Key Points From This Episode:

• Hear how Brian was drawn to photographing toys, a passion that started at a young age.
• What it’s like to be working in an active war zone; it’s an addicting experience.
• The long road Brian walked to finally get to work in a war zone – It took 15 years to get there.
• What Brian believes the hook of his work – which at first glance seems trite – ultimately is.
• Brian’s relationship with toy manufacturers and the support they provide him.
• Forming the War Toys non-profit; why Brian finally decided to launch it last year and their pilot project.
• The interesting connection Brian has seen between toy guns and active war zones.
• War zones reveal both the primal and deeply hopeful nature of human beings.
• How religion affects the work Brian does and what he has learned along the way.
• The difficulty that comes with trying to find children again in high conflict areas and war zones.
• Find out how the lessons Brian has learned from his work have helped him in the pandemic.
• How Brian is using this newfound time seeing as he is unable to travel.
• Donating to War Toys; what the money will be used for.
• Some important photographers like Chris Hondros and Dickey Chapelle Brian hopes to honor.
• Why Brian doesn’t think that the media will be protected in war zones again.
• Insights into DesignerCon and why Brian is so excited about what is happening in the space.
• What Brian’s day-to-day looks like and how he stays disciplined.
• Brian’s fundraising goal for 2021 and the work he hopes to do going forward.
• Children in war zones need to be taught emotional literacy because they are often detached from their feelings.
• Capturing the work; how filming has formed a part of Brian’s project.
• Where to find Brian and War Toys online.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/brian-mcCarty

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Hear some of the creative ways Ric’key and Dessy have adapted to these trying times.
• The time that we all have now is a blessing if we can use it well.
• Ric’key and Dessy’s skepticism around the vaccine and why they would still take it.
• How Ric’key and Dessy’s respective families are doing during the pandemic.
• Why Ric’key and Dessy decided to create Soulful Jazz Brunch and the reception to the event.
• The decision to not charge a fee for Soulful Jazz Brunch; wanting to make content accessible.
• The importance of engaging with your virtual audience to create connection.
• An idea Ric’key has to release an album of all the songs they recorded during the pandemic.
• When Ric’key and Dessy finally found their stride with live streaming.
• The major improvements Ric’key and Dessy have seen getting to perform every week.
• Some of the technical difficulties Ric’key and Dessy have faced going virtual.
• Work Ric’key is doing to get back to his classical music roots and some incredible discoveries he’s made.
• Hear about the progress Ric’key has made with his upcoming movie project.
• Why Ric’key wants to give back at this stage in his career and ways he plans on doing so.
• Ric’key’s experience at McGill University, where there were very few Black students.
• Why Dessy feels even though conversations around race and police brutality are important, they are not enough.
• How Ric’key and Dessy believe you can spread hope in these difficult times.
• The hope that Sourdough has for his kids, who are growing up in a world different to his.
• The problems the U.S. is currently grappling with are not unique to the country; they are global issues.
• Where to find Parlor Social online and what they have in the pipeline.
• Dessy’s words of comfort to her fellow artists: Be kind to yourself in this hard time.
• Find out about the line of skincare products Dessy has created.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/ric’key-pageot-dessy-di-lauro

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Key Points From This Episode:

• The campaign Robert is working on to protest the Pebble Mine in South West Alaska.
• Robert’s book, Southwest Alaska, which talks about overfishing in Crystal Bay.
• Saving San Ignacio Lagoon with Joel Reynolds from the NRDC and recruiting him for the Southwest Alaska work.
• The multi-tiered nature of the campaigns Robert works on; drawing on multiple channels.
• The funds necessary to launch these big campaigns which groups smaller than the NRDC wouldn’t manage.
• The power of branding to spread public awareness about bad practices.
• Differences in quality between wild and farmed salmon and Robert’s adventures with Alaskan locals.
• Robert’s experiences shooting famous bands in LA in the 1960s.
• How Robert got the idea to transition into environmental photography on the way back from Monterey Pop.
• Moving to the East Coast to work on a project in the Hudson River Valley.
• Photographing destructive practices in the Hudson River Valley and getting published by Aperture.
• Passing the largest timber reform bill in the U.S’s history during the Tongass Rainforest Project.
• Getting invited onto the board of the American Land Conservancy and helping save Limekiln Creek.
• Robert’s ‘method’ involving simply taking pictures and falling into one project after another.
• Using contrasting images of natural beauty and destruction in campaigns.
• How Robert realized the power of photography after photos of his caused real changes.
• Founding the International League of Conservation Photographers.
• The need for artists with great ideas to secure funding and how Robert did this.
• Events related to the publicity and funding of the Tongass Rainforest Project.
• Some of the books that Robert has published and collections he has curated.
• Getting invited by Robert Redford to be an artist in residence at his Sundance Institute.
• An expedition on William E. Simon’s private yacht through the Northwest Passage.
• How Robert convinced Bill Simon that the Tongass logging was not ethical.
• The story of finding out about Suzhou embroidery prowess and getting photos translated into textiles. 
• How Robert is incorporating his knowledge of Chinese silk into clothing products.
• The story behind the print Sourdough bought from Robert depicting Arctic diurnal fog.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/robert-glenn-ketchum

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Introducing muralist Erin Yoshi and her new project fighting climate change, The Land of WE.
• Erin’s love of podcasts, the types she listens to, and some of her experiences as a guest.
• Discipline, being a mom, and how Erin has been dealing with the logistics of being an artist.
• How Erin got her work ethic and skills in the business and creative sides of art.
• The story of how Erin’s mural career evolved, starting from an erasable board her dad bought her.
• Being scrappy and how a career in art is a slow journey with no overnight success.
• The need for artists to enjoy the craziness of the struggle that comes with being an artist.
• Tough love as a parent and lessons Erin learned from her dad that made her a better artist
• Themes of the fight for justice and against prejudice; the story of Erin’s family history.
• Erin’s consideration of herself as an activist and some of her work in this area.
• How Erin became ED of the Estria Foundation and the environmental activism work they did.
• The extent that religion impacts humankind’s ability to manage its natural resources.
• The myth of the political right versus the left: A way of distracting the masses from their similarity.
• Pros and cons of capitalism and Erin’s belief that a post-capitalist world is coming.
• ‘Remembering forward’: How Erin applies this principle to advocate for more sustainability.
• The idea that more sustainable solutions already exist, we just need to incorporate them.
• The need for governments to support sustainable initiatives so they aren’t so expensive.
• Localized solutions and the need for systems that allow local leaders.
• Warnings to be found in bizarre natural disasters that sound like sci-fi but are real.
• The role of the artist in these times of crisis as storytellers and history keepers.
• What The Land of WE is doing to use art to celebrate and spread stories about more sustainable practices.
• How bad modernity is for mental health.
• The power of art to pierce the soul, making it such a powerful too right now.
• What the rollout of the first phase of The Land of WE will look like; murals, billboards, and more.
• Where to find Erin and her project online to learn more and get involved.
• Erin’s skill for grant writing and her love of sharing this knowledge.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/erin-yoshi

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Key Points From This Episode:

• The notion of indivisibility and what it means to Mary and Joshua.
• Joshua’s interest in his American identity and America, having grown up abroad.
• The pride Joshua felt when Obama was president and the strides made toward indivisibility.
• Mary’s experience with protesting, having been raised in a politically active home.
• Why Mary is so passionate about creating change locally.
• Mary’s motivation for participating in Indivisible 2020 and other political work she has done.
• Hear more about the work that Mary submitted to Indivisible.
• The photograph that Josh has in the show and the meaning behind it.
• Why Joshua feels we should have hope even though America is in a state of decline.
• Mary’s apprehension and feeling of nervousness around the protection of the court system.
• Joshua’s faith in the court system and why he feels this way.
• The worry Mary feels about the fact that there is not a common source of legitimate news.
• The deep sense of aspiration synonymous with America that Josh felt during his activist work.
• Viewing the current moment with an understanding of historical context.
• Mary’s take on the two-party system and how it makes people disillusioned with democracy.
• What Mary thinks needs to happen in the Democratic Party for meaningful change to occur.
• How capitalism has made the idea of the common good so politicized.
• Mary’s experience of political conservatism in other countries compared to America.
• Karen’s experience of having a Republican supporting father and stepmother.
• Why Joshua–as a lawyer–is so concerned about what the Trump legal team is doing.
• The duty we have to call people who work for or with Trump out as racist sympathizers.
• America’s limited conception of reproductive rights and supporting women more comprehensively.
• The US no longer holds collective activity up as an ideal.
• How American exceptionalism has hurt the country in many ways.
• Final words from Mary about hope and continuing to fight battles.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/mary-sherwood-brock-joshua-wattles

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Key Points From This Episode:

• What indivisible means to Anna and the difficulty she has living in a very red state.
• Why Anna and Ted feel unsafe to express their liberal political views where they live.
• The meaning of indivisibility to Erin and the work she feels needs to be done in this area.
• Moving away from the ‘oppression Olympics’ and seeing the humanity in everyone.
• Kalynn’s understanding of indivisibility and how he thinks we can work towards it.
• The inspiration Kalynn has drawn from the murals that have come from Black Lives Matter.
• Ted’s understanding of the ‘Other’ and its origins as a social construct.
• Why Erin is most inspired by poster art and murals over the recent years.
• Finding hope in troubled times – How Anna and Kalynn are digging deep in the current moment.
• How people who would have preferred Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren as the presidential candidate are choosing to vote.
• Erin’s empathy for people who feel frustrated with the Democratic Party.
• Hear Erin’s take on the Democratic Party’s strategy for choosing a center-right candidate like Biden.
• All the gerrymandering and voter suppression tactics are a sign that things are changing.
• Why Erin feels that hopelessness is a good sign and how it in turn makes her feel hopeful.
• Ted’s feeling at the Republican Party’s hypocrisy undoing the separation of church and state.
• The intersectionality of the social issues we face today.
• Erin’s experience of the orange sky in San Francisco during the wildfires.
• Anna, Ted, Kalynn, and Sourdough’s personal experience of climate change. 
• The hypocrisy of the ruling party given the fact that the military is preparing for climate change.
• Lessons in consuming less that we can take from the pandemic.
• Why Ted doesn’t have much faith in enduring long-term positive change post-pandemic.
• The urgency of climate change and why we all need to make changes now.
• Hear more about Ted, Erin, Anna, and Kalynn’s work they submitted to Indivisible 2020.
• Where to find everyone online and projects the guests have in the pipeline. 

