Well, when I floated the idea of ending the podcast in the previous episode, several listeners suggested the idea of me giving my story as the final episode so I asked my editor Anna if she would interview me and she agreed.

You may disagree once you listen but I’d say there’s two themes to this one. The first is the idea of having respect for the stories that people tell me and how difficult it is to make sure that I do justice to something so personal. It’s shown me what a skill really good quality journalism is.

Second, I think the podcast itself rather neatly sums up the very idea I’ve been wrestling with: what is success? I recently read that Dick Fuld the disgraced head of Lehman Brothers – the bank whose collapse nearly took down the entire global financial system in 2008 – once publicly shredded the tie of the second best trader in the bank, saying essentially that “second place is first loser”. 

This is the key message of the celebrity success industry, so in podcast audience terms I should probably have my entire suit, socks, pants and probably my house shredded. After all, if a podcast can only be deemed a success when it has the highest listener numbers then everyone other than Joe Rogan might as well just pack up and go home. Obviously they don’t, which shows there’s more to it than that and so I talk a fair bit with Anna about how successful or otherwise I think Serendipity Soup has been.

Huge thanks to all of you who’ve listened to the podcast and got in touch to say how much you enjoyed it. I really appreciate your support. Here are the links for this episode:

• Joe Rogan - https://www.joerogan.com/
• Adam Buxton - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-adam-buxton-podcast/id1040481893
• Wolf and Owl - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/wolf-and-owl/id1540826523
• Bill George ‘True North’ - https://www.billgeorge.org/book/true-north

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This month's guest is Andrew Finlay, the owner of Wildview Retreat (https://wildviewretreat.com/), an amazing wellness centre set in the middle of the hills of southern Portugal. He’s a nutritional therapist and has, at various times also been a dive master, environmental consultant and head of environmental protection for the Marshall Islands.

Andrew readily admits that he has a strong need to feel that he’s doing something worthwhile with his life but that following this desire, often without thinking about the consequences, has given him both extreme highs and worrying lows. He’s a very forward-looking person. Someone who feels that life’s too short to put up with situations that don’t make you happy and that if you want to feel good about yourself you should always be ready to move onto the next chapter in your life. As you’d expect I challenge him – hopefully fairly gently! – on that. At one level it makes sense, but when is enough enough? When does making a fresh start tip into giving up because things have got a bit tricky?

I think it’s fair to say that Andrew isn’t into giving up when things get tricky. You don’t buy an abandoned hilltop village in Portugal and turn it into a fully functioning retreat complete with running water and electricity if you quit at the first sign of trouble. But Andrew’s reflections on the cost of being this driven are fascinating.

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A lot of my guests define success in work as finding something that makes you happy. But this month’s guest, Camilla Waterman, added a really useful twist. Success is finding something that makes you happy at the time you’re doing it.

The thing I envy about Camilla is her positive attitude to change. Just because a job makes her happy when she starts, doesn’t mean it will always make her happy. She seems so comfortable recognising when that point has been reached and then simply acting to improve the situation by moving on. In that respect she’s a lot like my guest in episode 2, Nicole Shamier, who was very comfortable recognising that at some point she wouldn’t be the right person for the dream job she was in at the time.

Only two links this month. The first is to the brilliant BBC documentary ‘The Edge’, which is available on BBC Iplayer here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000lhvt/the-edge. The second is a last minute addition as I re-listened to Camilla's episode, which is the Wikipedia entry for the classical Greek legend of Cassandra: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra.

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Who are the champions of your life? The people who are there at just the right time, with just the right support, to supercharge your life and take you to whatever your next level is.

This month my guest on Serendipity Soup is Jo Bradshaw: an outdoor instructor, mountain climbing expedition leader, public speaker and leadership coach. I learned a lot from my conversation with Jo, but I was particularly taken by two things she talks about. The first is the importance of every single person to the successful functioning of the teams she leads. The second is this concept of ‘champions of your life’. Jo mentions several of these people as she talks and I hope you’ve been lucky enough to have had some champions of your life too. Here are links to some of the things we talk about:

• Breaking The Fever S2-04 I Power dynamics in the office - with Laetita Vitaud: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/breaking-the-fever/id1621524371?i=1000565748591
• Bruce Tuckman’s ‘forming–storming–norming–performing’ model of group development: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuckman%27s_stages_of_group_development
• Carol Dweck and the ‘growth’ mindset: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Dweck
• Asthma UK: https://www.asthma.org.uk/
• Anthony Nolan: https://www.anthonynolan.org/
• Place2Be – Improving children’s mental health: https://www.place2be.org.uk/
• The Duke of Edinburgh’s awards: https://www.dofe.org/
• 360 Expeditions: https://www.360-expeditions.com/
• Discover Adventure: https://www.discoveradventure.com/

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Is it too risky to be playful at work? This month I’m talking to Zaid Ansari. I had the pleasure of interviewing Zaid face to face at my house and early on in the recording he says that he’s at the point in his career where he only wants to do stuff that’s fun. But actually that sense of fun and playfulness feels built in to his life so far.

