the empty space

Stepped the boxer, braced

For any attack

Come one, come all

I am ready, poised, watchful

Weaving

Fists up, back to the wall, there is no leaving

Sadness turned to anger

Reading to explode

Unload

When things get beyond control

Protecting my soul

When you did not

I surrounded myself with a team of defenders

Boxer

Charmer

Actor

Fixer

Worker

Joker

Lover

Anger

Server

Connector

All to keep the world at bay

Because it was not safe 

To come out and play

Now slowly I am peeping out

My blurry eyed head

Over parapet walls

There is me 

Looking in

To the place I protected

Where I am not longer connected 

Meeting eye to eye

Starting to cry

More tears to flow

More of myself to know

If I dare go slow

With the flow

Of what the wisdom of my psyche

Is unveiling to me now

At 43

I am coming back home, to me


Song of the day: Oppression, Ben Harper


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 38:24

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 1.11: Sporting: Setting up to support winning, delight, and formative goodness 1.11: Sporting: Setting up to support winning, delight, and formative goodness Tue, 05 Feb 2019 10:00:37 GMT 30:35 5c589aee10b6809a40c24858 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5c589aee10b6809a40c24858 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 111-sporting In episode eleven, Tim and Tuesday deconstruct the change journey of a piece of work that rings bells across the spectrum. Using sport as a container, what can the rest of us learn about breaking through to ‘win’? full 1 11 In episode eleven, Tim and Tuesday deconstruct the change journey of a piece of work that rings bells across the spectrum. Using sport as a container, what can the rest of us learn about breaking through to ‘win’?



1.11 — SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: This piece of work represents an intersection between our growing up, our current physical activity, and our work.
  • Tim and Tues reflect on their own connection to sport as a coping and processing mechanism, identity, and pathway out of poverty for many young people.
  • Tues: In this piece of work with Sport Nova Scotia (‘sport for social change’), we share the desire of helping more people experience the gift of sport—confidence and courage. In this collaboration, we’re figuring out how to re-engineer the system so more people can experience this.
  • Tim: How can the culture of sport be more accessible? How can we shift the economy and structure of it in terms of who it prioritizes (colour, race, ethnicity, how long your family has been in the province, who they know)? Accessibility is huge.
  • Tues: It’s a question common to all people seeking to collaborate for all kinds of change, beyond just sport: how much of our efforts simply make tweaks within a broken system? What’s stopping us from creating a completely new and equitable system from the ground up? As change facilitators, we work inside this tension all the time.
  • Tim: Keeping the doors open on the dominant system buys us time to create the new. Part of our hypothesis is that we need people who are helping the old system stay open, and help it die and help to detoxify it as much as we need people meeting the new. These are all change leadership roles.
  • Tues: Let’s be intentional because some of our efforts will be towards the old system. Our children, adults and seniors are in that old system now. Also, only choosing to look toward the new can leave a lot of people behind.


POEM: “Dark Testament: Verse 8” by Pauli Murray

Hope is a crushed stalk

Between clenched fingers

Hope is a bird’s wing

Broken by a stone.

Hope is a word in a tuneless ditty —

A word whispered with the wind,

A dream of forty acres and a mule,

A cabin of one’s own and a moment to rest,

A name and place for one’s children

And children’s children at last . . .

Hope is a song in a weary throat.

Give me a song of hope

And a world where I can sing it.

Give me a song of faith

And a people to believe in it.

Give me a song of kindliness

And a country where I can live it.

Give me a song of hope and love

And a brown girl’s heart to hear it.


SONG: “In My View” by Young Fathers


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 30:36

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: Source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode eleven, Tim and Tuesday deconstruct the change journey of a piece of work that rings bells across the spectrum. Using sport as a container, what can the rest of us learn about breaking through to ‘win’?



1.11 — SHOW NOTES


  • Tues: This piece of work represents an intersection between our growing up, our current physical activity, and our work.
  • Tim and Tues reflect on their own connection to sport as a coping and processing mechanism, identity, and pathway out of poverty for many young people.
  • Tues: In this piece of work with Sport Nova Scotia (‘sport for social change’), we share the desire of helping more people experience the gift of sport—confidence and courage. In this collaboration, we’re figuring out how to re-engineer the system so more people can experience this.
  • Tim: How can the culture of sport be more accessible? How can we shift the economy and structure of it in terms of who it prioritizes (colour, race, ethnicity, how long your family has been in the province, who they know)? Accessibility is huge.
  • Tues: It’s a question common to all people seeking to collaborate for all kinds of change, beyond just sport: how much of our efforts simply make tweaks within a broken system? What’s stopping us from creating a completely new and equitable system from the ground up? As change facilitators, we work inside this tension all the time.
  • Tim: Keeping the doors open on the dominant system buys us time to create the new. Part of our hypothesis is that we need people who are helping the old system stay open, and help it die and help to detoxify it as much as we need people meeting the new. These are all change leadership roles.
  • Tues: Let’s be intentional because some of our efforts will be towards the old system. Our children, adults and seniors are in that old system now. Also, only choosing to look toward the new can leave a lot of people behind.


POEM: “Dark Testament: Verse 8” by Pauli Murray

Hope is a crushed stalk

Between clenched fingers

Hope is a bird’s wing

Broken by a stone.

Hope is a word in a tuneless ditty —

A word whispered with the wind,

A dream of forty acres and a mule,

A cabin of one’s own and a moment to rest,

A name and place for one’s children

And children’s children at last . . .

Hope is a song in a weary throat.

Give me a song of hope

And a world where I can sing it.

Give me a song of faith

And a people to believe in it.

Give me a song of kindliness

And a country where I can live it.

Give me a song of hope and love

And a brown girl’s heart to hear it.


SONG: “In My View” by Young Fathers


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 30:36

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: Source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 1.10: Good Grief - How the insight of loss can combat cynicism and despair in leading change 1.10: Good Grief - How the insight of loss can combat cynicism and despair in leading change Tue, 22 Jan 2019 10:00:49 GMT 45:41 5c45c4a2efd38c9d5adf7606 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5c45c4a2efd38c9d5adf7606 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 110-good-grief In episode ten, Tim and Tuesday talk to author and collaborator Kate Inglis on the parallels of how we can be light-keepers despite impossible loss as human beings, and impossible odds as change leaders. full 1 10 In episode ten, Tim and Tuesday talk to author and collaborator Kate Inglis on the parallels of how we can be light-keepers despite impossible loss as human beings, and impossible odds as change leaders.