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/anna-stump-erin-yoshi-ted-meyer-kalynn-campbell

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Key Points From This Episode:

• What attracted Linda to participate in Indivisible 2020.
• The changing recognition of socio-political imagery in the mainstream art world.
• Man One’s desire to be a participating artist in Indivisible 2020 and what indivisibility means to him.
• Unpacking the myth of indivisibility that Americans have been indoctrinated into believing.
• The underrepresentation of the Latinx community in LA, despite their being almost half the city’s population.
• Unskilled versus essential workers: An example of how language can shift meaning greatly.
• Questioning the need to make oaths which Americans do from a young age.
• Man One’s disillusionment with the Catholic church and institutions generally.
• The tension within the Latinx community between religion and political views.
• How religion has been a part of Man One’s family’s life and how it’s shifted during the pandemic.
• Linda’s experience of traveling as a woman of color and what she learned.
• Hear Linda’s expanded understanding of what it means to be a socio-political artist.
• Linda’s Big Boy ‘Muchachote’ work and how it took Man One back to his childhood.
• Learn more about Linda’s work repurposing objects and representing them as Latinx.
• The colorism within the Latinx community and reactions to Linda’s work.
• Unpacking whiteness and fair skin as aspirational and how this can be overcome.
• Man One’s experience of being a dark-skinned Mexican and the perceptions people have of him.
• Why Linda believes that everyone needs to go to college and get a graduate degree, if possible.
• Being Latinx with a college education and the weight that this holds.
• Hierarchies that are built into every structure from families to the workplace.
• Man One’s rationale for using lots of color in his work and how people react to this.
• The link between beauty and wealth and how it has evolved over time.
• Linda’s take on humanity’s thirst for violence and war.
• Diversity is not about getting everyone to think the same; it’s about living together while being different.
• The beauty of embracing differences and learning from people who think differently from you.
• Man One and Linda’s upcoming work.
• Addressing the Sasquatch in Linda’s studio.
• Final words from Linda and Man One.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/linda-vallejo-man-one

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Key Points From This Episode:

• The motivation for curating Indivisible 2020, a political art exhibition.
• Some of the artists participating in the show and upcoming guests on the podcast.
• Leroy’s understanding of indivisibility and how he feels artists have been deceived.
• Our human-centric view that is fueled by capitalism.
• Leroy’s disappointment in some artists who hold back from speaking out.
• The permanence of art and how we have lost the cultural value of creative work.
• The choice that artists have to make to truly speak out against the system.
• How Karen and Leroy met, over 20 years ago.
• What excited Karen, as the curator, about including Leroy in the Indivisible show.
• Leroy’s supportive family and growing up in an extremely diverse neighborhood.
• The superficiality of art currently and the lack of historical memory.
• Why artists are not entertainers and should not create only to entertain.
• Why, no matter how bad things get in America, Leroy would never leave.
• Leroy’s take on artist activism in the 60s compared to now.
• The loss of community among artists and the prevalence of individualistic thinking.
• Artists are exploited at every level, from buying materials to the end product.
• Leroy’s take on meditation and the role it plays in his life.
• Why the notion of the common good is becoming increasingly difficult to get behind.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/leroy-johnson

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Key Points From This Episode:

• The hustle of making art and how David lived in his car partially after finishing art school.
• Balancing commercial work and his personal art: An ongoing theme in David’s life.
• David’s love of old school hip hop album covers and how that got him into design.
• How David drew inspiration from LA Art Week, hip hop tapes, and a lucite embedment for his art project, Rhyme Capsule.
• The evolution of Rhyme Capsule and how the planned materials changed while working out how to accomplish it.
• Arriving at embedding hip hop tapes into crystal after many different iterations.
• Calling different people who embed objects into crystal and finally finding somebody in NYC.
• Meticulously designing the sculpture digitally before sending the designs to be cut.
• Trouble around contractors taking creative liberty on the implementation of David’s design.
• The boombox aspect of the sculpture and how David added its coolest features as an afterthought.
• Timelines for cutting the crystal and how David flew to NYC to do the finishing touches.
• How David got the idea to mount the sculpture on a Greek-style marble statue.
• The challenges involved in outsourcing the cutting of the statue and transporting it.
• David’s thinking behind the embedded tapes in the sculpture and how he got the rare ones.
• How Prince might react to David’s sculpture and how he made Dave a better artist.
• How David met Prince and ended up working with him after jamming at a rehearsal.
• Commercializing Rhyme Capsule: Opportunities, pricing, and when to cut friends deals.
• How people have responded to Rhyme Capsule and David’s plans to show it.
• David’s plans to make more versions of Rhyme Capsule and lessons he’ll apply.
• Lessons David learned about the hidden successes in failure through this process.
• The challenges of COVID and the fires, and some hidden blessing in between.
• What is going on with David’s music pursuits and some recent gigs he has played for Prince.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/david-schwartz

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Struggles Tijera faced growing up, how she found the NRA grant, and her elation at receiving it.
• Tijera’s tendency to speak her mind and how it plays out in her relationships.
• Perspectives on the current political climate and who to vote for.
• How Tijera transitioned into making aesthetic work that was also political.
• The need to be politicized as artists and the justice that can come from this type of art.
• The way that perception of artists changes when they make the transition to making politicized art.
• Critical thinking, seeing blind spots, and other superpowers around perception artists have.
• Balancing work with art and Tijera’s experiences getting a job at EDD and working there.
• Protests around the killing of Ahmaud Arbery and how this put a spotlight on Black artists like Tijera.
• Getting inspiration from odd jobs and Tijera’s experiences working different ones.
• How Tijera has explored her lineage and this fuels her passion for learning languages.
• Learning a language as a way of accessing empathy for a culture, and feeling authorized to make art about it.
• Tijera’s incorporation of photography and visual conversations with her artist icons into her work.
• What the process of creating a work looks like for Tijera and what her newest work involves.
• Forgetting to eat while making art due to focus and the beauty of time stopping in this way.
• What self-care looks like to Tijera and how art, while being demanding, can also be a form of therapy.
• Tijera’s faith, experiences with religion, and the idea that no religion is superior.
• Perspectives around wanting peace but being willing to fight to stop injustice.
• Protecting yourself by investing your money and education rather than carrying a gun.
• A class project where Tijera made a hybrid painting and how this collage style has evolved in her work.
• Perspectives on the idea that the sudden interest in ‘Black’ art is opportunistic.
• Tijera’s experiences at college in a syllabus and institution that didn’t celebrate Black art.
• How white people can use institutional racism against itself to help protect Black people.
• The danger that Black people are in every day in America and the need for equality.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/tijera-williams

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Key Points From This Episode:

• The roots of Miki’s ethereal art and how she channels essences by working from her heart.
• Miki’s process involving drawing and how old she was when she started making art.
• The profound, metaphysical ideas about life and the world that made Miki want to start making art.
• Perceived reality as a reflection of your inner state which is shaped by your environment.
• How art and music can help us clear the feelings we have inside ourselves.
• Miki’s discomfort after incorporating color into her work and how she overcame it.
• The creative tendencies of Miki’s parents and her thoughts on taking after them.
• Art as something bigger than painting and how this idea influences Miki’s process.
• Miki’s subconscious thought process as she paints and how her birthplace influences it.
• How Miki wanted to study art and music and why her parents were reluctant to allow this.
• Miki’s experiences studying English at university, meeting her husband, and why she came to America.
• The language of the heart and how it allows us to communicate beyond language.
• Current projects Miki is involved with; an online art show and a storybook.
• How Miki deals with the commercial side of her art business.
• Miki’s incorporation of fabric and life drawing into her art and how this fits into her view of art.
• Which music inspires Miki the most and what she likes listening to while working.
• The process of Miki moving from making 2D to 3D objects.
• How Miki heard about the NRA grant and how she felt when she got awarded it.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/miki-yokoyama

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Hear how you can apply for the 2021 NRA Grant – It’s free!
• Kiara’s productivity during this time, and how having a home studio has helped her stay focused.
• The importance of using this time to reflect and ensure we’re contributing to history positively.
• How powerful social media is in mobilizing people and contributing to change.
• Kiara’s identity as Central American and how this influences the work she makes.
• The role of spirituality in Kiara’s life, and the spiritual nature of the botanicals in her work.
• Why Kiara is drawn to painting women and representing a range of women in her work.
• Factors that contribute to the homogenous representation and understanding of Latinx culture.
• The supportive role that Kiara’s family has played in her career as an artist.
• The pressure Kiara put in herself for not pursuing a ‘conventional career.’
• Showing up every day and not waiting for inspiration to strike.
• Why Kiara believes that the business side of art should be taught at art schools.
• Kiara’s process of applying for grants and the challenges she has faced with this.
• How Kiara finds community and the importance of safe spaces for her.
• NRA Grant’s role in bringing artists together and how Kiara felt receiving it.
• What Kiara is working on at the moment, and where she’ll be showing work.
• What the phrase, ‘Not Real Art’ means to Kiara. 