Zaid started off his career as an accountant at an advertising agency in London in the 1990s where he worked hard and played harder. So, a bit of a change of pace then to leave that and work for Crufts, the world-famous dog show.  Zaid then left to work in Pakistan as a go-between for the Asian Development Bank and the Pakistani government before returning to the UK and taking on numerous other roles, including starting his own construction company before winding up in his current position as a lecturer in subjects as varied as accounting, employability skills and becoming a nutritional professional.

So, the usual mix of apparently unrelated eclectic career choices for a Serendipity Soup guest, but as always there’s a golden thread. In Zaid’s case I would suggest it’s his playfulness and his love of interacting with people. When Zaid left after our recording, I watched him walk down the street and felt like my life was much fuller, richer and more joyful for having met him. And that wasn’t just because he’d brought a bottle of wine for me and my wife and some chocolates for our kids. I hope you’ll feel the same way once you’ve heard him tell his story.

Only a couple of links for this episode. Here they are:

• ‘Achieve Your Potential with Positive Psychology’ by Tim Lebon - https://www.waterstones.com/book/9781444190922
• Crufts - https://www.crufts.org.uk/

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What can we learn from extremes? This month I’m talking to Oliver Dudley who has experienced probably the most extreme career I’ve covered to date in terms of its highs and lows. He’s a property developer who lost 95% of his wealth during the 2008 financial crash but has – if you’ll forgive the pun – rebuilt his company from the ground up. He’s an amateur sportsman who rowed across the Atlantic despite a deep-seated terror of cold water. And he’s a motivational speaker who coached the world’s number one croquet player.

As will become clear during the interview, I have no desire to emulate Oliver’s amazing physical feats, but I really want to understand what drives someone to constantly push themselves to try something different: to fail over and over and keep going. Because that’s ultimately what Oliver’s story is about. As he says himself, his is a career “riddled with failure”. His honesty is intense, refreshing and inspiring.

There’s plenty more to Oliver’s story and you can find links to some of the things he and I talk about below:

• ‘Through Hell and High Water’, the documentary covering James Cracknell and Ben Fogle’s Atlantic row in 2006: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through_Hell_and_High_Water
• Unfortunately I haven’t been able to find a link to the Surrey Advertiser article Oliver refers to or the ‘Ocean’s 14’ documentary, but there’s a little bit about his record-breaking row here: https://barnwellprint.co.uk/charity-fundraising/la-mondiale-atlantic-ocean-row/ and here: https://www.worldrecordacademy.com/sports/Fastest_row_across_the_Atlantic_world_record_set_by_La_Mondiale_80124.htm
• Oliver also made the news on another rowing expedition, when he and his teammates broke off their record attempt to help a pilot who had downed his plane in the Irish Sea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhxLrW2xLNI
• Gary Ward “the human horse whisperer”: https://findingcentre.co.uk/
• Reg Bamford: https://worldcroquet.org/reg-bamford/
• ‘Race To Dakar’ by Charley Boorman: https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/charley-boorman/race-to-dakar/9780316731928?gclid=CjwKCAjwsJ6TBhAIEiwAfl4TWMNsEaauxgpmgJY0zgYxeqlr2ZLJ56Gp_CcBoUR_n4w_7XxKkAKz2BoCGNIQAvD_BwE
• Oliver’s company, In5 Group: https://www.in5group.co.uk/

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Is this a make-or-break year for you? The pandemic and – in the UK at least – the huge rise in the cost of living has put a lot of people under severe pressure. It’s also making it tough to run a small business. And that’s where my guest for this special bonus edition of Serendipity Soup, Khrish Preston, finds herself.

I interviewed Khrish in September 2021 after we met at a campsite in Somerset. Don’t know if any of you suddenly discovered the joys of enforced camping holidays during Covid times? Anyway, she is an amazing chef and businesswoman, please do check out her YouTube channel and website in the links below to see some of her delicious recipes and more of what she’s up to. But she started her career as a conservation biologist, tracking wolves, tigers, gorillas and any other creature that made its home in remote and dangerous places. Then she switched to become a civil servant working in London, because why not? Then she switched again, moved to the West of England and set up her own restaurant, just as the pandemic hit.  