1.10 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Author and collaborator Kate Inglis reads a short excerpt from her new book Notes for the Everlost, reflecting on the randomness we confront when trauma or loss occurs in our lives. How does the shock of it all translate into wisdom for living?
  • The green light of finding meaning exactly where we are, as we are. How this drives change and banishes cynicism. When problems—grief, trauma, challenges—feel too big, we can feel too small to have an effect. All we can do is recognize how precious all our efforts are—even in small ways. The inherent value of life is in the trying.
  • Tim paraphrases a quote by Thomas Merton - ‘forgo all hope of results.’ Surrender and get to the real work, and build relationships that sustain your ability to be in the work. The arc of change is long, flowing over multiple generations—and we stand on the shoulders of multiple generations of change leaders.
  • Tuesday: The future we won’t realize, but that we work towards. Very present in the indigenous and black community: We may not bear the fruits now, but we plant them now.
  • “I am the hope and the dream of the slave.” — Maya Angelou
  • ”The arc of history is long but it bends towards justice.” —MLK
  • Kate reflects on nihilism as a freeing mindset, especially in regards to systems change work: “We think we know what the results need to be, but we don’t. My take on nihilism isn’t so much ‘nothing matters’, but ‘so what’—how do we move forward if everything is dust? How do we want to conduct ourselves in our lives to drop seeds? We make a difference by trying.”
  • Tuesday: Our structures say, What did you get done in six months? We constantly need to quantify our results. We are in structures that do not tolerate anything other than immediate impact. We can shift our mindset, but we are in structures that will not support that mindset.
  • Kate: In my writing about grief, I talk a lot about normalizing where you are—even in despair, we are where we need to be. The same goes for those moments of despair in our work. It’s normal to feel blocked. The trick is, how do we keep trying when we are in that despairing space?
  • Tim: The role of faith—not religious faith, but the faith to leap despite uncertainty, dysfunction of dominant systems, persistent failures, or the collapse of relationships. In that moment, do we retreat, to protect what matters (turf protection), or when everything’s gone crazy, is it faith that helps us muster up a more movement-enabling response? Leaping into the void is our job. How can we better sell that leap to the dominant system? And how do we evaluate the success of that leap?
  • Tuesday: I just realized why we like working with Kate—you work in the emergent at a cellular level. You speak to it and language it in a really unique way.
  • Tim recommends checking out the seminal piece that Kate helped us write: The Big Bang of Equity + Systems Change. Representing a collaborative effort to find new language to put down the root system of The Outside. This new language we have found positions us differently. Global organizations have reached out to us now because of how we show up, and we’re only six months old. And we’ve been doing this work for many years.
  • Kate: I was the Outsider. I am an ally and a cheerleader, but I am not in the work you’re doing. I am not connected to what you are connected to. I’m an island. In other organizations I’ve worked with, I’ve seen a paralysis of enthusiasm—everyone echoing each other but ultimately saying nothing meaningful to anyone outside that circle. But you’re so immersed, you can’t understand anyone being deaf to it. My job, as a writer, is to be an outsider. I don’t want to be immersed. I need the words I surface to bring in people who aren’t already bought-in. You’ve got to resonate to someone who really doesn’t get it. The words that feel comfortable to you, as the organization, are not enough.
  • Tuesday: Our field is known for being a bit woo-woo. How do we bridge between what is deeply emergent, evocative, experiential work and make it possible for people who haven’t yet been in the work with us get it?
  • Kate: Question the pull towards what feels like ‘authoritative’ language. What you think you need to sound like. What you think ‘success’ sounds like. When you get go of the façade of knowing everything as a brand or organization, you start edging towards your team’s human voice.
  • Tim: A professional presentation and story imbues what you’re doing with trust. They need to see the humanity behind your work, and only presenting well can deliver the clarity that sets up that humanity.
  • Kate: We need to balance the presentation of radical competence with the presence of heart.
  • Kate reads another short book excerpt on the metaphor of photographic composition—how white space makes room for clarity in our personal life stories as much as our movements.
  • Song of the day: Get Up, Stand Up by Bob Marley


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 45:41

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: Kate Inglis

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode ten, Tim and Tuesday talk to author and collaborator Kate Inglis on the parallels of how we can be light-keepers despite impossible loss as human beings, and impossible odds as change leaders.


1.10 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Author and collaborator Kate Inglis reads a short excerpt from her new book Notes for the Everlost, reflecting on the randomness we confront when trauma or loss occurs in our lives. How does the shock of it all translate into wisdom for living?
  • The green light of finding meaning exactly where we are, as we are. How this drives change and banishes cynicism. When problems—grief, trauma, challenges—feel too big, we can feel too small to have an effect. All we can do is recognize how precious all our efforts are—even in small ways. The inherent value of life is in the trying.
  • Tim paraphrases a quote by Thomas Merton - ‘forgo all hope of results.’ Surrender and get to the real work, and build relationships that sustain your ability to be in the work. The arc of change is long, flowing over multiple generations—and we stand on the shoulders of multiple generations of change leaders.
  • Tuesday: The future we won’t realize, but that we work towards. Very present in the indigenous and black community: We may not bear the fruits now, but we plant them now.
  • “I am the hope and the dream of the slave.” — Maya Angelou
  • ”The arc of history is long but it bends towards justice.” —MLK
  • Kate reflects on nihilism as a freeing mindset, especially in regards to systems change work: “We think we know what the results need to be, but we don’t. My take on nihilism isn’t so much ‘nothing matters’, but ‘so what’—how do we move forward if everything is dust? How do we want to conduct ourselves in our lives to drop seeds? We make a difference by trying.”
  • Tuesday: Our structures say, What did you get done in six months? We constantly need to quantify our results. We are in structures that do not tolerate anything other than immediate impact. We can shift our mindset, but we are in structures that will not support that mindset.
  • Kate: In my writing about grief, I talk a lot about normalizing where you are—even in despair, we are where we need to be. The same goes for those moments of despair in our work. It’s normal to feel blocked. The trick is, how do we keep trying when we are in that despairing space?
  • Tim: The role of faith—not religious faith, but the faith to leap despite uncertainty, dysfunction of dominant systems, persistent failures, or the collapse of relationships. In that moment, do we retreat, to protect what matters (turf protection), or when everything’s gone crazy, is it faith that helps us muster up a more movement-enabling response? Leaping into the void is our job. How can we better sell that leap to the dominant system? And how do we evaluate the success of that leap?
  • Tuesday: I just realized why we like working with Kate—you work in the emergent at a cellular level. You speak to it and language it in a really unique way.
  • Tim recommends checking out the seminal piece that Kate helped us write: The Big Bang of Equity + Systems Change. Representing a collaborative effort to find new language to put down the root system of The Outside. This new language we have found positions us differently. Global organizations have reached out to us now because of how we show up, and we’re only six months old. And we’ve been doing this work for many years.
  • Kate: I was the Outsider. I am an ally and a cheerleader, but I am not in the work you’re doing. I am not connected to what you are connected to. I’m an island. In other organizations I’ve worked with, I’ve seen a paralysis of enthusiasm—everyone echoing each other but ultimately saying nothing meaningful to anyone outside that circle. But you’re so immersed, you can’t understand anyone being deaf to it. My job, as a writer, is to be an outsider. I don’t want to be immersed. I need the words I surface to bring in people who aren’t already bought-in. You’ve got to resonate to someone who really doesn’t get it. The words that feel comfortable to you, as the organization, are not enough.
  • Tuesday: Our field is known for being a bit woo-woo. How do we bridge between what is deeply emergent, evocative, experiential work and make it possible for people who haven’t yet been in the work with us get it?
  • Kate: Question the pull towards what feels like ‘authoritative’ language. What you think you need to sound like. What you think ‘success’ sounds like. When you get go of the façade of knowing everything as a brand or organization, you start edging towards your team’s human voice.
  • Tim: A professional presentation and story imbues what you’re doing with trust. They need to see the humanity behind your work, and only presenting well can deliver the clarity that sets up that humanity.
  • Kate: We need to balance the presentation of radical competence with the presence of heart.
  • Kate reads another short book excerpt on the metaphor of photographic composition—how white space makes room for clarity in our personal life stories as much as our movements.
  • Song of the day: Get Up, Stand Up by Bob Marley