See Kiara's artwork, learn more and hear the entire episode here: https://notrealart.com/kiara-machado

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Key Points From This Episode:

• A reminder to vote; voting for Biden even if you do not like him as a vote against Trump.
• What Paloma was doing when she found out she was a recipient of the NRA grant.
• How Paloma’s work has been affected by the lockdowns; productivity, commissions, and events.
• The last corporate job Paloma did for Converse to celebrate Hispanic Heritage Month.
• Paloma’s feelings toward Instagram as a social media platform and marketing tool.
• Anxiety around IRL art networking and whether Paloma is that affected by this.
• Paloma’s perspectives on her art and how it contains a tension between darkness and satire.
• What inspired Paloma’s character Lola and her different iterations and messages.
• Paloma’s journey trying to stay committed to art amongst pressures to get a real job.
• Art as a transcendental and therapeutic experience for Paloma.
• Challenges presented by the business side of art and how Paloma copes with them.
• Keeping inspiration up; how Paloma keeps up with managing routines of creating work.
• The value of self-care which challenges the capitalist idea of constant production.
• Believing in gods versus in the power of oneself; Paloma’s thoughts on spirituality.
• Where Paloma heard about the NRA grant and her thoughts on its name.
• The snobbishness of ‘high art’ and how the ‘Not Real Art’ name critiques it.
• Where to find Paloma’s work online to learn more about what she does.
• What Paloma is busy with right now and some new projects on the horizon for her.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com//paloma-montoya

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Don't waste time, and register to vote for this historic election.
• The lowrider podcast that Jacqueline is a fan of.
• Hear more about Jacqueline’s passion for lowriding culture and what she’s learned from it.
• What Jacqueline enjoys most about working on her car.
• There have been and are more women in the lowrider scene than most people realize.
• Some of the lowrider women that Jacqueline pays homage to in her art.
• Hear a bit of the origin story of the lowriding culture.
• The role that storytelling plays in Jacqueline’s art and how she gets people to connect with her work.
• How Jacqueline’s immigrant parents have supported her art career.
• Hear more about Jacqueline’s parents’ background and where they’re from in Mexico.
• How Jacqueline and her family are dealing with the pandemic and how her productivity is holding up.
• Details about Jacqueline’s solo show and the biggest painting she recently sold.
• Jacqueline’s approach to her work and where she got her strong work ethic from.
• How Jacqueline found out about the NRA Grant.
• Jacqueline’s take on politics and what’s happening in the space now.
• Not Real Art’s dedication to celebrating artists that are often overlooked. 

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Hear more about some of the latest offerings from Not Real Art.
• This is the most consequential election in our history, so register in time to vote!
• The story of how Gershon’s family ended up in Peru and his experience growing up in Lima.
• Why Gershon has aimed to make his work as neutral and transcendental as possible.
• Gershon’s journey of finding universality in his work and his breakthrough moment.
• How Gershon approaches directing his models and how he gets the desired reaction.
• What Gershon means when he says he ‘tries to avoid photography.’
• How the pandemic has affected Gershon’s creative process.
• Gershon’s experience with one of his teachers, Boris Frumin.
• Some of the hard lessons Gershon has learned about the business side of art.
• How Gershon tackles the business-related tasks of being an artist.
• Gershon’s model recruitment process and how he uses Instagram to find people.
• Hear more about Gershon’s struggles with depression and anxiety and his self-care rituals.
• Gershon’s schooling experience and why he hated his school.
• How to find Gershon online, and why he’s become so politically outspoken on his Instagram.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/gershon-kreimer

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She threw herself into the deep end and pursued a Masters degree in England and worked in various roles before the Explorers Club. We also learn more about the fascinating history of the club and the mission it was founded on. It is easy to think that with technology now, we have seen all there is to see. This could not be further from the truth. There are so many corners of the Earth we have not yet been, and part of Lacey’s role is to create a dialogue with the community about exploration. Museums are not static places. Instead, they have to evolve and adapt to their audiences and be places of engagement. While this is a challenge, especially when balancing member’s interests, it is something that excites Lacey most about her job. We also discuss the role of art and photography in expeditions and the incredible obstacles artists had to overcome to capture what they saw, how Lacey navigates displaying all the artifacts, and the importance of telling the other side of historical narratives. Lacey’s passion is contagious, and we took so much away from our conversation. Be sure to tune in today!

Key Points From This Episode:

• Learn about Lacey’s background and how she ended up becoming an archivist and curator
• Find out the educational requirements necessary to work as a curator and Lacey’s studies.
• Lacey’s favorite area of study during her Master’s degree.
• Why it is important to rethink the role that museums play in society.
• The history of the Explorers Club and the people Lacey interacts with and works with.
• Some of the Old Guard, New Guard tensions Lacey faces at her job, such as taxidermy.
• What the Map Room in the Explorers Club is and the story behind it.
• There is so much of the world that’s still left to explore, so cartography is not dead!
• The art that’s exhibited at the Explorers Club and being an artist on an expedition.
• The evolution of photography and the role it has played in exploration throughout history.
• Find out more about storage at the Explorers Club and creative ways to display artifacts.
• Why Lacey is passionate about accessibility and what she’s doing to advance it in her work.
• How often Lacey finds bugs in the archived books.

For more information and photos, visit here: https://notrealart.com/explorers-club-lacey-flint

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As someone who values friendships and connections, they have always opened up great opportunities for him. We also do a deep dive into the world of hip hop, and Dan and host Sourdough share their experiences of discovering the genre and the impact that it had on them. Listening to hip hop was a formative experience for both of them. They learned about new worlds and issues they'd not been exposed to before. They also discuss how the foundation of hip hop is being diluted, which they attribute to the kind of capitalist society we live in. It has become about growing wealth at whatever cost, rather than remaining true to a message. Dan and Sourdough extend this discussion by touching on politics and the harsh capitalist message being spread today. The world is growing increasingly unkind to many, while a select few benefit disproportionately. Along with this, we also talk about the importance of acknowledging those who came before you, why creating with integrity is more important than being famous, and the many activities that Dan is up to. We loved having Dan on the show, and we already can’t wait to have him back. Be sure to tune in today!

Key Points From This Episode:

• How Man One and Sourdough are holding up during coronavirus.
• Find out what Dan’s typical week looks like as a multi-talented musician.
• Dan’s upbringing and his early formative musical influences from his dad and sister.
• The power of connection: How Dan got his musical start through friendships.
• Where Dan draws his inspiration from and why he gravitates to the music he does.
• How the music industry has changed and the difficulties musicians face making a living.
• Learn how often Dan looks for records and some of the DJ gigs he plays around LA.
• What Sourdough and Dan listen to on Apple Music and what they’re most excited about.
• Insights into Sourdough’s musical journey and how he discovered hip hop.
• Some of Dan’s earliest hip hop influences and how it opened up his musical world.
• The tension between influence and inspiration and outright stealing.
• Early hip hop’s influence on culture has been unprecedented.
• Why Dan feels like the message and purpose of hip hop is continually being diluted.
• It's so important to learn from those who came before you and understand history.
• Dan’s vision for 2020 and how he always remains as positive as he is.
• What Dan and Sourdough feel about Trump and the message that he’s propagating.
• The engine of capitalism is corrupting society at large as well as art.
• Even if you’re not feeling inspired, create anyway and something will still come of it.
• Why Dan likes to collaborate with others when creating music.

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Thoughts on living your best quarantine life and getting fired from homeschooling your kids.
• Hear about Bret’s childhood that acted as a catalyst for his becoming a psychotherapist. 
• Are we living in the most stressful time in history? And how artists are currently dealing with it.
• Get an idea of what therapists in the competitive Los Angeles area are charging right now.
• The most common frustration that artists experience: having to compete and play the game.
• How getting your art seen, read, or heard is the most challenging part of being an artist.
• Find out how Bret’s experience in the art world set him up to help his clients in unique ways.
• The relationship between discovering your purpose and becoming settled in your identity.
• Practical advice for taking care of your mental health, even if you can’t afford therapy.
• The irony of human beings being more disconnected than ever in the age of social media.
• Why it is so difficult for us to take responsibility for the part we play in difficult situations.
• Taking control of what you can and accepting the things that you can’t.
• Strategies for protecting yourself from the stress of working with challenging clients.
• Why it is perfectly normal for human beings to have “crutches” to help us navigate life.
• Bret’s thoughts on using marijuana to self-medicate: healthy versus problematic behavior.
• Guidelines for getting the most out of your therapy sessions: dress code, timing, and more.
• Core drivers of stress: having unrealistic expectations about your work and happiness.
• The importance of reminding yourself about the reason you do something and for who.
• Finding the balance between loving the process and suffering through the difficult parts.
• Chasing money versus pursuing a meaningful career and where luck fits into it all.
• Should everybody get a trophy? And other thoughts on rewarding performance. 
• Having realistic expectations for your craft and understanding the amount of effort it takes.
• Why people who are passionate and love their work are more susceptible to exploitation.

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When you look at his paintings and house designs, there is a recognizable narrative running through all of them, and this he ascribes to being intentional and consistent in the atmosphere he wants his work to exude. Despite these noticeable traits, he does believe in experimenting with different things and seeing how the audience responds to new approaches. For him, that is part of the artist’s journey and the constant quest to find out which innovations resonate with people. On a more practical note, Linc talks about time management, selling on social media, contracts and agreements with galleries, and why there is no getting away from hard work if you want to be a successful artist.

Key Points From This Episode:

• Thoughts on Art Basel 2019, the different venues, and the smaller satellite shows.
• Showing at different galleries globally, his sales, and developing a unique technique. 
• Linc’s formal education in both art and architecture, and being influenced by minimalism. 
• Learning to see the world differently and how it ties into his motivation for creating art.
• Applying the principles of positive energy and minimalism also to his architectural designs.
• Being hired as an architect with an art background to bring his unique aesthetic.
• Remaining consistent in the through-line and narrative in his work.
• The importance of having a relationship with his clients.
• Balancing all facets of life by learning to use time efficiently and finding an effective workflow.
• Receiving awards and widespread publicity for renovating a church into a home.
• How his artistic career has benefited from his ability to be pragmatic and rational.
• The elusive art world, the constant search for answers, and understanding what people want.   
• Partnerships with galleries, the value they bring, and how they fit into his future growth.
• How contracts and agreements work in the context of selling through his own studio.
• Thoughts on consignment sales and carrying risk from the galleries’ perspective.
• Selling work on social media, posting intervals, and the type of content on his feed.
• The study on circles, experimenting with new ideas and testing people’s responses.
• Managing stress by having checklists of tasks that address the source of the stress.   
• Using time efficiently while realizing that there is no substitute for hard work and dedication.
• The pivotal point when the economy crashed and he went broke as a single parent.
• Ideas around how the art world can go about attracting new art buyers.

