Hold or Fold

30. Listener Questions, Series Highlights & Previously Unheard Bits | Series Finale

Tue, 23 Dec 2025 18:00:00 GMT

For the final episode of the series, Ben and Steve are laying it all out. Every question, every truth, every angle left unexplored. This is a full-length “Cards on the Table” special, created because there were simply too many listener questions to squeeze into the series… and far too many worth answering.

In this unfiltered, deeply personal finale, the hosts dig into the topics listeners most wanted to know about:

• How did prison really shape their recovery?

• What became of the money they stole and gambled?

• What does life look like after addiction, crime, and time behind bars?

But this episode isn’t just Q&A, it’s a celebration of the journey so far. Expect moments of emotion and surprise as Ben and Steve share unheard clips that never made previous episodes, spotlight powerful poetry, and reflect on the guests and stories that left the biggest mark on them this series.

Honest, reflective, and packed with never-before-heard content, this finale brings the heart of Hold or Fold into sharp focus: real people, real consequences, and real recovery.

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29. Religion & Recovery | Naman

Tue, 16 Dec 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In this powerful must-listen episode of Hold or Fold, Steve sits down with Naman, whose extraordinary journey lays bare the complex intersections of gambling harm, culture, faith, and the Criminal Justice System.

Naman opens up about how his religion shaped both his addiction and his recovery, a belief system that ultimately helped save his life. He reflects on how cultural expectations kept him silent for far too long, pushing him deeper into gambling as he tried to provide his partner with the love and security he felt his own mother never received

His story takes unexpected turns: being mistaken for the prison doctor, completely misjudging what life in an open prison would be like, and an almost darkly comedic, but ultimately dangerous, incident born from his naivety around drugs behind bars.

For Ben and Steve, who both served prison sentences for gambling-related crimes themselves, Naman’s story feels strikingly familiar, yet it also challenges them, revealing new layers of harm, identity, and resilience they haven’t explored before.

Raw, reflective, and at times astonishing, this episode shines a fresh light on the hidden pathways that lead people from gambling addiction to prison, and the unexpected forces that help them find their way back

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28. Being the change at HMP Berwyn | Rob & Rebecca from ARA & Ian

Tue, 09 Dec 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In this episode, Ben stepped back inside the prison walls to meet with a group of lads at HMP Berwyn. There he shared his own story of gambling and prison, took questions from the group and facilitated a powerful and meaningful conversation around addiction & recovery

After the session he spoke with Rob & Rebecca from the fantastic charity ARA: Recovery for all, to find out more about the work they do generally but also within HMP Berwyn. Ben also met with Ian, a former resident of Berwyn and a gambler of 47 years - Ian’s story is one of the most powerful and emotional we have ever shared on Hold or Fold and displays the power of recovery and how important it is that gambling harm support is offered within our prisons

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27. "I spun through £147k in 2 days" | Ben Howard

Tue, 02 Dec 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Ben Howard first made an appearance on Hold or Fold when it was exclusive to National Prison Radio. At that point he was in limbo, waiting to see if his crimes would lead him to prison or not.

He waited 4 years for his case to land, served his sentence, and came out determined to turn hard lessons into real change. In this episode he talks about how gambling took over his life, the unlikely friendship he formed on the prison bus and the informal research he carried out on his wing to count how many people had been harmed by gambling.

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26. The rapper who's tracks on addiction and mental health went viral | Jah Digga

Tue, 25 Nov 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In this raw and powerful episode of Hold or Fold, Nottingham rapper and poet Jah Digga opens up about his battle with gambling addiction, and the creative lifeline that saved him.

Behind the viral hit “Addictions”, there’s a deeply personal story; nights spent haunted by visions of cards and chips, insomnia, and the relentless “chase” that drove him to near rock bottom.

Raised in a rough neighbourhood, Jah watched his siblings jailed or worse, and vowed to carve out a different path. Through writing, rapping, and poetry, he channeled his pain into purpose, and found an alternative route to the one laid out for him

He talks to fellow Nottingham lad Ben about how gambling impacted his life, how his mental health suffered, and the coping strategies that helped him reclaim his life - From playing 'games' against the casino to building structure with gym routines and art. He also reflects on the power of community, the importance of celebrating real achievements in disadvantaged areas, and why he believes that creativity can be a force for healing and hope.