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 45:41

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: Kate Inglis

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 1.09: Polarity - How to build bridges for action and capacity through listening 1.09: Polarity - How to build bridges for action and capacity through listening Tue, 08 Jan 2019 10:00:26 GMT 29:35 5c2f7f72a1a7c45045a696ed true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5c2f7f72a1a7c45045a696ed 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 109-polarity In episode nine, Tim and Tuesday dig into the reflex to act without pausing to consider the schisms at-play — and illuminate how and why we retreat from difficulty (and from each other). full 1 9 In episode nine, Tim and Tuesday dig into the reflex to act without pausing to consider the schisms at-play — and illuminate how and why we retreat from difficulty (and from each other).


1.09 —— SHOW NOTES

  • Tues: Tend to be a person who really likes “this” and “that” even when they are seemingly opposites and it’s very true around my whole personality. Attribute to being a bi-racial person. If you are a black and white person you live inside that polarity.
  • Tim: The world is becoming more unpredictable and uncertain, the speed of change is incredibly rapid, information saturation, economic/social/environmental uncertainty… in that context, it’s quite easy to duck for cover and want simple answers.
  • Tim: The polarization of our societies and communities is a highly ineffectual way to actually deal with our reality. The only way we’re going to be able to navigate these problems that are so pervasive is by reaching out to one another to figure it out together.
  • Tues: What can experts (neuroscientists, psychologists, sociologists, behaviourists, facilitators, marketers, politicians) bring—what they know about human beings and human behaviours—to bear into something bigger?
  • Tim: When I look at leadership on a national and international level, feel there is a real lack of statespeople. Where is the compelling, unifying voice? Where is the person who can stand up in the face of so much insanity and create some level of rallying cry for people to gather around that has some sanity around it?
  • Tim: Polarization points me to the fact that we are just not listening to one another. If we were listing to one another we’d become less polarized. My desire is to act—how do we do something? What is the intervention we need to make? How do we build bridges?
  • Tues: Bringing us back to our work—that is why listening exercises are so important. Listening to understand the other person / see the other person is a real skill. It takes intention. It shifts everything.


SONG: ‘Come Together’ by Michael Jackson


POEM: 'The Listeners' by Walter de la Mare


‘Is there anybody there?’ said the Traveller,

Knocking on the moonlit door;

And his horse in the silence champed the grasses

Of the forest’s ferny floor:

And a bird flew up out of the turret,

Above the Traveller’s head:

And he smote upon the door again a second time;

‘Is there anybody there?’ he said.

But no one descended to the Traveller;

No head from the leaf-fringed sill

Leaned over and looked into his grey eyes,

Where he stood perplexed and still.

But only a host of phantom listeners

That dwelt in the lone house then

Stood listening in the quiet of the moonlight

To that voice from the world of men:

Stood thronging the faint moonbeams on the dark stair,

That goes down to the empty hall,

Hearkening in an air stirred and shaken

By the lonely Traveller’s call.

And he felt in his heart their strangeness,

Their stillness answering his cry,

While his horse moved, cropping the dark turf,

’Neath the starred and leafy sky;

For he suddenly smote on the door, even

Louder, and lifted his head:—

‘Tell them I came, and no one answered,

That I kept my word,’ he said.

Never the least stir made the listeners,

Though every word he spake

Fell echoing through the shadowiness of the still house

From the one man left awake:

Ay, they heard his foot upon the stirrup,

And the sound of iron on stone,

And how the silence surged softly backward,

When the plunging hoofs were gone.


Source: The Collected Poems of Walter de la Mare (1979)


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 29:35

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode nine, Tim and Tuesday dig into the reflex to act without pausing to consider the schisms at-play — and illuminate how and why we retreat from difficulty (and from each other).


1.09 —— SHOW NOTES

  • Tues: Tend to be a person who really likes “this” and “that” even when they are seemingly opposites and it’s very true around my whole personality. Attribute to being a bi-racial person. If you are a black and white person you live inside that polarity.
  • Tim: The world is becoming more unpredictable and uncertain, the speed of change is incredibly rapid, information saturation, economic/social/environmental uncertainty… in that context, it’s quite easy to duck for cover and want simple answers.
  • Tim: The polarization of our societies and communities is a highly ineffectual way to actually deal with our reality. The only way we’re going to be able to navigate these problems that are so pervasive is by reaching out to one another to figure it out together.
  • Tues: What can experts (neuroscientists, psychologists, sociologists, behaviourists, facilitators, marketers, politicians) bring—what they know about human beings and human behaviours—to bear into something bigger?
  • Tim: When I look at leadership on a national and international level, feel there is a real lack of statespeople. Where is the compelling, unifying voice? Where is the person who can stand up in the face of so much insanity and create some level of rallying cry for people to gather around that has some sanity around it?
  • Tim: Polarization points me to the fact that we are just not listening to one another. If we were listing to one another we’d become less polarized. My desire is to act—how do we do something? What is the intervention we need to make? How do we build bridges?
  • Tues: Bringing us back to our work—that is why listening exercises are so important. Listening to understand the other person / see the other person is a real skill. It takes intention. It shifts everything.


SONG: ‘Come Together’ by Michael Jackson


POEM: 'The Listeners' by Walter de la Mare


‘Is there anybody there?’ said the Traveller,

Knocking on the moonlit door;

And his horse in the silence champed the grasses

Of the forest’s ferny floor:

And a bird flew up out of the turret,

Above the Traveller’s head:

And he smote upon the door again a second time;

‘Is there anybody there?’ he said.

But no one descended to the Traveller;

No head from the leaf-fringed sill

Leaned over and looked into his grey eyes,

Where he stood perplexed and still.

But only a host of phantom listeners

That dwelt in the lone house then

Stood listening in the quiet of the moonlight

To that voice from the world of men:

Stood thronging the faint moonbeams on the dark stair,

That goes down to the empty hall,

Hearkening in an air stirred and shaken

By the lonely Traveller’s call.

