The discussion goes beyond technology to focus on what truly enables success: the right culture, pragmatic processes, and leadership choices that unlock measurable return on investment. Steve and Michael share what has worked for their own teams, how they are supporting employees through change, and how they help clients move from experimentation to impact.

As long-standing strategic partners, they also examine the importance of collaboration. Bringing together complementary expertise and aligned values to deliver better results. The conversation highlights why trusted partnerships matter in complex transformation programmes and how shared accountability and cultural fit can accelerate outcomes for customers.

A practical and insightful conversation for business and technology leaders navigating AI-driven transformation that brings in some personal reflections on career longevity, navigating technological revolutions and managing dinner table discussions on fear of AI!

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The discussion is anchored in insights from their joint research report, Powering productivity: AI and the future of UK work, which explores the evolving workforce and offers clear recommendations for both business and government.

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In this episode, Michael is joined by Euan Blair, founder and CEO of Multiverse, who offers a provocative reality check: AI isn’t coming for your job—but someone with AI skills might. He has made it his mission to democratise technology expertise through apprenticeships for all ages delivering bespoke on the job training that keeps employees highly effective in the roles they do.

Together, they explore how the light and heat currently shining on AI can, and should, be turned into a broader movement to upskill entire workforces. As Michael puts it, business transformation has now become skills transformation. When job roles are being lost, evolved and created, what must organisations do differently to keep their people not just employed, but empowered?

Thoughtful, optimistic and refreshingly pragmatic, this wide‑ranging conversation is essential listening for anyone serious about the future of work and how we prepare people to thrive in the age of AI.

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Sir Clive Woodward knows this very well. Having coached the England Rugby team to success against Australia in the Rugby World Cup in 2003, to winning 29 gold medals as Team GB's Director of Sport at their most successful Olympic Games in London 2012, he has dedicated his career to developing a winning formula backed by behaviours.

Clive’s theory works as well in business as it does in the sporting field, and Michael discusses how we’ve taken it on at Atos. It relies on individual buy-in, team accountability, psychological safety and a behavioural-based mindset shift – from small, repeated habits to big wins. Hear how we’ve taken our playbook and Clive’s theory out on the road to try out with our clients.

If you work or enjoy sport or are simply interested in people, performance and podcasts – you’ll want to listen to this.

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