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25. 'Debts are getting bigger, bets are getting bigger, I'm completely losing control' | Mark from Whysup

Tue, 18 Nov 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In this powerful episode, we sit down with Mark Murray, co-founder of the mental health and addiction charity Whysup, to unpack a life that could’ve gone very differently.

As a teenager, Mark was on the books at Manchester City, a promising football career ahead but everything shifted when he became a father at just 16. To cope with the pressure, Mark turned to gambling. What began as a way out soon spiralled into a 13-year addiction that would leave him drowning in debt, facing threats, and entangled with dangerous people.

Mark found help at Gordon Moody, where he rebuilt his life. It’s here that the spark for Whysup was born: using lived experience as the foundation to drive change

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24. 'When I was arrested, the Officer sat me down and said...You've got a problem' | Martin's Story

Tue, 11 Nov 2025 18:00:00 GMT

On this episode, Steve sits down for an open and honest chat with Martin. Martin tells us how his childhood led him to gambling and what started as fruit machines by the sea soon became spending a full day, on one machine, in a bookmaker

Martin also shares how his prison experience changed him, made him better understand himself and taught him to make the best of every situation through embracing the present

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23. Gambling in Black Communities | Kiki & Ryan from Betknowmore

Tue, 04 Nov 2025 18:00:00 GMT

This episode explores the links between gambling harm in Black communities and the Criminal Justice System. Ben is joined by Ryan Taylor-Hines & Kiki Marriott from BetKnowMore to unpack how culture, targeted industry practices and social inequality shape gambling risk - And what community-led responses like “Breaking the Cycle” actually do on the ground to help address the problem and raise awareness

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22. The Postman who gambled €10 million....And lost it all | Tony O'Reilly | Worldwide

Tue, 28 Oct 2025 18:00:00 GMT

It's another episode of 'Hold or Fold: Worldwide' - Where Ben speaks to people in other countries to find out how their experience of gambling and prison was different, or similar, to his own

What starts as a seemingly innocuous £1 bet spirals into a life-shattering obsession. In this riveting episode, we speak with Tony O’Reilly - Once a trusted post office manager, later a headline-making gambler, then a prisoner, and now a leading voice in the fight against gambling harm.

In this conversation, he tells us:

•How addiction can start innocently and accelerate into something uncontrollable.

•What drove him down the road to crime - and what it did to those around him.

•What it’s like to hit rock bottom, to face imprisonment, and to rebuild from the wreckage.

•How he now works as an accredited addiction counsellor and speaks in schools to expose the hidden dangers of gambling.

•How he doesn't have regrets and his time behind bars was largely positive

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21. My Story: Clarke Carlisle

Tue, 21 Oct 2025 17:00:00 GMT

We’re back with Series 5 of Hold or Fold - The podcast that explores gambling harm through the lens of the Criminal Justice System.

In this episode, we're joined by Clarke Carlisle, former Premier League footballer, ex-PFA Chair, and mental health advocate. This is a raw and moving discussion about Clarke's journey through football, gambling, depression and how he rebuilt his life after hitting rock bottom.

In This Episode

•Clarke opens up about his football career and the pressure to impress both on and off the pitch.

•How his gambling began, escalated, and eventually spiralled out of control.

•The moment everything came to a head and what helped him find a way back.

•Life after football: Clarke’s transition from the pitch to a new purpose at Gordon Moody, supporting others facing gambling harm.

•A heartfelt conversation about identity, recovery, and hope, proving that no matter how deep the hole, it’s never too late to climb out.

Content Warning & Support

This episode contains discussion of suicide, depression and gambling harm.

If you’re struggling or need someone to talk to, please reach out:

Samaritans (UK & ROI) – Free, 24/7

Call 116 123 or visit samaritans.org.

You are not alone. Help and hope are always available

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20. "I was spending the whole wage, that was real darkness" | Neil's Story

Tue, 06 May 2025 12:00:00 GMT

In the final episode of the series, Ben & Steve hear from Neil. Neil had a transformative experience in prison where he took time to work out what he wanted from life – He has since gone back in to prisons helping others as a liaison worker for Gambler’s Anonymous and now works for Breakeven who we featured on the previous episode

Neil has a great way with words and quite a different perspective to the ones we usually hear, both on gambling and prison.