And he felt in his heart their strangeness,

Their stillness answering his cry,

While his horse moved, cropping the dark turf,

’Neath the starred and leafy sky;

For he suddenly smote on the door, even

Louder, and lifted his head:—

‘Tell them I came, and no one answered,

That I kept my word,’ he said.

Never the least stir made the listeners,

Though every word he spake

Fell echoing through the shadowiness of the still house

From the one man left awake:

Ay, they heard his foot upon the stirrup,

And the sound of iron on stone,

And how the silence surged softly backward,

When the plunging hoofs were gone.


Source: The Collected Poems of Walter de la Mare (1979)


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 29:35

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 1.08: Depth: How to stage the room for healing, momentum, and serious progress 1.08: Depth: How to stage the room for healing, momentum, and serious progress Tue, 11 Dec 2018 10:00:06 GMT 45:45 5c09452ff63eb3e06999b774 true http://findtheoutside.com/podcast 5c09452ff63eb3e06999b774 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 108-depth In episode eight, Tim and Tuesday empathize with facilitators and collaborators separated by organizational difference or mandates — and explore how to go deep and draw out the greatest value. full 1 8 In episode eight, Tim and Tuesday empathize with facilitators and collaborators separated by organizational difference or mandates — and explore how to go deep and draw out the greatest value.


1.08 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Recent favourite binge-worthy shows: The Good Place and Occupied.
  • When we set up people in a circle, we invariably wind up having it feel like therapy. This can make some of us feel open, and others feel resistant. As facilitators, what can we do to position depth as a path to the outcomes we want?
  • Question: Where does this fear of depth come from? What’s the narrative that makes staying out of depth and treating people as sub-human permissable?
  • Some people feel compelled to protect the patriarchy / white supremacy—especially those who have wealth, or who generate wealth for other people. —Tuesday
  • In change, people often struggle with leadership because they fear the work will cause a loss of relationships. This has a lot to do with the mechanistic worldview that is responsible for setting up our organizations, when we didn’t realize the interconnectedness of things, and when we treat human organizations as machines, striving for efficiency.
  • This organizational structure not only fails to acknowledge people’s humanity, but is fundamentally oppressive. It’s not like these organizations set free people’s potential.
  • Question: What allows or justifies the perpetuation of systems that are so unkind?
  • If you can make non-emotional judgement calls, you’re successful. That’s part of the programming I received from my parents: that you actually can’t lead if you’re empathetically or emotionally engaged with people. — Tim
  • Song of the day: Frank Turner’s Be More Kind
  • Poem of the day: Self Portrait by David Whyte


It doesn't interest me if there is one God

or many gods.

I want to know if you belong or feel

abandoned.

If you know despair or can see it in others.

I want to know

if you are prepared to live in the world

with its harsh need

to change you. If you can look back

with firm eyes

saying this is where I stand. I want to know

if you know

how to melt into that fierce heat of living

falling toward

the center of your longing. I want to know

if you are willing

to live, day by day, with the consequence of love

and the bitter

unwanted passion of your sure defeat.

I have heard, in that fierce embrace, even

the gods speak of God.


 -- David Whyte from Fire in the Earth

 ©1992 Many Rivers Press


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 45:45

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode eight, Tim and Tuesday empathize with facilitators and collaborators separated by organizational difference or mandates — and explore how to go deep and draw out the greatest value.


1.08 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Recent favourite binge-worthy shows: The Good Place and Occupied.
  • When we set up people in a circle, we invariably wind up having it feel like therapy. This can make some of us feel open, and others feel resistant. As facilitators, what can we do to position depth as a path to the outcomes we want?
  • Question: Where does this fear of depth come from? What’s the narrative that makes staying out of depth and treating people as sub-human permissable?
  • Some people feel compelled to protect the patriarchy / white supremacy—especially those who have wealth, or who generate wealth for other people. —Tuesday
  • In change, people often struggle with leadership because they fear the work will cause a loss of relationships. This has a lot to do with the mechanistic worldview that is responsible for setting up our organizations, when we didn’t realize the interconnectedness of things, and when we treat human organizations as machines, striving for efficiency.
  • This organizational structure not only fails to acknowledge people’s humanity, but is fundamentally oppressive. It’s not like these organizations set free people’s potential.
  • Question: What allows or justifies the perpetuation of systems that are so unkind?
  • If you can make non-emotional judgement calls, you’re successful. That’s part of the programming I received from my parents: that you actually can’t lead if you’re empathetically or emotionally engaged with people. — Tim
  • Song of the day: Frank Turner’s Be More Kind
  • Poem of the day: Self Portrait by David Whyte


It doesn't interest me if there is one God

or many gods.

I want to know if you belong or feel

abandoned.

If you know despair or can see it in others.

I want to know

if you are prepared to live in the world

with its harsh need

to change you. If you can look back

with firm eyes

saying this is where I stand. I want to know

if you know

how to melt into that fierce heat of living

falling toward

the center of your longing. I want to know

if you are willing

to live, day by day, with the consequence of love

and the bitter

unwanted passion of your sure defeat.

I have heard, in that fierce embrace, even

the gods speak of God.


 -- David Whyte from Fire in the Earth

 ©1992 Many Rivers Press


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com. 

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 45:45

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> <![CDATA[1.07: How to Make a Living: How to lead change and bring new energy when you've got to pay the bills]]> Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:00:37 GMT 42:59 5bfc27d2a41d7104639938fa true http://www.findtheutside.com/podcast 5bfc27d2a41d7104639938fa 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 107-how-to-make-a-living In episode seven, Tim and Tuesday invite us ‘backstage’ to share revelations and lessons along the path of making their work of systems change into a repeatable, bankable business. full 1 7 In episode seven, Tim and Tuesday invite us ‘backstage’ to share revelations and lessons along the path of making their work of systems change into a repeatable, bankable business.


1.07 —SHOW NOTES


  • Tim talks about his first entry into the working world, wanting to find a job that could make a difference. Tuesday notes that she never wanted to work for herself.
  • Many of us have that moment of taking on a massive amount of debt when we’re young—as soon as the bank notices us as a new source of interest—and we then spend the next several years working to pay it off. For some of us, that’s a wake-up call. —Tim
  • Tim describes ‘going feral’ and getting approved for a £10,000 credit card, and borrowing from mom and dad to pay it off to the tune of 35% of his income every month.
  • Tuesday took a course around limiting beliefs around money. She was asked to write down all of her beliefs about poor people, then about rich people—and the contrast in these thoughts was shocking.
  • Tim and Tuesday explore the friction of negotiating in systems change work. Even though we want to use our talents and skills to make positive change, we still have to pay the bills—so we have to push through that uncomfortable point of attaching money to our contribution.
  • How does growing up in poverty—or in abundance—influence us as entrepreneurs
  • How does a global network of contacts come into play when work is thin? How do we make the ask, and how can we make ourselves invaluable?
  • What other moments and windfalls helped propel us early on? Tim and Tuesday talk about managing the ebb and flow of inheritances, debt, grants, internships, and volunteering.
  • At what point does systems change work become ‘a real job’? What does that even mean? What does that transition look and feel like, and how can we manage it well?
  • The field of systems change facilitation didn’t exist until the early 2000s, when Art of Hosting began developing an architecture under all of these different processes.
  • Tim and Tuesday explore how saying NO to some work helps build your business.
  • Poem of the day: Mary Oliver's Work, Sometimes


Work, Sometimes


I was sad all day, and why not. There I was, books piled

on both sides of the table, paper stacked up, words

falling off my tongue.