For more information, see photos or read the whole interview, visit our website:

https://notrealart.com/linc-thelen-shares-his-artistic-journey

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By giving your time and work away for free, you devalue yourself and other artists by extension. Stand up for yourself, be firm, and trust in your work. As artists who have seen it all, Man One and Sourdough’s advice is certainly worth tuning in for. Join us today!

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Key Points From This Episode:

• The story behind Man One’s art feature in The Rookie and other Hollywood appearances.
• How Man One got his break in the film industry and some of his false starts.
• Learn how Man One was cast in a Burt Reynolds’ film and why the character had to change.
• Hollywood has not made enough effort to understand graffiti culture.
• Man One nearly painted a portrait of Burt Reynolds and his grandson.
• The downside of Hollywood and how they treat artists.
• Have integrity and do not sell yourself short!
• The nature of social media leads people to believe art is free.
• Never lose your power to walk away.
• See your art from a brand’s point of view and figure out the price from there.
• Don’t dwell on gigs you haven’t secured. It's a numbers game, so keep going.
• Charge a nominal spec fee. Don't do anything for free.

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To read the whole story, get more info and links, go to: https://notrealart.com/not-real-art-talks-to-artists-marguerite-kalhor-monica-leal-cueva-juliana-bustillo-and-jessie-noguchi

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We also learn more about muses and the different relationships you can have with them. For some people, the connection can be so intense that it takes them a while to recalibrate, while for others, readjusting is easier. Eben talks about why he thinks so many people are afraid to create, the importance of belonging to different communities, and why the creative journey rather than the product is the gift. We could not be prouder to have given such a great artist the NRA 2019 grant and we know exciting things are on the horizon for him.

For this and much more visit: https://notrealart.com/not-real-art-talks-to-artist-eben-eldridge-2019-art-grant-recipient

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Tuning in to this episode, you will hear from artists Rachel O’Donnell, Beth Abaravich, Edmund Arevalo, and Thony Loui who discuss their experience of applying for and winning the grant, where they go to learn about available grants, and fighting the paralyzing fear that often prevents artists from putting themselves out there. They also talk about the challenges they face as full-time small business owners, dealing with the financial and administrative tasks, connecting with the art community, and making time to be inspired by the work of others. Each of our guests also discusses their artistic journey, the development of their style, and the social-political messages they wish to send into the world. For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/not-real-art-celebrates-2019-artist-grant-winners-rachel-odonnell-beth-abaravich-edmund-arevalo-thony-loui/

Key Points From This Episode:

• Background info on the NRA video production project filmed at the Art Share L.A.
• Cheyenne on launching the grant and their longstanding commitment to supporting artists.
• The number and type of grants our four guests typically apply for annually.
• How they experienced the application process and finding out that they had won.
• The crippling fear and tendency to overthink that prevent many artists from applying. 
• Where they go to find grants, including the California Arts Council.
• The joy of being able to spend the grant money in whichever way they choose.
• The challenge of monetizing art, getting paid, and learning the business side of things.
• Juggling the various responsibilities involved in operating a full-time small business.
• Thony on his involvement in the community in Haiti and his work with Conan O’Brien. 
• Beth on choosing between Bob Mackie and Rampage after graduating from Otis College.
• Transitioning from fashion to art, getting her MFA, and how she combines the two fields.
• Common pain points for artists: from copyright dilemmas to writing about your own art.
• An explanation of Rachel’s figurative work deconstructing the feminine.
• How Edmund’s work reflects the “push and pull” of his Filipino-American culture. 
• An explanation about the absence of people in Thony’s work. 

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But they advise listeners to assume a position of cautious optimism rather than buying into the blind optimism we often see from the talking heads on TV, and they share how gaining a bird’s eye view on situations helps to mitigate anxiety. The two play a game where Sourdough has to guess what piece of fitness equipment Man One bought for the studio, and after a few incorrect guesses, Sourdough finally gets it. This is, they believe, the first step to getting back into shape, or at least to get Man One down from morbidly obese to obese. These are some of our 2020 goals – tune in to hear more!

For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/not-real-art-fights-morbid-obesity-more-good-news

Key Points From This Episode:

• Our gratitude for the many positive reviews we’ve been getting on iTunes.
• Talking “art”, bantering, and why we like recording the podcast in the evening.
• Expectations for 2020: a jam-packed year, frequent traveling, and lots of chaos in the mix.
• The “cult” of optimism we often observe in the talking heads and media.
• Assuming a position of cautious optimism rather than being blindly optimistic.
• The advantage of getting a bird’s eye view on a situation that might otherwise cause anxiety.
• Finding peace in the knowledge that we are part of nature and only here for a minute.
• How you begin to think differently about the world once you become a parent.
• Man One on giving up his passion to spend more time with and coach his kids in sports.
• Why it was so hard to stop playing soccer and recommitting to becoming more active.
• Sourdough’s swings at guessing what fitness-related object Man One got for the studio.
• How long a “morbidly obese” individual can expect to last during an elliptical workout. 
• Man One got a yoga mat, and after the fourth guess, Sourdough got it!
• When you’re in a tough spot, ask yourself: What would Sourdough and Man One do?
• Advice for those starting on the yoga mat – build your endurance for laying down. 
• Launching the 2020 Not Real Art Conference and a reminder about our grant.
• The list of conference speakers you can look forward to and a new idea for an event.

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Learn what’s behind Man One’s incredible glow.
• DesignerCon: What went down, highlights, and main takeaways from the event.
• How people received the Not Real Art Gallery at DCon.
• What kept Man One going, keeping the creative juices flowing and t-shirts vs walls.
• Find out how Man One felt when he painted his first legal wall.
• What drives Never Made to make art and what it’s like working for Shepard Fairey.
• Where Never Made got his unbelievable work ethic from and his family’s influence on him.
• How Dan Janssen feels being a role model, what DCon means, and driving a branded RV.
• What motivated Dan to finally come down to DCon and the benefits of going to tradeshows.
• Why Jared Schorr creates his own work, questions he’s asked and how he deals with being a fanboy.
• How Rocom toys use Kickstarter, the importance of meeting audiences, and his experience of DCon.
• The importance of DCon for DKNG Studios and how their work fits into the fine art space.
• DKNG products that catch people’s eye, who buys the goods and what sets them apart.
• Learn more about Alex Pardee’s decision to turn his merch booth into an art gallery.
• How DCon stands out to Alex and how he uses Kickstarter to engage with fans.
• Learn about Dre's studio, his relationship with Never Made, and LA’s role in their work.
• How DCon is different than other shows for Dre.
• Jason Edmiston: First show, the importance of city-specific first eyes and Joker eye sales.
• Find out how many eyes Jason Edmiston has painted in total.
• Draplin’s take on achieving true creative freedom and what being at DCon means to him.

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Looking back on 2019, awards, travel and the achievements for Not Real Art!
• Man One's best trips of last year and the inspiration he is carrying forward.
• The amazing Art Basel event; special exhibits and the Museum of Graffiti!
• The spirit of the Bronx and how Martha Cooper captured its intensity.
• Sourdough's experiences at a rave in Little Haiti next to a Burning Man car.
• The Taped Banana at Art Basel and how many people take the bate on this kind of art.
• The year in review; a very productive period on so many levels for both of us!
• Getting the kids out of the house — a blessing and a curse.
• The miracle and mystery of oat milk and how it is saving Man One's life.
• Man One's daughter's obsession with tattoos and body piercings. 

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Key Points From This Episode:

• The special thing about art and how Kevin and Scott can’t get enough of it.
• How Kevin fell in love with art while immersed in the different subcultures in California.
• The central place of art and passion in Kevin’s self-made multifaceted career.
• How Kevin got into organizing gigs working with bands like Pennywise and The Offspring.
• What defines the word ‘artist’ and how it’s broader than making conventional art.
• Why being able to occupy different worlds is central to Kevin’s career.
• Honesty and hard work are key factors to Kevin’s success.
• More than making millions, Kevin is trying to help artists not have to get a day job.
• A discussion of the actual profit that Kevin would make by organizing a seemingly big event.
• Typical artist profits and exploitations, and the reality that all that glitters isn’t gold.
• The central role that surfing and boxing have in Kevin’s mental health and productivity.
• Being a surfer was key to the connections Kevin made in the early days of his career.
• How Kevin nearly lost his ear in a horrific surfing accident crashing into a novice longboarder.
• What Kevin’s dad taught him and did to become his biggest life inspiration.
• How Scott and Kevin’s natures saved them from partying hard but not ruining their lives.
• The details of a binge drinking session with Scott’s friends and Man One in Chicago.
• A discussion about Kevin’s two new graffiti documentaries.
• Kevin’s perspectives about profit and relevance in his new documentaries.
• What stopped Scott making an art film about Kevin Feldman’s Boeing 747 at Burning Man.
• Scott’s take on Burning Man’s ephemerality, surreality, and communal spirit.
• Why Kevin hasn’t been to Burning Man yet but might go still.
• A blow-by-blow account of a crazy art experience Scott had involving drones at Burning Man.
• What makes Amigo The Devil the best songwriter Kevin has found in decades.

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Key Points From This Episode:

• How Karen won the Not Real Art grant at the conference recently!
• Moving to LA and then San Diego after that and comparing the experiences.
• The influence of a more natural environment in San Diego on Karen's work.
• The 'Trumpocalypse' Billboard that Karen did in 2017 and its aftermath.
• Karen's creative process and her practices around deadlines and goals.
• Tips for applying for grants and Karen's success rates in this regard.
• Karen's lifelong experiences of being dubbed 'not real art'.
• Working with Shepard Fairey and other amazing prominent street artists.
• Some information on Karen's latest, female-focussed work.
• The journey towards activism and the important steps in this process.
• Karen's relationship with her parents and their feelings around her art career.
• Edward Bernays' work and the model for propaganda and public relations.
• The artistic need for support, community and infrastructure.