Ben & Steve also discuss their series highlights and air a previously unheard clip

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19. Spotlight On: Breakeven | Ian Semel

Tue, 29 Apr 2025 12:00:00 GMT

It’s another ‘Spotlight On’ episode where we celebrate the work of an organisation or charity within the gambling harm space that can offer you help, support and guidance. This time, we’re speaking to the fabulous Ian Semel, CEO and founder of the fantastic ‘Breakeven’ - A charity for whom “Lived experience plays a major part in everything they do…”

In 2024, ‘Breakeven’ supported more than 15000 individuals, conducted over 2400 interventions in prisons and are committed to getting people the support they need as quickly as possible; The average time from assessment to the first session is just 24 hours

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18. Young People Gambling | Craig & Verity from Gamcare

Tue, 22 Apr 2025 12:00:00 GMT

The number of 11-17 year olds showing signs of problem gambling has doubled over the past year. As technology improves, young people are exposed to gambling a lot more frequently through social media, sporting events and online activity.

On this episode, Ben & Steve are joined by Craig & Verity from Gamcare to discuss the scale of the issue, why the figures are increasing and what can be done about it.

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*Jack Black clip from Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, courtesy of NBC

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17. Tapping | The Arukah Project & Double Impact

Tue, 15 Apr 2025 12:00:00 GMT

It’s another follow along episode as we serve up another practical session to aid you in your recovery. In the previous series we looked at mindfulness to help ease anxiety and in this episode we are focussing on a different method, Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) or, Tapping

Potential benefits of tapping include..

Minimising cravings
Helping withdrawal symptoms
Reducing the risk of relapse
Improving self control/restraint
Altering unhelpful thoughts
Healing past trauma

To help us with a guided session are Sharon & Aga from ‘The Arukah Project’ - Their approach is “rooted in understanding how trauma and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) can lead to high-risk behaviours” - ‘The Arukah Project’ work in prisons and help people with their trauma, behaviour and recovery

We will also be shining a light on Ben’s latest endeavour and the work he does with ‘Double Impact’

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16. "I was charged with attempted robbery and communicating a bomb threat...It was a cry for help" | Bryan's Story

Tue, 08 Apr 2025 12:00:00 GMT

In a desperate attempt to continue gambling, Bryan walked into a high street bank and gave the clerk seconds to hand over cash. He threatened to blow up the premises with the explosives in his rucksack, if his demands were not met…

Bryan had no such explosives and almost instantly walked out of the bank to call the police and tell them what he had done. Unsurprisingly, Bryan was arrested and sentenced to time in prison.

On this episode of Hold or Fold, Bryan chats to Steve about how his gambling started, how he was able to adapt to prison life and what led him to this self confessed ‘moment of madness’

Bryan has since turned his life around, committed to recovery and sobriety and will use any opportunity he can to warn others and try to prevent them going down the same road he did.

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Bryan also asked that we link the book 'Twisted Wired' by Sarina Wheatman. Sarina is an addiction therapist and Bryan was acknowledged in one of her books

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15. Affected Others | Rebecca & Julie

Tue, 01 Apr 2025 12:00:00 GMT

“For every 1 person that gambles, there are 6 to 10 people within their network who are directly impacted by that gambling harm”

On this episode of Hold or Fold we are looking at ‘Affected Others’ - Those who are affected by the gambling of people in their lives. We are joined by Rebecca, Gamcare’s ‘Lived Experience Manager for Affected Others’ - Who talks about the ripple effect of a person’s gambling and how she was also affected by the gambling of a loved one.