There’s plenty more to Khrish’s story and you can find links to some of the things she and I talk about below:

• Khrish’s website: https://www.thealternativeindian.com/
• Khrish’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWkxYfSU2cgtU0gNa0-tStQ
• Wytch Wood Camping where Khrish and I met – well worth a stay! https://www.greenercamping.org/campsites/uk/england/southwest/somerset/crewkerne/105-wytch-wood-camping/
• Rebels At Work: https://www.rebelsatwork.com/
• The lion conservation project: https://thelastlions.org/ 

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This month's guest is Jo Behari. Several years ago, Jo took the plunge, quit her office job and set up the UK’s first all-female home improvement and property maintenance company. From there her career developed into freelance project management, writing her own book on DIY, and television work including presenting a DIY series called ‘Make, Do and Mend’ and her current role on the British TV magazine show ‘Steph’s Packed Lunch’.

I’d originally intended to interview Jo to talk about her pivot from office life to setting up her own company, which seemed brave enough. But – and I think this might be my first and probably my last exclusive – as we talked, she revealed that she’s decided to reduce some of her TV work so that she can try something completely different: being a therapist. I’m fairly sure my surprise comes across in the recording, but just to emphasise – and with apologies to all you therapists out there – I’m still having real trouble with the concept that someone would prioritise therapy over appearing on TV. But then, I’m not Jo. And as you’ll hear, she makes a very convincing case for following your heart.  

Links to Jo's website, instagram and some of her books are below:

• Jo’s website: https://jobehari.co.uk/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/diyjobehari/?hl=en
• The Girl’s Guide to DIY: https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/jo-behari/girl-s-guide-to-diy/9781847737540?gclid=CjwKCAjwxOCRBhA8EiwA0X8hi0HPKqAMzTEqjIpx3ccTcG6jf2mTjo97p3tO5d5LAn3kyZVrgUQo9hoCypgQAvD_BwE
• Beginner’s Guide to DIY: https://www.waterstones.com/book/beginners-guide-to-diy/alison-winfield-chislett/jo-behari/9781580118286#:~:text=Beginner's%20Guide%20to%20DIY%20will,%2D%2Dwithout%20spending%20a%20fortune.

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This month's guest is Rebecca Alley. Becca works as a project management officer at a large bank now, but she started out her career wanting to be a marine scientist studying dolphins and sea turtles. That didn’t work out, so she ended up in fast food, an industry she maintains builds skills that are generally under-recognised by society as a whole. 

She was diagnosed with autism relatively late in life and she and her colleagues have learned to work with that diagnosis. In fact, Becca says – and I agree with her – that the idea of a one-way street where you have to work around someone’s perceived disability isn’t a good way of looking at the issue. Instead, Becca talks eloquently about how her autism has driven her to improve the way her company works and how that has been recognised by senior management.  

Links to Becca's LinkedIn page and some of the programmes she talks about in the podcast are below:

• Becca on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-alley-csm/
• The Western Wall: https://www.touristisrael.com/western-wall/15946/
• Brithright Israel: https://www.birthrightisrael.com/
• Linking North Carolina with Innovative Talent (LiNC-IT): https://linc-it.org/
• Autism Society of North Carolina: https://www.autismsociety-nc.org/
• TEACCH Autism Program: https://teacch.com/

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This month's guest is Chris Grimes. Chris talks eloquently about what it means to be a motivational comedian; the phrase coined by a friend to try to describe what on earth it is that Chris spends all day doing. It means he’s an actor, a teacher, a trainer, a comedy improviser and a coach.  

He and I first met on a training course, where he was role playing a person I was having trouble dealing with at work. Over lunch we hit it off and before I knew it I’d volunteered to help him make a short comedy film.  We cover a lot of ground, but the main things I took away from my time chatting with Chris were his positive ‘can do’ mentality – or ‘yes, and’ mentality as it’s known in the comedy improvisation world he inhabits – and his sense of being calm, self-aware and confident without being arrogant. I hope you find the same.  

Links to all the many interesting things Chris mentions in the episode are below in case you’d like to pursue them further.