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Key Points From This Episode: 

• Nina's experience firing a client after early problems that were unsolvable.
• One of the most exciting projects that Nina has been working on recently.
• The work that Nina did on Scott's own home and the fun she had on the project.
• Distinguishing between interior design and interior architecture.
• Bringing both spheres of the brain into play with interior design.
• Nina's design language and how she currently focusses on the client first.
• A sense of matching with clients and being selective of clients and jobs.
• The importance of play and bringing emotion into whatever is being created.
• Color and surface materials; how Nina works from these two fundamental points.
• The influence of public art and beauty on societal mindsets.
• Nina's career as a teacher and her experiences in the classroom.
• Feng Shui and the rules of good energy in any space.
• Japanese practices around school kids and tidying and cleaning spaces.
• Homogeneity and style coherence in neighborhoods.
• The advice Nina would give a younger version of herself!
• Listening to inner intuition and our internal dialogue's clear messages.
• Spec-work in Nina's field; walkthroughs and communication early on.
• Nina's use of apps and new technologies in her design work and portfolio. 

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Key Points From This Episode:

• A little bit about Sugar Press Art, what they do and their three-year history!
• Some of Anne's early work in the publishing and art world.
• The holistic and collaborative approach that Sugar Press has adopted.
• Artists' responsibility to work on the marketing side of their career.
• Legal concerns and the frequency of uncredited use of artworks by big brands.
• Exposure bucks and how brands exploit artists to work for free.
• The price of copyrighting and cataloging pieces correctly.
• Some of the artists that Sugar Press is currently working with.
• The rise of legal psychedelics and how this impacts art openings.
• Sugar Press' event called KAABOO and some of the highlights from the exhibition.
• The constant instability of art prices and investing in expensive pieces.
• Big conglomerates that are buying up small independent galleries in New York.
• The project that Anne and Sourdough worked on together recently.
• Anne's concerns about showing art out of commission-based spaces. 

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Milton's lifelong mission with the artworks that were stolen by the Nazi's in World War II.
• How Milton learned to play a shofar for a very special occasion!
• Milton's early interest in writing and art from his school days.
• Perspectives on objectivity and the requirement to serve readers.
• Questions of authenticity and a crazy story about a Picasso knock-off!
• Demystifying art and creativity and leveling art for world everyone's benefit.
• The trends that come and go in the art world; today's gold might turn to dust.
• Critics do not make or break careers; time reveals all greatness.
• An unusual art collector who paired Van Gogh with Frank Sinatra.
• Art as a means to gaining a fuller enjoyment of life than would be otherwise possible.
• Milton's thoughts and reflection on the art world at present.
• A few special dinner stories from over the years from Milton!
• Milton's memories of Alfred Hitchcock on the set of The Wrong Man.
• The beginnings of Milton's work at ARTnews and the legacy he has created.
• Milton's own collection and his passion for great photography.
• Secrets to a long and healthy life from a 91 year old!
• Advice to young artists around the struggle and difficulty of finding success.

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Key Points From This Episode:

• The history behind the Sourdough alias!
• Work in the trenches of preparing for the upcoming DesignerCon.
• Moving the event from Pasadena to the new venue in Anaheim.
• The things that Ben is most excited about this time around.
• VIP tickets, big toy companies and the bigger and better DesignerCon.
• Bringing back vital and almost forgotten galleries from L.A.'s history.
• The number of things to see at the show and taking it all in, over time.
• Ben's recommendation to first time vendors and artists.
• The wonderful opportunity to meet artists in the flesh.
• Some of the success stories of motivation and inspiration that come out of the event.
• A big thanks to the amazing sponsors of this year's DesignerCon.
• The extra special art show that is happening exclusively at the event.
• Looking forward to Ben's appearance at the Not Real Art Conference next year!
• The effect of parenthood on art collection and appreciation. 

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Thoughts on drinking wine while podcasting and Karen's show, Drunken Church Ladies.
• Settling into the podcasting process and Karen's unique segmented structure.
• Breaking out of religious traditions and the lack of spaces to explore spirituality.
• Karen’s mission to redefine God and to reconstruct religious narratives.
• How JuVee Productions helped Karen to find her own voice as a queer person of color.
• Working with Viola Davis and her role at JuVee Productions.
• Learning faith in LA's worst economic period!
• Being introduced to a new way of faith at Bodhi and the essence of what they believe.
• Realizing that she needed to get rid of internal biases to get into the entertainment industry.
• Creating stories that are like both mirrors and windows.
• More about Karen's producer role and how they help artists to develop and refine their ideas.
• Being sent hundreds of scripts and the criteria for them to warrant a second look.
• Recording all new ideas, her creative process and why Karen believes in rigorous outlining.
• Mormons, memberships and, moonshine in dry counties.
• Diversity and unexpected friendships as some of the best things about spiritual centers.
• Thanksgiving at Viola’s house and the incredible authenticity she demonstrated.
• Steering clear of works that perpetuate stereotypes and the kind of narratives to avoid.
• The massive progress there has been made in terms of LGBTQ rights.
• Views on the creation of an inclusive country and letting go of what no longer serves us.
• The importance of patience in the re-birth of the US and why we need antagonists.
• Climate change, capitalism and the impact that a single person can have.
• The diverse mentalities and philosophies in the US and the need for new paradigms.

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Pop-up museums and the exciting prospect of the new Sneakertopia initiative.
• Man One's work for the event and what he will be taking part in.
• The brief that they gave Man One and the new territory he will be covering.
• The size of the sneaker industry and how much it has grown in the last decades.
• Excessive collecting, hoarding and the right amount of sneakers to purchase.
• How Man One got into hip hop culture through breakdancing.
• Fashion first, utility and pragmatism second! The fusion of form and function.
• The focus at the Sneakertopia exhibit and the experience they are trying to create.
• Some recent documentaries that focus on hip hop fashion and sneakers.
• The monumental event that was RUN DMC's My Adidas!
• The sneaker cleaning and maintenance industry; stores, products, and services.
• The low-down on tickets, dates and running times for the Sneakertopia event! 

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Moving around and getting down to some good work out of the big cities.
• Appreciating road trips and some of the beautiful highways around the country.
• The art scene in Cleveland and its connection to other surrounding areas.
• Dangers around the intelligentsia telling young artists what they should be doing.
• Michael's early experiences of open studio art in New York City.
• A little bit about Michael's parents and his family history.
• Starting acting class and getting out on stage at 12 years old.
• Why Michael considers himself a painter before all else.
• The central role of movement in performance and acting roles.
• Serious schools and building from the basics and foundational skills.
• Simplicity, tools, artistic freedom and why Michael is so prolific!
• The human element, history and representing real life and emotion through art.
• Michael's hopes for teaching and educating in the future!
• Combatting the problems we face with creativity and inventiveness.
• The array of jobs that any artist needs to have in order to survive.
• The meaningful work and experience that Michael is having on the set of Mayans M.C.
• Allowing the different mediums of expression to lead at the appropriate times. 

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Key Points From This Episode:

• The week that our guests just spent together prepping, painting and collaborating.
• How the project came together, the trip that Aelias made and starting the mural.
• Creating momentum and energy moving forward with work right now.
• Improvising, freestyling and working off each other's vibes. 
• Materials and paints that the artists used for this project. 
• Prepping, recon missions and the work that precedes the actual painting. 
• Aelias' education and the route he took during and after school.
• &SÜPA's concurrent tennis career and how he earns off teaching on the side. 
• Devona's branding work and making a career out of her art.  
• Working smart and combining a strong ethic with clever tactic
• A positive attitude towards adversity and running with the chips as they fall. 
• Problem-solving and the constant challenges that face creatives.
• The limiting beliefs that pervade contemporary society around creativity.
• Fair rates and steering away from undercharging and undervaluing your work. 
• Next year's Not Real Art Conference, new subject matter and looking forward.  
• Showing up and doing the work necessary to network and promote yourself.  
• Health and wellness practices for artists; exercise, support, and mentality. 
• What fine artists can learn from the commercial arts side of the world.
• And much more! 

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For show notes and any links to Katie Love's work and upcoming performances, visit: https://notrealart.com/

In our conversation, we cover some of the recent projects she has been involved in, her family history and early experiences in comedy. We also talk about what it means to be on stage and share your inner world with the public, how humor can heal and the value of pushing sensitive buttons. Katie has an optimistic and appreciative attitude towards the difficulties that arise in the life of a creative, something that is truly inspiring. We also get into the dogma and selectiveness of the church, family divides and Katie's belief in arts education. For all this and a whole bunch more, tune in with us today! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/comic-katie-love-loses-her-religion/.

Key Points From This Episode:

• The work Katie recently did with TMI Hollywood.
• Katie's own creative journey starting from her part in a cult.
• The bravery of sharing your soul and creativity with the world.
• Katie's first joke and pulling fruit out of her bra on stage.
• The healing of humor and the difficult background of many comedians.
• The culture of over-sensitivity and pushing the buttons of strangers.
• Katie's strategy for dealing with hecklers and why she does not have many.
• Difficulty around family connection and changing religious values.
• The doctrines of the Bible and giving up wot what we do not know.
• The work that Katie has been doing with the Not Real Art grant winners!
• Why our world needs a focus on creative arts from a young age.
• How Katie has managed to amalgamate the different parts of her work.
• And much more!

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For show notes and any links to Michael Fish Herring's work, visit: https://notrealart.com/michael-fish-herring 

We chat about some exciting projects he has been working on recently, early experiences with music growing up and, of course, some interesting insider stories from life on the road. Fish tells us about his creative process, his home studio and how rewarding it is to see his son showing a passion for the arts. We also discuss the technical side of his music, pedal rigs and all the work that goes on behind the scenes. We finish off the discussion considering the more philosophical and social sides of different art-forms and the important part it plays in a functioning society. For this great chat with our friend, be sure to join us on the Not Real Art Podcast. For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/michael-fish-herring/.

Key Points From This Episode:

• Fish's most recent tours and his work with big-name artists.
• The Nickelodeon musical show that Fish has been working on.
• Music in family and finding a job as a musician at an early age.
• Fish's first band called Psychedelic Mushroom!
• Raising children in Los Angeles; the good and the bad parts.
• The art of guitar tech! Some of the great wizards who fulfill this role.
• Pedalboards, complicated rigs and the dangers of complex wiring.
• Fish's creative process, coming up with ideas and jotting them down as memos.
• A really exciting new artist that Fish has been working with recently.
• The music business as it is now; Soundcloud, royalties and access.
• The Berlin street art scene, anonymity and getting paid in the creative game.
• The responsibility fo the individual and their duty to the larger community.
• Art's role in feeding the soul and transforming the world around us.
• And much more!