We also hear from Julie, someone who dedicates her time to raising awareness of gambling harms and providing support for others after a gambling related tragedy changed her life. This conversation mentions suicide and other sensitive subjects - There are some links below if you feel you need support

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14. "I took nearly $2 Million of my clients money...And gambled it" | Worldwide: With Ed

Tue, 25 Mar 2025 13:00:00 GMT

Ben has been traveling the world again (From the comfort of our virtual studio!) and welcomes Ed to the show. Ed was born in the UK but in an attempt to escape his gambling habit, left for the warmer climes of Australia where everybody “Wants to keep fit and live healthy lifestyles” - What he found though was an even more challenging environment for someone trying to curb their addiction. Pubs filled with Pokeys and access to millions of clients dollars led Ed down a treacherous path which ended up with him experiencing first hand, Australia's Criminal Justice System

Ed openly shares his experience of the gambling culture and the prison system of Australia while Ben & Steve react and discuss throughout

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13. Road to Recovery: Self Exclusion | Katie from GAMSTOP

Tue, 18 Mar 2025 13:00:00 GMT

An important step on anyone’s road to recovery is stopping access to the source of your addiction. Thankfully, GAMSTOP has made this a much easier process as they will do the leg work for you. On this episode, Ben & Steve are joined by Katie from GAMSTOP who tells us all about the service, how to use it and the far reaching benefits. Ben & Steve share their own experience with self exclusion and we hear from Bryan who himself used GAMSTOP to aid in his gambling recovery.

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12. "For 16 years, I gambled every day" | Women & Gambling with Sian & Lisa

Tue, 11 Mar 2025 13:00:00 GMT

While Men are statistically more likely to gamble and suffer from gambling harm, the gender gap seems to be narrowing but does this mean more women are gambling or more women are now coming forward for support?

To ask this question and find out more about the experience of women who have gambled, Ben & Steve welcome Sian and Lisa to Hold or Fold. Sian spent some time in HMP Styal after committing crimes relating to her gambling while an incredible casino win saw Lisa embark on a 16 year gambling journey. Sian & Lisa tell us what drew them to gambling, how this escalated and the additional challenges Women face when opening up about their addiction.

Ben & Steve also face up to another listener question in the first ‘Cards on the Table’ of the series as Brendan asks ‘What were your biggest highs and lows while gambling?’

Lisa works with Betknowmore - Betknowmore work tirelessly to raise awareness, deliver support services and, through education, create more understanding about gambling related harm. For more on how they can help you if you are experiencing gambling harm or to join them as a volunteer and support their work, please visit www.betknowmoreuk.org

Sian works with Beacon Counselling Trust - Beacon Counselling Trust is based in the North West of England and offers free, tailored support and education to those affected by gambling-related harms, including 121 therapy, couples therapy, practical help, and long-term recovery support

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11. My Story: John Robins

Tue, 04 Mar 2025 13:00:00 GMT

Hold or Fold returns for a brand new series in style with an incredible conversation with Comedian, Broadcaster and Writer, John Robins

John has had a fantastic career which has seen him scoop the Edinburgh Comedy Award and a Gold ARIA (The Audio & Radio Industry Awards), front several successful Podcasts/Radio shows and he can even boast the highest ever score on Taskmaster! But more recently, John has become known for his honesty and compassion when it comes to talking about addiction. John has battled demons around alcohol and gambling and he joins us on the show to talk about the latter as he shares words of hope and inspiration in his own inimitable style. John tells us how gambling took a hold of his life and how he was able to overcome addiction on more than one occasion, what worked for him and his recovery and how to remain positive, even in your darkest days

Here are links to John's work and some helpful organisations ...

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This episode is hosted by...

Ben Jones & Steve Girling

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10. Tracy Madlin + Series Highlights

Tue, 15 Oct 2024 12:00:00 GMT

In the series finale we hear Tracy’s incredible story. Tracy suffered breakdowns and strokes as a result of her gambling but doesn’t have any regrets as she is now at peace and most importantly….Happy!

Tracy now goes into prisons to run GA groups and provide prisoners with a safe space to talk about their addiction. She gets just as much out of it as those attending the sessions

Ben & Steve also pick their series highlights which includes a previously unheard clip from Ben’s chat with David Navarro

A huge thank you to all of our guests on this series and the fantastic organisations that have supported us too. We’d love to hear from you ahead of the next series, contact details are below…

USEFUL LINKS:

Call the National Gambling helpline, for free, on 0808 8020 133

If you would like to get in touch with Hold or Fold and ask us a question, suggest a topic or start a conversation, you can E-mail us at...

📧: Podcasts@prison.radio

💬 DM us: @holdorfoldpod on Instagram & Twitter (X)

✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF

This episode is hosted by...