The robins had been a long time singing, and now it

was beginning to rain.


What are we sure of? Happiness isn’t a town on a map,

or an early arrival, or a job well done, but good work

ongoing. Which is not likely to be the trifling around

with a poem.


Then it began raining hard, and the flowers in the yard

were full of lively fragrance.


You have had days like this, no doubt. And wasn’t it

wonderful, finally, to leave the room? Ah, what a

moment!


As for myself, I swung the door open. And there was

the wordless, singing world. And I ran for my life.


Mary Oliver

New and Selected Poems, Vol. II


  • Song of the day: Chaka Khan, Like Sugar


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 42:55

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode seven, Tim and Tuesday invite us ‘backstage’ to share revelations and lessons along the path of making their work of systems change into a repeatable, bankable business.


1.07 —SHOW NOTES


  • Tim talks about his first entry into the working world, wanting to find a job that could make a difference. Tuesday notes that she never wanted to work for herself.
  • Many of us have that moment of taking on a massive amount of debt when we’re young—as soon as the bank notices us as a new source of interest—and we then spend the next several years working to pay it off. For some of us, that’s a wake-up call. —Tim
  • Tim describes ‘going feral’ and getting approved for a £10,000 credit card, and borrowing from mom and dad to pay it off to the tune of 35% of his income every month.
  • Tuesday took a course around limiting beliefs around money. She was asked to write down all of her beliefs about poor people, then about rich people—and the contrast in these thoughts was shocking.
  • Tim and Tuesday explore the friction of negotiating in systems change work. Even though we want to use our talents and skills to make positive change, we still have to pay the bills—so we have to push through that uncomfortable point of attaching money to our contribution.
  • How does growing up in poverty—or in abundance—influence us as entrepreneurs
  • How does a global network of contacts come into play when work is thin? How do we make the ask, and how can we make ourselves invaluable?
  • What other moments and windfalls helped propel us early on? Tim and Tuesday talk about managing the ebb and flow of inheritances, debt, grants, internships, and volunteering.
  • At what point does systems change work become ‘a real job’? What does that even mean? What does that transition look and feel like, and how can we manage it well?
  • The field of systems change facilitation didn’t exist until the early 2000s, when Art of Hosting began developing an architecture under all of these different processes.
  • Tim and Tuesday explore how saying NO to some work helps build your business.
  • Poem of the day: Mary Oliver's Work, Sometimes


Work, Sometimes


I was sad all day, and why not. There I was, books piled

on both sides of the table, paper stacked up, words

falling off my tongue.


The robins had been a long time singing, and now it

was beginning to rain.


What are we sure of? Happiness isn’t a town on a map,

or an early arrival, or a job well done, but good work

ongoing. Which is not likely to be the trifling around

with a poem.


Then it began raining hard, and the flowers in the yard

were full of lively fragrance.


You have had days like this, no doubt. And wasn’t it

wonderful, finally, to leave the room? Ah, what a

moment!


As for myself, I swung the door open. And there was

the wordless, singing world. And I ran for my life.


Mary Oliver

New and Selected Poems, Vol. II


  • Song of the day: Chaka Khan, Like Sugar


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 42:55

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 1.06: Liberation: How to recognize and opt out of limiting beliefs for momentum 1.06: Liberation: How to recognize and opt out of limiting beliefs for momentum Tue, 13 Nov 2018 10:00:47 GMT 36:39 5be497d4345320fd0d4db83b true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5be497d4345320fd0d4db83b 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 106-liberation-how-to-recognize-and-opt-out-of-limiting-beli In episode six, Tim and Tuesday explore the role played by limiting beliefs in their work on systems change, equity and leadership—and the practice of letting them go. full 1 6 In episode six, Tim and Tuesday explore the role played by limiting beliefs in their work on systems change, equity and leadership—and the practice of letting them go.


1.06 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Can working with our limiting beliefs be liberating? Is it possible (or even advisable) to eliminate our limiting beliefs?
  • What kind of limiting beliefs show up most frequently in your work?
  • Can you remember something you once believed that you no longer believe?
  • We talk about our beliefs as limiting, because we spend a lot of our time loosening them up.
  • Culture eats strategy for lunch. This is part of what sets us free.
  • The level of change that you’re willing to go through yourself is directly relative to the level of change we’re going to see around this…
  • The linearity of it is hard for me to graph… ‘All the levels all the time’
  • They don’t care about it like we do. People can feel their own care and commitment, but can really be suspect of other folks care and commitment.
  • I’m not powerful enough is as dangerous as I’m important, this work is important, the most important work. —Tim
  • There’s a large attachment in the world of hiring consultants to the idea of epiphany.
  • Limiting beliefs are conversations to come back to again and again and again. It’s not about eliminating them, it’s about being in relationship with them.
  • One of my core limiting beliefs is ‘I don’t deserve to take up space’, so one of my biggest pet peeves is other people taking up space. —Tuesday
  • Poem: Elephant in the room by Lemn Sissay
  • Song: Little Red Corvette by Prince


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 36:39

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode six, Tim and Tuesday explore the role played by limiting beliefs in their work on systems change, equity and leadership—and the practice of letting them go.


1.06 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Can working with our limiting beliefs be liberating? Is it possible (or even advisable) to eliminate our limiting beliefs?
  • What kind of limiting beliefs show up most frequently in your work?
  • Can you remember something you once believed that you no longer believe?
  • We talk about our beliefs as limiting, because we spend a lot of our time loosening them up.
  • Culture eats strategy for lunch. This is part of what sets us free.
  • The level of change that you’re willing to go through yourself is directly relative to the level of change we’re going to see around this…
  • The linearity of it is hard for me to graph… ‘All the levels all the time’
  • They don’t care about it like we do. People can feel their own care and commitment, but can really be suspect of other folks care and commitment.
  • I’m not powerful enough is as dangerous as I’m important, this work is important, the most important work. —Tim
  • There’s a large attachment in the world of hiring consultants to the idea of epiphany.
  • Limiting beliefs are conversations to come back to again and again and again. It’s not about eliminating them, it’s about being in relationship with them.
  • One of my core limiting beliefs is ‘I don’t deserve to take up space’, so one of my biggest pet peeves is other people taking up space. —Tuesday
  • Poem: Elephant in the room by Lemn Sissay
  • Song: Little Red Corvette by Prince


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 36:39

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 1.05: Focus: On staying small and pointing energy instead of scaling up 1.05: Focus: On staying small and pointing energy instead of scaling up Tue, 30 Oct 2018 09:00:51 GMT 33:55 5bd08a7ddd8ad5f926bdc934 true https://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast/ 5bd08a7ddd8ad5f926bdc934 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 105-focus-on-staying-small-and-pointing-energy-instead-of-sc In episode five, Tim and Tuesday unpack why they’ve declined invitations to grow bigger, choosing instead to make The Outside small, flexible, and connected. full 1 5 In episode five, Tim and Tuesday unpack why they’ve declined invitations to grow bigger, choosing instead to make The Outside small, flexible, and connected.