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For show notes and any links to Miss Art World's work, visit: https://notrealart.com/miss-art-world

From an early age, Katherine was drawn to all things feminine and got into the world of pageants, and together with her miming training, discovered the possibilities of artistic expression using her own body. But Katherine is also a feminist who communicates strong pro-feminist messages through her work, and her Miss Art World brand is the coming together of her love of art, girly things and carrying out the message of female empowerment. We talk about the important role of art education, the responsibility that teachers have in molding and encouraging kids in their artistic endeavors and why it is a problem that many artists lack basic business skills. Katherine is a phenomenal woman and a role model to aspiring artists — another brilliant episode not to be missed! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/miss-art-world/

Key Points From This Episode:

• Katherine’s experience of podcasting and switching from painting to performance art.
• How miming and pageants at a young age prepared her for using her body in creating art.
• The definition of performance art and why, for her, it is the purest form of art.
• What the audience can expect from her upcoming show Sentenced to Death.
• How she got into the world of pageants and being both feminine and a feminist.
• Being diagnosed with an eye disease at age eleven and dealing with her own limitations.
• Learning that adults can be wrong, and the responsibility involved in teaching art.
• The lacking funding for art programs in schools and the organizations fighting for the cause.
• Misconceptions around pursuing art as a career and how kids are discouraged.
• The need for art programs to include teaching basic business principles.
• The importance for artists to believe in and be able to talk about their work.
• Areas that she would like to work on in her own performances.
• Why she challenges herself to consistently show up as Miss Art World at events.
• And much more!

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Key Points from This Episode:

• Introducing Man One’s awesome new website called Portraits by Man One.  
• He and his wife Laura’s upcoming 25th anniversary and a bit about their love story. 
• Being purposeful about providing for his family with his art from the beginning. 
• How his wife has always supported his art and stuck by him through harder tim
• Why he would not want to be married to another artist and how they complement each other. 
• Having clarity in his decision making and not living with regrets and what-ifs. 
• The importance of accepting your spouse for who they are and not trying to change them.  
• Where Sourdough was born and growing up in a racially segregated area.
• More about Sourdough’s dating history and how a long-distance relationship served him well. 
• Getting to a place where he felt comfortable being a dad. 
• How being a parent could change a couple’s perspective on things like religion. 
• Why having a similar religious background helped Man One and Laura. 
• How religion can be restrictive and exclusive and learning to only take the best of it.  

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Portraits by Man One — https://www.portraitsbymanone.com/

Man One — http://www.manone.com/

Man One on Twitter — https://twitter.com/ManOneArt

Scott “Sourdough” Power — https://www.instagram.com/sourdoughpower/

Not Real Art Conference — https://www.notrealartconference.com/

Not Real Art on Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/notrealartofficial/

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Man One's recent trip to Hong Kong and Japan and what he got up to.
• The importance of relationships in business and career development.
• How Man One visited Japan in 1999 to teach graffiti to design students.
• Pay per view golf in Japanese hotels and the strange reason it even exists.
• Trash trucks, respect for the blind and how different cultures approach death.
• The bar that Man One visited in Tokyo and the surprising guest who was there.
• The Japanese art scene, bombing and the maintenance of the city.
• Street art in Hong Kong and the local approach and intention behind it.
• Mile long escalators, Tesla Ubers and a driver with ten phones.
• No matter where you go in the world outside the US, people know that you are American.
• The life-size Gundam site that Man One had always want to visit.
• And much more! 

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Key Points from This Episode:

• The whimsical nature of his artworks and how they inspire curiosity and playfulness.
• Examples of his eclectic pieces, naming them and getting attached to each.
• The Indiana economy and working in the ovens of the steel mill.
• Michael’s many hobbies, including hunting, riding his motorcycle, writing and recording.
• Feeding the soul and the need for artists to develop and maintain a creative outlet.
• Being part of Digital Hair and what performances meant to him emotionally.
• Finding his inspiration in junk yards, old buildings and in weird beat up objects.
• The validation of having one of his artworks praised by Jeff Tweedy.
• The continuum between artists and entertainers and their relationship to originality.
• Why there needs to be greater community in the independent art community.
• Not Real Art as a platform for artists to get their story told.
• Demystifying the money issue, pricing and why artists should not undercharge.
• Advice for people who are starting out on an art form.
• And much more! 

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Key Points from This Episode: 

• Ken’s first Burning Man project and how it led to him and Jon becoming friends and partners.
• How Ken came up with the concept of turning a 747 into a giant art car.
• Building the Charlie the Unicorn car with very little resources and why it was so successful.
• How their 747 project was a team effort for with over 1000 volunteers.
• Burning Man as a great art experiment that engages with the question of what art is.
• The significance of the size of the 747 and why it appealed to the imaginations of people.
• What getting into the plane looks like and the emotional experience visitors go through.
• A true story of how building a pink unicorn saved a guy’s life.
• A few interesting analogies for describing Burning Man to someone who hasn’t been.
• Some of the criticisms against Burning Man; lack of racial diversity and the high cost.
• How Black Rock City started as a joke that got massively out of control.
• Acquiring the plane from a bone yard and how Boeing responded to the project.
• How Ken’s background in airspace and his love for building things culminated in this project.
• The new plans in store for The 747 Project and how it is going to reach millions of people.
• The complicated process of taking apart and reassembling the 747 and moving it 500 miles.
• A hopeful projection of Ken’s next couple of months following the 747 Project.
• When Ken would consider being part of another project of this scope.
• A vision for honoring The 747 Project by making a film documentary about it.
• And much more! 

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Key Points From This Episode:

• What is street photography?
• Privacy, GDPR and the effect on street photography in Germany.
• The links between privacy concerns in Europe and World War II.
• Joshua's hat collection and his favorite bomber jacket.
• DesignerCon, Secret Walls, dad caps and mom jeans.
• Joshua's work at Paramount.
• How Josh got his job at DeviantArt.
• The invention of the modern movie soundtrack.
• Joshua's long and winding road to being a full time art lawyer.
• Why DeviantArt was and is so successful and influential.
• The different worlds of art, exclusivity and cultural exchange 
• How DeviantArt expertly navigated copyright infringement 
• The sale of the DeviantArt and Joshua's hopes for its future
• And much more!

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Key Points From This Episode:

• The TV show Michael is currently working on.
• The current abundance of great TV shows.
• Why Michael loves research and learning about new things.
• Travel, wandering and broadening experiences for ones craft.
• Popularity, quality and how these can exist simultaneously.
• The importance of differing opinions and meaningful disagreements.
• Why Anthony Bourdain and Leonard Cohen were such compelling characters.
• Michael's own creative process and the long winding journey of craft.
• Is it a better time to be a film and television writer than before?
• The love of the journey, working on passion projects and staying excited.
• New Orleans parade lines, dancing and abandoning the ego.
• Letting it all in, curiosity and a connectedness to the world.
• Impactful art and protest in a baffling world.
• The Trojan's horse theory and the benefit of nourishing entertainment.
• And much more! 

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Michael Oates Palmer — https://www.instagram.com/oatespalmer/

Emmy Awards — https://www.emmys.com

Robert Redford — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000602/

Three Days of the Condor — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/three_days_of_the_condor

Condor — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/condor/s01

Lord of the Flies — https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7624.Lord_of_the_Flies

Mr Mercedez — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/mr_mercedes

Silicon Valley — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/silicon_valley

Breaking Bad — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/breaking_bad

Wes Anderson — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0027572/

Aaron Sorkin — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0815070/

The West Wing — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the-west-wing

Picasso — https://www.pablopicasso.org/

Guernica — https://www.pablopicasso.org/guernica.jsp

Allen Toussaint — http://allentoussaint.com/

Betty Harris — https://thevinylfactory.com/news/betty-harris-lost-soul-queen-of-new-orleans-compilation/

Michael's Grandmother's Art —

Anthony Bourdain — https://www.mashed.com/94441/untold-truth-anthony-bourdain/

Kitchen Confidential — https://www.amazon.com/Kitchen-Confidential-Updated-Adventures-Underbelly/dp/0060899220

Leonard Cohen — https://www.leonardcohen.com/

Old Filth Trilogy — https://www.europaeditions.com/book/9781609452285/old-filth-trilogy-boxed-set

Jennifer Egan —http://jenniferegan.com/

A Visit From The Goon Squad — https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7331435-a-visit-from-the-goon-squad

John Steinbeck — https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/1962/steinbeck/biographical/

Travels with Charley — https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5306.Travels_with_Charley

Writers' Guild — https://www.wga.org/

Stripes — https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083131/

Bill Murray — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000195/

Game of Thrones —  https://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones

Broadcast News — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/broadcast_news

Tender Mercies — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/tender_mercies

Sundance — http://www.sundance.org/festivals/sundance-film-festival

Susan Lucci — http://susanlucci.com/

Michael Keaton — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000474/

Birdman — https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2562232/

Warren Zevon — http://www.warrenzevon.com/

Straight Outta Compton — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/straight_outta_compton

Pableaux Johnson — http://pableaux.com/

Molly Ivins — https://mollyivinsfilm.com/

The Big Short — https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1596363/

Get Out — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/get_out

Sullivan's Travels — https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/sullivans_travels

Man One — http://www.manone.com/

Man One on Twitter — https://twitter.com/ManOneArt

Scott “Sourdough” Power — https://www.instagram.com/sourdoughpower/

Not Real Art Conference — https://www.notrealartconference.com/

Not Real Art on Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/notrealartofficial/

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Key Points From This Episode:

• The array of work Cleophus has done over four decades.
• Creation of three dimensional artworks and legacy portraits.
• Influences, early years and finding a path to a career in art
• How he became an award winning producer at Motown Records!
• The digital age, undoing mistakes and using digital tools
• Artists as rebels and non-conformists; going against the grain and breaking the rules.
• A creative family, his upbringing and growing up with dyslexia.
• Parenting and allowing space and structure for kids to grow into their passion.
• How Cleophus came to design the cover for a Ray Charles album.
• Art by design and why Cleophus primarily considers himself a designer.
• Working under an alias; selling art online that did not interfere with his career.
• The Art Master company and how Cleophus ended up parting ways with them.
• Print on demand, Instagram filters and the rise of amateur art.
• Cleophus' hopes for the future, keeping on with the artist mentality he believes in.
• And much more!