Ben Jones & Steve Girling

You can find out more about the work of the 'Prison Radio Association' and 'National Prison Radio' here:

https://prison.radio/

Thanks to GambleAware for the support

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9. Cryptocurrency with Tony Marini (Castle Craig Hospital) & Stewart

Tue, 08 Oct 2024 12:00:00 GMT

One in 10 people in Britain now hold cryptocurrency but what is it? How does it work? and could it be linked to gambling?

Hold or Fold are investigating another gambling grey area as Steve & Ben explore their thoughts around crypto and welcome Tony & Stewart on to the show. Tony has had his own battles with addiction and now works as senior specialist therapist at Castle Craig Hospital in Scotland. Tony helps support people with more ‘modern’ addictions including cryptocurrency and Stewart has himself had a cryptocurrency addiction.

USEFUL LINKS:

Call the National Gambling helpline, for free, on 0808 8020 133

If you would like to get in touch with Hold or Fold and ask us a question, suggest a topic or start a conversation, you can E-mail us at...

📧: Podcasts@prison.radio

💬 DM us: @holdorfoldpod on Instagram & Twitter (X)

✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF

This episode is hosted by...

Ben Jones & Steve Girling

You can find out more about the work of the 'Prison Radio Association' and 'National Prison Radio' here:

https://prison.radio/

Thanks to GambleAware for the support

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8. Betting Shops with David Navarro & Lady Unchained

Tue, 01 Oct 2024 12:00:00 GMT

In this episode we’re looking at betting shops and the role they play in the wider gambling culture. Ben & Steve let us know if betting shops played a part within their own journeys and we hear from two people who were impacted by betting shops for very different reasons…

David lost a large amount in a betting shop and fell into a cycle of robbing them, to claim ‘revenge’ - He ended up serving a 10 year prison sentence as a result of this. Meanwhile, Lady Unchained experienced this from the other side of the counter, working in a well-known betting shop for 5 years.

USEFUL LINKS:

Call the National Gambling helpline, for free, on 0808 8020 133

If you would like to get in touch with Hold or Fold and ask us a question, suggest a topic or start a conversation, you can E-mail us at...

📧: Podcasts@prison.radio

💬 DM us: @holdorfoldpod on Instagram & Twitter (X)

✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF

This episode is hosted by...

Ben Jones & Steve Girling

You can find out more about the work of the 'Prison Radio Association' and 'National Prison Radio' here:

https://prison.radio/

Thanks to GambleAware for the support

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7. Spotlight On: Reframe Coaching + Paula from Mindfulness Space

Tue, 24 Sep 2024 12:00:00 GMT

Hold or Fold's very own Steve founded 'Reframe Coaching' alongside his wife in 2020. They had spotted a need for gambling support after treatment and now offer bespoke coaching services to those with direct experience of gambling harm as well as affected others, using the power of lived experience

This episode focuses on the journey of Reframe, how it came to be, the services offered and how you can get involved.

Reframe’s vision is for ‘Everyone to be present in their lives’ and one way of doing this is through practising mindfulness. Paula Vale began doing exactly this to help her in a battle against anxiety and depression, she now runs ‘Mindfulness Space’ and joins us on this episode to share her story, explain the many benefits of mindfulness and to lead a quick mindfulness session that you can follow along with.

USEFUL LINKS

Call the National Gambling helpline, for free, on 0808 8020 133

If you would like to get in touch with Hold or Fold and ask us a question, suggest a topic or start a conversation, you can E-mail us at...

📧: Podcasts@prison.radio

💬 DM us: @holdorfoldpod on Instagram & Twitter (X)

✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF

This episode is hosted by...

Ben Jones & Steve Girling

You can find out more about the work of the 'Prison Radio Association' and 'National Prison Radio' here:

https://prison.radio/

Thanks to GambleAware for the support

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6. Worldwide: Patrick Chester

Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:00:00 GMT

On this episode of Hold or Fold: Worldwide, Ben has a chat with Patrick Chester from the USA

Ben quickly realises that he and Patrick have many similarities in their stories. From knee injuries ending their sporting careers and leading to gambling to their partners suspecting infidelity due to their secretive behaviour.