1.05 —— SHOW NOTES


  • We are totally committed to building capacity within the communities and organizations we engage. We don’t want to build a dependency on ourselves for the people we’re serving.
  • We create the conditions for people to get to work on stuff themselves.
  • Bookmarking:
  • Our deliberateness of working with managers of one.
  • Something about this design, the structure of our business that forces a surrendering of control.
  • That we work in the void, the space between things. The more rigid we become the less able we actually are to be responsive.
  • Tim notes ‘managers of one’ with link to the book REWORK
  • We’ve never got bigger, we’ve just got more connected… it’s allowed us to go to greater and greater scale in our work.
  • In your working relationships, seek out ease. The work is hard enough.
  • Our classic one-liner: We’re not going to do it for you. We’re going to do it with you.
  • Letting go of control is not an abdication of responsibility.
  • The Void—we are bringing together multiple stakeholders who are bringing people together.
  • We need to be hyper flexible, anti-fragile
  • Poem: Lemn Sissay, Listener: Architecture
  • Song: Babba Maal & Mumford and Sons: There will be time


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 33:55

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode five, Tim and Tuesday unpack why they’ve declined invitations to grow bigger, choosing instead to make The Outside small, flexible, and connected.


1.05 —— SHOW NOTES


  • We are totally committed to building capacity within the communities and organizations we engage. We don’t want to build a dependency on ourselves for the people we’re serving.
  • We create the conditions for people to get to work on stuff themselves.
  • Bookmarking:
  • Our deliberateness of working with managers of one.
  • Something about this design, the structure of our business that forces a surrendering of control.
  • That we work in the void, the space between things. The more rigid we become the less able we actually are to be responsive.
  • Tim notes ‘managers of one’ with link to the book REWORK
  • We’ve never got bigger, we’ve just got more connected… it’s allowed us to go to greater and greater scale in our work.
  • In your working relationships, seek out ease. The work is hard enough.
  • Our classic one-liner: We’re not going to do it for you. We’re going to do it with you.
  • Letting go of control is not an abdication of responsibility.
  • The Void—we are bringing together multiple stakeholders who are bringing people together.
  • We need to be hyper flexible, anti-fragile
  • Poem: Lemn Sissay, Listener: Architecture
  • Song: Babba Maal & Mumford and Sons: There will be time


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 33:55

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 1.04: Heartbreak: Facing Setbacks, Disappointment, and Injustice as a leadership practice 1.04: Heartbreak: Facing Setbacks, Disappointment, and Injustice as a leadership practice Tue, 16 Oct 2018 09:00:09 GMT 33:57 5bc3e3d05840c11d736078fb true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5bc3e3d05840c11d736078fb 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 104-heartbreak-facing-reality In episode four, Tim and Tuesday reflect on the mindset shift of seeing reality clearly—not just the future that we hope for—and the value of working with what is, right now. full 1 4 In episode four, Tim and Tuesday reflect on the mindset shift of seeing reality clearly—not just the future that we hope for—and the value of working with what is, right now.


1.04 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tim shares a quote from the podcast Scroobious Pip: “You work with what you’ve got—not with what you hope for.”
  • The gap between working with what is, versus what you hoped for can feel like miles.
  • We don’t often talk about the capacity to be in heartbreak—a key element of resiliency.
  • “Heartbreak is a part of life no one can avoid. But I have choices to make about how my heart breaks. Will it break apart into a thousand shards, and perhaps be thrown like a fragment grenade at the ostensible source of my pain? Or will it break open into greater capacity to hold my own and the world’s suffering and joy? If I shut my heart down and allow it to get brittle, heartbreak will shatter it, injuring me and those around me. But if keep my heart supple by “exercising” it—allowing my suffering and the suffering around me to stretch that spiritual muscle—heartbreak will open my heart, bringing me more peace and adding to the world’s vital store of compassion.” —Parker Palmer

  • Heartbreak can manifest as fury as much as it can manifest as openness. It’s not difficult to imagine and feel both.
  • What are the practices that enable us to deal with heartbreak when it emerges? Does it help to pick fury?
  • How do we work with our own heartbreak and the heartbreak of others around us… and how do we enable that to be something we’re choosing?
  • Where’s the space given for heartbreak? Not to stay there, but to allow it, and maybe move from a soft heart. What’s the loss? What’s the risk if we let this go? What’s the risk of not doing it?
  • Poem: The Repairman by John Coldwell
  • He said that he had patched it as best he could
  • But he warned, eventually,
  • The whole lot would have to come down.
  • He tucked his ladder under his arm
  • And pressed into my hand a splintered shard of sky.
  • Song of the episode: Lemon by N.E.R.D. and Rhianna

Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 33:57

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode four, Tim and Tuesday reflect on the mindset shift of seeing reality clearly—not just the future that we hope for—and the value of working with what is, right now.


1.04 —— SHOW NOTES


  • Tim shares a quote from the podcast Scroobious Pip: “You work with what you’ve got—not with what you hope for.”
  • The gap between working with what is, versus what you hoped for can feel like miles.
  • We don’t often talk about the capacity to be in heartbreak—a key element of resiliency.
  • “Heartbreak is a part of life no one can avoid. But I have choices to make about how my heart breaks. Will it break apart into a thousand shards, and perhaps be thrown like a fragment grenade at the ostensible source of my pain? Or will it break open into greater capacity to hold my own and the world’s suffering and joy? If I shut my heart down and allow it to get brittle, heartbreak will shatter it, injuring me and those around me. But if keep my heart supple by “exercising” it—allowing my suffering and the suffering around me to stretch that spiritual muscle—heartbreak will open my heart, bringing me more peace and adding to the world’s vital store of compassion.” —Parker Palmer

  • Heartbreak can manifest as fury as much as it can manifest as openness. It’s not difficult to imagine and feel both.
  • What are the practices that enable us to deal with heartbreak when it emerges? Does it help to pick fury?
  • How do we work with our own heartbreak and the heartbreak of others around us… and how do we enable that to be something we’re choosing?
  • Where’s the space given for heartbreak? Not to stay there, but to allow it, and maybe move from a soft heart. What’s the loss? What’s the risk if we let this go? What’s the risk of not doing it?
  • Poem: The Repairman by John Coldwell
  • He said that he had patched it as best he could
  • But he warned, eventually,
  • The whole lot would have to come down.
  • He tucked his ladder under his arm
  • And pressed into my hand a splintered shard of sky.
  • Song of the episode: Lemon by N.E.R.D. and Rhianna

Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.

Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 33:57

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Episode cover image: source

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 1.03: Neutrality: No such thing? 1.03: Neutrality: No such thing? Mon, 01 Oct 2018 20:57:00 GMT 40:06 5bb2354e6e85d218253baac3 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5bb2354e6e85d218253baac3 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 103-neutrality-there-is-no-such-thing In episode three, we contemplate the nature of neutrality. Is it even possible - or desirable - to be neutral as a host or facilitator? What are our obligations towards the people in the room? full 1 3 In episode three, we contemplate the nature of neutrality. Is it even possible - or desirable - to be neutral as a host or facilitator? What are our obligations towards the people in the room?


SHOW NOTES


  • Tim and Tuesday explore the presumption and delivery of neutrality as facilitators, and its connection to equity. Says Tim: “I will very specifically recommend to people to not take actions that increase the adversity between them. I will leverage my power every single day for something other than that.”
  • The more chaotic and uncertain things become in the world, the more we need to turn to each other. If we’re going to be useful to one another, we need to let go of control—but we also need structure in order to move forward. How do we balance the two?
  • On reimagining systems with equity at the centre: “Creating an arsenal that our grandchildren are going to be like ‘thank you’ for.” —Tim
  • On how we show up as facilitators, especially when our voice is among those amplified over others up by current systems: “Our first inclination is to just disavow the privilege and then just say ‘use it for good.’ But using your privilege for change doesn’t mean you accept the status quo… it’s much more complex and nuanced than that. Also, leveraging doesn’t look the same in every situation.” —Tuesday
  • On how collaborators can be in relationship with an awareness of neutrality and privilege, but carry on despite it: “(You and I) have a lack of fragility… an ability to go back and forth with one another without collapsing. There’s a lot in the lack of fragility.” —Tim
  • Tuesday mentions Nariyyah Waheed’s Salt: “We have all hurt someone tremendously, whether by intent or accident. We have all loved someone tremendously, whether by intent or accident. It is an intrinsic human trait, and a deep responsibility, I think, to be an organ and a blade. But, learning to forgive ourselves and others because we have not chosen wisely is what makes us most human. We make horrible mistakes. It’s how we learn. We breathe love. It’s how we learn. And it is inevitable.”
  • The song of the episode: I Got Cash by Brooklyn Funk Essentials


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 40:06

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode three, we contemplate the nature of neutrality. Is it even possible - or desirable - to be neutral as a host or facilitator? What are our obligations towards the people in the room?


SHOW NOTES


  • Tim and Tuesday explore the presumption and delivery of neutrality as facilitators, and its connection to equity. Says Tim: “I will very specifically recommend to people to not take actions that increase the adversity between them. I will leverage my power every single day for something other than that.”
  • The more chaotic and uncertain things become in the world, the more we need to turn to each other. If we’re going to be useful to one another, we need to let go of control—but we also need structure in order to move forward. How do we balance the two?
  • On reimagining systems with equity at the centre: “Creating an arsenal that our grandchildren are going to be like ‘thank you’ for.” —Tim
  • On how we show up as facilitators, especially when our voice is among those amplified over others up by current systems: “Our first inclination is to just disavow the privilege and then just say ‘use it for good.’ But using your privilege for change doesn’t mean you accept the status quo… it’s much more complex and nuanced than that. Also, leveraging doesn’t look the same in every situation.” —Tuesday
  • On how collaborators can be in relationship with an awareness of neutrality and privilege, but carry on despite it: “(You and I) have a lack of fragility… an ability to go back and forth with one another without collapsing. There’s a lot in the lack of fragility.” —Tim
  • Tuesday mentions Nariyyah Waheed’s Salt: “We have all hurt someone tremendously, whether by intent or accident. We have all loved someone tremendously, whether by intent or accident. It is an intrinsic human trait, and a deep responsibility, I think, to be an organ and a blade. But, learning to forgive ourselves and others because we have not chosen wisely is what makes us most human. We make horrible mistakes. It’s how we learn. We breathe love. It’s how we learn. And it is inevitable.”
  • The song of the episode: I Got Cash by Brooklyn Funk Essentials


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 40:06

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 1.02: Origins: How it all began 1.02: Origins: How it all began Mon, 01 Oct 2018 20:56:00 GMT 45:45 5bb234ca87ef87811438a577 true http://www.findtheoutside.com/podcast 5bb234ca87ef87811438a577 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 102-origins-how-it-all-began In episode two, Tim and Tuesday recap the facilitation paths that led them towards their collaboration on equity, big systems change, and leadership. full 1 2 In episode two, Tim and Tuesday recap the facilitation paths that led them towards their collaboration on equity, big systems change, and leadership.


SHOW NOTES


  1. First, Tim and Tuesday discuss where the work of systems change and equity began for each of them, and how has it shifted over the years. What would a typical project look like ten years ago, and for who was the typical client? How did they get paid to do this work? Wrapping up, Tim talks about the impact of Augusto Boal’s Theatre of the Oppressed.
  2. Next, Tim and Tuesday talk about the significance of who they are as a unit: Why ‘The Outside’? What does a typical project look like? At what point do people pick up the phone and call us to come in? How does work begin for us? How do we begin?
  3. For our PRACTICES segment, we ask: what’s keeping you sane?
  4. Each episode will have a song or poem of the week that feels integral to the work. This week, it’s a poem by Sarah La Rosa from her book Her Strange Angels:
  5. The way to find a measure of solace in the place of unknowing
  6. Of waiting
  7. On the verge of deep waters
  8. Is to remember that we are equipped with the ability to float
  9. Water is out natural state
  10. We had our beginnings in a sacred sea
  11. And so returning to that vast ocean does not have to be scary and unknown
  12. It could be more like going home.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 45:45

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> In episode two, Tim and Tuesday recap the facilitation paths that led them towards their collaboration on equity, big systems change, and leadership.


SHOW NOTES


  1. First, Tim and Tuesday discuss where the work of systems change and equity began for each of them, and how has it shifted over the years. What would a typical project look like ten years ago, and for who was the typical client? How did they get paid to do this work? Wrapping up, Tim talks about the impact of Augusto Boal’s Theatre of the Oppressed.
  2. Next, Tim and Tuesday talk about the significance of who they are as a unit: Why ‘The Outside’? What does a typical project look like? At what point do people pick up the phone and call us to come in? How does work begin for us? How do we begin?
  3. For our PRACTICES segment, we ask: what’s keeping you sane?
  4. Each episode will have a song or poem of the week that feels integral to the work. This week, it’s a poem by Sarah La Rosa from her book Her Strange Angels:
  5. The way to find a measure of solace in the place of unknowing
  6. Of waiting
  7. On the verge of deep waters
  8. Is to remember that we are equipped with the ability to float
  9. Water is out natural state
  10. We had our beginnings in a sacred sea
  11. And so returning to that vast ocean does not have to be scary and unknown
  12. It could be more like going home.