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Key Points From This Episode:

• What the band has been up to and the different venues they have been frequenting.
• How Herbie Hancock came to a show of Ric'key's.
• Linking up with Benjamin Wright and Stevie Wonder
• The power of visualization in realizing your dreams 
• How Ric'key started working with Madonna.
• A very exciting announcement from our guests about this fall!
• Following your own sound and ideas
• Why Dessy decided not to get a day job
• A dream that changed everything
• The helpful role of meditation in managing stress
• Ric'key's journey meeting Dessy
• The song that Dessy wrote for her mother
• Musical legacy and the parental influences
• How Dessy started working with Cirque Du Soleil.
• Investing in yourself and getting ready for success.
• Our guests' experience at the recent Not Real Art Conference!
• Dessy's upcoming night in Montreal 
• And much more!

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Today's artist as a combination of entrepreneurship and creativity.
• Devona's thoughts on our recent Not Real Art Conference.
• Water cooler moments for artists and entrepreneurs and the importance of community.
• The collaboration that blossomed out of Devona's time at the conference.
• Devona's schedule and how she fits everything in!
• The ideas of creating fate and being of service to people you want to work with.
• Social skills, hygiene and the art of articulating your work.
• gangSTAR Creative, their mission and what motivates Devona to help other artists.
• Artists that Devona admires and follows on social media.
• Some of Devona's favorite podcasts currently!
• Devona's own art and what inspires her colorful work.
• And much more!

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Key Points From This Episode:

• A reflective overview of Kelly’s parents and growing up in a very religious household.
• Dealing with his mother’s mental illness, dropping out of school and moving out at age 16.
• Being excommunicated from his religious network and the tough lessons he learned.
• How Kelly’s childhood experiences informed his perspective on raising his own kids.
• The importance of building confidence and adaptability into his children.
• The critical role of arts in teaching critical thinking and problem solving.
• Combing liberal arts and science to find solutions for the existential problems of humankind.
• The need for politicians to adopt a human-centered approach to government.
• Recognizing who ‘your people’ are and not wasting time investing in those who are not.
• What the dissolution of the ego entails and how harmony is the foundation of success.
• Unequal distribution of resources and population growth as two major concerns in our collective unconscious.
• Doing work that matters, experiential marketing and engaging the younger generations.
• Red Bull as an example of a company that supports and engages with arts and culture.
• Artists’ role in stimulating conversations around social issues and challenging the status quo.
• The interesting space where art and AI meet and the future of artistic presentation.
• And much more!

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Using Instagram as a platform for documenting his artistic journey and showcasing his craft.
• Why David decided to get into leatherwork and how it all started with a bushcraft knife.
• David’s process when wanting to learn a new skill and the resources he employs.
• How he grew up with curiosity and craft as values that his father modeled and instilled.
• The joy of using hand tools, hand stitching and slowing down the making of each item.
• How to recognize the difference between a hand stitched and machine stitched product.
• More about the specific items he makes and why wallets are especially tricky.
• The challenge of working with leather and keeping it unscathed and clean throughout.
• Transitioning from intense concentration to a meditative state and losing track of time.
• Sourcing and selecting materials and experimenting with different exotic woods.
• How he incurred his first injury while cutting leather!
• Why he would be reluctant to make a business out of his craft.
• And much more! 

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Going from working in law in Washington to writing in LA and how the two fields came together with The West Wing.
• His thought processes around creating conflict and tragedy for the characters in the series.
• The role that tennis played in his career and getting connected with key people.
• How he got into the practice of meditation and into the world of mindfulness.
• The importance of meditating on a regular basis and how it transforms all facets of your life.
• Why meditation is so important for artists who often struggle with negative internal dialogue.
• Accessing the conscious self and being present as the foundation of focus.
• How our values changed with capitalism and the development of the economy.
• Focusing on doing your best in the moment and learning to trust in life.
• The importance of becoming still in order to hear the voice of your intuition.
• The stigma that exists around meditation and why it is for everyone, regardless of religious orientation.
• Why every solution is inside of you and learning to stop blaming external circumstances.
• The different factors that drive human behavior and the role of our environment.
• More about his book and David’s everyday approach to meditation and moderation.
• The role of religion, morality and values and why you have to listen to yourself.
• And much more!

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Encouraging his friends to seek therapy and researching the availability of these services.
• The difficulty that marginalized groups have in finding compatible therapists.
• How Eric’s business addresses this widespread problem and the concept behind the name.
• The demographic they serve and the importance of intersectionality.
• How cost, stigma and lack of cultural competency in the field of mental health lead to inaccessibility.
• The importance of educating religious communities and people about therapy.
• YAVIS and the biases that make it hard for someone of color to access counselling.
• Giving people a diverse choice of therapists and why these providers need to be relatable.
• The process of their product, from logging on to communicating with a therapist.
• Criticism against online therapy and the importance of maintaining the integrity of the experience.
• Suffering from depression and seeking healing for himself and others.
• Being aware of how privacy and pride can hinder a person from seeking mental health care.
• And much more! 

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Where the Sourdough moniker comes from.
• The work Kristin and Scott did together from 2004 to 2013.
• Brand strategizing with musicians and Kristin's eclectic career.
• The long and hard path to a successful creative life.
• Working with Hamish Anderson.
• Finding the right people to partner with
• Kristin's amazing, global team.
• Is it the best time in history to be an artist?
• The intangibility of most of today's music world.
• Transparency, honest communication and real time feedback.
• Kristin's work process and the flow of her company.
• Musical prodigies, hard work and the balance between practice and talent.
• Networking, self-promotion and explaining your craft.
• Building a strong peer-group and support structure.
• And much more! 

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Key Points From This Episode:

• Comparing the climate of LA to the east coast.
• Mother nature is unpredictable, the universe is big and scary.
• Some ideas for new sci-fi books and tv shows.
• Stand-up comedy before you die.
• The league of slappers and rules to the world's greatest sport.
• How to laugh more in this world.
• The one time Man One's dad got drunk.
• Fake IDs and getting drunk in front of your family.
• The new 'real ID's' that are coming into use soon.
• When America got sucker-punched in 2001.
• Guns, guns and more guns.
• And much more!

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Dave Chappelle — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0152638/

Will Smith — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000226/

Vice — https://www.vice.com

Jorge Gutierrez Episode — https://notrealart.com/new-blog/2019/3/10/emmy-award-winning-artist-jorge-gutierrez

Robin Williams — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000245/

Man One — http://www.manone.com/

Man One on Twitter — https://twitter.com/ManOneArt

Scott “Sourdough” Power — https://www.instagram.com/sourdoughpower/

Not Real Art Conference — https://www.notrealartconference.com/

Not Real Art on Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/notrealartofficial/

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 Key Points From This Episode:

• New mics in the studio!
• Jeff Tremaine of Jackass, Mötley Crüe and The Dirt.
• First cameras and photography practices these days.
• Racking film and developing photos of illegal activities.
• Making a living from stealing cologne.
• Favorite sex positions and imagining your own conception.
• The overlap between metal and hip-hop fashion.
• Music tastes growing up and coverage on TV.
• Discovering artists through hip hop samples.
• The art form of sampling and mainstream appreciation.
• Families that twerk together stay together!
• Staying relevant, in-the-know and the newest music on Soundcloud.
• Hip-hop we loved and hated over the years.
• Art's relationship to the time and zeitgeist.
• The resurgence of vinyl, personal soundtracks and living in a bubble.
• And much more!

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Michael Jackson — https://www.michaeljackson.com

Joe Rogan — https://www.joerogan.com

Howard Stern — https://www.howardstern.com

KCRW — https://www.kcrw.com

Patreon — https://www.patreon.com

Jeff Tremaine — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0871860/

Johnny Knoxville — https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0424216/

Jackass — https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0264263/

Mötley Crüe — https://www.motley.com

The Dirt — https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800325/

Van Halen — http://www.van-halen.com

James Brown — http://www.jamesbrown.com

George Clinton — https://georgeclinton.com

De La Soul — http://www.wearedelasoul.com

The Turtles — http://theturtles.com

Prince — https://www.princeestate.com

Billie Eilish — https://www.billieeilish.com

KXLU — https://kxlu.com

Public Enemy — https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/public-enemy

Man One — http://www.manone.com/

Man One on Twitter — https://twitter.com/ManOneArt

Scott “Sourdough” Power — https://www.instagram.com/sourdoughpower/

Not Real Art Conference — https://www.notrealartconference.com/

Not Real Art on Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/notrealartofficial/

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Key Points From This Episode:

• What Jeff listens to when he’s stuck on the freeway.
• The one album or band that takes Jeff down memory lane.
• Of all the concerts, the one that stands out the most for Jeff.
• The premier of Jeff’s new film, The Dirt.
• How having a creative job satisfies the artist inside of you.
• Importance of always learning and adding tools to your toolbox.
• Jeff’s inspiration behind wanting to do The Dirt
• The story of how Jeff and his wife first met.
• Support that Jeff received from Mötly Crüe to do the movie.
• What was most important when pitching The Dirt to Netflix.
• How Jeff built a team surrounded by people that he trusts.
• Why the first pitch of Jackass the series was a complete failure.
• The hardest production campaign Jeff has done.
• Fun fact: Jeff directed the safety video for American Airlines.
• Jeff’s favorite way to unwind and shut off from work. 