• Chris's website: https://www.chrisgrimes.uk/
• Scroll down to Chris’s newsfeed and on the second row you’ll find the comedy short we worked on. It’s called ‘Knock Knock’.
• Chris's improv comedy show: https://instantwit.co.uk/
• Second Curve: https://secondcurve.uk/
• The book, 'The Second Curve: Thoughts on Reinventing Society' by Charles Handy: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/23346846-the-second-curve
• Adam Grant: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adammgrant/
• Dave Cornthwaite and 'Say Yes More': https://davecornthwaite.com/sayyesmore
• Chris's podcast, 'The Good Listening To https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-good-listening-to-the-story-behind-your-story-show/id1535342326
• Pixar's film 'Soul': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_(2020_film)
• 'Freddie Flintoff: Hidden Side Of Sport'. Sadly not available on iPlayer though. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b019gbpk
• The Daily Stoic: https://dailystoic.com/
• Steve Jobs' 2005 Stanford Commencement Address: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF8uR6Z6KLc
• The ‘dolphin model’: https://thecodecleaner.medium.com/something-on-the-dolphin-model-f141e9c4e56b

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A lot of our conversation revolves around ‘forks in the road’. The times when, because of personal or work circumstances, Allan has found himself having to choose between very different paths towards his future.  But Allan is also very open about his recent diagnosis of dyslexia and how that undiagnosed condition has shaped his life and career to date. 

Interestingly, despite the difficulties Allan has faced, what his experience shows is something I’ve noticed with a lot of people – including myself – who have a condition that needs managing. Take the strategies they employ out of context and they bear a striking resemblance to the good practice that many coaches recommend to anyone who wants to improve their life or the way they work. If you're interested in any of the things Allan and I talk about then hopefully the links below will help:

• Dyslexia - NHS
• British Dyslexia Association
• International Dyslexia Association
• American Dyslexia Association
• Professor Eric Beinhocker | Oxford Martin School
• Tony Buzan | Inventor of Mind Mapping
• Santa Fe Institute
• FutureLearn: Online Courses and Degrees from Top Universities
• For Women in Economics, the Hostility Is Out in the Open - The New York Times

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Kate, like all my guests, is brutally honest about what it takes out of you as a person to achieve the goals you have set for yourself. That there’s a cost to success as well as a cost of failure and that sometimes it’s not clear what the boundaries between those two things actually are.

If you're interested in any of the things Kate and I touch on in our discussion then hopefully the links below will help:

• HM bamboo - Hillyer McKeown
• Eddie Stobart Logistics
• ‎Ladder Down: Meet Irene Afful on Apple Podcasts
• Ladder Climbing in High Heels: A professional woman's guide to climbing the career ladder
• ‎How To Fail With Elizabeth Day on Apple Podcasts
• ‎Griefcast: Alan Davies on Apple Podcasts
• Hoʻoponopono - Wikipedia

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Challenging Amazon report

The Trussell Trust

Metabunk

Goliath: The 100-Year war between monopoly power and democracy By Matt Stoller

Why We Sleep By Matthew Walker

Extreme Economies By Richard Davies

The Official History of Britain By Boris Starling

Wilding By Isabella Tree

Exposure By Robert Bilott

Winners Take All By Anand Giridharadas

Rebels at Work By Carmen Medina

Escaping the Rabbit Hole By Mick West

Ordinary Men By Christopher R. Browning

How To Read Water By Tristan Gooley

Trans By Helen Joyce

Material Girls by Kathleen Stock

Dirt to Soil By Gabe Brown

Rotherweird By Andrew Caldecott

Project Hail Mary By Andy Weir

City By Clifford D. Simak

Cloud Atlas By David Mitchell

Royal Flash By George MacDonald Fraser

The First Fifteen Lives of Harry August By Claire North

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• Croydon - Wikipedia
• Silverback Publishing
• Retro Ford Magazine
• Shindig! magazine: Latest Issue | Silverback Publishing
• Blocks magazine
• SGB Outdoor
• SGB Sports

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Julian has done amazing things in his life and so I’ve put some links below in case you want to follow up on any of them. He’s also spent a lot of time coming to terms with a number of mental health conditions so if you want to find out more, or access support, I’ve included some links on that too. I don’t work in the mental health field so these are just a starting point, but it will hopefully be useful if this interview prompts any questions in your mind. The sources of support reflect the fact that I’m UK-based.