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 45:45

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

]]> 1.01: Reflections: What matters? 1.01: Reflections: What matters? Wed, 26 Sep 2018 15:31:07 GMT 40:26 5baba63b31c3c3b23ab6dc82 true http://findtheoutside.com/podcast 5baba63b31c3c3b23ab6dc82 5baba374bcb6856c601eeac8 101-reflections In episode one, Tim and Tuesday kick off with a lively conversation on what matters most as change makers push back — on broken systems, missing voices, and the status quo. full 1 1 In episode one, Tim and Tuesday kick off with a lively conversation on what matters most as change makers push back — on broken systems, missing voices, and the status quo. 


SHOW NOTES

First up, we introduce ourselves, talk about our work—who we are and what we do—who are these voices in your ears? Then, we raise the deeper questions we’ll dive into in the coming months: key building blocks and obstacles in the shared work of equity and systems change.


  • THE POINT OF PODCASTING: This podcast is a pause to let what we’re learning settle in. Talking and thinking out-loud—inviting other people in—to capture and share insight. Tim riffs a spoken word poem about reflection being too important to leave to chance.
  • THE ROOTS OF OUR WORK: What about how and where we came up in the world made us? Tim and Tuesday recap their origins in the world—class, education, geographies, cultures, careers, ethnicity—equity!—and how all this shapes who they are today (and how they work together).
  • PARTICIPATORY LEADERSHIP: Participatory leadership as a driving force when we realized how much was missing from solutions. Understanding power, privilege, race, gender—pulling all these impacts together to change systems that might make the world better. It’s not just personal. It has to be bigger than us as individuals.
  • RETHINKING PRIVILEGE: Let’s do a whole podcast about the word ‘privilege’—even though it’s so heavily used these days, we almost want to return to it, and rethink how it fundamentally informs our work.
  • ALIGNING LIFE EXPERIENCE TO STRATEGY: How do we align our basis for processing the world—our strategic brain, which comes with all kinds of assumptions and patterns rooted in our life experience—with a new sort of bigger-picture strategy that has to get beyond the typical? How do we navigate our relationships across time to keep us moving on-strategy, while staying in-relationship with each other?
  • INFLUENCING FACTORS ‘IN THE ROOM‘: Tim and Tuesday explore various positive and negative influencing factors in ‘running the room’ when they’re experimenting towards systems change: generosity, that just-enough mentality, privilege.
  • WORK-LIFE BALANCE: The psychology and effect of work-family balance as our work scales up: how can we make sure that as our success grows—as we scale our work to the next level—how can we be sure we’re not exhausted by it to the point where we’ve not got enough for our families?
  • BUILDING A CAN-DO VIBE: How can we acknowledge a persistently difficult reality while also uplifting the room?
  • SEEING REALITY CLEARLY: What it means to bring a willingness to see reality into the room. Not just conceptual clarity, but also being clear on how much we don’t know. What’s the value of knowing how much we don’t know?
  • WORKING TOWARDS A SOCIETY THAT SERVES ALL: Why does this principle somehow feel like ‘milk toast’, as Tuesday calls it? Important, but somehow bland. ‘Serves all’ becomes a blanket that can muffle clarity. Equity is not just addressing marginalization, but also building something that every person in the system, across power lines, actively benefits from. Not just ending lack of benefit but creating benefit. We’re radically committed to this idea, but we need to make sure that when we talk about it, it’s not a throwaway line.
  • EPISODE 1 SONG: Damn, dis-moi by Christine and the Queens


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 40:26

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

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]]> In episode one, Tim and Tuesday kick off with a lively conversation on what matters most as change makers push back — on broken systems, missing voices, and the status quo. 


SHOW NOTES

First up, we introduce ourselves, talk about our work—who we are and what we do—who are these voices in your ears? Then, we raise the deeper questions we’ll dive into in the coming months: key building blocks and obstacles in the shared work of equity and systems change.


  • THE POINT OF PODCASTING: This podcast is a pause to let what we’re learning settle in. Talking and thinking out-loud—inviting other people in—to capture and share insight. Tim riffs a spoken word poem about reflection being too important to leave to chance.
  • THE ROOTS OF OUR WORK: What about how and where we came up in the world made us? Tim and Tuesday recap their origins in the world—class, education, geographies, cultures, careers, ethnicity—equity!—and how all this shapes who they are today (and how they work together).
  • PARTICIPATORY LEADERSHIP: Participatory leadership as a driving force when we realized how much was missing from solutions. Understanding power, privilege, race, gender—pulling all these impacts together to change systems that might make the world better. It’s not just personal. It has to be bigger than us as individuals.
  • RETHINKING PRIVILEGE: Let’s do a whole podcast about the word ‘privilege’—even though it’s so heavily used these days, we almost want to return to it, and rethink how it fundamentally informs our work.
  • ALIGNING LIFE EXPERIENCE TO STRATEGY: How do we align our basis for processing the world—our strategic brain, which comes with all kinds of assumptions and patterns rooted in our life experience—with a new sort of bigger-picture strategy that has to get beyond the typical? How do we navigate our relationships across time to keep us moving on-strategy, while staying in-relationship with each other?
  • INFLUENCING FACTORS ‘IN THE ROOM‘: Tim and Tuesday explore various positive and negative influencing factors in ‘running the room’ when they’re experimenting towards systems change: generosity, that just-enough mentality, privilege.
  • WORK-LIFE BALANCE: The psychology and effect of work-family balance as our work scales up: how can we make sure that as our success grows—as we scale our work to the next level—how can we be sure we’re not exhausted by it to the point where we’ve not got enough for our families?
  • BUILDING A CAN-DO VIBE: How can we acknowledge a persistently difficult reality while also uplifting the room?
  • SEEING REALITY CLEARLY: What it means to bring a willingness to see reality into the room. Not just conceptual clarity, but also being clear on how much we don’t know. What’s the value of knowing how much we don’t know?
  • WORKING TOWARDS A SOCIETY THAT SERVES ALL: Why does this principle somehow feel like ‘milk toast’, as Tuesday calls it? Important, but somehow bland. ‘Serves all’ becomes a blanket that can muffle clarity. Equity is not just addressing marginalization, but also building something that every person in the system, across power lines, actively benefits from. Not just ending lack of benefit but creating benefit. We’re radically committed to this idea, but we need to make sure that when we talk about it, it’s not a throwaway line.
  • EPISODE 1 SONG: Damn, dis-moi by Christine and the Queens


Subscribe to the podcast now—in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or anywhere else you find podcasts. New episodes will be available every second Tuesday. If you’d like to get in touch with us about something you heard on the show, reach us at podcast@findtheoutside.com.


Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.


Duration: 40:26

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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