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On this episode we chat with Art Director Javier Reyna and writer Richard Laskowski who recently released their film, Regionrat. We talk about where they are from, where they went to school and then get into how the two of them got connected. Richard shares about the circumstances surrounding writing the book, how his writing process never presupposes a specific end result and about mimicking the voices of others before settling into his own. Their film is set in Gary, Indiana, and making the film for them was about depicting the lives of teenagers in the region whose parents are often absent and unaware of the implications of not providing guidance in these crucial adolescent years. What also emerges from our conversation is that movie making is not always glamourous. They faced immense challenges in producing a film on a tight budget and had obstacles with funding and people who never came through on their promises. They share about their prior hopes of making the book into a series, their pilot episode and the many years it took for them to finally get the film out. They appeal strongly to others for their support, admitting their absolute dependence on people to buy the film. Join us today for much more from these two talented artists! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/the-making-of-regionrat-with-filmmakers-javier-reyna-rich-laskowski/

Key Points From This Episode:

• How Javier and Richard started working together.
• The reasons why Javier was drawn to Richard’s book.
• Richard’s writing process and mimicking others’
• Why not being as educated can be a major advantage in writing.
• How Javier got into filmmaking and the films that inspired him in his younger days.
• Navigating and breaking through the negative connotations attached to being an artist.
• Richard on writing for fun and never having a specific end goal or purpose in mind.
• The long process of trying to get Regionrat
• Why making the movie was such an intense experience.
• The various challenges they faced in making the movie on a limited budget.
• More about the casting process and how well the actors performed.
• The prejudice that used to exist around people from North-West Indiana.
• What Javier and Richard want people to know about their project.
• The lack of parent involvement and guidance in teenagers’ lives as a theme in the film.
• Their plans of making the book into a series rather than into a feature film.
• Why they are absolutely dependent on people to buy the movie.
• Connor Williams’s great work ethic and commitment.

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Key Points From This Episode:

• What to expect from the upcoming Not Real Art Conference.
• Where Sourdough’s name comes from.
• The importance of putting your ego aside in your creative work.
• Synthesizing and distilling colleagues’ commentary on his writing.
• Why there’s no cheat sheet to writing.
• How he broke out of the boxes in the industry.
• The problem with art schools not always offering integrated classes.
• Why specializing is not necessarily the best option.
• The problem with many artists.
• Competing by outworking.
• The fall of 2D and the rise of CG animation.
• How schooling is no guarantee for work.
• The challenges of being a Latino immigrant.
• More about his father’s influence in his life.
• The role of family.
• Why Generation X is very pragmatic.
• Learning form failure and hard work.
• Focusing on the process, not the result.
• Jorge’s first solo art show.
• And much more!

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JonMarc studied art at the Minneapolis College of Art and Design where he was drawn to the study of symbols and what they mean. Today he is the owner of MARKET Studio, an exhibition and performance space that focuses on immersive installations, performances, and literary events. Our second guest, Ando Pndlian, is the founder of the Search + ResQ Gallery, which is a multi-disciplinary design studio based in Los Angeles. They implement process driven design with a clear understanding of goals to support creative solutions for meaningful design. Inside this episode we dive into the experience of FLUTTER, an immersive installation that empowers participants to interact and make sense of the linguistic fabric that is all-around us. We also unpack how language and letters can be broken down in an abstract manner, and how to use art as a form of communication across languages and cultural barriers. For an inspiring conversation about our mutual love and passion for art and creativity, be sure to listen in! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/exclusive-story-flutter-by-artists-jonmarc-edward-ando-pndlian/

Key Points From This Episode:

• Highlights and goals for the new year.
• How JonMarc and Ando first met.
• Experiencing the abstract meaning of letters.
• The journey of putting together the Flutter project.
• What’s next for Flutter: taking it out of the gallery context.
• The Five principles of looking at letters abstractly.
• Finding your expression of art through different forms.
• How language and diversity impacts the art community.
• Why your smile can open doors across language barriers.
• Concept that increased opportunity means increased competition.
• Understanding why architecture is an old man’s profession.
• Giving a voice to the unheard: bringing awareness into social issues. 

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Today on Not Real Art we are joined by our friend, Scott Zimbler, founder of the Home Brew Agency here in LA. Scott works with some of the most creative people in the film industry and has designed digital advertising content for blockbusters such as The Lego Movie and Fantastic Beasts. We have a conversation about his employment history, including his time at Electronic Arts and Paramount Pictures, and we discuss how the design landscape has changed over the last few years. Scott tells us about being one of the early advocates of the Internet in the 90s, navigating the power struggle between game designers and marketers and why he believes marketing is in his DNA. In talking about his company, Scott reveals a profound commitment to art and authenticity and establishing a healthy home-work balance for his employees. He shares about the importance of trust, instituting sabbatical programs and building into the career development of his staff members. Tune in today to find out more about Scott and his industry-leading business! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/home-brew-digital-agency-founder-scott-zimbler-co-hosts-nra-podcast/

Key Points From This Episode: 

• Why Scott decided to start his own company
• His frustrations with working for advertising agencies
• What makes Home Brew Digital Agency unique
• How he introduced digital marketing to some of the big names
• His big break with Titanic!
• What he did for Electronic Arts
• The necessity of social media marketing
• How CPG companies teach you the value of a strategic approach
• Why marketing is harder than ever
• The importance of having a strong account team
• A few of their runaway success campaigns
• Being an employee-friendly company
• How Scott views his role in the company
• Who their biggest competitors are
• How design has evolved over the last few years
• The importance of investing in employee career development

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 Key Points From This Episode:

• Some background on KG Law and why they chose their particular path.
• Controversial cases and setting precedents in art legalities.
• Working with small time artists and legal affordability.
• Protection against impropriety or preparing to handle a difficult situation.
• Comparing the numbers of registered work or unregistered work.
• Batch registration, saving time and downsides to this impulse.
• Differentiating between copyrighting and trademarking.
• Monetizing intellectual property and the essential steps towards success.
• Enhancing yours and others’ value through pro-action.
• Investing and spending on your personal development and future.
• And much more!

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Key Points From This Episode:

• The Man One Family holiday traditions.
• Understanding how art has become a mainstream trend.
• Recap of the shows we attended at Art Basel Miami.
• Overviewing the art that was within the Art Basal Fair.
• The contrasting feelings between Art Basel, Scope, etc
• Why Wynwood Walls makes us feel generally angry.
• Understanding the concept of “new money art”.
• Pieces that stood out; unique and refreshing.
• Why the ultimate failure of an artist is to stop growing.
• The disconnect between Wynwood and the art fair scene.
• Recognizing all the artist stories that aren’t being told.
• The corporatization of art and what it means for the industry.
• And much more!

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Key Points From This Episode:

• An update of our recent and new projects.
• Criteria for doing pro bono work as an artist.
• How Man One landed an interview on Telemundo.
• The fast-paced life at Art Basel in Miami
• How Sourdough ended up missing his flight.
• Little Havana adventures, smoking cigars, breaking phones 
• The evidently "thick" culture of Miami.
• Staying relevant; is it worth it?
• Seeing a mother twerking on her child.
• How social media has influenced sacred cultural moments.
• Stories about using Uber in Miami.

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This episode is a bit different, because our usual partner in crime and regular cohost, Man One, can’t be here today. Instead, we’ve asked a couple of friends from the entertainment business to come in and co-host the show. So, in this episode we are joined by Eric Winter and Jon Steinberg. Eric is a successful actor, producer, and children’s book author who’s currently playing Officer Bradford on ABC’s The Rookie. Jon is a former actor turned entrepreneur and is the creator and executive producer of The Rookie. Inside this episode we dive into what brings us together as artists, no matter what medium you work in and how we all face similar challenges. We also dive into real life stories of a carjacking, an intense police car ride-along through a gang Christmas party, and new story ideas for The Rookie that encompasses the world of graffiti artists. We end it off by discussing Eric and Jon’s new projects and what it means to live a lifestyle that celebrates the arts and supports creativity. For an incredible conversation, stay tuned to today’s episode! For more information about artists, links and resources from this episode, please visit https://notrealart.com/abcs-the-rookie-co-lead-eric-winter-co-hosts-the-not-real-art-podcast/

Key Points From This Episode:

• A little background on Eric and Jon’s careers
• Importance of being creatively passionate about what you do.
• Why we need to remember to see art as a business and marketplace.
• Recognizing that as artists we need to always be prepared work our asses off!
• Jon’s journey, experience, and process towards getting his big break.
• Understanding why it is important to actually sell your art.
• The elevator pitch and quick overview of The Rookie.
• Story of when Sourdough got car-jacked.
• A police ride-along during the evening of a gang Christmas party.
• Learning to separate the shit from the gold in our art.
• Sourdough’s story idea for The Rookie.
• Eric’s journey as a children’s book author.
• What’s next for Jon and Eric in their careers.
• Dynamics and complexities of being a multi-disciplinary artist.
• And much more!

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Key Points From This Episode:

• The upcoming DesignerCon for 2018 in Anaheim, CA
• Some of the events, panels and screenings that will be at the conference this year.
• The intersection of virtual reality and fine art.
• Some of the other events and areas in which Heidi is involved.
• The LA Art Show and what Heidi is organizing this year.
• The Black Panther event that Heidi was involved in in Chicago.
• Racism and the reality of what the elections showed us.
• Media bubbles and the difference between coastal and middle America.
• Thinking back on memories of Chicago and LA before climate change.
• The latest mass shooting in Thousand Oaks.
• USA’s current political climate, the media and the conservative backlash.
• Political art and depictions of Trump.
• Liberal and democratic apathy and being shocked into action.
• And much more!

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Man One — http://www.manone.com/

Scott “Sourdough” Power — https://www.notarealartist.com

Hijinx — https://www.hijinxarts.com/

Hijinx @ Twitter — https://twitter.com/hijinxpr?lang=en

Heidi Johnson on Linkedin — https://www.linkedin.com/in/heidi-johnson-3a38679

Designer Con — https://www.designercon.com/

Comic-Con — https://www.comic-con.org/

Titmouse — https://titmouse.net/

Nancy Baker Cahill — https://nancybakercahill.com/

Nancy Baker Cahill TedTalk — https://nancybakercahill.com/ted-x-talk-september-22-2018

Pro 176 — https://www.artsy.net/artist/pro-176

The LA Art Show — https://www.laartshow.com/

Art Basel — https://www.artbasel.com/

The Price of Everything — http://www.thepriceofeverything.com/

Scooter Braun — http://scooterbraun.com/

Election Night SNL Skit — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGc

Brett Kavanaugh — https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/brett-kavanaugh

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