• Julian Watkins | LinkedIn
• The Environment Agency (the environmental regulator for England)
• The Ocean Youth Trust
• The Tall Ships Youth Trust
• The Liberal Democrats at the 2015 election: Nick Clegg resigns after Lib Dem losses - BBC News
• Bullying in school: National Bullying Helpline; YoungMinds; Helping Children Deal with Bullying & Cyberbullying | NSPCC
• Eating disorders: Beat (beateatingdisorders.org.uk); How to help someone with an eating disorder - NHS
• ME (Myalgic Encephalomyelitis): The ME Association; M.E. Support; Action for ME
• Depression: About depression | Mind, the mental health charity; Get help from a mental health charity - NHS; Depression (supportline.org.uk)

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Anuj is a fascinating guy and, in case you want to follow up on some of the topics he mentions, or you'd like to find out more about what he's doing, I've put some links in below. I'd especially recommend listening to his brilliant podcast, 'The Cannabis Conversation'. Even if it's not your industry, you'll easily find something in his back catalogue of episodes that will intrigue you.

• Anuj Desai | LinkedIn
• Anuj's podcast: The Cannabis Conversation: Overview | LinkedIn
• Carol Dweck and the Growth Mindset: Carol Dweck | Speaker | TED
• Dan Pink on autonomy, mastery and purpose as motivators: Dan Pink | Speaker | TED
• Anuj's cannabis consulting business: Canverse - Strategy and venture partner for the cannabis industry
• Anuj's legal service business: Smarter legal. Faster growth. Your flexible business lawyer - LegalEdge
• Am I becoming one long advert for Anuj's bewildering array of ventures?

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But how did Anna get to where she is now? Why did she take a four year aerospace engineering degree? And just how should you react when your workmates weld shut the ends of your steel-toed boots so you can't wear them any more? As ever, my intrepid guest is on hand to help with these and many more career related questions.

In case there's anything you hear that you'd like to follow up on, I've done my best to add links to the variety of topics that Anna and I discuss below:

• 10,000 hours from Malcolm Gladwell's fantastic book 'Outliers'.
• The London Academy of Music and Dramatic Arts (LAMDA)
• WoMansion
• Porto Photography Festival
• The Open University

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What would make you leave everyone you know to work on a tiny island a five-day boat journey from the nearest port?

How difficult is it when what you want from your career doesn’t fit into a neat box?

What it’s like when your boss can call the local hospital to find out why you didn’t come into work? 

The answers to all these and more are covered by Nicole as she gives a wonderful account of her career to date.

As ever, here are some notes in case there’s anything in this episode you want to dig into a bit more:

• Six degrees of separation - Wikipedia
• The Wealth of Nations: The Economics Classic - A Selected Edition for the Contemporary Reader: Adam Smith
• You might also be interested in Smith’s lesser-known sister book to ‘The Wealth of Nations’ in which he sets out why cold, economic calculations are not the only things that drive society. The Theory of Moral Sentiments: Adam Smith
• For more on the problems with and solutions to narrow, mathematically abstract economics, this is a great starting point: Rethinking Economics
• Nudge: The Final Edition: Richard H. Thaler
• Useful and informative, despite its bias towards free market economics: The Economist - World News, Politics, Economics, Business & Finance
• The Environment Agency
• Thames Estuary 2100
• Paul Tyson’s blog about living on St. Helena: Two Years in the Atlantic
• Nicole’s awesome podcast: An Irish Girl And English Girl Walk Into A Bar
• For more on how different people across the world have experienced the Covid pandemic, I’d really recommend BBC iPlayer - Pandemic 2020, especially episode 2.

Huge thanks to Nicole for her time and tech patience, to Julian Holmes for his awesome cover artwork and to Anna Gunn for her editing super skills.

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This one is with Simon Oliver, Digital Play Discovery Lead at Lego's Creative Play Lab, who talks about the highs and lows of his work in the video games industry, his love of duck-billed platypuses and why 'Jodorowsky's Dune' contains a great message for striving creatives and anyone else who needs to balance vision with practicality.

There is some discussion of depression in the last 10 minutes or so of this podcast, which I thought I should mention just in case that's not what you want to hear about right now. If you've been affected by depression, or any other mental illness, then the MIND website - Home | Mind, the mental health charity - help for mental health problems - is a good source of advice and support as is your local GP.

And finally, here are a few links to some of Simon's many esoteric references:

UK club for adult fans of Lego

Sir Ken Robinson – Do Schools Kill Creativity?

Tomato

Nathan Barley

Ngmoco

Rolando at HandCircus and Wikipedia

Okabu

Jodorowsky’s Dune

Seabeard

Huge thanks to Simon for his time, to Julian Holmes for his awesome cover artwork and to Anna Gunn for her editing super skills.

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