What follows is a fascinating conversation between two people, who live thousands of miles apart in countries with entirely different gambling cultures, and find so much common ground. They share stories of growing up, trying to forge a bond with parents, how gambling impacted so drastically on their lives and how they’ve been able to come through that and turn their lives around. Patrick also shares his incredible Superbowl story which you absolutely have to hear

Patrick is another guest who represents the amazing ‘Epic Global Solutions’ - Epic have continually offered their support to ‘Hold or Fold’ and are doing amazing things to educate people and organisations on the potential dangers of gambling.

USEFUL LINKS:

Call the National Gambling helpline, for free, on 0808 8020 133

If you would like to get in touch with Hold or Fold and ask us a question, suggest a topic or start a conversation, you can E-mail us at...

📧: Podcasts@prison.radio

💬 DM us: @holdorfoldpod on Instagram & Twitter (X)

✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF

This episode is hosted by...

Ben Jones & Steve Girling

You can find out more about the work of the 'Prison Radio Association' and 'National Prison Radio' here:

https://prison.radio/

Thanks to GambleAware for the support

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5. Loot Boxes with Dave & Pavlos

Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:00:00 GMT

The gaming industry has exploded in recent years and is now worth over $270 billion worldwide. However, the improvement in graphics, depth, playability and connectivity has also seen a shift in the way we consume games but also how we pay for them and the content within them.

Some games are now ‘Freemium’ (Cost nothing to download) and offer ‘In-game purchases’ while others employ a mechanic known as ‘loot boxes’ - A chance based gameplay element which typically cost you money. Could these loot boxes become addictive? Could they result in you over-spending? and, are they classed as gambling?

One person who believes this to be the case is Dave - Dave became hooked on mobile gaming loot boxes and soon saw things spiral out of control. His addiction impacted his home life, his work life and his own personal mental health. He is joined on the show by Pavlos who works to support people with their gaming based addictions. Pavlos sets out why games are addictive and the potential issues that can arise as a result of this.

USEFUL LINKS:

Call the National Gambling helpline, for free, on 0808 8020 133

If you would like to get in touch with Hold or Fold and ask us a question, suggest a topic or start a conversation, you can E-mail us at...

📧: Podcasts@prison.radio

💬 DM us: @holdorfoldpod on Instagram & Twitter (X)

✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF

This episode is hosted by...

Ben Jones & Steve Girling

You can find out more about the work of the 'Prison Radio Association' and 'National Prison Radio' here:

https://prison.radio/

Thanks to GambleAware for the support

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4. Road to Recovery: Professor David Best

Tue, 03 Sep 2024 12:00:00 GMT

In our inaugural Recovery special we’ll be hearing from the world’s first professor of addiction recovery, David Best

David has a degree in psychology with philosophy, a masters in Criminology and a PhD in the psychology of addictions. He has also authored 3 books on addiction recovery and has written more than 170 peer-reviewed publications so it was a great honour to have him on the show. He tells us what Recovery means, how to give yourself the best chance of a successful recovery and how this might be made more difficult by being in prison.

Ben & Steve were fascinated by David’s thoughts and share their own opinions on recovery as they reflect and react throughout

USEFUL LINKS:

Call the National Gambling helpline, for free, on 0808 8020 133

If you would like to get in touch with Hold or Fold and ask us a question, suggest a topic or start a conversation, you can E-mail us at...

📧: Podcasts@prison.radio

💬 DM us: @holdorfoldpod on Instagram & Twitter (X)

✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF

This episode is hosted by...

Ben Jones & Steve Girling

You can find out more about the work of the 'Prison Radio Association' and 'National Prison Radio' here:

https://prison.radio/

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3. Spotlight On: Gordon Moody

Tue, 27 Aug 2024 12:00:00 GMT

Gordon Moody is an organisation that provides advice, counselling, online support and a structured residential treatment course to help you overcome problems caused by gambling.

Having heard the name ‘Gordon Moody’ crop up in many of the conversations we’ve had around gambling addiction in the past, we decided to pay them a visit. Co-Host Ben travelled to both the Women’s and the Men’s residential treatment centres in the Midlands where he met with Jemma, Lisa and Andy. All of whom have had their own brushes with the criminal justice system as a result of their gambling and completed the residential programmes at Gordon Moody

Ben got a full tour of the both centres and was incredibly impressed with the work that goes on there, he later reflects on how useful it could have been during his own recovery.

A huge thank you to Gordon Moody for opening their doors to us and also to Jemma, Lisa, Andy, Harp & Hodan for sharing their stories and to Alyson and Sam for arranging the visit

USEFUL LINKS:

Call the National Gambling helpline, for free, on 0808 8020 133

If you found anything in this episode triggering and need someone to talk to, you can call the Samaritans on 116 123

If you would like to get in touch with Hold or Fold and ask us a question, suggest a topic or start a conversation, you can E-mail us at...

📧: Podcasts@prison.radio

💬 DM us: @holdorfoldpod on Instagram & Twitter (X)

✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF

This episode is hosted by...

Ben Jones & Steve Girling

You can find out more about the work of the 'Prison Radio Association' and 'National Prison Radio' here:

https://prison.radio/

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2. My Story: Steven Caulker

Tue, 20 Aug 2024 12:00:00 GMT

Professional footballer Steven Caulker has had quite the career. Since signing his first professional contract at Tottenham Hotspur he has played for the likes of Liverpool, Southampton, Cardiff City, Swansea City, Wigan Athletic & Malaga City. A promising start to his career led to him being selected for the England national side as well as the Great Britain Olympic team.

Steven’s competitive edge and addictive personality eventually led him down some dark paths and before long gambling, alcohol and depression were major factors in his life.

On this episode of ‘Hold or Fold’ Steven talks candidly about how he first got into football, signing that first contract, scoring on his England debut and the issues his gambling addiction caused him. Steven has now turned a corner in his life and is able to reflect on how his addictions stifled his career progression and what he learned on his road to recovery.

Discussion points…

Steven talks about ‘that’ Ibrahimovich goal

His premier league debut for Swansea

How Gambler’s Anonymous has supported him

USEFUL LINKS:

Call the National Gambling helpline, for free, on 0808 8020 133

If you would like to get in touch with Hold or Fold and ask us a question, suggest a topic or start a conversation, you can E-mail us at...

📧: Podcasts@prison.radio

💬 DM us: @holdorfoldpod on Instagram & Twitter (X)

✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF

This episode is hosted by...

Ben Jones & Steve Girling

You can find out more about the work of the 'Prison Radio Association' and 'National Prison Radio' here:

https://prison.radio/

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1. Introducing Ben & Steve

Tue, 13 Aug 2024 12:00:00 GMT

After two successful series broadcast exclusively on National Prison Radio - ‘Hold or Fold’ is now available to everyone

'Hold or Fold' explores gambling harm with an emphasis on the criminal justice system, your hosts Ben & Steve have both served time in prison as a direct result of their gambling. In this first episode they are introducing themselves to you, a brand new audience.

They candidly share what got them into gambling, how it escalated and why this led to a prison sentence. What was that first night in prison like? How did they cope? and how were they able to turn their adversity into a positive?

Plus, Ben & Steve will be taking their first listener question in ‘Cards On the Table’ - We’d love to hear your questions too. To do this, use the links below

USEFUL LINKS:

Call the National Gambling helpline, for free, on 0808 8020 133

If you would like to get in touch with Hold or Fold and ask us a question, suggest a topic or start a conversation, you can E-mail us at...

📧: Podcasts@prison.radio

💬 DM us: @holdorfoldpod on Instagram & Twitter (X)

✉️ Write to us: Life After Prison, National Prison Radio, HMP Brixton, London SW2 5XF

This episode is hosted by...

Ben Jones & Steve Girling

...And is funded by 'Gambleaware'

You can find out more about the work of the 'Prison Radio Association' and 'National Prison Radio' here:

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Introducing Hold or Fold

Thu, 01 Aug 2024 12:44:00 GMT

A podcast for anyone who has suffered from gambling related harm.

'Hold or Fold' explores the 'hidden addiction' that is gambling with a keen eye on how this affects those with experience of the Criminal Justice System.

Your hosts Ben & Steve both spent time in prison as a direct result of their gambling addiction - On Hold or Fold they share the stories of people who, like them, have been taken to the brink by gambling. You'll hear how gambling took a hold of people's lives, the dark places this led them to and how they were able to embark on the road to recovery.

This is part of the 'Life After Prison' podcast network from the multi-award winning 'National Prison Radio'

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